Airbnb Gives In To Regulator's Demand To Test For Racial Discrimination By Hosts (theguardian.com) 251
As part of an agreement with California regulators, Airbnb will allow the government to test for racial discrimination by hosts. The Guardian reports: The California Department of Fair Employment and Housing (DFEH) announced Thursday that it had resolved a complaint it filed against Airbnb with an agreement that forces the company to permit the state to conduct "fair housing testing" of certain hosts. That means that for the first time the San Francisco-based company is giving a regulatory body permission to conduct the kind of racial discrimination audits that officials have long used to enforce fair housing laws against traditional landlords. The DFEH's original complaint -- which had not previously been disclosed -- was based on research and a growing number of reports suggesting that hosts regularly refuse to rent to guests due to their race, a problem exposed last year under the hashtag #AirbnbWhileBlack.
It's my house though (Score:5, Insightful)
Of course there's discrimination. I'll rent to who I want, fuck you!
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Of course there's discrimination. I'll rent to who I want, fuck you!
There are laws against that. Lots of them.
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That's true. There are laws against it. However, that's not how it should be. As the owner of your property, you have the right to discriminate [fee.org]. This is the same reason why the flower arrangement case makes no sense [mises.org]; there is no reason anyone should be forced to buy or sell from anyone. Is that not freedom of association and protection of private property? In fact, the market relies [mises.org] on your ability to discriminate between products and services; labor and renting are only a few of those.
Now, unfair discrimin
Re: It's my house though (Score:5, Informative)
"In any case, anytime anyone practices such âoediscriminationâ in the free market, he must bear the costs, either of losing profits or of losing services as a consumer. "
Often, discrimination pays well.
With nightclubs in particular, enforcing a dress code for the purpose of removing most black patrons can result in wealthier clients, and higher tickets. Some restaraunts get less hassle, better tips, and less monopolization of tables by large groups, as well as fewer dine and dashes. That's why many restaraunts require pre-pay after 10, or won't split the bill for large groups (so they can hold any one person liable for the bill if several run). Those policies tend to mysteriously not get enforced when you have a white family show up.
There's an assumption that when you fire the customer you make less money. That's far from true, and in many cases, the reverse is true. Many "customers" aren't worth it.
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Sounds like dumb owners.
In that case, it would make more sense to institute a dress code to get wealthier clients and higher tickets . . .
hawk
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I cases where discrimination pays well, people are willing to pay a premium to avoid having to deal with certain kinds of people (whatever type that may be). Those people are losing. Maybe the business can make a larger profit by catering to those people, but someone is losing in this bargain. However, as for the discriminated against, they are only losing the voluntary cooperation of the one selling the service, which they have no right to anyway -- voluntary transactions are called voluntary for a reason.
Re: It's my house though (Score:3)
This is the kind of dress code that's used:
http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix... [dailymail.co.uk]
Generally, it's enforced in clubs that have issues with "hoodlums". Clubs that have significant populations of affluent black patrons rarely feel the need. They target saggy pants, wife beaters, backwards caps, "do rags", etc.
It's a way to shift the demographics of the club.
Re: It's my house though (Score:2)
"Where is this? I have never heard of a restaurant requiring pre-pay."
Restaraunts in not so nice areas. I've had IHOP do it, as well as a number of diners.
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A few more nightclub dress codes:
http://media.npr.org/assets/im... [npr.org]
No athletic wear, baggy clothing, and chains.
https://c2.staticflickr.com/2/... [staticflickr.com]
No athletic wear, du rags, bandanas, baggy clothing, or ball caps.
https://thesocietypages.org/so... [thesocietypages.org]
No athletic wear, sideways backwards baseball caps, baggy clothing, doo rags.
http://www.afro.com/wp-content... [afro.com]
Baggy clothing, flat bill hats, chains, athletic apparrel.
Many of the dress codes prohibit "work boots", which is because a lot of black people like wearing Ti
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Oh I love it when Ignoramus Anonymous trouts of free market nonsense.
When is the last time you saw an actual free market? You know, the one with an infinite number of buyers and sellers, perfect transparency, zero handling costs and no barriers of entry?
That's right, the whole free market thing is a purely theoretical model. It is not a real economical theory. It's the economists equivalent to the physicist saying "let's ignore friction and assume a perfect sphere in a vacuum..."
You need to adapt it to the
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When is the last time you saw an actual free market? You know, the one with an infinite number of buyers and sellers, perfect transparency, zero handling costs and no barriers of entry?
I can hear the scraping sound of goalposts being dragged.
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The free market is a summary description of all voluntary exchanges that take place in a given economic environment. Free markets are characterized by a spontaneous and decentralized order of arrangements through which individuals make economic decisions.
(Investopedia)
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Maybe not take a neo-conservative website for definition? Their summary is as short as it is misleading, mostly because they try to get to the point fast and do some handwaving.
Here's a critical article:
http://www.triplepundit.com/20... [triplepundit.com]
But in the end, maybe we should discuss the book, and not the cover?
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You define only one part of the term, the "free". I am less paranoid about the evil government and more about what a market, according to this theory, is. Basically, you are arguing about the friction part, and I'm talking about the perfect sphere in a vacuum part.
That's forgivable as most articles about "free markets" conveniently handwave the actually tricky parts. Talking about government interference and the base evil of taxation is easy and gets you sympathies. Talking about the trick that John can sel
Re: It's my house though (Score:4, Informative)
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Want to keep your rules? Don't use a listing service.
Or create a special listing service only for black people, or only white people.
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Once you use a listing service that opens it to the public then there are all sorts of rules and laws that follow.
Why? You just state that like it's an obvious fact, but compared to "the sky is blue" it does not immediately follow.
Want to keep your rules? Don't use a listing service.
Why? That I need to follow the rules of the listing service, fine. That's part of signing the EULA when you register with it. But why do these rules have to be/contain specific rules? Why can the listing service not make up whatever rules it wants? It doesn't follow.
Rent to whomever you want, but don't advertise it to people you have no intention of renting to. That is what is illegal.
Ok, so add a filter to the listing service that allows the landlord to say "no men and no asian people" if they want, or "only s
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Why?
Because legislators said so.
You just state that like it's an obvious fact, but compared to "the sky is blue" it does not immediately follow.
I dont know how obvious it is, but I've known it my whole life. I knew it when I was 6 years old, so its the kind of thing even a 6 year old learns.
Please explain to us why (a) you dont know what I knew at 6 years old, (b) you are demanding that this knowledge be "obvious" before you will accept it.
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6 year olds know a lot of obvious things that aren't true.
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Please explain to us why (a) you dont know what I knew at 6 years old, (b) you are demanding that this knowledge be "obvious" before you will accept it.
As the famous quote (whose author I sadly forgot) goes: "Common sense is what tells us the earth is flat."
The 6 year old knows that things fall down and break if you drop them. I want to understand gravity and materials science. "Why" is a good question to start.
You are just putting your fingers in your ears and going "la-la-la". I'm trying to understand what this silly racism thing is actually about. We all have prejudices, even though many of us don't admit to them. Why do we have them? Are they still use
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On 2nd reading, last sentence isn't clear:
A 6 year old 100 years ago would have learnt racism, sexism and a dozen other -isms that we today consider obviously silly. He would consider it quite obvious that africans, or frenchmen, or jews, or catholics, or whatever the dominant prejudice in his village was, are inferior people. That women are half-humans. That children need to be beaten to learn discipline. And a hundred other "facts".
What is "obvious" is very much a cultural artifact, much more than objecti
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Still doesn't follow. You notice that there's a break in your chain of logic? That this is similar to the famous joke where the middle of the blackboard says "and here a miracle happens" ?
As I posted elsewhere, I am a racist when it comes to cats, and consider racism a silly antic when it comes to humans, but I am a strong proponent of hearing out even the most silly argument and following its logic, because you cannot engage someone if you don't understand what it is they are actually saying.
Re: It's my house though (Score:5, Funny)
Same here. My last Airbnb customer was from Nigeria, and they stole my bed sheets and all of my towels.
That is surprising. My last Nigerian Airbnb customer was an absolute prince.
Re: It's my house though (Score:2)
There are coax cable locks you can get off Amazon and other places. Hotels use them to keep people from disconnecting the cables.
If you put them on the modem, and the wall, then it is hard to steal.
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I've never used AirBNB, sounds like they don't embrace the concept of a deposit.
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And write "I'm a sheet thief" on all the sheets.
You're assuming that would be a detriment?
I'd think that among some groups, it would just add to the value, as evidence that they took what be owed.
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Also you should probably have insurance as well as adequate proof of said items, these kind of steps would mitigate any risk of theft.
I predict a standard homeowner's policy/reneter's insurance would specifically not cover losses incurred from an Airbnb occupant, based on it being a commercial transaction. And the cost of the correct policy is likely priced for business owners.
Re: It's my house though (Score:2, Insightful)
So how many bad experiences are ok before you start doing things to mitigate those bad experiences? Cause it doesnt appear to be working for him.
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I doubt if any of these people really rent on Airbnb, because people "stealing stuff" and even "trashing the place" are NOT that big of a problem. That rarely happens, and when it does, the replacements/repairs are easily affordable.
A FAR bigger problem is undeserved bad reviews. A one-star or two-star review can cut your bookings in half and cost thousands of dollars over the following months.
I have rented to black people several times, and have never had a problem. They were friendly and quite toleran
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Note to French people: America had nothing to do with Waterloo. That was the British.
You should see how they are to the British. :-)
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Re: It's my house though (Score:3)
As a landlord, I don't care if you all are or not, quite frankly.
I have no problem with not renting to you, if it reduces my risk. The culture of groups you are part of is not my problem.
Re: It's my house though (Score:4, Interesting)
Suck it up.
No. Sucking it up is acquiescence and condoning the behavior. Work to influence others to behave better, and to show you're not like them, because unless enough people do, it will continue to affect you and yours, fair or not.
A black person who doesn't speak up against black people who behave in unacceptable ways is no better than a cop who doesn't speak up against police brutality or a white person who doesn't speak up against racism. You may not be required to, but if you don't, things will not change, and you won't garner a lot of sympathy. If you help sustain status quo, even by "sucking it up", you're part of the problem, not the solution.
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or a white person who doesn't speak up against racism
Or a black person, for that matter. Racism isn't limited to white people.
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Diversity is one of the best ways to end up with racism.
It's a lot easier to think everyone is easier when you haven't actually met other groups.
Re: It's my house though (Score:2, Insightful)
As a racist, I don't have the same morals you do, so it's unfair to hold me to your standards.
Re: It's my house though (Score:5, Insightful)
What I've found interesting is that the industry that will do just about anything for the right price overwhelmingly has an exception by most of its practitioners -- no black men under any circumstances.
By that I'm referring to the oldest industry. And yes, even black prostitutes very often have this rule. However many will make exceptions so long as when they speak to the john on the phone, his voice timber/accent doesn't sound black, as that person typically hasn't been exposed to black culture, which is the main problem in their eyes, and not the skin color.
http://forum.blackhairmedia.co... [blackhairmedia.com]
Here's the most important part:
The strongest proof of this I can offer you is that while most white girls can be persuaded to see a black client if he is well-spoken and/or lives in an affluent neighborhood or stays in an expensive hotel, many black escorts will not see a black man under any circumstances; in the words of Tina (a simply gorgeous black girl who was Flavor of the Month for quite a while), “They’re too cheap, too rough and too full of themselves.”
Obviously, this isn’t true of all black men; I had several black regulars over the years (including a salesman who saw me about once a week for quite a while), and the only complaint I ever had about any of them was that one poor guy tried so hard to make himself agreeable to me that his skin always smelled and tasted like soap! But what about the rest of them? I’m afraid I have to agree with Tina; the majority do tend to be exactly as she described, and I think the reason they are that way has to do with their subculture. For reasons others are more qualified to analyze than I, the typical male role model for young black men is exaggeratedly masculine, physical rather than intellectual and tends toward violence; he is a sports star, a “gangsta” or a “bad-ass” action hero. And one doesn’t need to be a sociologist to recognize that this self-inflicted stereotype is related to a deep current of misogyny in the black community;
That's pretty much all that needs to be said. Unfortunately, if you try to talk openly about this, you're instantly labeled a racist, which is pretty much THE word to use these days if you want to shut somebody up, especially if that person is white, because once that accusation is thrown at somebody, it's basically impossible to prove otherwise.
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Interestingly, on the other hand in porn and swinger societies, black men seem to be quite popular. There's probably a mix of the exotic and forbidden at work, as well as the fact that it's generally a safe environment with other people present.
Thanks for the link. I always find it fascinating how complex and full of different aspects a topic becomes once you move beneath the surface and dissect causality.
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Interestingly, on the other hand in porn and swinger societies, black men seem to be quite popular. There's probably a mix of the exotic and forbidden at work, as well as the fact that it's generally a safe environment with other people present.
I think it's mainly a (perceived or real) correlation between ancestry and penis size. The BBC genre has little to do with the British Broadcorping Castration.
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I currently work at a data center catering to adult websites. Based on what I see as I work, your statement appears to be quite false.
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You can actually confirm this on your own if you'd like.
Go to backpage.com, look at the "women > men" section (it's all prostitute ads) and you'll find plenty of listings that outright say "no black men" or "no AA men". You'll even find black prostitutes that do the same. I've never tried calling any of them, but I've read about people who have in order to investigate this, and the moment they think you're black (i.e. if they can tell based on your voice, or if you just say you are) they'll get standoffi
Re: It's my house though (Score:4, Insightful)
"It has nothing to do with race"
Sure, it does. Race is a conveinent risk-reducing proxy. It's a lot easier to judge someone from their profile pic - if you wait until they arrive to boot them for baggy pants, you're looking at a lawsuit.
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Sounds like you will soon be looking at a lawsuit either way.
If you aren't willing to take the legally mandated risk required to be non-discriminatory, you don't have a god-given right to rent out your shitty apartment anyway.
Re: It's my house though (Score:2)
Legal risk is just another risk to mitigate. As long as one doesn't establish a demonstrable pattern of discrimination, you're not going to get sued.
Re: It's my house though (Score:2)
Back when I used to do Airbnb, one of my nicer guests was a Harvard neurosurgeon. His skin was dark brown like good topsoil, and he wore his hair in an afro. Did that matter? Not one little bit.
However, it freaked out my Chinese-born girlfriend. If it would have been up to her, she would have discriminated against this man. We did not discriminate - our guest had a pleasant stay, we made good money, and everyone was happy.
Just something to think about: In my experience - I've met a lot of people from a l
Sespool (Score:4, Insightful)
Is it me or are all these gig economy companies shady as hell? They treat their people badly, discriminate and generally do things that real non scams can't get away with.
Am I the only milenial that stays in hotels and rents cars or takes taxied when I travel???
Well that didn't take long (Score:2, Insightful)
Re: Well that didn't take long (Score:4)
"Didn't take long for the "internet racist" to show their ugly faces."
Well, sure, there are plenty of them.
"They have to live their lives never being able to openly express who they are, for fear of being exposed."
Not particularly. I'm racist in person, too. I can sit there hiding, or I can work to proselytize. Most people are racist to some degree - it's amazing how people behave when they are in private, particularly if you start with things that they have already started to observe on their own.
"They have to live and work around "dirty" minorities and can never tell them what truly think of them."
The issue isn't that "minorities" are "dirty". The problem is that statistically speaking, there are differences in median IQ between populations, and that culture is a function of that population. As IQ tends to correlate reasonably well with the ability to function in a modern western society, "minorities" tend to bring with them higher crime and other societial ills. Diversity compounds this.
"Their world gets smaller and smaller everyday until the internet is all they will have left."
Not particularly. Have you seen the alt right recently? It's getting more and more acceptable to be racist in public, and the internet is making it easier and easier for us to mobilize, organize, and recruit.
For those of us who want intellectual honesty and race realism, the internet has been a godsend.
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There is nothing civil about racism. Those who discriminate no race or ethnicity are ... bad.
Re: Well that didn't take long (Score:2)
"iq tests are proportional to quality of education."
They can be. That's why they have developed tests specifically to address that. They do things like pattern recognition in order to take the language, cultural, and educational factors out of the equation.
The results are the same.
"so are sats, acts, psats....."
Thos are more so, but we're discussing IQ, not standardized testing. Some of those tests were specifically designed not to correlate so much with IQ, because it harmed certain minorities.
"so your
Re: Well that didn't take long (Score:2)
"Notice how you're alleging 46 million people are responsible for around half of 1.5 million violent crimes, or say 750,000.
That means you'd have to be asserting that each of those violent crimes involves an average of around 60 people."
That's not how math works. If we say that 46,000,000 people are responsible for 750,000 violent crimes, and we assume that each crime is committed by a different person, it would mean that one in 60 black people is a violent criminal, not that each act is committed by 60 pe
Re: Well that didn't take long (Score:2)
You're still not getting it. Let's try with a simple example.
There are 5 green people in the country. There is one act of violence committed by green people.
That does not mean that 5 green people committed the violence. One did, so 20% of green people are violent criminals.
Likewise, with the black population, it's a small percentage of them that commit violent crimes. It's just that it's a) a significantly higher percentage than is present in whites, and b) that they tend to commit more violent crimes.
I
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Look into SAT scores for upper income blacks. Strangely they correlate to around the SAT scores of low income whites. There is something going on more than just income alone.
https://www.jstor.org/stable/2... [jstor.org]
http://isteve.blogspot.com/201... [blogspot.com]
I work with a lot of Africans and blacks. There are cultural differences for sure, many of the africans don't want to associate with blacks due to cultural differences.
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You mean racists like folks who advocate putting quotas on how many Asians are accepted to universities and high-paying jobs because they tend to do better than whites? Affirmative action against whites I can kinda understand. The operating premise being that in the past whites obtained their power, influence, and money partially by repressing minorities. And that the aftereffects of those past transgressi
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If you browse through their listings, the vast majority of properties are listed by landlords doing short-term rentals as a business.
Lets accept this as a fact.
So what? Why even mention it?
What you are doing now it getting involved in those landlords personal business. If you wouldnt fuck with a single mom waitress that is renting out a room for a little extra money, then you also shouldn't fuck with people that do it as their primary income.
Racists or nazis? (Score:3)
Didn't take long for the "internet racist" to show their ugly faces. I almost feel sorry for them. They have to live their lives never being able to openly express who they are, for fear of being exposed. They have to live and work around "dirty" minorities and can never tell them what truly think of them. Their world gets smaller and smaller everyday until the internet is all they will have left.
Why is it that businesses are only required to enforce certain rights?
Equal and fair commerce for all races and religions I can understand.
I can even understand how corner cases crop up where opposing rights come into conflict - not having to make a wedding cake for gay people, for instance. It wasn't entirely clear which right had precedence before the courts sorted it out.
But businesses are allowed to curtail freedom of speech in any way they want. Facebook bans conservatives more than liberals, Google i
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The nazis used to have book burnings, and the situation at Berkeley sounds a lot like what the nazis used to do in the beginning.
The NAZI's raised an entire generation in preparation.
They infiltrated the schools first. Hitler formed Jungsturm and Stabswache in the early 1920's. The former blossoming into the "Hitler Youth", the later into their "S.S."
Fascism comes from the left because it starts in the schools.
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So, how many times have your rented out your house to black people, and how was your overall experience ?
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Plenty of minorities show racism to other minorities. It only becomes a problem if honkeys do it.
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That article is nonsense. I've noticed that it never sounded right to my ear when Obama said 'folks', and I always figured it's because they don't use that in Kenya and he just never got the hang of it.
FTFY.
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Or, just do like most places do and hide it. I can come up with any number of excuses.
So, you still get discrimination, but we have to lie about it. Great.
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Observation (Score:2)
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Because we live in a post-political-correctness world, where you are shouted down as racist, sexist, nazi or whatever if you have a not-approved-by-the-mainstream-police uncomfortable opinion. Some of those opinions actually are some or all of those things, but once people realised that it's an easy way to shut someone up, the labels expanded dramatically. You are now labeled a rape-culture sexist if you point out that "equal rights" also means men have rights. You are labeled a slave-holder racist if you p
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So in a way, the whole shouting match is because the non-racists are afraid to face an uncomfortable fact or two that might shake their simplified world-view.
I think this is a larger part of the dynamic you described than anyone talks about. It's kind of obvious that 85% of what a garden variety "racist" believes is false or unfair, but 15% is closer to true than not true, which makes the 85% seem *possibly* true and believable.
The anti-racists won't discuss, debate or even acknowledge the 15% and go into full-on denial, name-calling, etc, which reinforces the 15% in the minds of "racists", which in turn reinforces the other 85% as likely true as well, further
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When you adjust for income your argument completely falls apart
Not really. There's still a correlation between race and crime, and that's all you need to know when you decide who can rent your house. If it were easy to find out someone's income or socioeconomic status, I'm sure people would take that into consideration as well.
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Doesn't it make more sense to go by site reputation?
If they have been renting enough times to build a good reputation, sure.
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It does, as long as the individual in question has a significant history with the site, and the site takes reasonable measures to protect the integrity of their rating system.
"If a black guy has lots of good Airbnb reputation, you're still not going to rent to him?"
Generalizations serve a useful role when someone doesn't have history. We often don't have experience with which to judge a person, so we have to generalize based on what we are able to judge of a person.
Once we have good enough data on a person
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Imagine people with your colour eyes statistically committed more crimes. You try your best to be a good person, to better yourself, to get on in life... But doors keep slamming in your face.
You apply for jobs you are well qualified for, but don't even get an interview. Eventually you find somewhere but they want to pay you less than your graduate friends. And you can't take it anyway, because no one will rent to you.
Would you accept that as fair, or would you want the law changed to stop it? What would you
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Would you accept that as fair
Depends. Statistically speaking, it's a fair response. Individually speaking, it's not.
I'm a guy. Sometimes I walk through the park at night. Sometimes there happens to be a woman walking in front of me. She gets nervous, because there's a guy walking behind her. It's not fair, but I can't blame her.
Re:idiotic (Score:5, Insightful)
Imagine people with your colour eyes statistically committed more crimes.
ok I am now imagining that the hazel eye gene is significantly correlated with crime statistics.
You try your best to be a good person, to better yourself, to get on in life... But doors keep slamming in your face.
Smart people slamming those doors. I havent forgotten about the statistical significance yet, have you? Lets see.
You apply for jobs you are well qualified for, but don't even get an interview. Eventually you find somewhere but they want to pay you less than your graduate friends. And you can't take it anyway, because no one will rent to you.
If nobody will rent to me, then that statistical significance must be really significant. Hazel eyed people are apparently the scourge of the earth in the world you have me imagining.
Would you accept that as fair...
no
or would you want the law changed to stop it?
no
Did you realize that a false dichotomy doesnt make your point?
Did you realize that you clearly forgot about the statical significance aspect of the whole thing?
Rational people act on statistical significance. Rational people can also make an argument without resorting to a logical fallacy.
What would you do at that moment?
Life isn't always fair. Deal with it.
Beyond the narrative here, this is government thugs interfering with things for their own personal benefit. You know whats better than Hotel lobbyists giving you free shit so that you go after AirBnB? Better than that is forcing AirBnB into the lobbyist game at the same time.
You should be talking about the oppressive zoning laws throughout much of California, but you are talking about fairness while painting a clever picture that attempts to provoke empathy, and you punctuate that story-time by invoking a logical fallacy, and that fallacy itself is strongly suggesting that you think that people should be forced by government to do the opposite of what a rational person would do, which is to pay close attention to statistically significant data and act in accordance with it.
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The logical fallacy is that you assume that eye colour is an indicator of likely behaviour. It's not, correlation is not causation and you have a right to be treated as an individual.
Consider for a moment that the very basis of our legal system is "innocent until proven guilty". What you are arguing is that because of statistics the system should be weighted to assume people with hazel eyes require a lower standard of proof to convict. That's essentially what black people face now, and it's fundamentally un
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"Imagine people with your colour eyes statistically committed more crimes."
Ok. That's easy. I'm Mexican, so we do statistically commit more crimes. I'm relatively light skinned, though, so in the winter I'm generally seen as white.
"But doors keep slamming in your face"
Ok. I support the right of voluntary association and don't want anyone forced into doing business with me.
"You apply for jobs you are well qualified for, but don't even get an interview."
Oh, so like when I was qualified and able to legally
Re: idiotic (Score:2)
The example I was replying to (eye color) was legal to discriminate against. It's actually illegal to discriminate on the basis of immigration status.
In the US, the I-9 form specifically states that even discrimination on the basis of a future date may be illegal discrimination, and employers are required to post posters saying "if you have the right to work, don't let them take it away".
It shouldn't be illegal, but it is.
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If you look at blacks, and you look at whites...
Then the whites will have a light blue tinge for a few seconds. Complementary colors, and all.
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"Yet, black people still get pulled over more"
Evidence-based policing. Profiling works, and there are certain traits that tend to get one pulled over, because they have an excuse (or make one) and are looking for other crimes.
I used to drive a large tinted van with limo tint and plates from a southern state. I'd get pulled over all the time because they thought I was running drugs. I wasn't, but I fit the profile. I'd be told that my license plate light was out, then go to replace it and it wasn't broke
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"they're making false reports by misidentifying race"
Well, yes, but part of that is because they didn't have any races other than white and black for some time in the crime reports. As such, a lot of the crimes were lumped in with white that shouldn't be.
They have gotten better about reporting, and that's part of why the white rate has gone down, and the minority rate has gone up. It's still an issue, though, because departments are still pressured to make it look like they are less racist, and not all de
Tricky one this is (Score:2)
Wow, that's going to clash.
On the one hand, yes racism is stupid and backwater countryside last-century silly.
But on the other hand, this isn't some hotel room, this is, for many people, theirs home (or holiday home, or whatever). They should be able to decide who to let in, based on whatever criteria they want, including racism, sexism and I-don't-like-people-in-suits.
We will see these kind of things happening more and more as the "gig economy" blurs the line between the private and the business world.
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Rampant racism can KILL Airbnb. Besides, racism doesn't belong in a civilized society.
Re:My house (Score:4, Interesting)
leave it to California to add retarded regulation to anything. Their district 9 judges need to fist themselves for their unconstitutional over rules. Sorry your state is filled with a fuckton of whackjobs, it shouldn't have a say in one thing. Welfare state, you're beneath me and your so called population.
So you think the Ninth Circuit consists covers just California? There's 8 other states and 2 other territories that disagree with you. The full Ninth Circuit consists of
Ninth Circuit Districts
1. Alaska
2. Arizona
3. Central District of California
4. Eastern District of California
5. Northern District of California
6. Southern District of California
7. Guam
8. Hawaii
9. Idaho
10. Montana
11. Nevada
12. Northern Mariana Islands
13. Oregon
14. Eastern District of Washington
15. Western District of Washington
https://www.ca9.uscourts.gov/j... [uscourts.gov]
So when you talk about whack jobs you need to be a bit more specific. Because whack jobs from California are a totally different breed to the whack jobs from Montana.
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I'm only accepting Aryans in my house. Exceptions can be made for attractive females of other races.
The word "Aryan" refers to a person of Persian descent.
The more you know...
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In Persian it does.
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I have been a landlord - and I applaud California's decision. Because it won't make it more difficult to rent to people who cause problems. It will make it more difficult for racist assholes, but I view that as good thing myself.
Seriously? You can't grasp why people would tolerate a government that makes life difficult for narrow minded intoleran
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You don't have a right to my property.
I have to laugh at this. Of course he does, through force of law. You essentially rent the land through property taxes, and you have to abide by zoning rules and ordinances. You have to meet certain standards with your construction, and the house must be serviced by certain kinds of utilities to be rated habitable. And if you want to enter the commercial sphere you have to follow the rules of the market.
None of what I said is even remotely controversial or new, and if you disagree with that it is you who ar
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actually it was the collectivist/Marxist special snowflakes that pushed
You have an interesting read on history. That is, you haven't read it. Zoning did not arise from Marxists.
Those laws are unconstitutional
Actually, zoning, property taxes, and even eminent domain have all been tested in court. They are constitutional.
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They will catch you out by submitting very similar fake profiles with only the race and name as significant differences. Or with statistics, because a 90%+ refusal rate for black people is pretty hard to justify to a jury of your peers.
What do you do about the bad white people?
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In this ruling, discrimination means discrimination based on a protected factors (race, religion, gender, sexual orientation etc). Landlords are free to discriminate however they want, so long as it isn't relating to those factors.
How about refusing rental to "men wearing multiple chains", "men wearing baggy pants", "women with painted fingernails exceeding 1 cm", "women wearing deaf pants", or anyone saying "dese" or uses double negations?
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"Some people, not me, claim that genetics is involved too."
People have been trying for forty years to claim that it's not genetics. It's largely genetics.
https://www1.udel.edu/educ/got... [udel.edu]
Culture is heavily influenced by genetics.