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Ex-NSA Hacker Is Building an AI To Find Hate and Far-Right Symbols on Twitter and Facebook (vice.com) 509

Motherboard reporter Lorenzo Franceschi-Bicchierai has interviewed Emily Crose, a former NSA hacker, who has built NEMESIS, an AI-powered program that can help spot symbols that have been co-opted by hate groups to signal to each other in plain sight. Crose, who has also moderated Reddit in the past, thought of building NEMESIS after the Charlottesville, Virginia incident last year. From the report: Crose's motivation is to expose white nationalists who use more or less obscure, mundane, or abstract symbols -- or so-called dog whistles -- in their posts, such as the Black Sun and certain Pepe the frog memes. Crose's goal is not only to expose people who use these symbols online but hopefully also push the social media companies to clamp down on hateful rhetoric online. "The real goal is to educate people," Crose told me in a phone call. "And a secondary goal: I'd really like to get the social media platforms to start thinking how they can enforce some decency on their own platforms, a certain level of decorum." [...]

At a glance, the way NEMESIS works is relatively simple. There's an "inference graph," which is a mathematical representation of trained images, classified as Nazi or white supremacist symbols. This inference graph trains the system with machine learning to identify the symbols in the wild, whether they are in pictures or videos. In a way, NEMESIS is dumb, according to Crose, because there are still humans involved, at least at the beginning. NEMESIS needs a human to curate the pictures of the symbols in the inference graph and make sure they are being used in a white supremacist context. For Crose, that's the key to the whole project -- she absolutely does not want NEMESIS to flag users who post Hindu swastikas, for example -- so NEMESIS needs to understand the context. "It takes thousands and thousands of images to get it to work just right," she said.

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Ex-NSA Hacker Is Building an AI To Find Hate and Far-Right Symbols on Twitter and Facebook

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  • Awesome (Score:5, Insightful)

    by 110010001000 ( 697113 ) on Friday January 05, 2018 @05:03PM (#55871277) Homepage Journal
    Nothing can possibly go wrong with this. It has everything: NSA, hacking, white supremacists, reddit, AI. Definitely worth funding.
    • Re:Awesome (Score:4, Funny)

      by Anonymous Coward on Friday January 05, 2018 @05:09PM (#55871325)

      Definitely worth funding.

      Unfortunately for them it is missing the most important factor: Blockchain.

      • Re:Awesome (Score:5, Insightful)

        by cayenne8 ( 626475 ) on Friday January 05, 2018 @05:19PM (#55871425) Homepage Journal
        Hmm....why aren't they building this for extremists on BOTH sides of the aisle?

        There's plenty of hate and violence on the left these days to match those on the far, far right.

        • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

          Comment removed based on user account deletion
          • Exactly. And this is a very large portion of what 1984 was actually about. People focus on the other things, but the thought control was perhaps the most important and relevant part of it.
        • by skam240 ( 789197 )

          Nice.

          "hate and violence" is on the Left but then only on the "far, far right", Way to advocate for political neutrality while being completely non-neutral.

          Extremism is what defines political violence. Me telling you that probably won't change anything though.

    • Re:Awesome (Score:5, Informative)

      by Train0987 ( 1059246 ) on Friday January 05, 2018 @05:15PM (#55871385)

      He's a trans SJW who often writes about the trials of being a female in IT. To this person ANYONE who doesn't celebrate their flavor of crazy is "far-right" and full of "hate".

      • Re:Awesome (Score:5, Insightful)

        by 110010001000 ( 697113 ) on Friday January 05, 2018 @05:17PM (#55871413) Homepage Journal
        But...Nazis. You don't like Nazis do you? If you are against this, you must be a Nazi. Look everyone, a Nazi!
        • Re:Awesome (Score:5, Insightful)

          by Train0987 ( 1059246 ) on Friday January 05, 2018 @05:22PM (#55871453)

          It takes a special kind of guy to cut his penis off and then complain about being treated differently "as a female in IT".

          And then to go on a crusade against "far-right" symbols? There is no greater "far-left" symbol than cutting off your own junk and then demanding everyone else pretend you're a woman.

          This is what feminism is now? Men are even better at being female hackers? Well done feminism.

          • I have no problem with it, but I see people complain about "Nazis" and then they start applying it everything else.
      • Re: (Score:3, Funny)

        by Hal_Porter ( 817932 )

        Him and Bradley "Chelsea" Manning are sure making the case that it's a good thing to hire transsexuals to work in intelligence.

      • Re:Awesome (Score:4, Funny)

        by liquid_schwartz ( 530085 ) on Friday January 05, 2018 @07:08PM (#55872203)

        He's a trans SJW who often writes about the trials of being a female in IT. To this person ANYONE who doesn't celebrate their flavor of crazy is "far-right" and full of "hate".

        So it complains about working in IT - did I read that correctly?

    • Nothing can possibly go wrong with this. It has everything: NSA, hacking, white supremacists, reddit, AI. Definitely worth funding.

      I hope this was sarcasm!

  • Dude, there isn't some sort of secret hate group code. Everyone knows those douches when they talk about "dem liberuls" or "dose imagrunts". They are not even trying to hide, they wear their status proudly.

    • by RightwingNutjob ( 1302813 ) on Friday January 05, 2018 @05:18PM (#55871417)
      It's even better than that. Not only are they not drying to hide, they pop up whereever some offended snowflake deems them appropriate. Can't win an argument on merits? Call the other guy a Nazi and you're golden! I'll demonstrate:

      1. American immigration laws should be enforced.
      2. There is no evidence that police in America apply different standards to white citizens and non-white citizens.
      3. Islamic fundamentalism motivates the violent act committed by many extremists and must be combated and defended against using within the framework of foreign diplomacy, foreign aid, military policy, and immigration policy.
      4. Government benefits should only be provided to the demonstrably infirm or aged citizens and not be made available to able-bodied persons of working age.
      5. Restrictions on the sale, ownership, or possession of firearms punish the law-abiding and do not make any dent in violent crime.

      All of those are either factually true or present an opinion within the mainstream of acceptible American thought. How long will it take for someone to label one or all of them extreme and me an extremist beyond the pale of acceptable civil discourse.
      • While I do agree these claims by themselves are not racist, I did notice a strong correlation between these claims and people who are racist or support racists. Does it mean that everyone with these opinions is racist? No. Does it make sense to mistake them for one? I dont know, for me it is just the same as commenter "Train0987" who used "trans" as a pejorative.

        Ironically enough, i just realized, I admitted the reason to associate these claims with racism is because the person doing the association is a bi

        • by Train0987 ( 1059246 ) on Friday January 05, 2018 @08:12PM (#55872491)

          First of all I didn't use "trans" as a pejorative. I did use "crazy" as one though.

          Since you call me a bigot/racist, exactly which race do you imagine me to be? That I've put you on the spot with that question should indicate that you're already wrong and that you've been caught. The only dog-whistles here are those in your own head that you've been conditioned by others to hear. In other words, you are the bigot - not me.

      • by hey! ( 33014 ) on Friday January 05, 2018 @08:39PM (#55872607) Homepage Journal

        Actually there is abundant data confirming that minorities get different treatment by police than whites. For example epidemiological research says whites are slightly more likely to use weed than blacks, but law enforcement statistics show that blacks are roughly 3x more likely to be arrested for marijuana possession.

        It is also true that police actually shoot roughly twice as many white people per year as blacks, but there are five times as many whites as blacks. This doesn't mean that every time a cop shoots a black man that race is a factor, but statistically it is bound to be a factor in a large number of shootings, although not in the simplistic way favored by many left-wing blogs on the topic -- although that probably happens at least some of the time. Assuming that the police are no better or no worse than society at large they must have enough racist sociopaths to produce at least a few shootings like that per year.

        • by Anonymous Coward on Saturday January 06, 2018 @03:24AM (#55874111)

          As a professional statistician, let me explain one big problem in your attempt to analyze racial shooting statistics:
          Populations.

          You are attempting to count the number of people shot of a given race against the ENTIRE US population for that race. However, that's not the group your sample is being chosen from. Your group is being chosen from amongst those that are interacting with police - if you never see a cop, you are not at risk of being shot.

          The correct population to use is the number of white/black/etc people that interact with police (stopped, ticketed, arrested, anything) and compare that with the sample proportion that is shot/otherwise killed. Anything else is wrong, either due to ignorance or to perpetuate a deliberate falsehood.

      • "1. American immigration laws should be enforced."
        Sure but some common sense compassion is just what's right here.

        "2. There is no evidence that police in America apply different standards to white citizens and non-white citizens."
        How about the first link I found on the subject that even sites its research. https://www.google.com/url?sa=... [google.com]
        So basically, white folks do far less time than black for selling drugs on average. Sure, it's not police exclusive but it is most certainly tied to the same core problem.

      • by mjwx ( 966435 )

        It's even better than that. Not only are they not drying to hide, they pop up whereever some offended snowflake deems them appropriate. Can't win an argument on merits? Call the other guy a Nazi and you're golden! I'll demonstrate:

        1. American immigration laws should be enforced.
        2. There is no evidence that police in America apply different standards to white citizens and non-white citizens.
        3. Islamic fundamentalism motivates the violent act committed by many extremists and must be combated and defended against using within the framework of foreign diplomacy, foreign aid, military policy, and immigration policy.
        4. Government benefits should only be provided to the demonstrably infirm or aged citizens and not be made available to able-bodied persons of working age.
        5. Restrictions on the sale, ownership, or possession of firearms punish the law-abiding and do not make any dent in violent crime.

        All of those are either factually true or present an opinion within the mainstream of acceptible American thought. How long will it take for someone to label one or all of them extreme and me an extremist beyond the pale of acceptable civil discourse.

        Ignoring the fact that 2 and 5 are demonstrably wrong. You are the one trying to change the definition of Nazi, not anyone else.

        The problem you have is that Nazism is a far right wing ideology based on extremist nationalism and institutionalised racism (the difference between a fascist and a Nazi is the fact Nazism has racism baked into it's very foundation). You have trouble reconciling the fact that right wing philosophies can be bad, so you need to change its definition to suit you.

        Further more, you're t

  • by SuperKendall ( 25149 ) on Friday January 05, 2018 @05:09PM (#55871331)

    I give it a day before someone convinces the rainbow flag has been co-opted and is now a symbol of hate.

    • by hey! ( 33014 )

      You can get any result you want out of a machine learning approach to classification. Training the model to give the answers you want isn't cheating, it's how the algorithms are supposed to work.

      • You can get any result you want out of a machine learning approach to classification. Training the model to give the answers you want isn't cheating, it's how the algorithms are supposed to work.

        ... and proof that such algorithms area terrible method for producing unbiased information.

        Of course, that's hardly the intent.

  • And the far left (Score:4, Insightful)

    by mschuyler ( 197441 ) on Friday January 05, 2018 @05:10PM (#55871343) Homepage Journal

    And the far left gets a pass!

    • by Noishkel ( 3464121 ) on Friday January 05, 2018 @05:16PM (#55871391)
      Of course. After all far left academia have been rewriting the definitions of everything for years now. Be it the idea of what is racism to the very concept of gender. All while the news media covers for them by writing puff piece after puff piece proclaiming the virtues of these bat-shit and abjectly false notions.
    • by taustin ( 171655 )

      Maybe he'll open source it, and it can be tuned to any hate speech. Left, right, misogynist, misandrist, racist, even people who hate goats.

      Or maybe it won't work worth a shit, like all the rest of the algorithms that are supposed to flag stuff on social media.

    • To be fair, the far left isn't dumb enough to actually call themselves Nazis.
    • by Shane_Optima ( 4414539 ) on Friday January 05, 2018 @05:46PM (#55871657) Journal
      Indeed. As it happens, I believe that (at least in America) the far right is much, much, much more dangerous than the far left, but that doesn't mean these pathetic hypocritical leftist witch hunts put a smile on my face. I mean, this is so stupid. We KNOW that the American leftists are not sufficiency energized by this tactic, hence why there was dip in the turnout of Ds last year, leading to Hillary's loss. Over a year later, and it's nothing but more self-sabotage, more of the War on Humor, etc.

      And yeah, the hypocrisy does really hurt. It bolsters the right wing media and disillusions the pro-rational, pro-truth left. (That's not even the same as "moderate". I don't believe in moderation for moderation's sake, just sanity for sanity's sake and truth for truth's sake.)

      Show of hands: are there any leftists in the audience who don't know, or still refuse to admit, that Black Lives Matter was/is a centrally planned movement run by a organization that openly quotes and openly idolizes the fugitive "domestic terrorist" and cop killer, Assata Shakur? Because it was, and they do. For a very long time, they had an attributed quote from her at the top of their website and you could find dozens of videos of BLM protesters chanting that same quote in unison at their rallies and protests. And the other major populist leftist movement of the past few years, that Women's March thing? Also centrally organized, and they openly celebrated Assata Shakur's birthday.

      The people on the left don't know this or want to hear any of this; they don't want think about it. But guess what? The right wing knows about it and they are using it (plus the War on Humor, plus a few of the actual lies printed by the "MSM", plus a thousand other groanworthy missteps by leftists who foolishly think they can beat the far right at its own game) to win over the hearts and minds of a new generation.

      I have zero fear of the "far left" directly doing massive damage to America; our left-wing politicians are way too moderate-ized (and also too unpopular) for that to ever happen. But these jokers are ruining it for everyone else, all the millions of us who despite what the Republicans stand for right now. They're ruining it for everyone, because they actually think that they can out-stupid and out-demagogue the right wing in America. And you can't; you just CAN'T god damn it.

      A left wing pro-PC / witch hunt mentality led directly to Trump and six months before that, it led directly to Brexit. How many clusterfucks is it going to take for people to wake up and realize that this has been a FAILED strategy and move on?
      • How many clusterfucks is it going to take for people to wake up and realize that this has been a FAILED strategy and move on?

        Based on my experiences? All of them.

        It will take all the clusterfucks.

  • by Anonymous Coward on Friday January 05, 2018 @05:10PM (#55871345)

    What about far-left wing symbols of hate, violence, and oppression?

    Antifa flags, socialist fist, hammer & sickle

    After all, the Communists have killed far more innocents than the Nazis did.

    • by Anonymous Coward on Friday January 05, 2018 @05:22PM (#55871449)
      You got it wrong, communists never killed anyone. The ones you are referring too aren't real communists because of some stupid criteria I made up.
      • aren't real communists

        Exactly this. The "no true Scotsman" argument. Except, we have a new modern version called Venezuela which raised the praises of Bernie Sanders when all was "good". "“These days, the American dream is more apt to be realized in South America, in places such as Venezuela ”"

        Now, that doesn't represent socialism at all, because it has failed, and people are literally starving to death because of the policies of governance that caused people to stop producing because success is punished.

    • Antifa has literally never killed anyone and isn't communist.

    • What about far-left wing symbols of hate, violence, and oppression?

      What about it?

      If you care go do something. Sto whining that someone else is trying to do something about a different bad thing.

  • by Anonymous Coward on Friday January 05, 2018 @05:11PM (#55871347)

    It definitely needs to find a way to filter out ANYTHING that might be Xenophobic because that's always racist.

    Unless it's about Russia.

    Or unless it's about Boycott, Divest & Sanction which is the politically correct way to literally act like 1933-era Hitler but OK on the UC Berkeley campus so not a hate group.

    Or unless it's misgynistic AND xenophobic remarks about Melania Trump because reasons.

    Or unless it's antisemitism directed at Ivanka Trump because similar reasons.

    • Or unless it's about Boycott, Divest & Sanction which is the politically correct way to literally act like 1933-era Hitler but OK on the UC Berkeley campus so not a hate group.

      Literally Hitler started building concentration camps in 1933. If you thing a bunch of noisy students is equivalent to mass genocide then something is very wrong with you.

  • Trans SJW wackjob (Score:5, Interesting)

    by Train0987 ( 1059246 ) on Friday January 05, 2018 @05:13PM (#55871367)

    https://www.self.com/story/tra... [self.com]

    Can't find anything claiming he worked for the NSA, simply Army intelligence (which is anything but intelligent).

  • by mi ( 197448 ) <slashdot-2017q4@virtual-estates.net> on Friday January 05, 2018 @05:13PM (#55871369) Homepage Journal

    Communism is both much deadlier [reason.com] and more [townhall.com] socially-accepted [dailycaller.com] than any other kind of hateful school of thought today.

    Anything "fighting evil" that ignores images of Che Guevara and like symbols is simply partisan b.s.

  • by omnichad ( 1198475 ) on Friday January 05, 2018 @05:14PM (#55871375) Homepage

    Just see who Tay [theverge.com] follows on Twitter.

  • The media throws around the term " AI " a bit too much. They make it sound like we're bringing AI systems online on a daily basis to solve all of our problems.

    I doubt we're anywhere close to a true, sentient AI and won't be in our lifetime.

    Then again, this is the same media who calls everything an " assault rifle " regardless of what the weapon truly is.

    I guess " building an AI " sounds sexier than " Bob is writing code " :D

  • >twitter
    >decorum

    just fuck off already
  • by imperious_rex ( 845595 ) on Friday January 05, 2018 @05:57PM (#55871725)
    The famous statement "I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it" (incorrectly attributed to Voltaire) has always been the best summary of the principle and right of free speech. Given the sad state of civics education in the past three decades, we're seeing the result of this failure to learn this basic idea. When we put "feels" above principle, we get garbage like NEMESIS that ignores the far left crackpots and singles out the far right crackpots. People really need to listen to their elders' take on free speech and democracy and not be a sucker [youtube.com].
    • Updated version:-

      "I disapprove of what you say, but I defend your right to agree with me."

    • The famous statement "I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it" (incorrectly attributed to Voltaire) has always been the best summary of the principle and right of free speech.

      Note how he said "I will dedend the to the death your right to say it".

      Not "I will defend to the death your right to have a company provide a platform to you fror free".

      Nor "I will decfend to the death your right to never have any criticism"

  • "Crose's motivation is to expose white nationalists who use more or less obscure, mundane, or abstract symbols -- or so-called dog whistles -- in their posts, such as the Black Sun and certain Pepe the frog memes. "

    The Black Sun - fine you can call that one - I had to look that one up. Just about anything Pepe the frog is a post meant to troll people like this ex-NSA hacker.

    In order to be a proper victim there has to be a group that's in power and victimizing you, and if one doesn't truly exist, or isn't a

  • The real goal is to educate people

    Whenever a liberal talks about "educating" someone, they're really talking about indoctrinating them.

  • So awesome. Grooming deplorables off the public network will make everything so nice. Should be a big help when hiring as well. Maybe voter registration some day. Yay.

  • Twitter is absolutely flooded with death threats from Muslims.

    Load of "kill all cops" and "kill and white people" tweets.

    Hateful messages against whites is commonplace.

    That left-wing stuff all seems to be just fine with twitter.

    Even the most moderate conservatives get censored, suspended, or have the accounts pulled all the time.

  • I wonder if they will open source their work, so that other like-minded individuals can use their program to ferret out communists, or Sufis, or Jews, or whoever else they want to round up.

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