Hulk Hogan Settles With Gawker For $31 Million (go.com) 156
Gawker Media, which filed for bankruptcy after losing a lawsuit brought by the former professional wrestler Hulk Hogan, has settled the case. The settlement, which court documents indicate is for $31 million, comes less than eight months after a jury awarded Mr. Hogan $140 million in damages in an invasion of privacy case lawsuit over Gawker's publication of a video that showed Hogan having sex with a friend's wife. From a report on ABC: Settlement documents filed at a New York federal bankruptcy court stipulate that Hogan, whose real name is Terry Bollea, will get $31 million plus share with other creditors 45 percent of any additional funds that come into the bankruptcy court by virtue of third-party claims brought by Gawker. Hogan's camp said in a statement: "After almost five years of litigation all parties agreed it was time to resolve this matter. This will allow people to go about their lives and concentrate on things more important than continued court proceedings. As in any case involving negotiation all parties give-and-take. We would like to thank everyone involved in the process." In a blog post on the settlement, Nick Denton, the founder of Gawker Media, wrote: "After four years of litigation funded by a billionaire with a grudge going back even further, a settlement has been reached. The saga is over."
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just because someone has something doesnt mean if they are wronged they should just deal with it
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Actually, Gawker published the video after their divorce.
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So right, let's execute shoplifters for stealing food from supermarkets, because the corporations that own the supermarkets have been wronged, and they shouldn't have to just deal with it like shoplifting is a cost of doing business.
You don't execute shoplifters, but sometimes they get prosecuted, or at least they face a legal penalty. This judgement came down due to the severity of damage (Hogan's reputation and privacy loss), but far more than that, because of Gawker's willfulness and public mocking of court orders they refused to follow. Do that, and punitive damages will be high.
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There aren't any laws against adultery, however there are laws against privacy violations.
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There aren't any laws against adultery, however there are laws against privacy violations.
Actually it is illegal in 21 states.
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Adultery is illegal in my state, although if anyone tried to enforce that law it would be struck down so fast.
What's interesting is that adultery is when a married woman has sex with someone she's not married to. I can go out and screw all the young unmarried woman I physically can and not commit adultery.
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I too believe people who do wrong should receive no mercy. Execute all jaywalkers!
Execution's too quick.
Send the jaywalkers to Gitmo!
You need to shut up. (Score:1, Funny)
You're making me way horny. And I can't be distracted by arousal while I'm working. Mrs. Clinton isn't going to win this election all by herself.
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Re:Poor Nick Denton (Score:5, Funny)
A pillar of the journalistic community has fallen. Now if only the rest of the rags in that collective of cybertrash would.
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His company was destroyed because he ignored the law. Let's all feel sorry for him.
Well, let's see how ignoring the law works for, let's say, Clinton. Hmm... perhaps some animals are more equal than others?
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Well, let's see how ignoring the law works for, let's say, Clinton. Hmm... perhaps some animals are more equal than others?
Well that depends on who you Americans vote for in the next what? 7-8 days...doesn't it. Then again, if you elect Hillary, you could see the first women president impeached too.
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Well that depends on who you Americans vote for in the next what? 7-8 days...doesn't it. Then again, if you elect Hillary, you could see the first women president impeached too.
80% of "Democrats" and "Republicans" are just the Establishment Party, agreeing on the fundamental principle of taking bribes to funnel taxpayer money in return. Oh, they put on a show about stuff they don't care about at all, like gay marriage (where's the money in that?), but they agree on everything "important".
An angry 20% will never impeach anyone.
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Then you're probably better off voting for the non-establishment candidate, that has pissed everyone off aren't you? And hope he leans on the FBI and gets rid of the corruption at the top of the DOJ so that indictments can be put into place.
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Oh, I agree. I think the US has a limited number of years left to get a credible non-establishment foothold in government before less appealing options than democracy start unfolding. I don't think it will be Trump, but his supporters aren't going anywhere, and I'm hopeful we'll see less crazy non-establishment candidates in coming election years.
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I'm hopeful we'll see less crazy non-establishment candidates in coming election years.
This thing has been building in the US for at least a decade now. The previous non-establishment candidate you guys had was Ron Paul and all his crazy, with the BS being pushed by the elites? Trump is probably the least extreme candidate you're going to see. It's only downhill from there, if you need a primer or example? Look at the state of Europe with the rise of actual fascist parties again, and said parties gaining because the left and establishment are either attacking them--or saying "things reall
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WTF is with /. mods these days? Pointing out the US government is pretty darn corrupt is "trolling" now? Really?
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I don't know. Name a time Clinton deliberately ignored the law and we'll talk.
You know what would happen if you were negligent and let classified data out? You'd have a good chance of losing your clearance, perhaps temporarily. You could lose your job. Your annual review probably will not be pleasant. You won't get prosecuted.
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You're assuming negligence where malice is obvious. She did it to hide her illegal actions from possible prosecution. The US isn't Russia, yet -- she can't assassinate, spy on and otherwise abuse government agencies against her political opponents in the open yet. She does deeply envy Putin, though, and does everything she can do turn most of the western world into a Russia-like hellhole. Her and her buddies' tentacles reach far beyond borders of the US.
Her opponent is merely an incompetent buffoon, qui
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In other words, you're constructing cloud castle indictments in your mind. You are assuming you know her motives, and apparently that she deliberately set things up to leave classified documents on her server, which is ludicrous. She hasn't assassinated anyone; she's just known a lot of people who have died of various causes. I haven't heard anything serious about the State Department spying on people, and the only serious abuse of government power I've seen has been Comey's against her.
Having devoted
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much of Trump's rhetoric is similar to Hitler's
Newsflash: it's not Trump who's acts like Hitler.
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Not from where I sit. Trump pushes an irrational ideology, with lack of specifics, extreme nationalism, and vilification of identifiable minority groups. Clinton doesn't do that.
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Uh, they posted a video of an event that occurred and was factual. That's not defamation, libel, or slander; it's reporting on the life of public figures. It's long-established that being a public person cuts away a substantial amount of your privacy protection. What laws were broken?
A Florida Jury found that Gawker violated Hulk Hogan's privacy. Other juries and judges have determined that public figures's privacy can't be violated in that way in many situations. Unless Gawker produced the tape (in
Re:Poor Nick Denton (Score:4, Informative)
Not really.
You ignored one simple fact - Gawker was ordered to take down the video. They said they won't [twitter.com].
Sure the tape may be factual evidence, but when a judge orders you to take it down during your lawsuit, you take it down.
It doesn't matter who's right or wrong in the matter - the judge said to do it, so you do it to avoid the wrath of the judge.
In fact, this one act of defiance likely is what brought the damages up. Gawker got away pretty light - the judge could've found them in contempt and instead all they got was enhanced damages.
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Oh, I didn't catch that Gawker disobeyed a prior court order.
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Legal authority? US judges are known to keep the tradition that Roy Bean (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roy_Bean) alive.
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I'm not arguing whether Gawker is worth a shit or not; I'm arguing whether or not they violated what we expect as our law here. I didn't know they were ordered to remove the video (fat lot of good that does, anyway; and I have issues with that, without more data), and have no defense for that; and for the simple concept of "invasion of privacy", it's been well-established that public figures have less privacy, and sex tapes and other embarrassing publications have happened frequently enough.
To say Gawker
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A Florida Jury found that Gawker violated Hulk Hogan's privacy. Other juries and judges have determined that public figures's privacy can't be violated in that way in many situations.
I don't think any juries and judges have ever considered having sex in private as one of those "many situations".
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There's been a lot of leaked nude photos and sex tapes, but that doesn't mean they were legal. Also, there's a difference between a juicy report of Jolie and the team and a video of the activity in the locker room.
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The report, published as news, of a non-celebrity would be an invasion of privacy. Also, is it an invasion of privacy when a well-known video already being circulated is in question? You've already lost control of that.
Someone suggested it'd be copyright at best. They're probably right.
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You seem to miss the point that we are talking about a sex tape here.
Reporting about public figures only matters for public events, not for their private live or their sex life.
Perhaps you should reread your court rulings very carefully to understand the difference.
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Reporting about public figures is a constant. Have you never been to a supermarket? Magazine covers are full of gossip about who cheated on who, who has a secret sex-party life, who is getting a divorce, and whatnot. If the Olsen Twins get drunk and take turns screwing three guys at a party, the press will have it on ABC, CNN, and Fox News the next day, if they can get an interview with anyone at the party. They'll even publish someone's cellphone recording of the girls walking off into the back room w
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Does mot make it leagal when the photos or phone records are aquired by illegal means ... ... I'm to concerned about my next hardware I want to acquire :)
And no, I don't read those magazines
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Actually, once someone has published something not claimed as a copyrighted creative work, it's no longer private and no longer acquired by illegal means. It must be an illegal video (child pornography) after that point.
Before Gawker received the video, it was already circulating without the authorization of Hogan and Clem. Gawker put it into wider circulation, which is technically the same thing as what anyone who distributes anything at any point ever is doing; however, there is an argument that Gawk
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Actually, once someone has published something not claimed as a copyrighted creative work, it's no longer private and no longer acquired by illegal means.
That is nonsense. Publishing does not remove copyrights. Otherwise every movie in the theaters had no copyright and all about the DMCA etc. would be mood.
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Laura Schlessinger sued for copyright infringement and privacy invasion when her boyfriend sold her nudes to a porn site in 1998. He had a judge preside over that trial. The judge told her copyright infringement doesn't work and she's a public figure and doesn't get that kind of privacy protection.
Gawker published Hulk Hoagan's naked sex video in 2015, and then got sued. The idiot lawyer requested a jury trial, and the plaintiff cried crocodile tears for sympathy.
Do you see this post? I'm publishing
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Laura Schlessinger sued for copyright infringement and privacy invasion when her boyfriend sold her nudes to a porn site in 1998. He had a judge preside over that trial. The judge told her copyright infringement doesn't work and she's a public figure and doesn't get that kind of privacy protection.
Then the judge was wrong.
Of course she could not sue on copyright issues, as obviously the BF made the movie so most of it was copyrighted by him. However as a participant (regardless if voluntarily or not) she al
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Well it's been determined and upheld that public figures have less of a claim to privacy because everybody is trying to get in on their private life. You seem to not like this, but legally you're wrong.
Of course it is protected by copyright. You can cite it, but not copy it. And if you are referring to /. I suggest to scroll down the page and read what is written in the lower right corner.
Do you mean the part where I said, "Slashdot posts at the bottom: 'Comments owned by the poster'"? Yes, I said that in my last message. Read it again.
I also said you will lose any copyright case in any court attempting to claim copyright infringement on comments you made in a public forum. If I copy a
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also said you will lose any copyright case in any court attempting to claim copyright infringement on comments you made in a public forum.
And you are wrong with that.
I might lose in some obscure court in the US. But definitely not in all of them and absolutely not in any European court.
Your comments here are non-copyrightable for the same reason everything you say is non-copyrightable
I suggest to simply read the copyright law. Facepalm. It is obvious that everything I write is copyrighted. You must be abs
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Here's the thing: comments on a forum have never been successfully defended in U.S. courts. Speeches--being the creative work of a speechwriter--have been defended; but the USCO has determined speeches given but not written down aren't copyrightable because they aren't a fixed work--even though those speeches are recorded through the incident of being at a public event. The recording is copyrighted--to whoever owned the camera (e.g. CBS); the speech wasn't prepared and fixated, so isn't copyrighted.
We
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In most parts of the world, courts are irrelevant for simple matters like this. The law is relevant.
And regarding copyright or Urheberrecht (in german) all my posts are under (my) copyright, and so is anything I do with my mind and express with my mouth, body, fingers or any tool at hand.
It does mot matter if it is in a discussion, and your way to bring this topic forward makes no sense to me. But perhaps you are right in your judisdiction, I pitty you then.
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America has the concept of case law, in which we determine what the law was supposed to do, and whether it makes sense in context. That's why we have things like the reasonable person test, and why we might identify that "conversation is not copyrightable" and "conversation is only possible via written word in this context" would lead a court to decide that said written word is not copyright, while also pointing to a poem in the middle of said written word and claiming that is a creative work and is thus c
Re:Poor Nick Denton (Score:4, Insightful)
IMO gawker fucked up by saying the hulk video was fine but not the fappening. either both are, or neither
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"Don't want to get in trouble with your spouse? Don't commit adultery. Don't want to get fired from the WWE for racist comments? Don't use the N word" in particular were absurdly overstated.
I'm not okay with the fappening. I don't t
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yeah, cheating on your wife with yourbest friends girl (even if he was cool with it and from bubba side before he went silent on the matter he said he was cool with it. and yes he said he didnt want his daughter to marry a n@$%#) is never a good idea. but should doing so get you blacklisted from your job??? I think thats a step too far.
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How is what Hogan did morally-wrong? Bubba Clem was watching and operating the camera while Hogan fucked his wife! He brought her over for the pow-wow!
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I haven't heard his wife's position on everything. The last I heard was that Hogan was already going through rough times and facing divorce, while Heather was all over him--a common enough behavior, where a girl gets wind that your relationship is over and she's already trying to get on your dick before you finish signing the papers. Maybe that wasn't what was going on; but it's what I heard. As it stands, though, I simply ignore that point because the information I have on it is thin and doesn't have i
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Exactly. Even if you don't like Hogan or Thiel, the funding of legitimate lawsuits is hardly unethical.
If he was bombing them with nuisance suits for death by a thousand cuts it would be different.
But Gawker was in the wrong. Allowing those who have grievances with them to proceed freely does absolutely nothing to limit "freedom of the press".
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People funding other people's lawsuits is an old practice, and it's very valuable. Without it, the ACLU wouldn't be able to help people sue in civil rights cases, for instance.
That sounds like another argument against it.
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Re:Poor Nick Denton (Score:5, Insightful)
You intend as sarcasm, but that's entirely correct.
Thiel did nothing more than exactly the same thing that's done by the EFF and the ACLU: supporting somebody who has a grievance, but lacks the money to pay for lengthy litigation.
I would have agreed with you if Thiel was supporting completely unfounded lawsuits that had no other purpose than making Gawker lose money by paying for lawyers. But that wasn't the case, Bollea had a very genuine grievance with Gawker, and all Thiel did was contributing money to it. It's not any different than when people fund litigation through aligned organizations (EFF, ACLU), friends and family, or crowdfunding. There's nothing illegal or immoral about it.
Furthermore what is actually disturbing is the implication that money makes right, and the right situation is where one loses a lawsuit not due to lack of merit, but due to the lack of funding, and that there's something wrong with a third party counteracting this.
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> Don't want to get fired from the WWE for racist comments? Don't use the N word.
As if the public that watches WWE are SJW's. If he doesn't like niiggers, who's to blame him? They infest too many parts of this planet.
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I know plenty of black wrestling fans.
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Oh, I'm sorry, did Peter Thiel force them to illegally publish a sex tape? Did Peter Thiel then force them to openly defy court orders to remove it? Did Peter Thiel force them to repeatedly mislead the court in such a way that the judge could not in good conscience allow them to post a bond to delay payment until their appeal could be processed?
No, of course not. Peter Thiel did none of those things, and yet, those are the things that put Gawker in this position. So instead of being mad at Peter Thiel, who
Cry me a river, Nick. (Score:4, Interesting)
Jennifer Lawrence pics = BAD AND EVERYONE WHO LOOKED AT THEM SHOULD FEEL BAD. Hulk's sex tape = FREEDOM OF THE PRESS.
Live by the douchebag, die by the douchebag. And this big ball of dirt keeps on spinning.
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The guy got off lightly. In some places publishing video of people having sex without their consent is a crime.
How can the media go on? (Score:5, Funny)
It's a sad, sad day for media outlets, and journalism in general.
How can we exist as a democracy when the public isn't going to be allowed to see stolen sex tapes of washed up celebrities? This is going to have a chilling effect on news outlets everwhere.
Think of all the sex tapes hidden from the public of washed up celebrities that will now never come to light because of this censorship! There could be sex tapes of Charo giving a blowjob to John Davidson stolen by Danny Bonaduce, and we'll never see them! It's shocking, shocking I say! There could be a sex tape of Corrie Haim giving a reacharound to Corey Feldman! A double Correy sex tape, and we may never see it! How will modern journalism, nay democracy survive!
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Anyway, I get it, we should wait to cry foul when a real, respectable news organization gets taken down by a billionaire with a grudge. Just so we're clear, which news organizations are the good guys? I want to be ready, so I'll need a list of the good ones.
Re: How can the media go on? (Score:1)
You can start with the ones that don't publish stolen sex tapes
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I'm not sure what the best way to resolve Hogan's fair complaint with making sure news organizations don't get shut down, but that WAS Thiel's stated goal here, if I'm not mistaken, was to shut down Gawker.
The W
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Your sig points out "nobody is always right." I suspect that every single news organization of any decent caliber, that has been around for much time, has people who think they have legitimate grievances. All of them seem to be made up of people, and in my experience, all people make mistakes.
I agree with this so far.
I'm not sure what the best way to resolve Hogan's fair complaint with making sure news organizations don't get shut down, but that WAS Thiel's stated goal here, if I'm not mistaken, was to shut down Gawker.
Here's the thing: Thiel apparently did want to destroy Gawker, you're right. However, it wouldn't have been possible for him to do so if they weren't making more than their fair share of mistakes. They might not have had to file for bankruptcy if they had taken the trial seriously from the start - Nick Denton's (allegedly flippant) comment about probably not publishing the sex tape of a four year old [nytimes.com] didn't do them any favors, and neither did refusing the initial order to take the t
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The Washington Post published Valerie Plame's identity as a CIA operative, ending her career. To me that's more serious an offense than leaking a sex tape.
Gawker would not have gotten into much trouble if they'd just reported that Hogan had extra-marital sex. That would be the analogy to Valerie Plame.
But Gawker published the tape. And then they refused a court order afterwards. I don't think there's really any parallel to the Valerie Plame case in that situation.
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Anyway, I get it, we should wait to cry foul when a real, respectable news organization gets taken down by a billionaire with a grudge. Just so we're clear, which news organizations are the good guys? I want to be ready, so I'll need a list of the good ones.
It doesn't matter whether they're 'good' or 'bad'. If they act the same way then they should be treated accordingly. If the BBC had posted the Hogan sex tape instead then absolutely they should be paying the damages. Is this really that confusing for you?
The party I have the least respect for (Score:1)
after reading this, is Terry Bollea. The fucker cheats on his own wife and that of his friend, then plays the victim to the tune of $140 million, as if that would be a fair amount of the DAMAGES CAUSED TO HIM. Money-greedy petty fucking Americans.
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He is just a well payed pawn in this.
If your Business is pissing off people rich enough to sue you out of business, Be careful who you Piss off.
Re: The party I have the least respect for (Score:1)
In a just society the little people gawker bullied, fucked over and broke the law exposing (like a college student sec tape she begged to have taken down) would have shut this company down years ago. The sad thing is a bigger billonaire bully had to be annoyed before justice could be done against the mere millionaire gawker assholes who repeatedly broke the law and caused misery to line their pockets.
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The $140M wasn't just because of damages caused to him (although it did hurt his career, and he was well-paid at one point); it was also because Gawker refused a judge's order to take down the tape. Punitive damages are a thing, and judges tend to get mad when you don't listen to them.
Re:The party I have the least respect for (Score:4, Insightful)
Doesn't matter, status of the relationship, regardless of how skeezy it is. In the US, you can't publish a sex tape without the consent of everyone that's in it. That's really the only question here. I'm not a fan of anyone in this story, but Gawker willfully, purposely, knowingly, blatantly broke the law. I'm no celebrity but as someone who likes his privacy, I'm pretty glad they got sued and lost.
It's interesting. When you see these 'leaked' sex tapes of celebrities that _aren't_ suing Gawker media, that's not a leak. That's a consensual, for-profit marketing ploy for said celeb.
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Doesn't matter, status of the relationship, regardless of how skeezy it is. In the US, you can't publish a sex tape without the consent of everyone that's in it. That's really the only question here. I'm not a fan of anyone in this story, but Gawker willfully, purposely, knowingly, blatantly broke the law. I'm no celebrity but as someone who likes his privacy, I'm pretty glad they got sued and lost.
It's interesting. When you see these 'leaked' sex tapes of celebrities that _aren't_ suing Gawker media, that's not a leak. That's a consensual, for-profit marketing ploy for said celeb.
Or an entity that can't be sued (anonymous torrent post, etc). But I agree, in most cases, sex tapes are probably authorized by the C-list celebrity.
Millionaires (Score:5, Insightful)
A millionaire sued another millionaire and millions changed hands. Everyone is scum in this situation. Plaintiff, defendant, and lawyers. Just an average day in America.
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Lol -- that's rich!
Before anyone crows about this .. (Score:4, Informative)
Who invented email? This settlement includes $750,000 to Shiva Ayyadurai and removal of the article that debunks his claim that he invented email.
Does anyone think that part of the settlement is justified by anything except Thiel's money?
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Tomlinson.. [nethistory.info] I was using rudimentary store/forward e-mail in 1976..
Don't however confuse that to a lawyer making an obtuse argument of invention to get money. I would have argued that since e-mail is a concept and not a product that it's not subject to ownership but maybe copyright.
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Francis Ronalds, 1816. First practical telegraph.
It may not be email in the way we use it today, but it is a text message transmitted electronically to destination address specified in the message header, and that sounds like email to me.
$750,000 to Shiva Ayyadurai (Score:2)
Who invented email? This settlement includes $750,000 to Shiva Ayyadurai and removal of the article that debunks his claim that he invented email.
That part is missing in the article linked, but is in other articles on the settlement:
http://nordic.businessinsider.com/gawker-settles-with-hulk-hogan-2016-11/
https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20161102/10054035947/ridiculous-nick-denton-settles-remaining-charles-harder-lawsuits-agrees-to-delete-perfectly-true-stories.shtml
https://nickdenton.org/a-hard-peace-e161e19bfa
http://www.politico.com/media/story/2016/11/gawker-reaches-settlement-with-hulk-hogan-004844
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Seriously, fuck Nick Denton
There's not enough Astroglide in the world.
Negotiations... (Score:1)
Hogan: How much ya got?
Denton: 31 million dollars
Hogan: I'll take it, brother!
justice? (Score:5, Insightful)
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VOTE TRUMP!
Some same old news wrapped up in this (Score:2)
I was listening to the radio yesterday and they were talking about Peter Thiel paying for some of Hogan's legal fees because "even as a single-digit millionaire, Hulk Hogan does not have adequate access to the legal system." Hulk Hogan may have been unsuccessful in his litigation because his pockets, his deep pockets, still weren't deep enough to get damages he deserved.
And fuck Gawker. Good damn riddance. If you make enough enemies, they will pool their resources and bring you down. But the only people
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