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Macbook Saves Man's Life During Fort Lauderdale Airport Shooting (chron.com) 175

A 37-year-old credits his MacBook Pro laptop with saving his life during a shooting at the baggage claim of the Fort Lauderdale-Hollywood International Airport. An anonymous reader quotes WPLG Miami: He placed it in his backpack, but didn't think of it when he felt an impact on his back during the shooting... When the bloodshed was over, he said he went to the men's restroom and saw a bullet hole on the laptop. He gave it to FBI agents. And he was in shock when they found a 9 mm bullet in his backpack. That was when he realized a gunman aimed to kill him, but the laptop took the bullet for him. "If I didn't have that backpack on, the bullet would have shot me between the shoulders," Frappier said.
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Macbook Saves Man's Life During Fort Lauderdale Airport Shooting

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  • Old MBP (Score:5, Funny)

    by Anonymous Coward on Saturday January 07, 2017 @07:48PM (#53625517)

    Good thing he didn't have the new MBP - would have been too thin to stop the bullet...

    • and it's storage would of been harder to get back / have to pay apple shop pricing to use the there recovery cable.

      • Re:Old MBP (Score:5, Funny)

        by starless ( 60879 ) on Saturday January 07, 2017 @09:36PM (#53625995)

        and it's storage would of been harder to get back / have to pay apple shop pricing to use the there recovery cable.

        Just wondering if you're trying to get the largest number of grammatical/word usage errors in a single sentence possible...?

      • and it's storage would of been harder to get back / have to pay apple shop pricing to use the there recovery cable.

        As opposed to the old, socketed version, that would have just been blown to pieces.

        And, pray tell, what is the Apple Shop price for data extraction using their magic cable?

        • As opposed to the old, socketed version, that would have just been blown to pieces.

          Unlikely, as the disk drive is about 2 square inches. With the new MBP, the storage is soldered on, so if there is damage to any of the motherboard, the whole system is junk. The only way to retrieve the data would be with some kind of special rig, or by desoldering the flash chips.

          • As opposed to the old, socketed version, that would have just been blown to pieces.

            Unlikely, as the disk drive is about 2 square inches. With the new MBP, the storage is soldered on, so if there is damage to any of the motherboard, the whole system is junk. The only way to retrieve the data would be with some kind of special rig, or by desoldering the flash chips.

            Actually, if the owner was using FileVault2, the data is likely toast in either case, I believe.

            But, because Apple makes it drop-dead simple (no pun!) to create and maintain backups with Time Machine (or, if you prefer, something like rsync), and considering the low cost and small size of portable drives, anyone who (especially) travels with their MacBook and DOESN'T have a backup really does deserve exactly what they get.

      • Does Apple even offer official data recovery (beyond copying backup from icloud)? Afaik they dont.

        • Of course they do.
          Free of charge usually.

          In what retarded world do you live?

          • I have a deal for you, Ill send you 10 water damaged iphones, you will recover data from them thru Apple using this 'Free of charge' service I never heard about, and I will pay you $200 per phone.

            Easy $2K, what do you say champ?

            • We talked about MBPs, where the data is on the hard drive. Assuming it is a HD failure and not a water damage ...

              What kind of moron are you? I can construct any case where it is either impossible or out of the "we do it for free out of fair dealing".

              On the other hand, if you have $200 bucks over for data recovery fro a phone with water damage, I can do that for you ... facepalm. However not with a "free apple service" but a payed $50 per unit service ... hope you don't mind?

    • Re:Old MBP (Score:4, Funny)

      by jblues ( 1703158 ) on Saturday January 07, 2017 @10:22PM (#53626197)
      Yes, there would have been no physical escape with the new MacBook Pro.
      • Maybe MacBook Pro owners could get together and sue Apple somehow for being responsible for the death of uh, some people.

  • Yep (Score:1, Flamebait)

    by SuperKendall ( 25149 )

    I've often thought the metal on the MacBook Pro was thick enough to stop or seriously slow a bullet...

    Where are all you Ive haters now? Six feet under, that's where.

    On a side note, it shows why you always make sure you have a full backup before traveling...

    • by Anonymous Coward

      Far more likely is was a ricochet or was slowed by a book in his backpack, a direct shot with a 9mm at reasonable range would mean they were surgically removing macbook pro bits from the bullet wound on his shoulder/back if he survived.

    • I've often thought the metal on the MacBook Pro was thick enough to stop or seriously slow a bullet...

      Where are all you Ive haters now? Six feet under, that's where.

      On a side note, it shows why you always make sure you have a full backup before traveling...

      On another side note, this guy just voluntarily gave the FBI his laptop. Now they can rifle through his files and see if he's likely to have committed any crimes.

      If he hasn't, and if there's nothing personal or interesting on his laptop he's OK, but they might just start a file on him and squirrel away the data for later use, "just in case".

      He might have thought to remove the hard drive before giving it to them, but you tend not to think of these things in a tense situation.

      • On another side note, this guy just voluntarily gave the FBI his laptop. Now they can rifle through his files and see if he's likely to have committed any crimes.

        The article said it was a laptop issued by his school. Not likely to be anything incriminating on it, assuming the storage survived, which is perhaps likely given how small the drives are today.

        What I was thinking about is that he just gave the FBI something he did not own. It's not likely the school is going to bother a shooting survivor over a few hundred bucks lost on a laptop, given that is now quite obviously destroyed and potentially evidence in a crime. A less public incident like this could be co

        • by sims 2 ( 994794 )

          IME schools treat them like the school books as in you break it or lose it or for some other reason fail to return it you get they charge you some rather large and arbitrary number of dollars to replace said item.

          They will not press charges theft charges against a student.
          Thankfully the law allowed us to press charges instead because they CBA to do it.

          End result student with a felony because nobody wanted to repay $200.

          The school could have stepped in and handled it or the student could have repaid the mone

  • tldr (Score:5, Funny)

    by Anonymous Coward on Saturday January 07, 2017 @07:51PM (#53625525)

    For those that didn't read the article or summary, apparently the gunman hated the new MacBook Pro so much that he shot that instead of the man.

    • by Anonymous Coward

      For those that didn't read the article or summary, apparently the gunman hated the new MacBook Pro so much that he shot that instead of the man.

      it was not the new MacBook, that one has the bullet resistance of paper. It obviously was a very uncool, non-current MacBook...

      • it was not the new MacBook, that one has the bullet resistance of paper.

        I take it you've tested this for some reason?

        The article says it was the man's "school-issued MacBook Pro" - so it's safe to assume it was an older model.

    • For those that didn't read the article or summary, apparently the gunman hated the new MacBook Pro so much that he shot that instead of the man.

      Airports... One of the few places on Earth where the Apples' are separated from the fan boys, BAM! the distorted anodised aluminium body of a Macbook Pro slams to the floor, a T420 preloaded with linux thrust into the shaking hands of the owner by the gunman, BAM! the spindly casing of a MacBook Air splits into layers and cartwheels down the x-ray conveyor belt like paper plates, a Dell XPS 13 is dropped into the now empty tray, BAM! BAM! BAM! a myriad of traumatised fan-boys litter airport security clutchi

  • by Anonymous Coward

    Didn't he know you can only put Apple approved bullets in a Mac? Same as regular bullets, but a proprietary shape and size, double the price, and needs a dongle to connect to the shell.

  • It are the same kind of (bullshit)stories as the deck of cards stopping the bullet, or the cigarette case stopping the bullet, or the bible stopping the bullet.

    How many other people at the airport which got shot did have their macbook with them and didn't get the chance to use it as a shield?

    • It are the same kind of (bullshit)stories as the deck of cards stopping the bullet..,

      How is it bullshit if it worked?

      What the MacBook has over most of those items is a greater area it offers protection for.

      How many other people at the airport which got shot did have their macbook with them and didn't get the chance to use it as a shield?

      Probably most, but think of it this way - it offers a concrete reason to sling your backpack over your back if you are running away from a shooting (or slinging it in front

      • by Anonymous Coward

        A truly wise person will carry a Dell Latitude, or an older Thinkpad to the airport. Much better shielding. And in a conflict situation a potential hostage could probably bludgeon the terrorist to death with a Dell Latitude. Mine is quite heavy, and only a few years old.

    • How many other people at the airport which got shot did have their macbook with them and didn't get the chance to use it as a shield?

      Probably 0-1, given the number of casualties.

    • Including Trek actor James Doohan [startrek.com]

    • by eric31415927 ( 861917 ) on Saturday January 07, 2017 @09:30PM (#53625961)

      I'm happy (and alive) because my grandfather's rum-flask took a bullet for him in WWI.
      My brother has the dented flask in case anyone questions the legitimacy of the story.

      • by Anonymous Coward

        I question the legitimacy of the story. Flasks get dented every day. It could have been an intentionally inflicted dent. Also, they didn't have plastic flasks back then and the spiderman logo is also suspicious.

    • by JoeMerchant ( 803320 ) on Saturday January 07, 2017 @09:45PM (#53626029)

      I was thinking how much fun it would be if the bullet shorted the battery...

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    • by Anonymous Coward

      Yeah ... but it happens. Shooting in the street outside my house in SF sent 1 bullet straight into the window casing and another one deflected off the plate-glass window without scratching it, into the window casing in another spot. No, they weren't shooting at me (apparently a domestic dispute with collateral damage).

  • And here I thought Oracle was supposed to be "bulletproof". {rimshot}

    No need to thank me, just throw money!

  • Seriously, did we have to hear the exact brand and type? A solid object that happened to be a laptop in a backpack is what stopped the bullet. In fact, a textbook or a small stack of magazines would have stopped the bullet equally as well. -_-

    • In my mind the story is less about the MacBook and more about the near miraculous survival of the victim. Had it been a book, magazines, or anything else it likely would have still made the news. It just would not likely have made it to Slashdot, that is unless it was some other piece of technology like a cell phone or something.

    • If the bullet wasn't stopped by an electronic device, it's not "news for nerds."
  • Now, had he had a Nokia with him, the bullet would have been bounced back to the shooter, and he would have been hailed as a hero!
  • Whenever I read a story like this it makes me consider getting one of those bulletproof clipboards to put in my bag, or get one of those bags with a Kevlar liner.

    It also makes me think of how we've disarmed good people in "gun free" zones so that they cannot defend themselves against someone that violated that law on not bringing in guns. I'm glad that people are waking up to this and arming school staff, allowing armed citizens into more places, removing impediments to firearm ownership. It saddens me th

    • >"It also makes me think of how we've disarmed good people in "gun free" zones so that they cannot defend themselves against someone that violated that law on not bringing in guns."

      +1

      I am sure this shooting has the anti's lined up to make propose more laws trying to strip guns from good, law-abiding people and create more so-called "gun-free" zones. Because, you know, that evil shooter in the airport really paid attention to the laws.

    • by swb ( 14022 ) on Sunday January 08, 2017 @12:22AM (#53626671)

      The baggage claim area is not a gun free zone. It's outside security and literally anyone from the street could come in with a gun, in addition to someone who had a gun in checked baggage. I don't know if this shooter had actually declared his gun or just put it into his checked luggage (I thought they scanned all checked luggage these days).

      The "solution" to this has nothing to do with gun control or kevlar underpants and everything to do with mental health care.

      This guy walked into an FBI field office claiming the government was trying to make him watch ISIS videos. They thought he was deranged, so they passed him off to local PD who got him run through whatever cheap mental health screening they use for nuts off the street and then he was set loose again.

      The sad story here is that nobody has dime one to provide mental health services for a person claiming the government trying to make them watch videos. This is quite literally tinfoil hat territory, and because there was no money behind him (insurance or private dollars) he gets a social worker with a form designed to satisfy some lawyer's idea of liability. Just how might this have turned out differently if he had been seen by a psychiatrist, talked into a 7 day in-patient evaluation and possibly been given some medication (even if it was just xanax) to get him closer to normal -- or at least seen long enough by trained people to see if he had a more serious long term condition? This guy had been discharged for being a fuckup in the military, so chances are he had a long-term problem.

      So many of these spree shooters are people walking around with sign around their necks that says "I HAVE SERIOUS MENTAL HEALTH PROBLEMS" and we just don't give a shit because nobody will pay for mental health care, so they just roam free. We're not even smart enough to pay for the low-end therapy where they just sedate him in-house for a few days, it's literally a rush to get them out the door before they cost somebody money.

      • by DaHat ( 247651 )

        The baggage claim area is not a gun free zone. It's outside security and literally anyone from the street could come in with a gun,

        Ditto for the area beyond 'security' as all literally anyone from the street walk in with a gun, open fire at anyone attempting to stop them from entering the 'secure' area.

        There are also plenty of less obvious ways to get a weapon into that area, alas for you the dotted security line only provides security theater.

        everything to do with mental health care.

        And that solution is...

      • Re: (Score:2, Insightful)

        by blindseer ( 891256 )

        The baggage claim area is not a gun free zone.

        Yes, yes it is. Florida law prohibits the carry of a firearm anywhere in the airport for self defense. People can and do travel with firearms on flights in and out of Fort Lauderdale but the firearm must be unloaded, in a secure container, etc.

        It's outside security and literally anyone from the street could come in with a gun, in addition to someone who had a gun in checked baggage. I don't know if this shooter had actually declared his gun or just put it into his checked luggage (I thought they scanned all checked luggage these days).

        Reports stated he traveled with his firearm in a manner consistent with the rules on bringing a firearm on a plane. It was unloaded, in a locked container, in checked luggage, and so forth. What he did though was illegally remove the firearm from the container, lo

        • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

          by Anonymous Coward

          I agree in general this freedom makes sense, but if you imagine a scenario like this baggage claim. Let's say a well trained and well intentioned gun owner is nearby, and close enough to his baggage to safely whip out his gun in an instant to help out.

          When the police come in and see not one, but two or more civilians engaged in a firefight, they will now be forced to make a split second decision who to shoot: Which one is the target and which is merely exercising his second amendment right to self defense.

          • Yes, that does happen. This is a training issue for police, not cause to disarm the public. Are you saying that the reason the government should or does ban guns is because the police are too lazy, ignorant, or mentally handicapped to determine who is a threat and who is a friendly?

            I remember hearing of a friendly fire incident in New York City. The police saw two armed men running down an alley, one chasing the other. The shot the pursuer believing him to be the threat. When they got to him and began

        • Re:Makes me think... (Score:5, Interesting)

          by Areyoukiddingme ( 1289470 ) on Sunday January 08, 2017 @04:49AM (#53627385)

          The reason he was so successful in his mass murder is the rest of the people OBEYED THE LAW! In this case the "gun free zone" in the airport existed only on paper. Blood stained and bullet holed paper.

          I thought the laws existed to keep us safe, no?

          No, they don't. They exist to improve the chances of safety. They do not create total safety. Neither do guns. Black and white thinking is nearly always wrong. (See what I did there?)

          And no, the reason he killed five people was NOT because the rest of the people obeyed the law. It was because the rest of the people were cowards, ignorant, or both, and ran, hid, or otherwise did 100% the wrong thing.

          Run from a knife, charge a gun. If everybody within earshot dogpiled on him after they heard the very first shot, they could have cut the number of fatalities to as little as none. Maybe one. Maybe two. Definitely much less than five.

          Shit, he was using standard hand gun magazines. He RELOADED TWICE. Stopping him before he used every round did not even require physical bravery. Anybody could have waited until he was reloading, then jumped him, with zero chance of getting shot. And any asshole who has played CounterStrike, or a zombie shooter, or shit, watched the fucking Lone Ranger knows that you can't get shot when somebody is reloading.

          So no, the "gun free zone" is not the problem. Having guns everywhere is not the solution. Teaching people what to do is the solution. Bravery is the solution. The false bravery of a concealed carry "hero"? No, we don't need more of that.

          • by AmiMoJo ( 196126 )

            Unfortunately, even if you could get this message out to everyone, the natural human reaction to danger is to move away. From flinching away from pain to running from sudden sounds, it's hard wired in by evolution.

            The only way to overcome it is with military style training, getting people used to gunshot sounds and running towards people shooting at them. I doubt many people will be willing to go through that.

            A more practical solution would be free mental healthcare to prevent the shooters ever getting to t

            • A more practical solution would be free mental healthcare to prevent the shooters ever getting to that stage.

              Eureka!!!!

              It always amazes me that the most simple thing we can do to stop all the violence committed by mentally disturbed individuals is to provide appropriate treatment and make sure all Americans have incredibly easy access to it. It would also help if we immediately took away firearms from the possession of anyone who is hearing voices pending a court hearing on the subject where the matter can be properly adjudicated.

              If someone wonders how we will pay for it I would remind them that we spend abo

            • Unfortunately, even if you could get this message out to everyone, the natural human reaction to danger is to move away. From flinching away from pain to running from sudden sounds, it's hard wired in by evolution.

              The only way to overcome it is with military style training, getting people used to gunshot sounds and running towards people shooting at them.

              That may be true, but there's no evolutionary response to gunfire. It hasn't existed long enough.

              Yes, people are accustomed to gunshot sounds. Hollywood gunshot sounds. They are accustomed to gunshot sounds that sound a lot scarier than real gunshots. The pop of a real pistol or the crack of a real rifle are almost unrecognizable to most modern people. The T-800's gunshots in Terminator 2 were famously a combination of a manipulated sound of a .38 pistol being fired, a rifle being fired in a canyon, a

          • Clearly evidenced by the subject of this article being shot in the back as he was fleeing. Only saved by the macbook in his backpack.

        • Re:Makes me think... (Score:4, Interesting)

          by AmiMoJo ( 196126 ) on Sunday January 08, 2017 @09:27AM (#53627883) Homepage Journal

          The reason he was so successful in his mass murder is

          because of lack of affordable mental healthcare and easy availability of guns.

          It's the exact same thing every time in the US. Guy with mental health problems has access to guns.

          Good guys with guns won't help much. It's an airport, there were cops and security staff with guns in the area. By the time they got there he had already discarded his weapon, laid on the floor and and was waiting to be arrested. If one of the civilians in the area had been armed, at best we would have maybe one or two fewer victims and a dead suspect.

  • by magarity ( 164372 ) on Saturday January 07, 2017 @09:55PM (#53626065)

    Now his nightmare begins; trying to get a replacement from the school he works for and not getting charged for breaking it.

  • Am I the only one to sense that the OP was subliminally hinting that had it been a Chromebook, Dell or an Asus, (not to even think of what might have been different with a Microsoft Surface) the owner might not have been so lucky...?

    And if this was not the intent, why did they have to use the laptop's brand in the title rather than just say it was a portable computer of some sort with an aluminum body?
  • IBM keyboards have been able to stop bullets for about 40 years now.

  • and the bullet stopped at the signature of Steve Wozniak on the inside of the case.
  • So what. A thinkpad might have saved his life. Or a hardcover book. Or just about anything one might find in a backpack. This isn't some testament to the quality of macs.
  • They've always suspected body-armor [ar15.com] — if you have one, you must be up to no good [thehighroad.org]. And laptops always took extra scrutiny of their own — easy to conceal a bomb in one.

    Now it is going to be double-trouble for anyone traveling with it...

  • This is why I should purchase extended warranties.
  • Shit, should have invested in a Toughbook. Or will plastic's viscosity slow bullet down to survivable speeds?

  • by Anonymous Coward

    New MacBook continues to take flak...

  • Tempted to say: "and nothing of value was lost".

    On the other hand, looks like we finally found a use for Mac hardware!

    (I have on my asbestos underpants...waiting for the Apple fans to show up...)

    • Nah, we're compassionate, we just smile superiorly at such ignorance.

      And do you know that asbestos causes cancer?

  • ...the prosecution plans to use the gunman's slaughter of a Macbook as proof that he's sane enough to stand trial.

  • Praise the Saint Steve Jobs. A miracle, I tell ya, a true miracle!
    I might buy 2 macbooks, one for the back, and another for the torso.

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