China's Censors Can Now Erase Images Mid-Transmission (wsj.com) 90
Eva Dou, reporting for WSJ: China's already formidable internet censors have demonstrated a new strength -- the ability to delete images in one-on-one chats as they are being transmitted, making them disappear before receivers see them. The ability is part of a broader technology push by Beijing's censors to step up surveillance and get ahead of activists and others communicating online in China (Editor's note: the link could be paywalled; alternative source). Displays of this new image-filtering capability kicked into high gear last week as Chinese dissident Liu Xiaobo lay dying from liver cancer and politically minded Chinese tried to pay tribute to him, according to activists and a new research report. Wu Yangwei, a friend of the long-jailed Nobel Peace Prize laureate, said he used popular messaging app WeChat to send friends a photo of a haggard Mr. Liu embracing his wife. Mr. Wu believed the transmissions were successful, but he said his friends never saw them. "Sometimes you can get around censors by rotating the photo," said Mr. Wu, a writer better known by his pen name, Ye Du. "But that doesn't always work." There were disruptions on Tuesday to another popular messaging app, Facebook's WhatsApp, with many China-based users saying they were unable to send photos and videos without the use of software that circumvents Chinese internet controls. Text messages appeared to be largely unaffected.
Well yeah (Score:2)
Re: Well yeah (Score:1)
Here below is my attached meme image response:
AC
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Re:Liberals (Score:5, Informative)
The closest thing I can see to left-wing censorship is a handful of relatively powerless college students acting rashly. And in each of those cases, the conservative outrage has been many times greater in magnitude.
Liberals and centrists sitting on the fence and saying "Now now, both sides can be equally bad" when clearly they're not BEING anywhere near equally bad is what's causing us to run into disaster.
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The left wing in various contexts throughout history can censor things, yes, but here in the US at the moment? The right wing is the one that is in any power. ...
Riiiight.
It's those conservative right-wingers that use violence as a heckler's veto to chase "progressive" speakers off of college campuses.
Oh, wait, I was wrong.
It's self-styled "PROGRESSIVES" that go around actually engaging in political violence by "punching Nazis". (Well, they try to - the candy-ass metrosexual wimps usually get their asses kicked - just Google "moldylocks gets punched" [google.com]. Oh, wait, I did it for you! BWAA HAAA HAAAA!!!!)
It's "PROGRESSIVES" who go around shutting down speakers they don'
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And the Right condones blowing up governments that don't agree with them. See :Oklahoma City Bombing.
See? I can equate one person with the whole wing too!
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Re: Liberals (Score:2)
I believe the discussion is about current events.
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Attacks from liberals on conservatives have been fewer, the chart one month goes up to ten! [dailycaller.com]
The left wing violence list includes things like "throwing eggs" while the right wing violence list has "throwing acid."
I'm sure there are better sources for this information out there and I'm interested if anyone has any. I just did a quick google search on both.
At any rate, I can't fathom anyone who sugg
Aggressive post processing (Score:3)
Sufficient alterations such as running images through a "make it look like an oil painting" can probably get around this kind of detection. Although watch out for that "convert to cubism" option.
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Take it a step further, and use steganography.
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Take it a step further, and use steganography.
You mean encryption.
steganography would be hiding bits within the image-- encryption would be hiding the image.
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Hide the bits that make the original image within a different image.
Actually Steganography Better (Score:3)
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And then you can be "aggressively post-processed" by the Chinese government for subverting their censor.
Scary stuff.
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ASCII Art FTW! [glassgiant.com]
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Try this: convert myimage.png.jpeg.xpm.tif.whatever tmp.ubrl && tail -n+4 tmp.ubrl
Then paste into any text medium that has been updated this millenium (ie, not Slashdot). Resolution is 2x4 per character, black&white only.
OMG... (Score:4, Interesting)
What did Winnie the Pooh ever do to the Chinese government?
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/07/17/world/asia/china-winnie-the-pooh-censored.html [nytimes.com]
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The good thing about Chinese censorship is that at least a billion people will be spared your ebooks. Can you imagine a Chinese kid learning English and the first thing they find is a cdreimer extravaganza? That'll make the Tyco suicides look like a walk in the park!
BTW: How come you didn't provide any certificates of destruction for the hard disks on the 100 laptops you sold to a recycler? I bet future employers would like to know what you do with their property?
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Well... (Score:5, Insightful)
...guess it won't be long before this comes to the UK.
For the children, don't you know?
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Well, yes. They have to protect the Muslims as they know they will be in power. It's a giant fucking race to cater to the new demographics so as to stay politically relevant. Sharia law is de-factor legal now.
in soviet russia we erase you! (Score:2)
in soviet russia we erase you!
free for all (Score:1)
they should totally open-source this code.
this way everybody can start erasing their own picture if taken by 3rd party and posted to facebook etc. without their consent.
call it: "take-back-privacy"
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This is all done server-side.
Wechat, the app in question, sends and stores all messages on Wechat's servers before broadcasting it to the intended recipients.
According to various news reports, they've been able to trigger review of message via keyword-based messages for quite a while, and now they've apparently added the ability to filter videos and images by comparing them for similarities to banned images.
One thing to remember about this is, Wechat is a major payment/messaging/blogging platform inside Chi
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I would not be at all surprised if sharing photos amounts to sharing the URL for the photo, in effect, in which case it can be blocked merely by blocking the URL (assuming no HTTPS).
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it can't be that much harder than the upside-down-ternet:
http://www.ex-parrot.com/pete/... [ex-parrot.com]
when you have sufficient processing power.
I've actually implemented this on a MITM proxy server with its trusted root certificate being installed via group policy so I could manipulate images on the fly and deliver things like downgraded image quality based on AD group membership. And its all HTTPS and the certificate checks out (on face value to the plebs, at least it doesn't give a warning in the browser) so thats ho
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FoxAcid, Turmoil, Quantum, QuantumInsert. Man-on-the-side, man-in-the-middle outpace any consumer network. Why just collect information on the way when the results can be changed too?
Just as the NSA and GCHQ know all about peering, every server and service provider and the fast speed of their own tame telcos, so does China.
The only way around that would be a go
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As I will now demonstrate:
Moderation is not the same as censorship. Learn the difference.
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Moderation is not the same as censorship.
Is that newspeak?
Re: Censorship in the U.S. (Score:2)
To be fair, I see the original post. I browse at -1, of course.
Pay-Walled Source? (Score:2)
If the story source is pay-walled (and here's an alturnative source), why refer and list the pay-walled link at all? Why not just use the alturnative source as the primary source?
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(Also, often the mirrors are on less-robust servers, so it's nice to have the primary source available for when the mirror inexplicably gets slashdotted.)
steganography? (Score:4, Insightful)
I'm curious if they've tried steganography to get around censorship? Hiding the photo inside another photo or document?
Or maybe they *are* doing that, and the reason we're not hearing about it is because it's working.
So... never mind...
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Some, probably. The masses probably use easier "tricks" like rotation. Those are easier moles to whack, but it's still whack-a-mole and still futile and the tools of commoners will nestle in the classic feedback valley that balances 1) method difficulty, obscurity, resilience (whack cost); vs 2) likelihood/frequency of mole whack from Our Betters
I've heard that they'll use substitute words to dodge filters. When they want to refer to a certain politician, location, event (tiananmen square?) they'll carefull
Re:steganography? (Score:4, Interesting)
Well, ok, your questions sound rhetorical, so this will probably be unwelcome, but I think the difference is intent.
In the US it's done for a variety of reasons -- intellectual property, porn, unlawful content, politically incorrect (ahem-facebook), and in China it's specifically targeted at political dissidents. Here we can say Apple (or Microsoft if that makes you more comfortable) is being a dick, I'll use some other service. Over there it's more problematic, because (a) it's the government doing it (yeah, I know, bear with me) *and* (b) it's specifically targeted at anti-government speech. Which we would call, over here, free speech.
So over here someone can post a photo holding the bloody decapitated head of the president... no wait, that's a bad example... no, on further thought, it's a valid example. She was able to post the image without having it deleted by the government. Other bad things happened, but government deletion in transit wasn't one of them.
So, I'd argue, not hypocritical at all. Freedom and privacy are complex issues, and I don't think there's anyone within the sound of my voice that believes we in the US have complete freedom. Whether we should or not would be a lively discussion. But I think we can agree that people in china have much less freedom.
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The technology is about suppressing what people of average intelligence get to see, not what people who are technologically sophisticated get to see.
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You are absolutely right. That's an excellent point. So perhaps what's needed are some easy to use tools that allow average people to use sophisticated techniques.
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You are absolutely right. That's an excellent point. So perhaps what's needed are some easy to use tools that allow average people to use sophisticated techniques.
Then, and therein lies the fun, whoever builds and distributes that tool is an enemy of the state.
When the law is "whatever I say", there's no loophole.
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You are absolutely right. That's an excellent point. So perhaps what's needed are some easy to use tools that allow average people to use sophisticated techniques.
Then, and therein lies the fun, whoever builds and distributes that tool is an enemy of the state.
When the law is "whatever I say", there's no loophole.
I think one could argue that using any method to circumvent censorship by the glorious people's republic of China, including perhaps even rotating the image, could make one an enemy of the state. Why not go for the gusto?
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Perhaps, but the sort of censorship we're seeing here is just a heavy-handed way of attempting to steer discussion on social media and chat apps. The other thing they did recently was remove is a load of foreign material [chinafilminsider.com] from bilibili.com/ [bilibili.com], which is a Chinese video sharing site with subtitles and viewer commentary.
If you really want to secretly share an image, there are a bunch of ways of doing that. What you're seeing with these recent actions are attempts to push around the most number of people with th
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OMG. Are you telling us that steganography is the reason why there are so many pictures of cats on the Internet?
No of course n... wait... Wow. That's... actually pretty insightful.
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Yet they allow topless pictures of large breasted women in regular newspapers.
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That's The Doctor, n00b
One way they might do it (Score:2)
Tell me, how do they intercept the data, figure out what it is - and how they get around disguising the data in so far as possibly stripping out any headers identifying file types ...
I know one way they could do it. People assume this censorship applies to everybody in China, but it could actually be restricted and implemented in a real low tech way that makes people think it applies to everybody when it only applies to a select few. Imagine a Man In The Middle approach. It seems logical to me that certain users are likely known by the government to post objectionable things from time to time, so if you don't have an exceptionally large number of such people to keep an eye on, you co
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A Scanner Darkly!
Life imitating art (Score:2)
Once again, Mr. Munroe gets it right well before his time.
https://xkcd.com/341/ [xkcd.com]
AI world takeover (Score:2)
Text messages appeared to be unaffected (Score:1)
Are you sure?
Don't count on it.
And you thought AI was your friend ...