Facebook Is Collaborating With The Israeli Government To Determine What Should Be Censored (go.com) 232
An anonymous reader quotes a report from ABC News: The Israeli government and Facebook agreed to work together to determine how to tackle incitement on the social media network, a senior Israeli Cabinet minister said Monday. The announcement came after two government ministers met top Facebook officials to discuss the matter. The Facebook delegation is in Israel as the government pushes ahead with legislative steps meant to force social networks to rein in content that Israel says incites violence. Israel has argued that a wave of violence with the Palestinians over the past year has been fueled by incitement, much of it spread on social media sites. It has repeatedly said that Facebook should do more to monitor and control the content, raising a host of legal and ethical issues over whether the company is responsible for material posted by its users. Both Public Security Minister Gilad Erdan and Justice Minister Ayelet Shaked, two key figures in Israel's battle against the alleged online provocations, participated in Monday's meeting. Erdan's office said they agreed with Facebook representatives to create teams that would figure out how best to monitor and remove inflammatory content, but did not elaborate further. Erdan and Shaked have proposed legislation that seeks to force social networks to remove content that Israel considers to be incitement. An opposition lawmaker has also proposed a bill seeking to force social networks to self-monitor or face a fine. Facebook said in a statement "online extremism can only be tackled with a strong partnership between policymakers, civil society, academia and companies, and this is true in Israel and around the world." The company did also say that its community standards "make it clear there is non place for terrorists or content that promotes terrorism on Facebook." ABC News reports that "over the past four months Israel submitted 158 requests to Facebook to remove inciting content and another 13 requests to YouTube," according to Shaked. "She said Facebook granted some 95 percent of the requests and YouTube granted 80 percent." All of this adds to the censorship controversy that is currently surrounding Facebook. Last week, Norway's largest newspaper accused Mark Zuckerberg of abusing power after his company decided to censor a historic photograph of the Vietnamese "Napalm Girl," claiming it violated the company's ban on "child nudity."
How about.... (Score:4, Insightful)
genocide. Yeah, let's censor genocide.
Re:How about.... (Score:5, Insightful)
Jews, the eternal victims in their own eyes, joining together to victimize others, and censor any reports of that.
More they use their much propagated 'victim' status to morally blackmail and cover-up their own well substantiated crimes (genocide, ethnic cleansing, land grabs, apartheid laws, rape, torture, deliberate child killings on a mass scale, spying, corruption and influence pending of western governments, etc., etc..) less credibility and sympathy there will be for their true past sufferings.
Jews OPPOSE themselves (Score:2)
Jews, the eternal victims in their own eyes, joining together to victimize others, and censor any reports of that. More they use their much propagated 'victim' status to morally blackmail and cover-up their own well substantiated crimes (genocide, ethnic cleansing, land grabs, apartheid laws, rape, torture, deliberate child killings on a mass scale, spying, corruption and influence pending of western governments, etc., etc..) less credibility and sympathy there will be for their true past sufferings.
Except that the vast majority of Jews are Leftist and opposed to Jewish heritage, except vis a vis pols who base their positions on Christianity. Most of them are aggressively opposed to Israel's existence, to the point of being pro-Hamas. They have opposed things like GITMO, support claims of 'Islamophobia' across the board, and do a whole lot of things that would make it seem like Islam has nothing against Jews. Except that it does, particularly in the Sunnah.
Like Debbie Schlussel said, a large majo
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Majority - http://www.dictionary.com/brow... [dictionary.com]
Minority - http://www.dictionary.com/brow... [dictionary.com]
You seem to have gotten those two mixed up or at the very least seemed to have confused the majority of the Hebrew faith whose homeland is where ever in the world they choose it to be, compared to your typical religiously prejudiced and racist Israeli (they also disapprove of Jews who are not white enough, even Palestinian Jews versus European migrant Jews, this forcing Palestinian Jews to be more racist to prove th
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A Jew who lived across the hall in college ate bacon. I asked him why. He said because he liked it.
Also, my formerly Catholic genitals were mutilated in the new world, presumably against my will, too.
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Both Islam and Christianity are not against being Jewish, but they both have very specifically stated that those religions replace Judaism. Jews definitely had it better under the Muslims *during the European medieval period* than under the Christians of the same time period.
It should be noted, however, that even under the Islamic regimes of the time, and just about every time, they were and are second class citizens by definition. They just had the important benefit of the Islamic states being predictabl
What Islam says about the Jews (Score:2)
If Islam is against the Jewish people, why did Muslims protect them when Christians were trying to wipe them out in Europe [thejc.com]?
Short answer - the Muslims needed Dhimmis to be their servants and do their menial jobs. And to pay the Jiziya. Living like leeches off non-Muslims was always a stable of Shariah practice.
About what Islam is, nowhere is it more obvious than in the Quran and Hadith: just 2 examples below, but there's plenty more where that came from
2:65-66. And well ye knew those amongst you who transgressed in the matter of the Sabbath: We said to them: "Be ye apes, despised and rejected." So We made it an example to their own time and to their posterity, and a lesson to those who fear Allah. [gomen.org]
Abu Huraira reported Allah's Messenger as saying: The last hour would not come unless the Muslims will fight against the Jews and the Muslims would kill them until the Jews would hide themselves behind a stone or a tree and a stone or a tree would say: Muslim, or the servant of Allah, there is a Jew behind me; come and kill him; but the tree Gharqad would not say, for it is the tree of the Jews. [sunnah.com]
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Again, you're talking about equipment and budget. That's great and all, but Saudi's experience fighting actual modern wars is limited. They've a) rode shotgun with the US during the Gulf War, and b) fought some Yemeni insurgents. None of that is the same experience as deciding to go against Israel, US or not.
And while the Israelis had a lot of indirect support in the past, what makes you think that would change now?
Putting aside the nuclear weapons, what makes you think the Saudis actually *want* to decl
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Genocide? The Palestinian population is going up. That's not genocide regardless of how much you want to redefine things.
Aleppo is something that looks much more like genocide. Even that is simply war. That's the funny thing about war, people get killed and buildings get knocked down. Kids come home in body bags.
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The truth about the 'Palestinians' (Score:2)
http://visualizingpalestine.or... [visualizingpalestine.org] The Israeli state was created on top of Palestine.
Uh, in the early 20th century, after the Brits & French carved up the entire region b/w themselves and reduced Turkey to Anatolia and East Thrace, the term 'Palesinian' was used, but it was used to describe Jews, not Arabs. In fact, until 1967, the reason world opinion was usually behind Israel was that the rivary was perceived as one b/w the tiny state of Israel, vs 22 countries from Morocco to Iraq and Oman to Syria that comprised the Arab League. Once Yasser Arafat rebranded the Arabs in Judea and
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Re:How about.... (Score:4, Informative)
(I'm not saying this to deny the facts that the Jews have a history of continued persecution and that the state of Israel has a right to exist and to defend itself.)
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Do I think the actions of the Israeli government equate to genocide? No. But it's clear from many of their actions that the lives of Palestinian civilians are of little-to-no value. Netanyahu's quote barely hides the fact that he never lets civilians get in the way of bombing the ever-loving crap out of anywhere that he even remotely suspects a member of Hamas might be.
In the 2014 Israeli-Gaza conflict, which lasted only 7 weeks, they killed 2,251 Palestinians, around 1,400 (65%) of whom were civilians acco
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You seem quite willing to ignore that Gazan fighters do everything they can to get their own civilians killed. War sucks. Wars started from civilian population centers are going to get civilians killed. If you don't like it, tell Hamas to give up already. They aren't bothered by it, so why does it bother you?
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The actions of neither side forgive the other.
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That is not 100% accurate.
This is not a question of forgiveness. It's a question of context. Israel has an obvious obligation to try and minimize civilian casualties, and had it ignored it, you could go ahead and not forgive it. Hamas doing its thing is no excuse for Israel. However, judging whether that is the case cannot ignore the context in which Israel has to operate, due to Hamas's actions.
If you judge its action in the context of Hamas's use of civilians as shields, the only reasonable conclusion is
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At the same time, Hamas also goes out of its way to make it extremely difficult for Israel to avoid attacking civilian centers.
On one hand, that makes sense. They're an insurgency, not an army. They're not going to open a fortress, run up the flag and wait to have it bombed into dust by the much superior forces of the Israelis.
On the other hand, that doesn't change the fact that Hamas is fighting from inside the civilian areas. Israel cannot simply stand by and allow rockets to be launched *at their own
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It was only moderated that way because Slashdot refuses to add the much sought after "-1 I disagree with your opinion and your challenging my prejudices offend me deeply".
Some go the extra mile, and seek out other comments by the same user on that article and mod them as well. This is how I got a point knocked out on this comment [slashdot.org] (also marked as troll). Not because of anything I said on that comment, but because I expressed a pro-Israeli position in another comment in the same article.
Human nature at its be
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To be fair, though, the comment [slashdot.org] you refer to is not a good comment. It is argumentative, tries very hard to push an agenda, and bears little relevance to the comment it is replying to. Then again, the exact same argument (only swinging to the other side of this argument) can be said about the original comment [slashdot.org], and that one got +5 insightful.
Shachar
Bold claims (Score:5, Insightful)
The company did also say that its community standards "make it clear there is non place for terrorists or content that promotes terrorism on Facebook."
Even when the terror is being incited by a major state like the US or China? Or Israel? Somehow I doubt they're going to stick by this.
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Just look at what's happening.. the most racist government on earth is asking facebook to censor criticism of its actions.. this is gastapo level nazi stuff..
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Golly! Do you have a pamphlet?
The death of unpopular thought (Score:5, Insightful)
And there it is boys and girls, the sanitation of unapproved thoughts. Brought to you by Facebook.
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Well Facebook has been doing it at the behest of the EU government and Germany since December 2015 with regards to the influx of illegals in the EU. It shouldn't be a surprise that other governments are jumping on-board.
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Incitement to violence is not protected speech in the US, either. Get over yourselves, you fucking idiots.
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You'd be surprised how much is protected by the First Amendment.
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And unapproved boycotts = Can't leave Israel [theintercept.com], travel rights revoked.
That is an oppressive police state and its getting worse.
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But there is that strand of liberal Judaism that's more or less opposed to Israeli militarism and in favor of concessions to the Palestinians.
Although I grant you, it must be kind of awkward to be Jewish and influential and then have the Israeli government come calling. How can you win without making a major deal out of it? Either they beat you up for not being Jewish enough or for being too Jewish.
Why? (Score:3)
So pointless. Censorship so seldom works, all it does is make you lose credibility.
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So pointless. Censorship so seldom works, all it does is make you lose credibility.
I think it depends a lot on how it's implemented.
If they're censoring calls for a protest or video's of a demolition than obviously that's outrageous.
But if they're censoring calls for people to plant a bomb on a school bus... that I'm a lot more comfortable with.
Obviously the reality will be somewhere in between, with mistakes made on both sides, but I think there's a way to do it right, and a way to do it very wrong.
On the plus side (Score:1)
If the brainwashing were complete and foolproof none of the sheeple would think or say anything that required censoring. The spirit of free thought is not quite dead yet.
Re:On the plus side (Score:4, Insightful)
Thoughts are not crimes, unless you have no problem with introducing thoughtcrime.
Acting upon those thoughts can be a crime, though, but that's like saying we should outlaw chemistry because it can be used to know how to build bombs.
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I support raping Anonymous Cowards.
they got sued, they got scared (Score:1)
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Right, shmite, you don't get sued for siding with the totalitarian regime by the totalitarian regime.
I feel an irregular verb coming on (Score:2)
I block the recruitment by mass murdering jihadi
You stop incitement to violence against civilians
He censors free speech
Given the flow of low level attacks against civilian targets in Israel over the years, the idea of allowing Facebook to leave proponents of such attacks unchallenged is unreasonable. It's a matter of degree, but let's not pretend there aren't some out there who should be censored - or doesn't commending 9/11 with a call to complete it by hitting the White House and Capitol Hill strike you a
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or doesn't commending 9/11 with a call to complete it by hitting the White House and Capitol Hill strike you as unacceptable?
I disagree with both the commendation and the call to further violence, but it is only when we disagree with what someone is saying that we are tested on our commitment to the principle of the free exchange of information and ideas. To be clear, I do not wish to see statements, such as above, censored or blocked (to paraphrase Hall wrt Voltaire).
Let them speak. If the idea has no merit, it will have as much impact as any other rant or rave of the fringe lunatics. If, on the other hand, there is some group o
Calls to VIOLENCE cross the boundary (Score:2)
The problem is that endorsing violence undermines the whole basis of a democratic state. If I am allowed to call for armed resistance to the government every time I am upset about what they are proposing, you are providing a recipe for civil war tomorrow. There must be a general commitment to accepting the right of the government to make unpopular decisions, or your state WILL crumble.
It's also important to note that threats of violence in themselves limit freedom of speech. This is most obviously demonstra
Re:I feel an irregular verb coming on (Score:4, Insightful)
You mean low level attacks against civilians in Palestine by Israelis over the years. It is well known and well documented that Jews who go on to Palestinian land and destroy their crops are for all intents and purposes, never caught and those who might be implicated are never punished.
As we saw when a Jewish terrorist burned alive a Palestinian mother and her child, punishment against Jews are laughable at best and non-existent on the whole. No Jew has ever had their house destroyed when they commit a terrorist act and never, to my knowledge, has a Jew ever been put in solitary confinement for whatever terrorist act they have committed.
So spare us how it's acceptable to ban one form of speech when the Israeli government not only condones such acts but helps them when it uses the power of its military to force Palestinians off the land and out of the homes they have lived in before Israel even existed.
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Mod parent to 5.
If the American media reported what President Carter outlined in his book "Palestine: Peace Not Apartheid", Israel wouldn't enjoy its "special relationship" with America, or any western state for that matter.
It's a shame that a people, who have suffered so much, have 0 qualms taking over Pharaoh's Whip and lording over others in a manner no better than the Nazi occupied Warsaw ghetto.
Consider this story (Score:2)
http://www.independent.co.uk/n... [independent.co.uk]
And SHUT UP about Jewish treatment of Arabs until you've cleaned up your own abattoir.
Note the response: 'I'm sure there's more to this story...' will not be consistent with your critiques of Israel.
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The answer to the question is "No". The professed aims of Hamas are irrelevant in the face of the power disparity. Israel is like a trained martial artist vs a kid yelling "I'm going to kick your ass!". The proper response to that is to ignore it, because it is not a viable threat, not to br
Oh please - back in the real world... (Score:2)
"Israel is like a trained martial artist vs a kid yelling "I'm going to kick your ass!". The proper response to that is to ignore it, because it is not a viable threat, not to brutalise the kid into the hospital."
Given the existence of riots where large rocks are being thrown at Israeli soldiers, what are they supposed to do? Ignore it? To return to your parallel, if the kid is about to do serious damage to trained martial artist's knee, he's got to respond.
Somewhere deep in your personal creed are the beli
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"Oh fuck off with your Likud propaganda."
Please clarify what statements or steps of logic you reject as untrue rather than dismissing what I regard as a reasonable analysis of the history of the area and of Islam. You may not like my challenge, but hiding behind the label 'propaganda' would appear to reflect an unwilling to engage with difficult facts. You wouldn't happen to be a Trump supporter by any chance? This approach is typical of his political discourse - though his material barely deserves the titl
The last resort of the loser (Score:2)
I'm disappointed to see you retreating so inelegantly. It is a fact of history that the elite's view, defended by unjustified certainty, proves to be wrong when the elite doesn't ensure it's listening. To describe a view as racist - and on the whole I'm probably only being anti-Muslim, not anti-Arab - and therefore untrue, which is all the logic you offer, is foolish. It shows an unwillingness to THINK, the disease of our hedonist degenerate culture. But having fun is our society's highest value these days;
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"elite", "hedonist degenerate culture", "not anti-arab, just anti-muslim". The perfect trifecta of the modern extreme rightist. I gave a well-reasoned first post, your use of ideological shibboleths makes perfectly clear who has the closed mind here.
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It's a matter of degree, but let's not pretend there aren't some out there who should be censored
Whatever your views are on the limits of free speech, Israeli politicians are not exactly a neutral party here. If you want to draw a line, and have it somewhere beyond where the US might draw it, then talk to some Europeans, who tend place more limits on hate speech, but at least are going to apply it consistently. If you're going to allow Israel free rein on defining what is and isn't free speech, then other countries, particularly those in the vicinity are going to demand the same attention, and Faceboo
I like the use of the word "collaborate" (Score:1)
In this context, I find its historical connotations spot on.
Facebook, like ISPs, is someday going to have to choose between being a common carrier or a creator/purveyor of content. I'm sure they want to have their cake and eat it too, of course. They dont' want to be perceived as a media giant, yet they "curate" "trending topics". While also wanting to be the ISP for the third world (controlling content to Facebook-owned sites at that). What a greedy two-faced corporate monster.
First, stop. (Score:2)
The Invisible Hand expected in 3... 2... 1... (Score:4, Interesting)
And in a competitive marketplace, failure to provide a desired service doesn't permanently suppress the service. Instead it provides a market opportunity for competition.
So Facebook and YouTube start censoring certain viewpoints? Suddenly there's a customer base for their (current or potential) competition: people with those viewpoints, people who want to see those viewpoints, and people who want to be able to post or view without censorship and/or distortion from its built-in biases.
Institutional and/or governmental suppression just creates a "forbidden fruit" attraction - especially for adolescents in the "Young Warrior" age group, THE primary target for anti-establishment military recruitment.
Alcohol prohibition created a generation of drunks and organized crime to supply them, drug prohibition (and the "drug war") has done the same for at least THREE generations of drug users, McCarthyist anti-Communism created a backlash that has become institutionalized. I could go on - at least as far back as Rome and the Christians.
These all show that attempts to directly suppress ideas and social movements tend to be counter-productive. Why should a Facebook / Israel government attempt to suppress Palestinians, ISIS, or other groups they dislike be any more effective?
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We create our own monsters.
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It's true that prohibition fostered the creation of a huge amount of organized crime, but there were plenty of drunks before prohibition.
But there were a LOT MORE, among college-age especially, during it than before. Which was my point.
God's chosen people (Score:4, Insightful)
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[...] the modern, diverse, multi-racial, secular, civil rights based, gay rights embracing, parliamentary democracy known as Israel [...]
There are two Israels down there? Interesting. The one I always read about in the news is run by a racist militant government violating international law. Oh, sorry, but saying so apparently makes me an anti-semite.
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>: If you are not a descendant of one of the twelve tribes, you
It's funny how it has been genetically proven that those *white* people asserting themselves as jews are actually non-indigenous.
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Bye bye bacon memes (Score:2)
No more bacon memes on my wall :(
Not "should" (Score:2)
Facebook Is Collaborating With The Israeli Government To Determine What It Might Need to Censor in Order to Keep Operating in Israel
Sold on protections of the US 1st Amendment (Score:2)
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And what's worse is the "1 Like = 1 suicide bombing!" slacktorists. Ugh, like that does anything!!!!
The name of Ghandi not in vain (Score:2)
Any reference to Ghandi is going to be censored on Israeli Facebook?
http://www.history.com/this-da... [history.com]
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Here is what giving up control of the Internet is (Score:1)
F*ck them! In the United States we have something called the FIRST AMENDMENT! We have the RIGHT to say basically whatever the HELL we want! If you don't like it - don't read it!
As a U.S. Military Veteran I may not agree with or like what you have to say but I'll defend, to the death, your RIGHT to say it!
So Israel can just go F*ck themselves! And F*ck Facebook too for being ANTI-First Amendment and also therefore ANTI-Veteran! Facebook is saying they hate our military and basically are spitting on the gra
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Anyone who is anti-YOU is doing the world a favor. You are obviously suffering from some psychological condition. Did that start before or during your tour of duty?
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What loser! You obviously are too busy in your mommies basement waiting for her to bring you a pop tart.
Pot Kettle Black (Score:5, Insightful)
FTA: Israel has argued that a wave of violence with the Palestinians over the past year has been fueled by incitement, much of it spread on social media sites.
Yeah, those 40-foot-high walls that Israel is plopping down through the middle of Palestinian cities has absolutely nothing to do with the anger of Palestinians at Israel's illegal seizure of their land, or the destruction of the (200+ yr-old) olive orchards at-will. Or further their making even a modicum of a 'normal life' impossible for the refugees of former Palestinian territory – stolen by expansionist Israeli governing parties from Palestinians.
Any and all "agreed-upon" borders have been violated by Israel. Palestinian children throw stones to voice their anger – and Israeli helicopter gunships fire missiles into Palestinian homeland territories.
This "story" of placing blame for censorship on private companies like FaceBook is a complete diversion from the actual reality of what is going on in that territory.
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^This!
Check out what Miko Peled has to say about Israel's treatment of the Palestinians [youtube.com]
As the grandson of a signatory to the Israeli Declaration of Independence, the son of an Israeli general, a former soldier himself, and the uncle of a 13-year-old niece who was killed in a suicide attack in Jerusalem, Miko Peled has both credibility and some serious skin in the game. When he debunks revisionist history, criticizes Israel's treatment of the Palestinians, and devotes his life to the cause of peace and the
Israeli government on censorship: (Score:2)
Well Zuckerberg is Jewish so no surprises that he's going to push the Israeli agenda.
So I guess Facebook will now censor anything that makes Palestinians look human or like victims, and anything that dares to question what the Israeli government is doing.
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You are the single most stupid person most people who encounter you will ever encounter. You know absolutely nothing about US-Israeli relations if you can write those words. Your willful ignorance is so blinding, you should be buried alive to protect the vision of those around you.
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So clearly you're Jewish then, and are another of the assholes tying to manipulate everyone else to a radical pro-Israeli viewpoint.
As to your personal insults wishing me dead, such a very fucking mature argument. And BTW go fuck yourself.
Under the rug.. (Score:2)
Yes, just remove the discussion from the public eyes, and i'm pretty sure it will go all fine! instead of creating some sort of very dangerous hidden "safe space" where ideas brew without any limit of reasonable people to stop it.
"inflammatory content" == whatever angers Israel (Score:2)
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I hate replying to an AC, but can you show me some Jewish incitement?
The Palestinians actually had a hate-based children's show called Tomorrow's Pioneers [wikipedia.org]. Yes, this was a show aimed at small children, and tried to teach them that killing Jews is a good thing. Show me ANYTHING comparable that the Jews have done.
There is also
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You jews don't "incite" at all, you just kill 1600 Palestinian civilians in a couple of months after some rusty, malfunctioning rockets hit the desert: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... [wikipedia.org]
Luckily I don't live anywhere close to either muslims or jews, I would feel much safer among Mexican drug cartels' members, far more civilized people.
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So it's ok to try to kill someone if you miss?
The Israeli excuse when they kill innocent children is that they did it "accidentally."
They say, that's the difference between the Palestinians and us. They kill children deliberately, and they feel good about it afterwards. We kill children accidentally, and we feel bad about it afterwards.
But I've never heard an Israeli government spokesman apologize for killing innocent Palestinian children. For example, Izzeldin Abuelaish's daughters https://www.youtube.com/watch?... [youtube.com]
Re: Incitement in Hebrew (Score:5, Insightful)
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Most of the "settlements" in Israel are much needed apartments on the outskirts of the Jewish version of Mecca.
Re: Incitement in Hebrew (Score:3)
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Say it aint so.
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> the worlds largest open air prison for their entire lives
That's only a problem if you're trapped with criminals. Sure, if you're trapped inside with your average prison population then that's bound to suck. If you've got civilized people, then it would just be New Jersey.
That's the problem with you cute little metaphor. It's not the confinement, it's WHO you're confined with.
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That's only a problem if you're trapped with criminals.
Thats exactly what the people doing it would say.
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What do you mean prison? They're free to leave and settle in Lebanon, Syria, Egypt, Saudi Arabia or Turkey any time they want.
Tell me again, what is keeping them where they are?
Re:Incitement in Hebrew (Score:5, Insightful)
What do you mean prison? They're free to leave and settle in Lebanon, Syria, Egypt, Saudi Arabia or Turkey any time they want.
Lebanon sticks them in camps and wont give them citizenship (for 68 years now.)
Egypt? The home of the Arab League, whose member States are barred from granting citizenship to Palestinians.
Saudi Arabia? Member of the Arab League, whose member States are barred from granting citizenship to Palestinians.
Turkey? Until 2 years ago they didnt even allow Palestinians to work or go to school is the country, and since then they still arent allowed to even apply for citizenship.
Syria? Fucking lol you fucking ignorant fuck.
Let me translate what you just fucking said: The Palestinians are free to go somewhere else where they wont be a citizen either.
STFU you fucking racist.
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So their own countries won't take them back. Again, how is that Israel's fault?
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So their own countries won't take them back.
There own country is Palestine, which is just as legitimate a country as Israel since it was the very same U.N, decision that formed both countries.
As far as "take them back" -- if they are to go back to the land from whence they came, that would be what we now call Israel. The Israeli's kicked them off their land using the equipment the British gave them, the equipment that won WWII. The Israeli's stole their homes and forced them into the largest open air prisons in the world.
You are claiming that it
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But Israel is somehow to blame.
The State that stole their land... is definitely "somehow" to blame.
Not Lebanon that holds the Palestinians rightless, not Jordan
The countries that took in refugees, are to blame for there being refugees? eh? Do you even listen to yourself?
But Israel, where every Palestinian who remained in 1948 is a citizen with full rights.
Notice how you continue to call them Palestinians where if they were Israeli citizens with full rights they would be Israeli since those under 68 years of age would be Israeli born. They would be Israeli, yet they arent, are they? Two sets of laws. One for the Jews, the other for everyone else.
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The problem is that the "state that stole their land" is actually a state. All Muslims around Israel only want peace -- by killing every Jew...
Let me list some surrounding Muslim countries:
* Lebanon
* Jordan
* Syria
* Iraq
* Egypt
* Lybia
* Kuwait
* Turkey
* Iran
Next, let me list every single Jewish country in the world:
* Israel
Yeah, a very short list.
Do you even know HOW Israel came into possession of the "occupied territories?" Israel was surrounded by armies on all sides ready to invade, and got their butts ki
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You probably know, but just don't care, that the blockade began after an organization which was created with the sole aim of destroying Israel was elected to power. Denying your wannabe killer a weapon is common sense when applied to any situation other than Israel.
That level of hypocrisy rises to the level of anti-semitism.
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You probably know, but just don't care, that the blockade began after an organization which was created with the sole aim of destroying Israel was elected to power.
You mean in 1948 when this happened? [wikipedia.org]
Or do you mean the more general 1948 exodus and expulsions [wikipedia.org] that created the first Palestinian refugees?
Israel began capturing and resettling, or killing, Palestinians literally the day England handed the country over.
2016 - 1948 = 68 years.
Every Palestinian that is 68 years old or younger has only lived in a world where Israel has been fucking them. Not a single second of their lives has been without this fucking.
If you are a 20 year old Palestinian, not only
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You want to dig out everything that happened 70 years ago?
Since this fucking spans multiple generations... since the Palestinians were born into it ... yes, I do... why wouldn't you?
I guess in your world only the last 1 second matters, right?
You seriously want to go there and blame Jews?
I never said anything about the Jews. In fact, in all my posts so far here on this story, the first time I am using any form of the word "Jew" is right here, right now, because I am quoting you, where you brought up the Jews.
I say Israel and Israeli's.and you only hear "Jews."
Religion doesnt give Israel an excuse for w
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I hate replying to an AC, but can you show me some Jewish incitement?
http://www.alternet.org/story/... [alternet.org]
As soon as it was published late last year,Torat Ha'Melech sparked a national uproar. The controversy began when an Israeli tabloid panned the book's contents as "230 pages on the laws concerning the killing of non-Jews, a kind of guidebook for anyone who ponders the question of if and when it is permissible to take the life of a non-Jew." According to the book's author, Rabbi Yitzhak Shapira, "Non-Jews are "uncompassionate by nature" and should be killed in order to "curb
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You are using the logic of a criminal lawyer who defends clients who are guilty, and uses every argument, no matter how dubious or irrelevant, to try to get a murderer off.
The parent asked, "can you show me some Jewish incitement?"
I showed him.
That's the end of the discussion as far as I'm concerned.
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You mean like Germans censoring Nazis?
Jew lawyers in the ACLU defend the liberties of Nazis.
Although what Israel is asking seems to be no different then what any other state does these days. Facebook also seems to comply.
"Paid shills for either side" LOL (Score:2)
Everyone knows there's no money to warrant shilling for Palestinians. Israeli government-sponsored shilling, on the other hand, is a proven fact. Israel was adept enough to hire trolls back in the 2000s, before even the US government got around to it.
So no need for the "both sides" false equivocation. There's only one side, much like everything else between Israel and Palestine, when it comes to money.