Delays In Unlocking Cellphones Seized In Inauguration Day Protests? (buzzfeed.com) 163
Cellphone data may play a key role in prosecuting people arrested at inauguration day protests, according to an article shared by Slashdot reader Mosquito Bites. A U.S. attorney acknowledged that "the government recovered cell phones from more than 100 indicted defendants and other un-indicted arrested" in a filing last March, adding "The government is in the process of extracting data from the Rioter Cell Phones pursuant to lawfully issued search warrants, and expects to be in a position to produce all of the data from the searchers Rioter Cell Phones in the next several weeks."
But 11 weeks later, it's a different story. Prosecutors "have provided defense lawyers with access to hundreds of hours of video footage from January 20, but have yet to turn over data extracted from more than 100 cell phones seized during the arrests, according to lawyers who spoke with BuzzFeed News." In addition, they report that now more than half the 200-plus defendants "are vowing not to cooperate with prosecutors, even in the face of a new set of felony charges that carry stiff maximum prison sentences."
But 11 weeks later, it's a different story. Prosecutors "have provided defense lawyers with access to hundreds of hours of video footage from January 20, but have yet to turn over data extracted from more than 100 cell phones seized during the arrests, according to lawyers who spoke with BuzzFeed News." In addition, they report that now more than half the 200-plus defendants "are vowing not to cooperate with prosecutors, even in the face of a new set of felony charges that carry stiff maximum prison sentences."
question mark? (Score:2)
Bad Planning (Score:3)
In a similar way to the "mistakes" this young lady who leaked classified made, so to did most of these demonstrators.
Seriously, if you're going to participate or be part of the leadership of an organized protest, consider all your "command and control" participants use - get this! - "burner phones", and then at some point, ditch them.
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And be seen using a flip phone? Never. How many of these anti capitalist leftist protesters were using $1000 iPhones? Hell use regular HF radios with keywords.
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Seriously, if you're going to participate or be part of the leadership of an organized protest, consider all your "command and control" participants use - get this! - "burner phones", and then at some point, ditch them.
And be seen using a flip phone? Never.
The horror! The horror!
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Last year on ebay I picked up three UHF Motorola MT2000 handheld radios with encryption that were surplus from the CHiP SWAT team for about $300. Secure professional comms are available at an affordable price if you study a bit and look around. You may have to do a bit of hacking to get them to your frequencies of choice, but all that info is out there (batlabs.com). Granted I've been hacking Motorola radios for decades but the bar isn't that high. I also have 800MHz Jedi (yes, that is what the interna
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And yet the only one you can decrypt is p25.
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That is called operational security. If they recorded the transmission they could then take their time to decode it, but they wouldn't be prepared to do that in real time. They use that for like SWAT teams where if the info came out at a later date it wouldn't upset the operation. Various voice inversion with stepping code fall into that category.
For more secure comms they use a digital P25 format with DES3 or AES that takes the decode process up to the Three Letter Agency level. Think DEA and internal
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Re:Bad Planning (Score:4, Insightful)
>"Seriously, if you're going to participate or be part of the leadership of an organized protest, consider all your "command and control" participants use - get this! - "burner phones", and then at some point, ditch them."
Or better yet, protest but don't break the law...
NOT that I am excusing this ridiculous delay in getting their phones back because it is wrong. But something tells me that is pretty typical nowadays for any phone seized during an arrest in which they want data, too.
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Or better yet, protest but don't break the law...
What if you didn't, but other people in the protest did ?
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What if you didn't, but other people in the protest did ?
Good point, but there is an old saying about that....
"if you lay down with dogs, you get up with fleas"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... [wikipedia.org]
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Better understand conspiracy laws...if you plotted, your as guilty as the people who actually light the fire.
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Re: Bad Planning (Score:1)
The prosecutors want to try people in groups which doesn't seem right:
there are still many more legal battles to come before these cases go to trial, such as whether evidence was lawfully collected and whether defendants should be tried in groups, as opposed to individual trials for each person.
The charges come in groups too - this seems to imply 1060 acts of property destruction:
The latest indictment ... charged 212 defendants with at least eight counts: one count of inciting or urging others to riot, one
Re: Bad Planning (Score:2)
If they remain anonymous, they don't get the associated fame/infamy. What good is a trophy, if it doesn't have your name on it?
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... [wikipedia.org]
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they arent that smart ...smashing windows in a federal building carry heavy fines ..might as well smashed up a mail van and drove it into local FBI building ..would have made a better youtube video and gotten same amount of time
wait, what? (Score:4, Insightful)
more than half the 200-plus defendants "are vowing not to cooperate with prosecutors
Why would anyone cooperate with their prosecution?
Do I misunderstand something here? Typically you cooperate with your defence and are adversarial with your prosecution, no?
Re: wait, what? (Score:3, Funny)
In the same way that millennials can be both male and female at the same time, they can self-identify as prosecutors while being defendents.
Re: wait, what? (Score:5, Funny)
they can self-identify as prosecutors while being defendents.
Let's be clear: defendents that identify as prosecutors cannot understand the burden of prosecutors as well as prosecutor-born prosecutors. They shouldn't be allowed to invade the space created for those who have been prosecutors over the course of a lifetime; access to this space should be granted according to experience, not identity.
That's why there should be only two kinds of courtrooms; one for the prosecutor-born prosecutors, and one for everyone else. Obviously the defendents, cisdefendents and self-identifying defendents don't need dedicated courtrooms since they have experienced a life of privilege.
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The prosecutors are pulling the plea deal they give everyone now. Only a fraction of criminal cases make it to trial. The DA doesn't have the resources or budget to decrypt the phones and hopes everyone takes the deal.
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Why would anyone cooperate with their prosecution?
Because prosecutors use a certain tactic so often, they named a whole category of games after it: the Prisoner's Dilemma.
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Why would anyone cooperate with their prosecution?
They might be more inclined to cooperate with someone else's prosecutor.
Re:wait, what? (Score:5, Insightful)
Why would anyone cooperate with their prosecution?
Because even if you have done nothing wrong, government prosecutors can threaten you with bogus charges and bankrupt you with legal expenses. So they offer you a plea deal to rat on other protestors, and if you got nothin' on anyone else, you will need to make something up. Meanwhile, those other protestors are being offered deals to rat on you. The loser is the guy that holds out the longest out of a misguided sense of honor.
Re: wait, what? (Score:3)
My question is, was it worth it?
And, because I know people like to willfully ignore what I said... I will repeat it.
Was it worth it, really?
And lest the right try to argue, I served for eight years. I really, really want to know if they felt it was worth it, but more specifically I want to know after the sentencing.
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Where is the justice in that? This is why plea deals should be unconstitutional in the U.S. Too many innocent people accepting convictions because the alternative is much worse.
Who said anything about justice? Trials are held in courts of law and not courts of justice. "Department of Justice" is an newspeak worthy misnomer.
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Why would anyone cooperate with their prosecution?
Almost all people charged with a crime, confess. Why? Torture. The original definition was "causing or threatening harm to extract a confession" Note, getting the "truth" was never the goal of torture. Threatening someone with increased jail time (harm) if they don't confess meets the original definition of torture.
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Do I misunderstand something here? Typically you cooperate with your defence and are adversarial with your prosecution, no?
Yes you misunderstand something here. If you know you're guilty of something then co-operating with the prosecution will likely get you the best outcome, especially when it ensures a worse outcome for someone else.
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Only a few of them will GET to cooperate with the prosecution.
More than half 'vow not to' doesn't matter. I'll bet offers are already 'off the table', as the prosecutors have all the cooperation they need. More than likely the riot's 'leadership' has sold out 'the troops'. That's how it usually works.
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The prisoner's dilemma: each prisoner does not know if another is going to cooperate. Cooperating results in a plea deal for reduced punishment, but inflicting full punishment on the non-cooperating prisoner.
The typical scenario is that underling is offered a deal to provide evidence against his boss. The ultimate boss is the one that is the target of full punishment.
If you don't turn over the password to your phone's data, the prosecutor isn't going to be able to use it to verify your story. Even if you pr
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It would be interesting to see footage of those "not my President" peaceful demonstrations by democracy lovers side by side with footage of peaceful demonstrations around American embassies in the Middle East. AK-47 asides, it would probably be difficult to tell them apart. Fanatism, intolerance and entitlement have a lot in common.
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Thats one less person going to court, finding an expert to talk about how the phone data was extracted in open court.
Or asking how the government worked with the phone, the phone maker, a 3rd party to get data from the phone.
Better to just offer deals or wait to see how many can afford court time, lawyers and have found court ready experts.
Questions of how the phone data was decrypted, extracted or accessed might see gov experts mention me
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Which would be a walk for the defendants.
By keeping them in suspense they hope they'll take the plea bargain and come out worse off.
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My guess... the DoJ will pull everything can off the phones and then say they determined they had enough evidence they didn't need to analyze the phones and hence there's nothing for them to submit as part of discovery. As long as they don't directly reference something they found on a phone, they'll get away with it. It's easy enough to do. They find an incriminating email, they just subpoena the provider for the email. Same for text messages. They'll just have to prove how they knew that person's email/phone address without access to the phone. Given how most people splash their contact info all over the place now, it shouldn't be that hard.
There are two reasons I think they'll do this... the most obvious is they don't have to disclose how much they actually do know and second an analysis of what they could and couldn't pull off 100-150+ phones could give some indication of just how good (or bad) their phone cracking is and they don't want that known (either way)
Brady [wikipedia.org] still applies and even for evidence that the investigators know and the prosecution does not but you are right, prosecutors routinely withhold exculpatory evidence. The latest dodge I have seen is prosecutors deciding that the evidence was not exculpatory so it did not need to be disclosed but how can the prosecutor know that? Well, it does not matter because there is no penalty for them if they were wrong. If the coin comes up heads, the prosecutor wins; if the coin comes up tails, then the defen
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Whenever you see the word "lawful", you know something bad for the common people is being done in the name of DUH LAW.
Remember boys & girls: "rule of law" just means "rule of lawyers". All the great human calamities of the 20th century - the trenches of WWI, the Armenian genocide, the Jewish holocaust in Germany, the atomic holocaust at Hiroshima and Nagasaki, the allied firebombing of Berlin and Tokyo, Stalin's purges, the American chemical warfare against the Vietnamese people, the Soviet war agains
medieval bullshit (Score:1)
"are vowing not to cooperate with prosecutors, even in the face of a new set of felony charges that carry stiff maximum prison sentences."
"Confess now or we will hurt you thrice as much!" FTFY
Fakenews on Slashdot, FTFY (Score:2)
Showing up with clubs, hammers and then proceeding to smash/burn storefronts, cars, limos and anything else is NOT protesting.
Liberal Rioting Fail (Score:2)
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"Let's all show up with wearing black masks and black clothes so the one who smashes stuff cannot be identified",
"Whahhhhttttt. You are arresting all of us in black masks and black clothes."
It works for the police.
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Smashing windows in fed buildings in downtown DC carry's heavy fines ..like smashing windows in a post office or a mail van or FBI building etc ..and in the end did it do any good? it was like a triple failure
that Starbucks was renting from the federal government
I had a friend who was 83 years old he CCW into a post office and someone noticed a bulge in back of his jacket ..at 83 he went to jail ..feds do not play
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No matter what you do you'll always know the vast right wing conspiracy fucked you good and hard.
No, Progressives' own dishonesty, corruption, elitism, and arrogance fucked them good and hard. They were hoisted by their own petard, as it were. If they weren't criminal primary-rigging sleazebags no amount of email leaks or hackers, Russian or otherwise, could have damaged them like we saw happen in 2016. An opened bag of stale, moldy potato chips found alongside the road could have won vs HRC.
It's as if they finally listened to all the liberty-loving people who've been telling them to go fuck themselves
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The Obama administration (Lynch and Comey) obstructed justice.
They only slowed it down. Justice happened on election night when it became clear that she wouldn't win. In that instant, not only did she became obsolete herself, but she took down with her a whole system of corruption, greed and moral complacency. Now if the Democrats want to beat Trump they will need someone like Oprah or Beyonce.
Just by being such a terrible candidate she did a much better job of draining the swamp than Trump. All the fucks who poured millions in the Clinton foundation and who bought fu
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It's difficult to take the moral high ground about the Democrat loss when the Republican candidate won. A man who is not only willing to appoint personal friends and even family members to positions of power, but doesn't even try to hide it.
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The thing is, that's who he is. He decided to become President, and did it pretty much by himself with the help of family and friends, and with his own money. He had a tiny team of volunteers compared to Clinton; his own party didn't want him there and tried to get rid of him even after the primaries.
He's been like that his whole life. We're talking about a guy who literally fought for decades with bureaucrats to develop some land that he bought in NYC. He's not a sweet-talker that sugarcoated his way to po
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Just a precision, although I'm starting to get tired of being a bit of a Trump apologist. He hasn't always been surrounded by rich people. His father had some made some money being a landlord in blue collar neighborhood but wasn't immensely wealthy; at his death, his estate was worth $20 million. Now, that's good money but that's far from the 8 billions Trump is currently worth.
When Trump got started in "real estate", he was actually collecting rent money for properties owned by his father or himself, and a
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Such empty pompous bombast was revolting. He complained more about the evils of "Political Correctness" than he offered real policy.
Ok, now that you're done with your tantrum, let me explain to you how politics work in this day and age.
You go on stage and you say: "I plan to improve the economy by 4% by having a responsible fiscal policy and make long-term investments in education". The guy next to you says: "I'm going to get every hard working American a brand new pickup truck and I'll make those Volkswagen crooks pay for it."
Now, the media has maybe 45 or 60 seconds to cover the debate before people get bored and switch the channel to
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You are clearly nowhere near stupid enough to believe that, so what is your game here? Why are you insulting the intelligence of all readers here no matter what their political views?
I'm no fan of Hillary and some things from the Manning leaks showed she was unfit for office, but what's with the delusionary shit above?
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you fascist fuck.
Could you point out the parts of my comment that, according to you, are fascist? Or maybe you mistakenly believe that "fascists" are simply people who disagree with you?
Like many of your liberal peers, you display an interesting combination of intolerance and ignorance. Who would have guessed that Donald Trump was all it took to have you people drop your masks of civilized supporters of democracy and freedom.
Re: Just arrest Trump and be done with it. (Score:2)
I am the American left. I haven't associated with the liberals or progressives, for quite a while. I'd like to apologize for their behavior, not that it will help.
This doesn't mean I side with the right. It does mean I understand their confusion. My side is full of hypocrites and liars. Your side is too, but I am doing the important step of admitting the guilt on my side.
I am sorry for the identity politics. I am sorry that they tried to force views on you, by means of curtailing your speech. No, really...
Re:The Freedom to Choose (Score:5, Insightful)
It's always interesting to note that it's been Republicans who have sought to impeach Democrats for specious and unfounded reasons that are actually based on their own political partisanship, yet somehow can't even recognize the amoral scum they've embraced is bad for them, it's like they don't know they really should demonstrate their vaunted love of moral integrity every now and again.
It's like the political party doesn't know they need to keep their own house in order, not just praise every arsonist thug who wears their preferred T-Shirt and shouts the right sounding words. Or tweets. Without you know, actually managing a coherent sentence, but who cares about that?
Re: The Freedom to Choose (Score:1)
Yes, yes, you've been disparaging Obama for years, to the point where you concocted an insane reason for a simple misstatement, and now, with Trump, who just this week gave some sort of rambling response while sputtering over Comey's testimony, you still can't admit that the best explanation for Trump's inability to even read a teleprompter is simple senility. You're still stuck on your anti-Obama fixation.
But seriously, you lost the teleprompter argument when it was Palin whining about it as she read from
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Yes, yes, you've been disparaging Obama for years, to the point where you concocted an insane reason for a simple misstatement
The video is a 5 minute compilation of a large number of different times when his inability to speak without cue cards was made obvious. Spinning that as a "simple misstatement" is like saying that Bill Clinton had just one extramarital affair.
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The video is a 5 minute compilation of a large number of different times when his inability to speak without cue cards was made obvious
So what about the hours of donnie speaking worse?
Re: The Freedom to Choose (Score:2)
I should probably abandon thread.
What has that got to do with the now? I'm willing to listen. In fact, I must. I am really fucking confused.
a matter of kettle (Score:2)
The context is that the Trump haters keep accusing him of things that their own candidates do.
-Interference with the FBI investigation (the same guy, Comey, is the one that Clinton blames for losing the elections because he refused to stop investigating her email snafu)
-Taking money from foreign countries (which the Clintons have done for over 25 years)
-colluding with Russia (where Bill Clinton gave a speech to promote Uranium One, which conveniently received the blessing of the US govt to be partially acqu
Re: a matter of kettle (Score:4)
Huh... Thanks.
I dislike Trump. I sure as hell didn't vote for him.
Imma let you in on a secret. I don't wish him any malice and I hope he is an effective president. I am as far left as you can get, while still being rational. I don't even hate Trump. I am more disgusted with the media, and the sycophants, than I am with Trump.
If you're on the right, I am sorry for what they do in my name. I am the real American left.
Sorry for their behavior. Please don't blame me. At the root level, you and I want the same things, probably.
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Absolutely. How dare the media report what's actually going on? They should stick to attacking poor people for having coffee pots.
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don't even get me started on that wall.
The wall is not a simple matter.
First, you have to understand that illegal immigration is becoming a big business in part because of the legalization of marijuana in some states. Smuggling pot out of Colorado is a lot easier than smuggling pot from the mountains of Sinaloa, and the quality is much better in Colorado. So a lot of Mexican criminals are recycling their drug smuggling network and switch to people smuggling.
Second, Mexico itself is having issues with illegal immigrants from Honduras and Guatemal
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I can have a more meaningful and productive discussion with a Trump supporter, than it appears I can have with you.
That's sad. You already lost the left some ~1000 seats in Federal and State level governance. What, you want to try to lose the rest? Keep insulting them. Keep calling them names.
Seriously, go ahead. I'm going to be fine and I have Canadian citizenship to fall back on.
The worst part is that you posted your post while feeling egotistical, right, and important.
We're not on the same side, actually
Re: a matter of kettle (Score:1, Insightful)
#1 Trump won because the best the Democratic Party could offer was Hilary Clinton. The moral high-ground you feel entitled to in your head. Psychology 101, you=good, not you=bad.
#2 The superior intellect of the Democratic Party has been proven to be largely a myth as we've watch for 6 months now as they've said "well your people do it too!". Fair enough, but we effectively have no intellectually superior faction anymore. Even with your $100,000+ degrees, you argue much like the college dropout redneck tr
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This is factually untrue. See XXX, XXXX, XXXX, XXY, XY/XXY mosaic, XYY. The list goes on.
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#1 Trump won because the best the Democratic Party could offer was Hilary Clinton.
Ad nauseam...
Yes, we have a lesser of two evils party system in this country. Both the Democrats and Republicans play the game of telling their respective bases what they want to hear and then find out how much of it they bought, on election day. Funny thing is though, some of the wining side's agenda actually becomes reality [politifact.com].
So as a voter, it's still to your advantage to vote for whatever bullshit sounds best to you, because *some* of it will stick.
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The wall is not a simple matter. First, you have to understand that illegal immigration is becoming a big business in part because of the legalization of marijuana in some states.
The problem of illegal immigration is due to the border (and nearby) states not devoting enough resources to fight the problem at the local level. Let's be honest too, if an ocean can't keep out illegals (airplanes, boats, a long ride on a sea turtle), a wall isn't going to make much difference.
It's just an expensive bridge-to-nowhere. Anyone saying the money poured into its construction would help the economy doesn't understand the "broken window fallacy". Every dollar spent on the wall could've gone to
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You already lost the left some ~1000 seats in Federal and State level governance. What, you want to try to lose the rest? Keep insulting them. Keep calling them names.
We've got a sad state of affairs in this country if people are actually choosing their candidates based on the level of butthurt they're receiving from the opposing party's supporters. In that case, stick a fork in the USA, we're done.
Seriously, go ahead. I'm going to be fine and I have Canadian citizenship to fall back on.
So, support Trump's pro-coal agenda, move to Canada when it warms up? Sounds like it could be the plot of a bad Sci-Fi movie, maybe we could get Charlie Sheen.
The worst part is that you posted your post while feeling egotistical, right, and important.
Actually, since it was the middle of the night, I mostly just felt tired.
We're not on the same side, actually. I'm on the American left. You don't even know what left means.
Even the "left" isn't black and white.
You'v
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Every dollar spent on the wall could've gone towards a real investment in our country's future, such as education grants.
But the plan is to have Mexico pay for it. Are you suggesting Mexico should subsidize your education grants?
As for convincing Mexico to pay: the US government could simply take this out of the money they send to Mexico every year to help them fight the cartels. Almost 3 billions during the Obama administration alone.
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Perhaps you could add the "none of the above left" and capture the vast majority of leftists, because there's darn few in any category you cited.
You might also want to learn some economics sometime, although that might endanger your ability to mock sensible economic measures.
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Oh yes, exactly the same as Trump's Russian backchannel action. Seriously? WTF is wrong with you people?
A fucking cuckoo laid it's egg inside the Republican party - you don't have to keep on supporting the Manchurian Candidate just because he's in the party you love. He doesn't have the same values and aims as the party you love.
Clinton is yesterdays news. Putin is the one to worry about today.
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You lost your argument when the Clinton Death List started to be spouted as genuine fact by all the Republican Stalwarts, and it continues to be recited as a testament today. This was further enhanced by ever-popular (on the Right) birtherism and dozens of other farcical scandals and hysterics, which rather demonstrated a lack of serious criticism. Add in the established criminal actions of many of those Republican prosecutors in the House, which mysteriously you find not even the slightest demonstratio
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Who ever said anything about a death list? He was talking about why Bill was impeached, which was accurate.
Re: The Freedom to Choose (Score:2)
Can you do me a small favor? Maybe it's big, I don't know. Could you tell me what that has to do with today? See, I am as left as ever lefted. I have no idea how that applies to today. Please school me.
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Post that to the GP dude.
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Sorry, I see that you did. My bad.
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You should put that on t-shirts and sell it to those "Democrats" who always want to impeach presidents when the other party wins the elections...
"Always" is a disingenuous word to use here. We're in unprecedented territory here. [politico.com] George W Bush, the previous republican president, had pretty specific causes [wikipedia.org]. Warrant-less wiretapping, the patriot act, misleading to get us into two wars... We're not talking "He gave us healthcare! THROW HIS ASS INTO JAIL!"
and who demonstrate their love of free speech by doing their best to disrupt and silence those who disagree with them.
The far left wing did shut down a few high-profile speakers at college campuses, it didn't silence them. For that to happen, Milo had to go making pedo comments. Ann Coulter is still spewing her brand o
Re: The Freedom to Choose (Score:2)
Fuck me. I tried hard to agree with you. I was willing to ignore the pedo bit. Then, you did the 'her brand' of hate speech.
No... I don't even agree with the premise of hate speech. Sorry, I am a lefty that still supports rights such as the freedom of speech. Hell, I even support it for non-Americans... But, when you called it her own brand, you lost me.
To be fair, the American left lost me a while ago. However, I want you to understand why. Do you get it, or do I need to spell it put for you? Just in case
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So no, I don't think I need it spelled out, it is crystal clear what is going on. Remember to vote December of 2026 and good luck to you.
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various people got arrested for things like sneak attacks with a bike lock to the head
Again, you're complaining about trivial crimes compared to the murders and hate crimes the right is pulling. If you're going to criticize the left, where's the criticism of the far worse right?
A not inconsiderable number were fake, especially the most notorious
Are you denying that there have been an increase in right-wing hate crimes without any evidence to support that claim becasue some of them were faked?
There have been some accusations from the right wing about leftists attacking them that turned out false, so I guess we can dismiss all the claims about liberals tryi
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Republicans suddenly love Russia, hate democracy, love their president to appoint Russian spies, and use Moscow secured networks to protect discussions from Congress and Senate.
They love how his campaign staff held secret meetings with Russian secret service, and exchanged emails with Russian government hackers.
None of that is backed by actual evidence. You just keep repeating the same propaganda published by biased liberal medias, you're not citing facts.
And I'm sure Republicans love it, that any foreign government can donate large amounts of money/assets to Trump and several already have.
That's a bit rich considering how much money Clinton took from foreign donors. Based on evidence released by Wikileaks, that includes: the United Arab Emirates, Iraq, Turkey, Libya, Qatar, Algeria, Oman. And of course China (which has a long love story with the Clintons), plus the usual: Norway, Netherlands, Canada, etc. Of course none of those contributions woul
Re: Party before Country (Score:2)
For fuck's sake... You make me side with republicans. No. Not one thing you said is backed up with evidence. Nothing, really. There is some supposition and that is it.
The sad reality is that most of the shit thrown at Trump is unfounded idiocy.
I say this as lefty McLeftyPerson. The progressives, and the liberals, have gone straight to retarded. They have gone so retarded that I'd be embarrassed to associate myself with them. Now, when you idiots lose more elections, call me. It seems it's gonna take more lo
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What do you think I will do?
Image of moderate importance. [imgur.com]
Now, which side do you think I'm on?
Re: The Freedom to Choose (Score:2)
I am just having fun with this thread. Shall I talk about Nepal?
Because of the way their visas work, it doesn't cost a whole lot to go to Nepal. By the way, Nepal has a bunch of crazy import and export restrictions. They WILL examine your electronic devices for messages, including those that are considered subservient and are posted online or by email.
Keep in mind, I love Nepal. I have been there twice, once for an extended visit.
Now, the longer your in Nepal, the more it will cost you. If you want to climb
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