China Orders Internet Comments Linked To Real Identities (engadget.com) 251
A (truly) anonymous Slashdot reader quotes Engadget:
China isn't slowing down in its bid to silence online political opposition. As of October 1st, the country will require that tech firms hold on to records of the real identities of everyone posting comments on internet message boards. This is to discourage "false rumors, filthy language and illegal messages," according to the government. Of course, it's that last part that Chinese officials are really interested in -- they know you're less likely to challenge the political order if investigators can easily track you down.
The timing of this identity requirement, the VPN restriction and other crackdowns (such as an investigation into internet giants for allowing material that "harms the social order") isn't coincidental. China's ruling party has its next national congress later in 2017, and it has a habit of ramping up censorship around these gatherings to discourage criticism of party policies.
The timing of this identity requirement, the VPN restriction and other crackdowns (such as an investigation into internet giants for allowing material that "harms the social order") isn't coincidental. China's ruling party has its next national congress later in 2017, and it has a habit of ramping up censorship around these gatherings to discourage criticism of party policies.
Fuck China. (Score:4, Informative)
Fuck China.
Re:Fuck China. (Score:4, Insightful)
Or rather, fuck the Chinese government. I'm sure the people are swell.
Re:Fuck China. (Score:4, Funny)
You've never been to China, have you?
Re:Fuck China. (Score:5, Insightful)
Can't really second that. US people are generally woefully uninformed for a people with a free press and free access to information, but they're also generally nice. I only found them a bit patronizing, at least the ones that don't really know there is a world outside of their country.
In other words, there is no tactful way to inform your host that he needn't explain how a light switch works...
US & globalism (Score:2)
That's also b'cos the US has never had any global ambitions: everything anyone wants - from the Grand Canyon to Death Valley to the Colorado Rockies to the Alaskan Slopes to the Malibu Beaches to the Florida Everglades to the Appalachian Mountains - they're all contained within the US. And then there's Vegas, if one wants any of the exotic wonders, such as the Eiffel. It's a part of the reason that the US was never a colonial power (except for a few islands that they seized after the Spanish-American War)
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That's also b'cos the US has never had any global ambitions
Eh... you SURE about that?
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That's why all US aircraft carriers are docked and all its soldiers at home with their wives.
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Precisely! And there is a legitimate argument for not assuming the role of world police, which could be debated. But as you point out, not only is the US happy w/ its current borders, it has been resisting Puerto Rico becoming a state, regardless of how they vote. Can one imagine Egypt not annexing Cyrenaica if Cyrenaica were to vote to become a part of Egypt?
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Really? When are you going to get rid of the Saudis, Israel and North Korea? Are you going to finish with IS first or like usual just start a new war and let everyone else deal with the fallout when you notice there's nothing left to be gained and distributed to your corporations?
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Note that the USA had Marines stationed in China from 1927 up till WW2....
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there are so many of them that they are statistically worthless. An individual's accomplishments in a lower population country will statistically have a higher and broader reach and larger impact on society among the people than a country raised as what the US leftists think would be an utopia here, when the population is as high as theirs, and they are taught to think in a collective and to shun individualism and political correctness is a cultural norm generated by the leftist leadership then any accompli
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Actually, it was to provide separate primary stats for magic-users and clerics. Most of the original boxed set was slapped together (the rules sure weren't well-written) without deep thought.
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Or rather, fuck the Chinese government. I'm sure the people are swell.
The rank-and-file average Chinese citizen is probably 'swell', as you say, for various values of the word; chances are they're like any other average person in any other country on the planet: they just want to live their lives, raise their families, and enjoy some degree of happiness day-to-day, and otherwise not be made miserable by their own government. The sad reality for the average Chinese citizen is that things in their country will likely get far worse before they get better, because as the Chinese
Re:Fuck China. (Score:5, Interesting)
Oh sweet summer child, you don't think it'll be everywhere soon? The Wild West is ending, the internet is for govt and big business.
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So, that's what you're going with? Russians did it? The Russians made Hillary lose Pennsylvania? How the hell does ANY Democrat lose Pennsylvania? Or Michigan, for fuck's sake? PA, MI, *and* Wisconsin and somehow TEH COMMIEZ did it?
Now, I bet the discussions in the Michigan union halls and the Pennsylvania VFWs went something like this: "You know Mitch, with the economy so good and America so respected in the world, I was totally going to support Hillary continuing Obama's work, but then I found out
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And it's hard to think Trump won anything. Most places have almost no public support for him now.
Democrat policies that have made my life a paradise, especially the idea of a law allowing grown men in dresses to loiter in my tween daughter's restroom,
That was already legal almost everywhere. And a pre-op transexual isn't a man in a dress. The Democrat's preferred legislation would have made the man in the dress illegal, when he wasn't illegal before. But the racist/sexist lies get the votes. The truth is too nuanced for the Donn
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And it's hard to think Trump won anything.
He didn't. Hillary lost, and you guys have a two party system.
The election was decided on which candidate people considered to be the worst, not who they wanted as president.
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The exit polls had hillary winning some of those. Historically, when the exit polls don't match the results, there was fraud.
Exit polls can be wrong, especially when there's 'guilt' associated with whatever the polls are asking about. Voting against a lifetime opinion, or simply going against the grain and not voting at all, would certainly qualify as something to feel guilty about for many people.
And it's hard to think Trump won anything. Most places have almost no public support for him now.
Then you're not thinking hard enough. The elections were not just about Dems vs Reps any more than the UK Brexit vote was just about the EU. You don't have to support Trump to not vote Clinton. You don't have to like Trump to see that s
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Hmm, so what is he then?
She's a pre-op transexual.
The lie about predators slipping in a dress and raping girls in the woman's room doesn't hold any water. If you "catch" a man in a dress in the ladies room, cite them. When they come to court to protest, ask for the name of their therapist. Ask for the name of their doctor. The rapist in a dress will have nothing. The pre-op transexual will be able to prove a history of intent. Not exactly fair, but before all the noise about m
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So everyone voting for Trump felt dirty after...
But it was all lies. You don't have to hate Trump to see that.
I'm not sure if your problem is an inability to read, issues with comprehension, or just willful blindness based on political ideology. Regardless, I did not say or suggest the former, and the latter is patently false. I will not bother debating the issue with you further however as I don't see anything to be gained by doing so.
The lie about predators slipping in a dress and raping girls in the woman's room doesn't hold any water.
I never said it did, in fact I said I couldn't care less about shared restrooms. You're the one who seems to have a bee in your bonnet about the whole thing. The rest of your 'argume
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a "preop" tranny in a dress is a man crossdressing,
I love working in the medical field, we do not cater to ignorant and the 'medically' retarded society redefining language to soften it. My field is guilty of softening language to the point of dumbing down the younger generations. Post traumatic stress disorder is easier to ignore and not in your face horrifying. But it's real term Shellshock is and it gets attention and it got people help quick. PTSD don't get help, just antidepressants until their seroton
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a "preop" tranny in a dress is a man crossdressing,
So you can't tell the difference between a man in a dress, and a man on estrogen and a boob job, with a medical history of pre-op counseling and treatments? That just means you are dumb, not that there's no difference.
There is no tranny or other genders or other sexualities in the medical field.
So XY and XX exist. XXY and other such conditions don't exist. Got it.
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YAY! Someone cares enough about what I said to down mod me!
Re: Fuck China. (Score:2, Insightful)
It amaz8ng how liberals think the right are all uneducated brainwashed morons. Guess what, the right thinks the exact same thing as the left. In this respect the left and right agree. Both agree that their side is great and the other side are a bunch of slanderous pigs. There is no debate, just name calling. Whether you are a commie or a Nazi in the end it works out the same. I propose a third side in the debate. Let's get the Nazi right, the commie left, the BLM crowd, the racist, the faggots, and
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Or maybe it's the second part, because SJWs can't reconcile their belief in equality with the idea that not only are bathrooms exempt, they're exempt only on the basis of gender; 'separate but equal is inherently unequal' instead of being true is only true when we feel like it. Instead of downmod and ignore, why don't you go ahead
Re: Fuck China. (Score:2)
How much did the Chinese pay you to post this pro-authoritarian twaddle?
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Whenever I heard something like this, all I can think "Land of the free, home of the brave? Yeah, my ass. Land of the nannystated, home of the bubblewrapped is more like it, it's time to retext that anthem".
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And so it should be. The technolibertarians made it so easy for the Russians to fuck us over with information warfare, by using a completely ungovernned space to brainwash our citizens into supporting fringle media and politics to undermine us.
Fringle media [fringle-media.nl]?
Why are you trolling, bro? R U BORED?
Re: Fuck China. (Score:2)
Lots of those bullshit fake news stories *were* thoroughly debunked with basic facts and logic, it's just that Trump supporters didn't want to listen. And then Trump hijacked the term fake news to mean any factual information that he doesn't like, and that's how we got to where we are now.
Re: Fuck China. (Score:1)
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List your country so I can point out all the things wrong with it.
Re: Fuck China. (Score:4, Insightful)
Gotta be honest, Mexico is pretty handy if you don't mind paying bribes and massive violence that the Federales/policia are willing to ignore. La drugas es no mucho dinero y la pequenas es muy caliente.
Err... I'm unable to spell in Spanish.
Re: Fuck China. (Score:3)
Mi espanol es muy mierda.
I get by. I like Cental America. Fortunately, they are patient while I butcher their language.
Englishes (Score:2)
Except that by now, American English is pretty much recognized as a language distinct from British English. Which one would see from Rosetta Stone, or from the fact that when you select a language from phone settings, American English and British English are 2 separate choices.
I'm sure the Canadians, Australians and New Zealanders would have liked their entries as well
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> I'm sure the Canadians would have liked their entries as well, eh?
> I'm sure the Australianswould have liked their entries as well, mate
FTFY. :-)
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I never took a single Spanish lesson. I learned the little that I know from speaking with people who spoke the language - as I have spent quite a bit of time in Spanish speaking countries. I did take Latin. It's not much help.
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Re: Fuck China. (Score:2, Insightful)
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or you are a racist Nazi
Oh honey, haven't you heard? Everybody's a racist Nazi these days.
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Really?
Fuck, gotta find gramps' old SS uniform, don't wanna be late for the latest fad again!
Nazis (Score:2)
I wonder how Millennials don't get accused of being Nazis as well. Have you seen their dance?
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They'll be losing most favorite nation status (Score:5, Insightful)
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And let's not forget our friends running Israel who are quietly committing genocide while the US media looks elsewhere. But yeah, that iPhone!
Posting anon due to residing in USA, land of the free (so long as we keep our mouth shut).
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oops
If you never hear from me again, you'll know what happened.
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Completely off topic but, since you brought it up:
Here's [tabletmag.com] a rather interesting take on the media portrayal of the Israeli / Palestinian situation.
TL:DR There are terrible things happening all over the world, some of them are seriously over-reported, some you could be excused for missing completely due to the fact the media (being edited for political reasons) 'ignores' them. Israel falls firmly into the first category, but probably isn't that 'important' in the overall scheme of 'history'.
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You're free to do whatever ... we tell you.
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And let's not forget our friends running Israel who are quietly committing genocide while the US media looks elsewhere.
Let's not forget, either, that we are funding it.
Censorship By Suspending Domain Names (Score:1, Insightful)
On-line censorship in the U.S. is going in a similar direction though the methods being used are a bit different.
In the U.S.:
* Most visit a relatively limited number of sites controlled by large corporations that collect and aggregate data. One's identity is far from private.
* Many read much of the news from social media sites, in particular, Facebook. News aggregators, in particular, Google News tend to show news from a relatively few sources, such as NY Times, Washington Post, and CNN. Bias is very eviden
End of the World as We Knew It (Score:4, Interesting)
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It seems inevitable. The nexus of business, government, national security and social stability all seem to make China seem like an innovator, not a regressive authoritarian.
I guess its just a question as to whether China can make their society seem consumer/individual friendly enough that nobody really cares about the authoritarianism, and whether the US can make their authoritarianism consumer/individual friendly enough that nobody notices.
It's like the last great frontier of innovation is how you impleme
This is coming soon to America too. (Score:3)
Trump wants to know who is talking about him!
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10 minutes later he started to sob when he noticed that nobody is.
Perfect Business Opportunity (Score:2)
With Identities being required on China tech firms. Now all we need is a website breach on those tech firms to get BEELLIONS of FREE real identities for SELL!
There's a reason why some data are better not kept.
Every country deserves the government it has (Score:2)
Re:A government the US lefties want (Score:4, Insightful)
Re: A government the US lefties want (Score:5, Insightful)
No, it's pretty crazy. What is crazy is not seeing the absurdity of this. It's kinda disappointing that people ignore the value of anonymous speech. When faced with retaliation, you tend to not feel comfortable freely expressing yourself.
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Pseudonymity is fine if you have 'safe' views and opinions. Challenge the wrong people or thoughts and the veil is removed, you're exposed, it gets nasty.
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When faced with retaliation, you tend to not feel comfortable freely expressing yourself.
At least, not with words. Anonymous acts of violence, though...
Re: A government the US lefties want (Score:3)
I didn't mention, nor infer, either end of the political spectrum. If you're curious, I'm pretty damned leftist. Free speech is/was once a very left view to hold.
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I mean, this is Slashdot, which brands anonymous comments as "cowards" to begin with. It seems to me nobody, including the site's administration, has a legitimate argument against anonymous comments.
The best argument against anonymous commenting on Slashdot is about two-thirds of the anonymous comments.
Re: A government the US lefties want (Score:2)
Instead of worrying if it is a bot, try judging the speech on its merits and not on the source.
Re: A government the US lefties want (Score:2)
Right. So, how do we realistically fix it?
I'm pretty sure the solution isn't draconian laws and suppression of expression. Damned if I know how to get others to actually research and reason, however. The solution doesn't appear to be education, we're more educated than we've ever been.
Sometimes I think we should burn it down and start over. Yet, I suspect we will just end up right back here.
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He began by saying most mexicans were what rapists and worst, with only some being good people.
When you can't even get the facts straight from a year ago... It's hard to take your comment seriously talking about what education we need for history when you fail so spectacularly.
false simplification
Kind of like what you just did. Do you think making the distinction between Mexican people, Mexican immigrants and illegal Mexican immigrants is a distinction worth mentioning when talking about immigration policy or platform and any speech associated with such topics?
We need sceptical people who take the time to get the truth,
Those people are branded as racist, sexist, xenophobes, or n
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they don't reek of lies, deceits, and frauds at all!
I know you'd like to thank your shit don't stank but lean a little bit closer See that roses really smell like poo-oo-ooo.
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lol, ur a funny little guy aren't you. so cute. i bet you are the center of attention in party. women want to be with you men want to be like you.
truly a model citizen for us all to follow. now tell me. who do i need to punch to be as hip as you ?
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That is no longer an option for liberals or people that want to have their respect. Toe the line or else is the current climate. Simply not showing enough anger and outrage fast enough will get you labeled as a Nazi-sympathizer, misogynist, or racist. It no longer even matters if the subject being discussed is related to those terms.
You want respect? Just come with grownup arguments instead of schoolyard bullshit. No, you don't have to agree with everything; there isn't even general agreement. However, the left is getting extremely tired of all the incessantly repeated bullshit, pretzel logic, and carefully dishonest talking points that are being spouted about climate change, racism, supremacy movements, and the appalling incompetence and corruption of the current US president.
Re: A government the US lefties want (Score:3)
I am unfamiliar with that law. It seems true.
As I was saying, if I can threaten you or your family, I can probably ensure you say exactly what I want. North Koreans know their government sucks, they also know where they will end up for vocalizing that.
We need the freedom to express ourselves. Even the Nazis deserve that freedom.
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It's from the Illuminatus Trilogy. Give it a read... you may like it.
(I'll let somebody else post the amazon affiliate link to the book.)
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I'll look it up. Thanks.
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RUSSIAN SHILL DETECTED
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Yes, that is exactly how brain-dead reactionary Liberal puppets act. Excellent job at parodizing how ridiculously stupid and short sighted they are.
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Re:A government the US _righties_ want (Score:3, Interesting)
Re:A government the US _righties_ want (Score:5, Insightful)
Except most right-wingers espouse a minimalist Federal government, are pro-firearms-rights, anti-abortionists, religious, and generally favor a strict constructionist interpretation of the US Constitution, with all those pesky individual rights enumerated. Yeah, definitely a right-winger's paradise there.
Authoritarian governments don't really favor the left OR right. They just favor themselves.
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What? Pointing out that righties enjoy big government? Of course, only when it is against _them_ (black people, atheists, muslims, immigrants). It's always been true.
Which "righties" are you talking about?
As far as I can tell American conservatives [wikipedia.org] have always been in favor of limited government.
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And we should always, consistently, vote to decrease government power in every election.
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Please don't make statements about "most [anything]" without linking to statistical survey evidence to support your statements.
It's both hilarious and telling that you make this demand of me even though everything I stated can be found in the Wikipedia article under Conservationism in the United States [wikipedia.org], the precepts of which are broadly acknowledged without "statistical survey evidence". Yet you completely ignore the GP who made absurd claims about how "right-wingers" (note the lack of qualifiers, which implies all right wingers) would somehow find Totalitarian/Communist China some sort of utopia, a completely absurd and indefensi
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As an
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And so the pendulum swings. Half a century ago, that was firmly the tactics of the right. Didn't work that well back then either, as the success of the civil rights movement showed.
And so this will fail. It simply has to. I don't really think the right will be chicken when the left wasn't either. And back then it wasn't just about comfort, these people risked their fuckin' life!
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We're just 8% maybe, but we have more than 80% of the weapons, power and money.
And knowing that I can sleep easy.
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Facebook can do business as its own wishes, and yet not be doing the same thing at all as a government compelling all businesses.
As usual, Dumb-and-Buffoonish, you can't bother to get past your own mendacity.
Of course, Facebook was not even the first to implement such a system, so you couldn't even get that right.
Re: Not so different (Score:1)
They have no particular power at all. Besides, you're twenty or thirty years too late to the party. McDonalds, Phillip Morris, Exxon, they're much deeper than a new upstart.
Re: Not so different (Score:2)
It's time to get out the antitrust laws. Break up Facebook!
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Re: No Feedback? (Score:2)
Who is the arbiter of legitimate dissent?
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It's already bad enough that they use our oil and eat our corn!
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Guess what, in Europe we have both kinds of free!
Don't know why you think it has to be either-or.
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Maybe, but what matters is how you wear it.
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Translation: I upped my DDoS resilience and am humbly requesting a stress test.