Facebook Lets Advertisers Target Insecure Teens, Says Report (cnet.com) 118
An anonymous reader shares a report: Leaked documents from Facebook's team in Australia allegedly show the social giant's ability to help advertisers target teens who feel "worthless." The documents, first revealed by The Australian, say Facebook can spot when teens "need a confidence boost." The documents reportedly get even more specific, saying Facebook's algorithm can pinpoint when teens feel "useless," "stressed," "failure," "silly," "stupid," "worthless" and "defeated." Using Facebook's tools as well as image recognition, advertisers would be able to find teens in some of their lowest moments -- and then target ads to them. The leaked documents also detailed how advertisers could use Facebook's algorithms to find teens who were interested in "working out and losing weight" and promote health products, according to The Australian. Facebook's team in Australia was reportedly looking to capitalize on 6.4 million teens who use the social network in their region.
ha ha, jokes on them (Score:2, Insightful)
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Re:ha ha, jokes on them (Score:5, Funny)
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An AC already said this, albeit less clearly, but: the reason people don't is that they get great value from Facebook. So no, it's not as simple as just delete your account. The true cost of doing this is high.
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But what's the replacement going to be? Diaspora?
People use Facebook for a reason.
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It's not that this stuff can't be done with web forums+email+SMS, but that Facebook does it all, and does it with a smooth UI.
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It's the Blue Whale 50 steps program to security
LOL (Score:1)
Tech site slashdot rendered in 1990's style due to "the cloud" hosting service using a test certificate. Oh the irony:
a.fsdn.com uses an invalid security certificate.
The certificate is only valid for *.test.edgekey.net
Targeting teens to sell healthy living services? (Score:2)
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Because there's no chance that advertisers, paragons of virtue that they are, would target teenagers with a the same deluge of spam
The whole point of targeted advertising is to deliver ads that the recipient is actually interested in. That is pretty much the opposite of "spamming". The reality of social media is that it is ad supported, and if you are going to be seeing ads anyway, targeted ads are better than the alternative.
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The whole point of targeted advertising is to deliver ads that the recipient is actually interested in. That is pretty much the opposite of "spamming". The reality of social media is that it is ad supported, and if you are going to be seeing ads anyway, targeted ads are better than the alternative.
The whole point of targeted advertising is to deliver ads to a "receptive" audience. It has absolutely nothing to do with things you're interested in. It's can we close a sale with this person. Teens feeling isolated and left out will be much more eager for our "Hi, mY name iS alexandria, Me just cum across your facebook page and think we common interests have. Cum visit me at https://xxx.pay.me.ru/ [pay.me.ru]"
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Cum visit me at https://xxx.pay.me.ru/ [pay.me.ru]"
Hey, that link doesn't work.
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In this case, Facebook plus the advertisers are using the same techniques as a typical child sex offender, just a different sense of fucking.
The whole point of advertising is to deliver ads that will convince the recipient (for better or worse) to hand over money.
One time honored technique among the sleezier advertisers is to attack the ego. Convince the person they are somehow defective and failing, then throw them a 'lifeline' that promises to make them somehow socially acceptable. These are the ones who
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http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0701127/quotes?item=qt0290333 [imdb.com]
Targeted Advertising Epidemic (Score:3)
The next headline will be "Target Advertising Causes Teen Bulimia Epidemic".
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Or worse, "Ill-timed handgun advertising causes 1500% increase in school shootings."
It isn't even hard to think of ways that this could be abused. Actually, it's rather hard to think of any use of this that isn't abuse, other than perhaps anti-bullying/anti-depression/suicide hotline PSAs. Pretty much any commercial use of that particular option falls so far on the evil side of the line that I can't imagine what sort of engineers
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The thing about targeted advertising is it's persistence, if you buy or shop for something online then you will start seeing ads for it on every site you visit unless you have an ad blocker. ads for antidepressants and suicide hotlines popping up all over may not have the desired effect
One weird trick to secure your teen! (Score:2)
Disable broadcast of your teen's SSID. Removing wifi access to your teen altogether provides even stronger security.
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Great idea! And then do other things to make them entirely unfit for life, like no sex-ed, give some utterly stupid religious beliefs, limit their education in general, etc.
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Actually, limiting their access to unrestricted (and often hostile) media is healthy.
Restricting their access to critical thought and sex-ed leads to lifelong problems.
As to TFA,
I find it both highly interesting and highly disturbing that they are targeting particularly vulnerable minors. I think the disturbing part is self explanatory, but what if the same algos were made available for free to NIH (in the US, not sure what the equivalent in AU is) and those ad slots were filled with positive messages, sto
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Well, yes, I do agree to that. I do not think it is really doable though.
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So, deciding for them what media they should access (thus limiting their need for critical thought) is good, but denying them critical thought is bad?
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To some extent, yes.
Kids' minds are still developing, their capacity to handle some of the unfiltered bullshit on the internet is limited by hormones, experience, etc.
The "walled garden" approach to life is not a bad thing, as long as the walls are allowed to expand reasonably and not forever remain a tiny cell (which would stunt growth). It's the mental information processing equivalent of keeping them in the shallow side of the pool while learning to swim when you're not there with them, going into the d
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Fellow parent here and I agree. Another good example is gaming. I love counter-strike. I have for almost half of my life, to be honest, but I'm not letting my son play it at this point. Why? Not because there are guns and violence. It's because of the toxicity and language of the other kids that are playing. He's asked me many times if he can play and, just like League of Legends I say no. These communities, just like many social networks, are simply not conducive to healthy psychological development.
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By the time they are teens they should be making most of their own decisions, so that when they are adults they are capable of managing their own lives. When my daughter was 8, I used parental controls. When she was 13, I turned it off. She was ready to see reality unfiltered. Sure, she was upset the first time she saw a video of a cat being tortured, but she also learned that there are some very bad people out there.
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its called optimization (Score:2)
so facebook helps its consumers with optimizing their usage of its product... why is this an issue?
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Because somebody probably envisioned identifying teens sliding toward depression and advertising things at them like study groups, social activities, or other sorts of stuff surmised to help prevent teen suicide and whatnot; and a bunch of other people probably didn't think much of it, thus opening the door to allow marketers to target teens who are likely to do certain things on an impulse.
People in vulnerable emotional states are easily-influenced. Identifying these states is good; using them to manip
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Perhaps not a demographic Gillette ought to be targetting then?
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Advertising is not designed to instantly make you buy their shit.
It's more about getting your product name out there and building reputation.
How many products do you buy, not because they are of the best price or quality, but because it is a known brand?
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Because targeting the weak is something only the truly immoral do? That you even have to ask is showing a significant problem on your side.
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FB the corporation and its customer corporations are not dealing with moral issues of their products, purely trying to maximize the profit motive.
as much as I personally may despise FB and thus refuse to become its product, the Product is willingly and knowingly presenting itself to slaughter.
Re:its called optimization (Score:4, Insightful)
This isn't the result of some abstract optimizing algorithm (yet). A person, or several people, in various marketing departments specifically decided to target insecure minors in order to increase their companies' profits (ostensibly because they are more easily manipulated).
You can claim it's incorrect to attribute motives and morality to corporations and be technically correct (the best kind of correct), but the individual decision makers in the companies don't get off the hook so easily.
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i guess they could feel a moral conflict and thus depression and then perhaps get targeted by their version of therapy providers in similar vein. :)
chance are though no one looks back until they have to, or are forced to, until that time its fun with all the cash hey are pocketing
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And that is just the point. For the foreseeable future it will always be humans that make such decisions. And they can and must be held to moral standards.
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Avoiding thought of ethics doesn't absolve you of responsibility. Why not rob a liquor store while avoiding all thoughts of law, morals, or ethics and see what a judge thinks of that?
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Indeed. As soon as you are faced with a decision that has ethics aspects, you are making a choice that involves ethics, even if you refuse to acknowledge that aspect. And as soon as you react to this decision in any way that has an impact on others, you have an ethical responsibility for the outcome.
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Because pimping children is bad!
Sounds good (Score:1)
That way counseling and help groups like boystown hotline can be exposed to the right group of people.
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gay teens -> Mike Pence's school for wayward boys
&etc...
no, I see no possible problem there...
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And what (obviously hypothetical) product could "remove the teens problem"? I think you are either stupid or a paid shill.
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Devil's advocate indeed, but Vic's Secret does (Score:2)
Certainly some products don't solve the problem they are designed to address, at least not long term. Some ads arw obviously shams. Others most certainly do solve the problem. Obvious example - cars actually solve transportation needs.
Here we are talking about *feelings*. Someone wants to *feel* better. Well that's often pretty easy, at least in the short term. Just yesterday a friend was feeling fat and ugly. She bought something at Victoria's Secret which helped her feel beautiful and attractive. Just wi
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And what (obviously hypothetical) product could "remove the teens problem"?
1. Antidepressants
2. Dark chocolate
3. Pet adoption
4. Social activities
5. Razor blades
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Downside is advertising often does not try to sell the solution but to promote the problem. E.g Spot creams advertise how awful spots are. Unless facebook has restrictions on the type of promotion, this could do more harm than good.
Are there any other kind of teen? (Score:2)
Or do they have a measure of just how insecure or damaged a person is? (That probably requires many axis)
They probably use celebrities as canonical examples;
How Damaged on a scale of 0 to 1.0 Lindsay Lohans :-)
How much drugs abused on a scale of 0 to 1.0 Keith Richards (anything over 0.3 on that scale would kill the average human)
etc...
Considerable amusement awaits when defining other measures :-)
Yes, despicable, but why is this surprising? (Score:2)
I mean, these people are in the advertising business, it does not get much more exploitative than that. The only surprise (maybe) is that they were stupid enough to get caught.
Facebook (Score:2)
Sturdy rope (Score:2)
Worst thing you can say (Score:5, Interesting)
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"you can almost do anything and be anything in life".
FTFY. Now it's not a lie. Also tell them to stop mowing down my lawn. Just because they can doesn't mean they should.
Facebook would sell their grandmother for a buck. (Score:3)
Which is all you need to know to know that your children should not be anywhere near it!
BRB, door (Score:2)
Can it tell which ones are feeling horny? Just asking.
Predatory (Score:3)
I'm glad I'm not part of that stupid facebook abuse.
Almost as if (Score:2)
...when you help foster critical thinking and mature attitudes in teens you won't need to care what specific greedy corporation or social spying network came up with.
It's up to parents to counteract this crap. Women have consumed "fashion" magazines for decades and it has mostly caused them to doubt their own worth, looks etc. Men think they are immune but these days they are sculpting their eyebrows and trying to get a sixpack.
Why? because advertisers know that a chimp without a stick and a can wants t
Targeting young audience not new for advertising (Score:2)
I love these articles like this is something new. Hello? Anyone remember the 80's and the advertising around sugary breakfast cereals? Cartoon characters were the main vehicle there. Buzz Bee Cheerios, Toucan Sam, Diggum the Frog. Oh and don't forget the hero of them all busting down that school brick wall to get kids to drink sugar water, KOOLAID man!
American advertising is one of the most disgusting things on the planet. Someone who has serious brand marketing tell these people. Brands create relat
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