Richard Stallman Acknowledges Libreboot Is No Longer A Part of GNU (gnu.org) 397
Libreboot became an official GNU project in May. Now an anonymous Slashdot reader writes:
Richard Stallman has officially announced that Libreboot is no longer a GNU package. The maintainer of Libreboot had tried to leave the GNU project in September 2016, but the departure was not acknowledged until January 2017. Libreboot is a replacement for proprietary BIOS systems, effectively a distribution of coreboot without any binary blobs and adding an automated build/install process.
In the post titled "Goodbye to GNU Libreboot," Stallman wrote that "When a package's maintainer steps down, that doesn't by itself break the relationship between GNU and the package. If it is left without a maintainer but is still useful, the GNU Project will usually look for new maintainers to work on it. However, we can instead drop ties with the package, if that seems the right thing to do.
"A few months ago, the maintainer of GNU Libreboot decided not to work on Libreboot for the GNU Project any more. That was her decision to make. She also asserted that Libreboot was no longer a GNU package -- something she could not unilaterally do. The GNU Project had to decide what to do in regard to Libreboot. We have decided to go along with the former GNU maintainer's wishes in this case, for a combination of reasons: (1) it had not been a GNU package for very long, (2) she was the developer who had originally made it a GNU package, and (3) there were no major developers who wanted to continue developing Libreboot under GNU auspices."
In the post titled "Goodbye to GNU Libreboot," Stallman wrote that "When a package's maintainer steps down, that doesn't by itself break the relationship between GNU and the package. If it is left without a maintainer but is still useful, the GNU Project will usually look for new maintainers to work on it. However, we can instead drop ties with the package, if that seems the right thing to do.
"A few months ago, the maintainer of GNU Libreboot decided not to work on Libreboot for the GNU Project any more. That was her decision to make. She also asserted that Libreboot was no longer a GNU package -- something she could not unilaterally do. The GNU Project had to decide what to do in regard to Libreboot. We have decided to go along with the former GNU maintainer's wishes in this case, for a combination of reasons: (1) it had not been a GNU package for very long, (2) she was the developer who had originally made it a GNU package, and (3) there were no major developers who wanted to continue developing Libreboot under GNU auspices."
How to get it in future? Where is it lodged? (Score:2)
If not in GNU system, would the maintainer please advise where they have lodged the source code for download.
Re:How to get it in future? Where is it lodged? (Score:5, Informative)
https://libreboot.org/ [libreboot.org] -> points to https://notabug.org/vimuser/li... [notabug.org] for the source code,...
Re:How to get it in future? Where is it lodged? (Score:4, Informative)
Um - https://libreboot.org/
Also there is more information as to why libreboot left the GNU. From their site - 'Libreboot left GNU on 2016-09-15, in protest of transgender discrimination at the FSF'.
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Um - https://libreboot.org/
Also there is more information as to why libreboot left the GNU. From their site - 'Libreboot left GNU on 2016-09-15, in protest of transgender discrimination at the FSF'.
Not surprising.
FSF is pretty close-minded - "my way is always right!"
It even includes technical issues, too. Glibc fork() is not async-signal-safe per POSIX? [sourceware.org] Even though BSD and Solaris and AIX have no problem making fork() asynch-signal-safe, GNU folks go with "WONTFIX" and try to lobby to water down the POSIX standard because it sets too high a bar for them.
Re:How to get it in future? Where is it lodged? (Score:5, Interesting)
Um - https://libreboot.org/ [libreboot.org]
Also there is more information as to why libreboot left the GNU. From their site - 'Libreboot left GNU on 2016-09-15, in protest of transgender discrimination at the FSF'.
Having read it... That's... an interesting interpretation of events. You'll note the complete lack of evidence in it? That's important.
Here's what actually happened, based on what evidence I could find. Leah Woods is a SJW who had a fit because of some made up bullshit that boils down, like all made up SJW bullshit, to "Open Source is a meritocracy, but we still want special treatment."
Here's a well sourced discussion on it on Kotaku In Action, the GamerGate reddit board:
https://www.reddit.com/r/Kotak... [reddit.com]
And some discussion over on reddit's linux board:
https://www.reddit.com/r/linux... [reddit.com]
Basically, Leah Rowe had a fit because the FSF parted ways with a transgendered employee.
Leah makes the unfounded claim that the FSF did this because the person has a mental illness (gender dysphoria / gender identity disorder), because someone wrote criticism of said person with mental illness which looked bad on the FSF, etc. She provides no evidence of these VERY specific claims.
http://archive.is/iXIbc [archive.is]
The FSF make a statement on 9/16 pointing out that they have a strong anti-harassment and anti-discrimination policies, as well as a so called "safe space policy" at FSF events. In other words, they have already capitulated to all the standard Regressive Leftist demands. They deny the accusation and say the person with mental illness was terminated for other reasons.
https://archive.is/HGLMa [archive.is]
Leah specifically follows up this claim here, changing her claim to a different claim that two FSF employees were "transphobic" and "bullying" this mentally ill developer. She namedrops these two people, but refuses to namedrop the supposed victim, believing they deserve protection from any criticism or questioning of these claims. Note that this apparently does not apply to the two men she is accusing without any form of evidence of unprofessional and possibly illegal behavior.
https://archive.is/7cXtw#selec... [archive.is]
She follows this up with more increasingly unhinged spam and unfounded accusations. She ignores, bans, or curses out people requesting evidence or disputing her one woman lynch mob. She posts an unhinged screed on her website showing she has little to no understanding of open source, all while repeating the same unfounded claims, as well as claiming martyrdom on her part.
https://archive.is/JmiTG [archive.is]
It's important to note that libreroot is a fork of Coreboot and being part of the GNU project means it was posted under an open source license. Which means someone could easily fork it again and put it BACK in the GNU project. Of course, proving she doesn't understand the first thing about open source, she specifically wants people NOT to do that. I suggest the name cisLibreBoot, because it seems the most amusing name possible.
Fortunately, the GNU mailing list appears to basically shut her histrionics down fairly quickly:
http://archive.is/di974 [archive.is]
In addition, it's important to realize the unhinged professional victimhood martyrdom ravings of Leah Rowe, which are REMARKABLY similar to other social justice activists such as Brianna Wu or Nora Reed, don't actually represent the Libreroot community. See, it turns out, what she did was steal access to the main repository and lock out everyone else, all while making her unhinged, evidence-free stat
Regressive Leftist? (Score:2)
And WTF else should the FSF have done? Yeah, the author of libreroot over reacted and is likely a bit of a nutter. That's no reason for you to take pot shots and the FSF, liberalism and anti-discrimination policies in general. Or did you think nobody would notice that little tidbit in the rest of your post?
Re:Regressive Leftist? (Score:4, Insightful)
What exactly are leftists regressing too? Or is this another case of someone from the right wing trying to paint the left with their own brush ala Karl Rove?
First off, I'm a liberal. Voted for Hillary, although my heart belonged to Bernie. I'm not afraid of Trump, though, so I'm apparently not a very good liberal.
Second. Regressive Left is a play on the term "Progressives." Because the authoritarian post-modernist critical theory (read: marxist) nutjobs who are behind the Progressive movement are anything BUT progressive.
They want to set up segregation again, this time under the theory that they'll choose who gets the good water fountains. http://www.thecollegefix.com/p... [thecollegefix.com]
They want to discard the magna carta and the foundations of our legal system -- because some pink haired "Gender Diversity Officer" should have more of a say than the police in rape accusations.
http://www.indystar.com/story/... [indystar.com]
They want to redefine terms like "racism" so that certain protected classes are allowed to be racist, because they don't know any better. Because the people suggesting this are racists. https://www.rawstory.com/2016/... [rawstory.com]
We just saw the US population as well as the UK reject this insanity. The rest of the EU appears to be following right behind. And rather than do any form of introspection and start pushing out some of these toxic, problematic marxist elements, instead we get unhinged conspiracy theories about L33t Russian Haxx0rs.
God save us, because the left has learned absolutely nothing.
(Fun fact: Note that the CIA also confirmed all those emails were true, but we're not supposed to care that the DNC is more corrupt than the GOP now. Nor are we supposed to care that Trump actually bamboozled the GOP into giving him a standing ovation when he talked about protecting Gay Rights. Remember, Literally Hitler.)
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First off, I'm a liberal. Voted for Hillary, although my heart belonged to Bernie. I'm not afraid of Trump, though, so I'm apparently not a very good liberal.
Haha you sure aren't! You sound exactly like a centipede (member of the alt-right). Why would someone who is socially about 16 lightyears to the right of anyone with a D beside their name have any interest in Hillary or Bernie? Maybe you're fiscally liberal, but there's some conflict between being fiscally liberal and socially conservative, which is why it's a vanishingly rare combination.
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Bless you, sir, for doing God's work.
We alt-right can't possibly be everywhere, so we count on the efforts of concerned progressives like yourself to spread our message. I'm happy to report that thanks to the hard work of thousands of people just like you, we pretty much have Trump's 2020 reelection locked in.
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I'm glad you expanded your post because I don't really get what that image is saying. Maybe it's too US-centric for my understanding.
Trump's political positions are mostly a magic 8-ball and it was certainly too early to place him squarely on any political spectrum before the election. He frequently flips his stated positions on a whim. I think we can only judge him by his actions, so we'll have to see what he does when he's finished assembling what appears to be a corporatocratic government. He's putting a
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Your unhinged rant sounds quite similar, in length and tone, to hers.
On software freedom's gift to users & philosop (Score:3)
Thanks for referring to the discussions that occurred when this first became public. The mailing list discussions and changes in the FSF's website make it clear that Leah Rowe is arguing on behalf of someone else—a former FSF employee whose identity was revealed when their bio was removed from the FSF Staff and Board webpage [fsf.org]. The Libreboot project has not been "stolen" from the community as anyone is free to copy the project (before or after leaving the GNU Project) and develop the code further. That
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Hmm Let's see:
* Kotaku in action
* Reddit
* SJW
* histrionics
* Brianna Wu
* Bullying
I call Bingo!!
What do I win?
Re:How to get it in future? Where is it lodged? (Score:4, Interesting)
You calling a transgendered person "mentally ill" sounds no different than the bigots who called homosexuals "mentally ill"
How is your bigotry any more justified than theirs, bigot?
I'm not calling transgendered people mentally ill. I'm saying Gender Dysphoria is a mental illness.
http://www.ifge.org/302.85_Gen... [ifge.org]
http://www.theravive.com/thera... [theravive.com]
http://dsm.psychiatryonline.or... [psychiatryonline.org]
https://www.psychiatry.org/pat... [psychiatry.org]
And I'm right. Sorry, but it's true.
Now, since being Transgender requires Gender Dysphoria -- so called Tumbrina "TransTrenders" aren't transgender, they're attention seeking children -- it's an unpopular, but correct, statement to say that they are people with a mental illness receiving treatment.
Fortunately for me, an "unpopular" opinion is not bigotry, no matter what the authoritarian regressive post-modernists that have taken over the left in the west think.
Re:How to get it in future? Where is it lodged? (Score:4, Informative)
I'm not calling transgendered people mentally ill.
Now, since being Transgender requires Gender Dysphoria -- so called Tumbrina "TransTrenders" aren't transgender, they're attention seeking children -- it's an unpopular, but correct, statement to say that they are people with a mental illness receiving treatment.
So...which is it?
Fortunately for me, an "unpopular" opinion is not bigotry, no matter what the authoritarian regressive post-modernists that have taken over the left in the west think.
Or it just means you're misinterpreting the disorder and blanket-applying it to all transgendered because you're now defending your bigoted views with semantic arguments.
From the DSM-5, used for diagnosis and classifications [psychiatry.org]:
It is important to note that gender nonconformity is not in itself a mental disorder. The critical element of gender dysphoria is the presence of clinically significant distress associated with the condition.
But do go on about your willingness to martyr yourself to the public court by posting unpopular opinions. Let's not let facts get in the way of your sacrifice.
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"gender nonconformity" is a little girl who like to play with toy firetrucks, or a teenage boy who wants to be on the cheer squad, or college women that want to play football. There nothing wrong with any of those things.
There is something wrong when it moves from "i like doing things more typically associated with the other gender" to "I think I really am a..." and there is no present chromosomal abnormality. What could be more distressing than thinking you are in the wrong body, and being willing to tak
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I believe treatment for transvestites is access to clothing of the relevant gender and some privacy.
'trans' is ambiguous; it could be any transgender condition, ranging from transvestite (basically a paraphilic fetishism) to transsexual (gender dimorphism) and including a complex set of varied conditions in-between.
I'm not sure I'd use the term 'cured' to describe a post-op transsexual. They may well be more comfortable with their revised body but my experience is that they continue to struggle with a range
Re:How to get it in future? Where is it lodged? (Score:5, Interesting)
It used to be, until members of the psychological/psychiatric profession were badgered into redefining the illness as being not an illness.
That of course leads us to the greater question of, "What is a mental illness, anyway? And why?". If people can be functional in society, ought we define something as an illness? Maybe, maybe not.
And how far must we go to accommodate someone's "idiosyncracies" before we ourselves are the ones who are mad?
Re:How to get it in future? Where is it lodged? (Score:5, Informative)
"Gender Dysphoria" is not a mental illness. Unless being gay is a mental illness too, which I guess it is by your definition...
Wrong on both counts. It is classified as a mental illness so that insurance companies pay out on gender reassignment surgery, the same cannot be said for homosexuality. I'm afraid you can't just say "I want the money but without the negative connotation".
That is, ultimately, what this is about. They want Gender Dysphoria to be in some sort of weird quantum state of illness and identity, where they can pick either one based on what is most beneficial to them at any given time.
Want to pick and choose what treatment you get? Then it's identity, and you don't "need" dysphoria to have it.
Want to get a shared insurance fund to pay for your SRS and Transitioning? Then it's a mental illness and coverage is required by law.
It's a form of the Motte and Bailey post-modernist fallacy, [slatestarcodex.com] the same one that brings us "crybullying" -- aka, "I'm so oppressed that I'm going to ruin your life for upsetting me."
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The issue is certainly confused by the fact that in some case, male were operated at birth and had gend
Re:You don't know how hormones work, do you? (Score:5, Informative)
And since fucking when did /. mod trolls up? This guy got up to +4 for God's sake... Can we get some mods in here?
He's not a troll. He put forth a reasoned argument for his position, complete with links. You didn't. Instead, you attacked him and assigned motives; you called his position "hating on LGBTs" but nowhere in his posts does he express any kind of hatred, nor is it even implied in his words.
This is one of the most annoying thing about today's SJW babies -- and one of the biggest reasons why society is finally fed up and not taking any more of it -- everything to them is about "hate." Anything they don't understand must be because of hate. People expressing opposing ideas or viewpoints are hateful. Must be so sad to live with such a disturbed worldview.
Re:You don't know how hormones work, do you? (Score:5, Insightful)
No, he set out to deliberately mislead. Compare his text to the content of the links - they are either shitty Reddit posts on well known troll boards, or they don't support what he is claiming at all.
Since I doubt you're claiming that the Liinux Subreddit, the Libreroot Developer, or the GNU mailing list are troll boards, I'm presuming you're talking about KiA.
I'd like to refer everyone to that KiA post again, as it's better cited than anything else I've seen on the topic:
https://www.reddit.com/r/Kotak... [reddit.com]
Does this look like trolling to you? Archived links to primary sources? Really?
Are any of the links I quoted earlier divergent from my claims? That's apparently your claim. Which ones?
I was even called out for literally quoting Rowe's claims of "transphobia" because apparently quoting that word is "scare quotes," despite the term "transphobia" having a shifting definition that amounts to "anything that a Transgendered individual doesn't like."
You know why it's best to "scare quote" that term? Because without any context it can mean actual transphobia -- firing someone for their Gender Dysphoria -- or it can mean something as benign as refusing to use some made up fake pronouns or suggesting there are only two genders. This muddying of the water is intentional -- motte and bailey again.
We don't know what "transphboia" happened there, because there's no evidence about anything that's happened in this event. As far as we can know, the "transphobia" was firing an underperforming person who just happens to have Gender Dysphoria -- as you can't be Transgender without Gender Dysphoria -- under the theory that Transmen and Transwomen deserve special exceptions to the rules. I.e., the transphobic act was firing this dev, for any reason.
Which brings us back to the original topic. Contrast the above with the pile of very specific and legally actionable claims that the original claimant, one Leah Rowe, makes.
https://libreboot.org/gnu/ [libreboot.org]
There is exactly 0 evidence, 0 citations on this page. None. NONE.
Which one looks more like trolling, the one with 6 primary source citations, or the one that goes on for pages making vague claims of undefined wrongdoing, including directly accusing three people of violations of labor laws.
In fact, just noticed that in my re-reading. Here's that relevant part with the names removed.
The following people should either resign and/or be fired from the FSF, to be replaced by other people:
X - executive director - the one who fired the employee
Y - outreach and communication coordinator - the bully
Z - system administrator - leaked private emails to X, which lead to the employee being fired.
I would like to put forth a different explanation of what happened, which is just as valid as Leah's based on having the same amount of evidence for it.
The employee in question was sending emails they should not have been. We could speculate on what they are -- harassment, threats, some form of slurs -- but it doesn't matter. The system admin did an investigation of said user's email -- no doubt after an investigation request by Human Resources -- and sent the information to HR. HR then recommended termination, which the executive director followed through with.
Does that sound a bit more reasonable than "it's all a conspiracy because the biggest open source organization in the world just hates transgendered people?" The same one that just happened to be the target of several faux outrage attempts (Sarah Sharp's fainting couch moment, the Ada Institute's attempt to fake a rape hoax against Linus, etc) in the past few years? Really?
In the end I refuse to "listen and believe" -- translating from neo-leftist doublespeak, I refuse to ignore due process and t
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You ask if the KiA link sounds like a troll. Let's check the headline:
"[SocJus] Leah Rowe, SJW sole git commit owner of Libreboot, rips the project away from GNU for the dismissal of a trans employee. Stallman and FSF deny discrimination, ask for proof, none is offered. Sound familiar?"
Yes, it sounds like a troll.
To you. To me, it's a simple statement of opinionated fact.
Leah Rowe (name, fact)
SJW (descriptive opinion of a form of authoritarian histrionic slacktivist troll, based on her actions and demeanor this is accurate, if an opinion)
sole git commit owner of Libreboot (fact, according to one of the developers of libreboot [zammit.org])
rips the project away from GNU (fact, as she apparently does not represent the entire Libreboot commuinty)
for the dismissal of a trans employee. (fact, a trans employee was dismissed, and thi
Re:You don't know how hormones work, do you? (Score:5, Insightful)
There are people who have too much or too little of what makes us one or the other sex. They are _literally_ transgender.
What you are speaking of in this case would be intersex, but besides that, no. They feel their gender is wrong. That's the definition of Gender Dysphoria. They are _literally_ suffering from Gender Dysphoria. That's a mental illness or disorder. One that's treated via therapy as well as transitioning.
Which we have already established because it is covered under insurance.
I know a few members of the LGBT community and the last fucking thing they wanted was attention. They kept their heads as low as they could for most of their lives to avoid having them smashed in by people like yourself. Your B.S. is more of the "They choose to be LGBT" crap. Nobody chooses that life. You get shit on non-stop by everyone; _especially_ your family. You spend most of your childhood getting the shit kicked out of your.
You heard it here ladies and gentlemen (and sorry, those are the only two genders): Calling Gender Dysphoria a mental illness - when it is a mental illness -- somehow means the following:
* You wish to physically assault and / or murder people suffering from this mental illness.
* You believe this mental illness is by choice, like no other mental illness in the history of the world.
If you question anything, even the most tiny part of the doctrine, you're tossed in with the most hateful people imaginable, because when you have an echo chamber you absolutely cannot have any windows in it.
Finally your opinion is bad for you too. Hating on LGBTs, like hating on Blacks, is just yet another way the ruling class gives you an outlet for your frustrations instead of better pay and a better lifestyle. It's a buffer to keep the working class at each other's throats instead of theirs. They've been doing it for centuries. Grow the fuck up, wake the fuck up and realize who your real enemies are. You've got more important things to worry about than whether some dude thinks like a chick.
I don't hate LGBTs, nor have I said anything to the effect. Any perceived bigotry is projection on your part. And I love the mention of the "ruling class" and "working class" stuff -- surefire codeword that I'm speaking with a Marxist.
Because that's one of the major takeaways from all the shit mentioned in this thread -- the attempts at "safe spaces," giving "normal" the magic word "cis," the demanding that special classes of people such as Blacks or Transgenders get special rights are the result of people taking the same failed Marxist ideas that have killed hundreds of millions of people and applying it to minorities.
Identity Politics is a scam. We aren't a hivemind and I owe you no apologies for what other people with the same traits as I have done, nor do I owe you or anyone a damned thing because of some superficial trait.
And since fucking when did /. mod trolls up? This guy got up to +4 for God's sake... Can we get some mods in here?
Sounds like you need some muscle over here! [youtube.com]
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You heard it here ladies and gentlemen (and sorry, those are the only two genders): Calling Gender Dysphoria a mental illness - when it is a mental illness -- somehow means the following:
* You wish to physically assault and / or murder people suffering from this mental illness.
* You believe this mental illness is by choice, like no other mental illness in the history of the world.
Because some folks have an agenda where they wish to call transgenderism, or people changing their genders as "Normal".
Just
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and sorry, those are the only two genders
If that's not trolling then it's just blatant ignorance.
See also: XXY
See also: intersex (or hermaphrodite)
Non-binary sexual organs exist, non-binary genders exist. Accept it, get over it.
Re:How to get it in future? Where is it lodged? (Score:4, Insightful)
> You calling a transgendered person "mentally ill" sounds no different than the bigots who called homosexuals "mentally ill"...
The _fact_ that gender dysphoria is a medical condition is what causes insurance companies to cover gender reassignment surgeries and the associated procedures. Gender dysphoria is a _real_ _medical_ condition that is treated and treated _effectively_ by gender reassignment surgeries, hormone replacement, & etc.
Gender dysphoria is no less real than schizophrenia or the various flavors of psychotic depression (this is depression, plus delusions like "Every living thing in the world is full of maggots, myself included, and thus I am sad." or "I am already dead. I am literally a walking cadaver. I can literally see and smell my body decay, and -thus- I am sad and I require no food, as I am already dead."). There are treatments that vary in effectiveness from _completely_ to _reasonable_ for these medical conditions.
One is _terribly_ off the mark if one is calling another a bigot for mentioning that a medical condition that has _widely_ recognized and _effective_ treatments that the patients are happy with is -you know- a medical condition.
As a side note: interestingly enough, unlike gender dysphoria, body dysmorphia (the feeling that a part of your body is _wrong, wrong, WRONG, WRONG!, WRONG!!!_) is _not_ responsive to surgical intervention! Either the patient is _unshakably_ convinced that the surgery was botched, and the part is still WRONG, or the feelings of WRONGness are transferred to another part of the body.
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Their health outcomes after SRS didn't look so good in Sweden. A country where people feel guilty about reporting being raped by an refugee because the refugee might be deported, so please don't blame it on society ... they are as liberal/progressive as you can get.
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No.... One person involved with Libreboot (the maintainer) decided the Libreboot community would leave GNU in protest citing frivolous claims of transgender discrimination as a reason for requiring the project to dissasociate with GNU --- That is, unsubstantiated claims, which the Maintainer of Libreboot has personally maintained to have some basis, but which by all rational accounts and published details seem to be unfounded or lacking believable evidence for valid basis.
Since some involved with Li
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Except that the supposed discrimination never happened. The trans women was hired, as an out trans person, worked there a few years and was let go - as happens at times.
The libreboot person decided she was let go because of her gender (she never claimed to think it had played a role) the FSF said her gender played no role and she was let go simply because the job she was doing had become redundant. Sad but true.
So there is no evidence that there ever *was* any trans discrimination - on the contrary, they we
Re:TRANSGENDER discrimination? By FSF? (Score:5, Interesting)
From this thread, https://warosu.org/g/thread/56... [warosu.org], it seems emotions and personalities were more at play than anything else. Gees, geeks and nerds, can not you keep you gaming to, well, actual computer games and cut back on the social and emotional gaming. Yes, a lot of you carry over emotional and social scars from having to deal with jock strap douche bags and narcissist cheer leaders who were extremely jealous and vindictive against people who can actually think, don't repeat their behaviour against your own, chill the fuck out. You win together not against each other or alone.
When it comes to gender choices or mutual masturbation activities, keep it to yourself, people are getting really, really sick of hearing about it and fuck the US Democrats for pumping up that issue as a political distraction so people will stupidly ignore economic policy. Keep pushing this nonsense and you will get some real angry majority kick back.
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Same git repository it's been at for some time, with active development still ongoing. Seems like they just are not pleased with the relationship with FSF/GNU.
Re:How to get it in future? Where is it lodged? (Score:5, Informative)
Update: It seems this is why Libreboot's maintainers were not pleased with GNU: https://libreboot.org/gnu/ [libreboot.org]
Re:How to get it in future? Where is it lodged? (Score:4, Funny)
Whee Gender Politics has reached the FSF/GNU.
https://www.reddit.com/r/linux... [reddit.com]
https://www.reddit.com/r/Kotak... [reddit.com]
Re:How to get it in future? Where is it lodged? (Score:4, Insightful)
The FSF made a blanket statement denying the accusation, but I haven't seen anything more than that. So... that's all we have to go on. If this were a giant corporation everyone hated, like Comcast, would people be so equally quick to simply take a company's terse press release as proof of their innocence? Did they actually do any sort of serious internal investigation? They don't even say. Forgive me I'm a bit skeptical.
Then again, I have no idea who Leah Rowe is, or what kind of person she is. Maybe she's unstable or a liar, and just makes things up. Maybe she's telling the truth. Or maybe her perspective and mentality differs so much from the others at the FSF that the same facts are interpreted in completely opposite ways.
How do you tell who's telling the truth in this literal "he said / she said"? I certainly can't.
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Still, keep in mind that the FSF is two things: it's a legal non-profit organization with board members and a handful of paid employees, as well as a broader community of volunteers, enthusiasts, and supporters. While the latter is the organization that most people are affiliated with, the former means they still have the same legal obligations and responsibility as any other corporate employer.
That being the case, though, you make an interesting point, albeit indirectly:
Something happened, that much is clear, and it got back to Ms Rowe in some form that made her extremely angry.
Whatever happened here, Ms Rowe is
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They're kinda stuck. If they lay out their actual reasons for termination, they open themselves to a big lawsuit for privacy violation.
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Update: It seems this is why Libreboot's maintainers were not pleased with GNU: https://libreboot.org/gnu/ [libreboot.org]
Disclosure: this story is the first time I have heard of this issue.
Although the link points to libreboot's side of this, it still is an eye-opener. TL/DR: the FSF fired a transgender employee on discriminatory grounds, but libreboot unintentionally outed the employee in the first place.
It sounds to me that there are no saints on either side of this issue, but FSF is far more in the wrong than libreboot.
If anyone deserves sympathy here, it's the transgender employee who now faces an uphill battle to reboot
Re:How to get it in future? Where is it lodged? (Score:5, Informative)
Stallman stated, that there was absolutely no reason concerning the gender/sexuality/sex/whatever but some internal reason he doesn't want to disclose to protect the innocent. There is a thread on the mailinglist.
It's hard to say without knowing the internals, but it looks a bit like someone was fired for $reasons and then tried to reframe it as discrimination.
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It's still GPLed. The vast majority of GPLed projects are not GNU projects. According to Stallman this project had only been a GNU project for a very brief time, and the development team for it preceded it being GNU and continues with it post-GNU. So nothing lost except access to lawyers.
Re:Baby and bathwater. (Score:5, Informative)
So, this dude is having a hissy-fit because some other dude wanted to pretend to be a girl, and somebody at FSF didn't play along?
No, that's not what happened, you should read some of the links provided.
A trans-gender employee of the FSF has been fired, no-one from the FSF is saying why, which is probably the sensible thing to do.
The person who has control of the Libreboot project has objected and seems to thing the fired former staff member was fired because of her gender.
Richard Stallman pointed out that the trans person was trans when they were hired, making the objector look bad.
Who cares (Score:3)
It probably only works on a handful of systems that are way outdated at this point.
There is more to this story... (Score:4, Informative)
It seems Leah created a project, joined with GNU, then decided to separate from the GNU, and Stallman is talking as if Leah can't go back to her original project. Is that normal? It seems borderline abusive to me.
"Oh, you want to leave? Well, I'm going to make sure I tell everyone publicly that you have my permission, because I am the one in power, and you are lucky that I am letting you go."
Leah's reason for the split was because of discrimination that occurred at Free Software Foundation, GNU's main funding source. I'm not very familiar with the situation, but at the very least, here are links for another side of the story:
https://libreboot.org/gnu/ [libreboot.org]
https://libreboot.org/gnu-insu... [libreboot.org]
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Since Libreboot is free software, under the GPL anyway, the GNU people could simply have called GNU Libreboot a fork, assigned a new maintainer and carried on with it. That's the thing with free software - you give up the ability to stop people releasing their own version.
I can understand Stallman's position. Libreboot is a really important part of the GNU system, absolutely essential for creating computers that run on completely free software. GNU is diminished by its loss.
The real problem here is that the
Re:There is more to this story... (Score:5, Informative)
[The Libreboot maintainer] Leah Rowe has even spent in excess of 100,000 USD of her own money to have new hardware ported to both coreboot and libreboot, to further the cause. She has spent countless sleepness days and night to keep this project afloat.
That's hardcore. She deserves respect for her hard work and contribution.
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Indeed, without her hard work and monetary contributions there would be exactly zero machines available that can run completely free software.
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I don't know much about the situation, but look at this quote:
[The Libreboot maintainer] Leah Rowe has even spent in excess of 100,000 USD of her own money to have new hardware ported to both coreboot and libreboot, to further the cause. She has spent countless sleepness days and night to keep this project afloat.
That's hardcore. She deserves respect for her hard work and contribution.
If it's true. (I'm not saying it's untrue, just that it's an unsubstantiated, unverified claim.)
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If it's true. (I'm not saying it's untrue, just that it's an unsubstantiated, unverified claim.)
We don't really gain much either way from doubting it, and it is substantiated that she has put a lot of time and effort into the project. So from that alone she deserves respect.
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If it's true. (I'm not saying it's untrue, just that it's an unsubstantiated, unverified claim.)
We don't really gain much either way from doubting it, and it is substantiated that she has put a lot of time and effort into the project. So from that alone she deserves respect.
I agree but... From what I've read here (and other places) Leah wrote those statements herself (in the third person, for some reason) and self-made claims should always be viewed with a certain skepticism. The initial release of the software was in Dec 2013 (three years ago). Spending $100k of personal money over such a short time period is a feat of dedication and, if true, deserves respect, but it seems a little dubious - unless she's really well off financially. As such, the rest of her emotional self c
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Yeap. You are correct. But having a default position of being generous with respect is also good.
Agreed. (and a good point for all parties involved in this FSF / Libreboot kerfuffle to remember.)
Happy New Year.
They got it wrong in the summary (Score:3, Insightful)
It's the other way around.
GNU and FSF do not belong in the libreboot community at this point.
https://libreboot.org/gnu-insu... [libreboot.org]
Let's hope the rich and vibrant libreboot community can thrive again now that the transphobic, intolerant GNU and FSF can no longer oppress them.
Re:There is more to this story... (Score:4, Informative)
According to the Information for Maintainers of GNU Software [gnu.org], a package becomes adopted by GNU FSF when a maintainer volunteers to do so. They could bring in a package they didn't write, as long as the package source has a GPL compatible license. It's also not required to transfer the source code copyright to FSF.
Libreboot was derived from Coreboot by removing the proprietary blobs. Leah volunteered to be a GNU package maintainer and started recruiting developers to work on Libreboot, and not for long decided to step down as a maintainer. There is no rule forbidding Leah from continuing to work on Libreboot without being associated with GNU/FSF. She is entitled to stop volunteering for GNU anytime for no reason whatsoever.
What Richard Stallman says is that a GNU package could be orphaned by its maintainer and often remain a GNU package until a new maintainer picks it up, but in this case he was compelled to make a special exemption to excise Libreboot from GNU. GNU/FSF's role is a librarian/publisher, and the maintainers are more like curators. It makes no sense for a package to "leave GNU" just because the curator stopped volunteering.
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and Stallman is talking as if Leah can't go back to her original project.
No, you understood it wrong. She of course can go back to her original project. The question is whether that will cause a fork, or if GNU would close down their 'branch' of the project.
She cannot force everyone else (or anyone else) to stop working on their own branch of the project, because that is what the GPL (and open source more generally) is designed to allow.
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It seems Leah created a project, joined with GNU, then decided to separate from the GNU, and Stallman is talking as if Leah can't go back to her original project. Is that normal? It seems borderline abusive to me. "Oh, you want to leave? Well, I'm going to make sure I tell everyone publicly that you have my permission, because I am the one in power, and you are lucky that I am letting you go."
Seems completely normal to me. If Oracle unilaterally sent out a press release that OpenOffice has left Apache and is back to being a Oracle project and Apache objected saying you can't just decide that we'd be ready to burn Larry Ellison at the stake. I don't know the truth of the allegations, but whether they're true or false she's clearly a major drama queen taking every opportunity to be butthurt. That leads me to question how much the person fired was fired for bring a trans person and how much she's j
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That's not what it sounds to me, it's more like "I leave and you cannot use my package in GNU anymore" which can't be done because you cannot dictate to the organization you are leaving what to use and since the package is GPLed everybody is free to use it, Stallman just clarified that he removed the package from GNU not because she asked, he specifically made the point that if they wanted they could have kept it (that's one reason why he write GPL and established FSF, for people to be able to use the code
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No project is forced to be GNU, you give up something to get something.
Re:There is more to this story... (Score:5, Insightful)
This is what I hate about these sorts of stories. There are people who will automatically assume "oh, more SJW bullshit" and feel free to pontificate. Then there are people who will assume "another transgendered person is a victim of a horrible misjustice, how typical", and feel free to pontificate. All based on little to no information.
Most of us don't know the situation. We don't know the people involved. I have no idea what the interpersonal environment is like within the FSF. Other than Stallman being quite the odd duck, I know pretty much nothing about any of these people.There's no good context on which to even form an opinion.
wat (Score:5, Informative)
Here's what that Leah person has to say about "the sexist" RMS:
For instance, he once described women who have never used GNU Emacs as EMACS virgins. Leah is an emacs virgin. .vimrc is on vimuser.org.
Leah Rowe is a woman, and she recommends Vim. Her
Personal statement from Leah: RMS's comments about emacs virgins is especially offensive to me. Not only is it sexist in general (and directed at me, because I don't use emacs), but also offensive towards my sexuality. His statement implies that men are supposed to have sex with virgin women, and that women only lose their virginity to men. To this day, I've only ever been in lesbian relationships, although I am bi. I lost my virginity to a woman. I find it extremely insulting when someone assumes that I only like men, or that I'm generally interested in men. The woman that I lost my virginity to also happens to be a Vim user, and she is indeed an emacs virgin, like me.
https://libreboot.org/why-not-... [libreboot.org]
If that person's thinking was a piece of code I wouldn't even try to debug it.
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Re:wat (Score:5, Informative)
His statement implies that men are supposed to have sex with virgin women, and that women only lose their virginity to men.
Where? Where does he ever say that in the one line he stated? He doesn't ever mention a gender.
Additionally the dictionary has multiple definitions of Virgin.
1. a person who has never had sexual intercourse.
2. an unmarried girl or woman.
3. Ecclesiastical. an unmarried, religious woman, especially a saint.
4. the Virgin, Mary, the mother of Christ.
5. Informal. any person who is uninitiated, uninformed, or the like:
He's still a virgin as far as hard work is concerned.
6. a female animal that has never copulated.
7. an unfertilized insect.
8. (initial capital letter) Astronomy, Astrology. the constellation or sign of Virgo.
Adjective:
9. being a virgin:
a virgin martyr.
10. of, relating to, or characteristic of a virgin:
virgin modesty.
11. pure; unsullied; undefiled:
virgin snow.
12. first:
the senator's virgin speech.
13. without admixture, alloy, or modification:
virgin gold.
14. not previously exploited, cultivated, tapped, or used:
virgin timberlands; virgin wool.
15. without experience of; not previously exposed to:
a mind virgin to such sorrows.
16. Informal. being a mixed drink resembling a specific cocktail but made without any alcoholic ingredient:
a virgin piña colada.
17. Zoology. not fertilized.
18. (of a metal) made directly from ore by smelting, rather than from scrap.
19. noting the oil obtained, as from olives, by the first pressing without the application of heat.
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He said it in the speech he gave at the conference. That's why I said you needed to Google it. She was referring to an event you clearly were not familiar with.
Transcription here: http://mjg59.livejournal.com/1... [livejournal.com]
"And we also have the cult of the virgin of emacs. The virgin of emacs is any female who has not yet learned how to use emacs. And in the church of emacs we believe that taking her emacs virginity away is a blessed act."
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But I repeat myself. Where does it say anything about it having to be a male to cause her to 'lose it'?
And in the church of emacs we believe that taking her emacs virginity away is a blessed act."
Does the Church of emacs have a gender rule? Is there a reason Women can't be in the Church of emacs? Your quote expanded on nothing.
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It's safe to assume that the only reason to narrow it to only female and not male emacs virgins is in order to tell the overwhelmingly-male emacs evangelicals that spreading emacs is as good as sex. It's a stupid joke. RMS was no doubt generalizing to appeal to the most common group of his audience in that moment (heterosexual men), which isn't a big deal, although I understand and respect the right of other groups to be irritated by it (particularly women who are being appropriated as a reward for the crud
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He doesn't say that. She doesn't claim he said that either. Look, you even quoted her not saying it:
"His statement implies"
And all this arguing is just an attempt to avoid the actual issue.
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double entendre
doobl äntändr,dbl äntändr/
noun
noun: double entendre; plural noun: double entendres
a word or phrase open to two interpretations, one of which is usually risqué or indecent.
I think perhaps you're being a bit intentionally obtuse, since it's obviously only works as a joke because of what's implied by using that term. No, it's not the end of the world or something to pillory Stallman for, but I think it's pretty tone-deaf to not even acknowle
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If you had bothered to google "EMACS virgins" you might have understood what she was talking about.
Long story short, RMS gave a keynote speech where he described women who had never used EMACS as virgins, and said it was the sacred duty of male members of the Church of EMACS to "relieve them of their virginity".
I think it's a bad joke, poorly judged, and based on stereotypes that are harmful. You can decide if mentioning it now is helpful or not... Rowe mentions it as evidence that RMS and the FSF don't see
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Re: wat (Score:2)
Dude, where have you been? GNU is extremely important to RMS; to a religious extent. The freedom he talks about has no room for compromise. Many don't agree with him but he doesn't expect them to. He stays on the far edge because the principle must.
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Here is a link that regarding Stallman's use of the joke, and a link to Stallman's explanation.
https://geekfeminism.org/2009/... [geekfeminism.org]
https://mail.gnome.org/archive... [gnome.org]
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So the vi/emacs wars have finally escalated to this... there's just too much passion involved in defending one's chosen text editor to expect either side to act decently.
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This is totally off-topic, but how is it that there seem to be so many people who live their lives in an exclusively gendered way (ie, exclusively lesbian relationships, as in the quote) but then make the claim that they are actually bi?
Picture a person who has never yet been in a relationship yet feels attraction. Do you see any problem with them describing themselves with a sexual orientation, even though they have not consummated their choice by engaging in a relationship?
I imagine that the author feels attraction to both men and women and as such describes herself as bi, even though she has not yet had the opportunity to engage in a relationship with a man.
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Picture a person who has never yet been in a relationship yet feels attraction. Do you see any problem with them describing themselves with a sexual orientation, even though they have not consummated their choice by engaging in a relationship?
I imagine that the author feels attraction to both men and women and as such describes herself as bi, even though she has not yet had the opportunity to engage in a relationship with a man.
I buy that line of reasoning for someone who's 20 years old, but Rowe is what, late 20s - early 30s?
What does "not had the opportunity" really mean at that age? It sounds to me like a series of conscious decisions not to have that opportunity or an actual lack of interest.
I can completely understand why someone with any kind of "activist" bent to them would want to identify as bi. It's absolutely the safest political choice and prevents being boxed in ideologically.
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I imagine that the author feels attraction to both men and women and as such describes herself as bi, even though she has not yet had the opportunity to engage in a relationship with a man.
In the quote she explicitly states that she has lost her virginity to a female vim user.
Melodrama (Score:5, Informative)
The Libreboot page is filled with shitloads of rancor concerning the GNU project and the FSF (which, by its victimized tone, I'm afraid to say doesn't make the maintainer's side of the story more trustworthy).
I can easily see why the FSF isn't sorry to see her go. They're probably cutting all ties with the project just to minimize the amount of further drama.
Read it and cringe:
- https://libreboot.org/why-not-... [libreboot.org]
- https://libreboot.org/gnu-insu... [libreboot.org]
She even talks about herself in the third person, even though it's obvious to everybody that she is the one writing it.
They. (Score:2, Troll)
And this:
When the transgender employee filed a complaint, they were fired because the complaint was seen as troublemaking
Is this correct? Is "they" the correct pronoun to use for a transgender person? Are both his/her original and updated gender not good enough? Or maybe that person just identifies as plural?
What the fuck, people. What the fuck.
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"They" is considered to be an appropriate gender neutral pronoun by some grammarians. It's not ideal, but it's better than some of the atrocities that are sometimes proposed.
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When the options "He", "She", and "It" may be deemed offensive, do you have a better option?
How about "they were" -> "the employee was", as in
When the transgender employee filed a complaint, the employee was fired because the complaint was seen as troublemaking
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That is the weirdest way to write.
Not only does Leah Rowe talk about Leah Rowe in the third person, but she has companies talk in the first person.
"Libreboot witnessed this when it left GNU. The GNU project resisted it. Had libreboot stayed and integrated with GNU even more, then it would have been very difficult to leave."
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FWIW I think that companies (and clubs etc) are collective nouns and therefore singular.
* Microsoft is known for a rather off-hand attitude to security in the past. ...
* England is a football team that never quite makes it to the top.
* 10 Downing Street said yesterday through its spokesperson that
* A club/team/company does X
However:
* The greenhorns that Microsoft used to hire had never been bitten by others' bad code so they didn't understand.
* England's players are quite decent.
* 10 Downing Street's spokes
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Related:
http://zammit.org/libreboot-screwup.html [zammit.org]
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I can easily see why the FSF isn't sorry to see her go.
Really, because their actions since September show the exact opposite.
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Have you actually read Stalman's other works other GNU? He is about as far left as you can get. If you got him thinking you are a loon job you might just be one.
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No, you are an asshole by immediately starting to attack me personally, accusing me of things I never did and denying me the right to speak my opinion.
Think about that and how that makes me feel.
Yeah, it's hard to look in that mirror, isn't it?
Re:Melodrama (Score:5, Informative)
To be far, the FSF did issue a public statement: https://www.fsf.org/news/free-software-foundation-statement [fsf.org]
Although it is our usual policy not to comment publicly on internal personnel matters for privacy reasons, we felt it necessary to state unequivocally that the allegations made in that email are untrue.
I doubt there are more than a handful of people on Slashdot (since we know FSF folks do hang out here) who know the actual truth of the matter. Given that, this is purely a he/she/xe said situation.
For me, I'm taking the accuser's story it with a grain of salt.
Re: Melodrama (Score:3)
Well, projects don't just get to leave if they choose. People are welcome to go whenever they want. For a project, an assessment needs to be done if all contributors (copyright holders) wish to leave. Also, the software is GPL, it leaving would only impact future versions.
So the Foundation needs to decide if they want to close out the project, continue under another maintainer, or fork it. Normally, if the license is becoming more restrictive, software like this should be forked. If license stays simila
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In terms of leaving, the main issue was the services that GNU was providing. The mailing lists, the source code hosting. To keep development cohesive it was requested that people stop using them and use the official Libreboot resources.
Note that no-one was calling for a public discussion of the details of what happened, merely for the FSF to take action over it.
Guess that means (Score:2)
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I'm looking forward to the animated splash screen of a gnu being beaten to a pulp (and the ensuing animal rights controversy).
Coreboot vs Libreboot (Score:2)
Let's not talk about Coreboot vs Libreboot... (Score:3)
You could ask [mailto] about their views on Coreboot and Libreboot and you can look up the licensing yourself. Coreboot has non-free software in it which is stripped out in the Libreboot distribution. Let's not talk about "Coreboot vs. Libreboot" as if they're opposed. As far as I can tell, both work together harmoniously whether Libreboot is a part of the GNU Project or not.
Impossible! (Score:2)
If this "reasonable agreement" catches on, it will be the end of the lawyer business.
Much ado about nothing (Score:5, Insightful)
FSF is not transphobic (Score:2)
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And the maintainer of libreboot is going to be dispassionate on the subject? Right...
She was hired with the trans gender on the application form. So not likely they're bigoted against trans, is it.
But the radical left will like it because (a) it's "Tech is sexist!" (b) "Trans is better", and the right will like it because (a) "GPL is a cancer!" (b) "Stallman is a leftie hippie!". So it's really going to be something to unite both the tumblr intersectionalists with the trump tweeters. At least there's SOME u
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Very informative, but you should cite your source. [libreboot.org]
Re:Is this /. post a coverup of the real story? (Score:5, Insightful)
i recommend reading the mailing list thread. Especially the statements from stallman are very calm and peaceful. I would have thought he would be more angry and linus torvalds would have smashed her for what she did on the ML. Stallman seems to be great at diplomacy.