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Microsoft, Facebook, YouTube and Others Agree To Remove Hate Speech Across the EU 405

Tech giants in conjunction with European Union are taking a stand to fight hate speech. Microsoft, Twitter, YouTube, Google, and Facebook have launched "code of conduct" aimed at fighting racism and xenophobia across Europe. The companies aren't legally obligated, but have agreed to "public commitments" to review the "majority of valid notifications for removal of illegal hate speech" in less than 24 hours, and make it easier for law enforcement in Europe to notify the firms directly. From a TechCrunch report: Tech companies will have to find the right balance between freedom of expression and hateful content. Based on the code of conduct, they'll have dedicated teams reviewing flagged items (poor employees who will have to review awful things every day). Tech companies will also educate their users and tell them that it's forbidden to post hateful content. They'll cooperate with each other to share best practice. They'll encourage flagging of hateful content and they'll promote counter speech against hateful rhetoric. It's good to see that this issue got escalated and the European Commission was able to come up with a code of conduct quite quickly. Instead of making tech companies deal with every single European country, they can agree on rules for the EU as a whole."The recent terror attacks have reminded us of the urgent need to address illegal online hate speech," Vera Jourova, EU Commissioner for Justice, Consumers and Gender Equality, wrote in the European Commission press release. "Social media is unfortunately one of the tools that terrorist groups use to radicalise young people and racist use to spread violence and hatred. This agreement is an important step forward to ensure that the internet remains a place of free and democratic expression, where European values and laws are respected."
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Microsoft, Facebook, YouTube and Others Agree To Remove Hate Speech Across the EU

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  • by transami ( 202700 ) on Tuesday May 31, 2016 @02:07PM (#52218851) Homepage

    No slippery slope here, no sir.

    • ...the first comments removed will be any anti-microsoft comments. So much for the year of linux on the desktop...

    • by ganjadude ( 952775 ) on Tuesday May 31, 2016 @02:12PM (#52218905) Homepage
      exactly. who gets to decide what hate speech is real and what is imagined? will facts equal hate speech??? will not believing in some political views equal hate speech???

      this is going to go very very badly
      • Will saying "I hate Monday" equal hate speech and if it does then that's a lot of posts to delete.

      • by lgw ( 121541 ) on Tuesday May 31, 2016 @02:24PM (#52219053) Journal

        Hasn't it already gone very badly in some countries? When an MP is arrested for hate speech for a speech given on the floor of parliament, it has gone very badly. When it's illegal to discuss (one side of) a political issue, such as immigration, even by lawmakers it has gone very badly indeed.

      • The various governments already do that and already have laws in place. It is just that these tech companies are now going to start enforcing local laws.
        One example as a guest worker in a European country, I was not allowed to criticize the government and I had to sign a form agreeing to that when I had to do the various paperwork.
        • One example as a guest worker in a European country, I was not allowed to criticize the government

          Are you serious here or joking? Because if that's true, it's beyond creepy. Everyone should be allowed to criticize their government (or anyone else's).

          • Seriously, how desperate are you that you actually took the job?

            • Why would I care if I could not criticize that government? It was not mine and even then I could not vote.
          • by alexhs ( 877055 )

            AFAIK it's not true. At least, not in any country of the European Union. Maybe Belarus (I was there with a <3 months visa, maybe different for longer term) , Ukraine or another former soviet bloc country, Turkey...

      • by geek ( 5680 ) on Tuesday May 31, 2016 @02:26PM (#52219079)

        will facts equal hate speech??? will not believing in some political views equal hate speech???

        Yes

        • will facts equal hate speech??? will not believing in some political views equal hate speech???

          I think that we're already there. Certainly Brendan Eich fits in this category. Don't go with political process and your career, and maybe more, will suffer.

      • by PPH ( 736903 )

        The details will be outlined in your next edition of Newspeak.

      • by NotDrWho ( 3543773 ) on Tuesday May 31, 2016 @02:33PM (#52219153)

        It's simple. Harassment and hate speech is anything that disagrees with me or that I find uncomfortable or offensive.

        You're welcome.

        • by rastos1 ( 601318 )

          Let me try (IANAL) to translate the law as it is valid in one of the EU members:

          Whoever threatens an individual or a group of people due their race, ethnicity, skin color, origin or religion, if the excuse for the threat due aforementioned reasons is committing a crime, restriction of rights and freedoms or whoever carries out such restriction or whoever is inciting restrictions of rights and freedoms of some nation,nationality, race, ethnic group will be punished by imprisonment up to 3 years

          Whoever

          • a)incites violence or hate against group of people or an individual due their affiliation to some race, nation, nationality, skin color, ethnic group, origin or religion,

            How do you define hate? If someone points out issues with say the Church of Scientology that casts them in a bad light does that qualify as hate speech? Will companies throw in the towel and simply remove anything with > X complaints giving in to astroturfing hate complaints as a way to stifle legitimate criticism? As with many ideas, t

          • So, does this mean people who refer to "rape culture" will finally be forced to shut up?

          • You're not a lawyer, as you said, so obviously you're missing the reason why the above is pretty fucked up.

            First of all there's no clear definition of what constitutes a 'threat' against those groups, and it is established international law that 'refugees' have the right of asylum. So let's say you don't like economic (or even civil war) refugees coming to your country in the hundreds of thousands due to their way of life. (patriarchal, non-democratic, etc, views/actions) Send them back / keep them out.

            Make

            • by rastos1 ( 601318 ) on Tuesday May 31, 2016 @04:04PM (#52220271)

              Oxford Dictionary:
              threat: noun; a statement of an intention to inflict pain, injury, damage, or other hostile action on someone in retribution for something done or not done.

              So if I post "I don't want them to come to my country because they will overload and ruin our social system" it's not a threat. If I post "we should beat the crap out of Syrians coming to establish Sharia law in my country", yes that is a threat.

              The law that I quoted, is not something that is new. It exists for decades and there are at about 2-3 cases per year,where it is applied in a court (and it makes headlines). I.e. I don't see it creating the mess you forecast. That can change as the refugee crisis mounts up again, but that is yet to be seen.

            • If you are a lawyer you should understand that there is no true international law, established or otherwise, because there is no enforcement mechanism that can be brought to bear equally in every corner of the world. Even countries with advanced rule of law have all kinds of problems defining jurisdiction, extradition rights, and problems leading towards sovereignty issues. Only a few countries have the ability to enforce there definition of international law and that relies on political pressure backed up

          • lawyer speak says we can pick apart each word here. who decides what is a threat? and how serious does the threat need to be???

            what incites you might not incite the masses, but it still incited you, is that hate speech? with trigger warnings now everything is hate speech to some group.

            this is not the correct answer, the correct answer is to let the haters talk
          • by Cederic ( 9623 )

            Whoever publicly [...]
            b) defames such group or individual
            [...] will be punished by imprisonment from 1 up to 3 years

            Now throw in interpretation of defamation, where drawing attention to the race or religion of the Rotherham rapists could be construed as defamation and suddenly you can't say a fucking thing about anybody.

            Shit, a year in jail for describing the French as cheese eating surrender monkeys? That's what that law dictates. That's fucking horrific.

        • I find that view offensive, please remove it.
      • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

        by INT_QRK ( 1043164 )
        "Hate Speech" - Noun, (1) Any speech about which the Left disapproves or consider contradictory to Leftist goals or objectives. (2) A political term to justify censorship or persecution on enemies. See Stalin, Joseph.
      • Re: (Score:2, Funny)

        by Anonymous Coward

        Butters: Do I have to, sir?

        PC Principal: All I'm asking you to do is go through their social media and delete the two or three comments that are mean.

        Butters: PC Principal, ah I don't think you quite realize how much negative stuff I have to sift through.

      • Same person who gets to decide it in the US. Mr. Z
      • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

        by Atrox666 ( 957601 )

        SJWs of course. All those people can get off welfare and use those gender studies degrees.

        Only really serious hate speech, like disagreeing with anything a woman or person of colour says.

        It'll be fine, and if you disagree you will be required to get a 2 inch tall tattoo on your forehead that says "Shitlord".

      • by tsqr ( 808554 )

        exactly. who gets to decide what hate speech is real and what is imagined?

        According to TFS, it will be Microsoft, Twitter, YouTube, Google, and Facebook. And, you can look at the "code of conduct" here [europa.eu].

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    • I think people who disagree with my political views are engaging in hate speech. Can I get to decide?

    • Hate Speech = not voteing our way!

    • The slope is nothing BUT slippery :(

      Everybody gets so damned butthurt about EVERYTHING....

  • Well thats (Score:3, Insightful)

    by maroberts ( 15852 ) on Tuesday May 31, 2016 @02:09PM (#52218879) Homepage Journal

    Doubleplusgood

  • by ScentCone ( 795499 ) on Tuesday May 31, 2016 @02:10PM (#52218883)

    This agreement is an important step forward to ensure that the internet remains a place of free and democratic expression, where European values and laws are respected.

    So, European values don't actually include free expression. Will bouncing back and forth between these too opposing goals cause so much friction that the interwebs actually catch on fire?

    • by Hylandr ( 813770 )

      More importantly the EU will have more tools to effectively squelch honest reporting about the current ISIS invasion.

    • No country has completely unfettered free speech, including the US. In both the US and the EU. In the US, this includes:
      - incitement to imminent lawless action is not protected speech
      - false statements of fact are often not protected speech (libel and slander fit here)
      - child pornography is not protected
      - fighting words are not protected
      - speech owned by others is not protected
      - commercial speech has diminished protections (eg false adverts may be punished or prohibited)
      - speech made in a way that invokes a

      • In the US at Ieast I would characterize free speech as an absence of governmental prior restraint. Freedom of speech does not imply freedom from consequences. You can say you will do X and be arrested to prevent you from actually doing X, but it is the action or potential action that is being prevented, not the speech. I agree it is a hard line to draw and clearly society can determine where it draws the line; and not everyone will agree on where the line is drawn. Private organizations have no obligation
      • by lgw ( 121541 )

        Incitement to immediate violence may be the only legitimate example in your list of prior restraint of speech based on content (the special treatment of child pornography is blatantly unconstitutional, but no one cares to protest that one). Libel and slander are a tort, not a crime. Fraud is a crime, but that's a regulation of business practice, not of speech per se (a lot of fraud involves what you don't say).

        Particularly in the realm of political speech, only incitement to immediate violence should ever

  • Emacs (Score:5, Funny)

    by 110010001000 ( 697113 ) on Tuesday May 31, 2016 @02:10PM (#52218895) Homepage Journal
    Thank goodness. Now I am free to express my view that Emacs is the best editor and no one can attack me!
  • Does that include

    I don't want these ##%^&(*&@ windows 10 updates

  • When some hateful bigot is accused of "xenophobia", this incites hatred toward people with actual phobias. The mentally ill are being equated with crappy people who don't actually have a mental illness, and whose views perhaps deserve to be hated. Some people with actual phobias, diagnosed by actual doctors, get sick of the constant media comparisons to people who are motivated by hate. More like Hatebook IMO
    • by b0bby ( 201198 )

      What about substances which are hydrophobic or oleophobic?

  • by SuperKendall ( 25149 ) on Tuesday May 31, 2016 @02:22PM (#52219027)

    The recent terror attacks have reminded us of the urgent need to address illegal online hate speech

    What? What speech was said that triggered the attacks? The attacks would have been done regardless of what anyone said.

    Even if you buy into the nonsense the west is responsible for the attacks that is still because of something the west DID, not because of what they SAID.

    In the end the "illegal online hate speech" will be anything that displeases the ruling class. History has shown us again and again how well it turns out when all news is just censored propaganda.

    • AC already beat me too it but to add - it's right there in the summary:

      Social media is unfortunately one of the tools that terrorist groups use to radicalise young people and racist use to spread violence and hatred. This agreement is an important step forward to ensure that the internet remains a place of free and democratic expression, where European values and laws are respected."

      Nowhere in her quote is their a suggestion that they are doing this out of some need to assuage western guilt as your comment implies.

      IMO this isn't really as newsworthy as people are making it out to be. While I don't agree with them European countries have had hate speech laws on their books since the end of WW II. If some American companies want to pander to these laws in order to grow their market or avoid some other regulatory overs

  • i hate having to read about hate.
  • by bobbied ( 2522392 ) on Tuesday May 31, 2016 @02:27PM (#52219103)

    George Orwell was right, he was just a man before his time... He should have titled his book 2016...

  • by argStyopa ( 232550 ) on Tuesday May 31, 2016 @02:36PM (#52219199) Journal

    Let's all remember that this doesn't really REMOVE hate speech. It hides it, allowing us all to feel wonderful about ourselves and that we've "done something" about hate speech.

    We haven't *actually* DONE anything.

    Like Juncker's fantastically anti-democratic reaction to the threat of the Ã-FP victory in Austria (I won't allow any far-right reactionaries any power in the EU!), Europe seems to fundamentally "not get" how democracy works. When confronted with something unpleasant, they try to ban it.

    The only cure for unpleasant speech is more speech. Anything else ultimately makes it worse.

  • Donald Trump's divisive rhetoric made this necessary -- well, that and the white trash to which it appeals. Fortunately, we are seeing increasingly rapid replacement of whites the world over by more vibrant populations that keep their women barefoot and pregnant. So this, quite reasonable, limitation of freedom of speech is only a temporary measure.

  • Typo (Score:5, Insightful)

    by countach44 ( 790998 ) on Tuesday May 31, 2016 @02:56PM (#52219453)
    Microsoft, Facebook, YouTube and Others Agree To Remove Free Speech Across the EU

    FTFY

    Babies and bathwater, slippery slopes, boiling frogs, etc...
  • http://tribune.com.pk/story/11... [tribune.com.pk]

    Seems what he is saying now qualifies as hate speech.

  • Given that hate speech these days is defined as "Things I don't agree with", this is simply going to end with those in charge deciding what people can and cannot talk about. I suppose it's a plus if your guys are the ones in charge, not so much if you're on the other side. I would say that the road to hell is paved with good intentions, but I don't think there are even good intentions here. This is just a power grab by those in charge to shut up people they don't like. They're only using terrorism as a
  • Microsoft, Twitter, YouTube, Google, and Facebook ... aren't legally obligated, but have agreed ...

    Great! A conspiracy of the major industry players to censor unpopular opinions from their services.

    Seems to me, in the U.S., that would constitute an illegal cartel.

    Remember when the Internet was going to improve freedom of speech? Apparently not in Europe.

    Fortunately, the peer-to-peer approaches to conferencing still work. This just means that people using these commercial services, either to conference or

  • European values and laws are respected

    Yea, didn't we fight a revolution to get rid of those things?

    The stupidity of people never ceases to amaze me. You might not like the Nazis, but trying to silence them just makes the situation worse.

    Look at the KKK in the USA, they are a joke. They have their little rallies and parades, but most people just roll their eyes at them. But if you tried to ban them, they would grow massively in support overnight.

    So let the Nazis spew their hate speech in the light where everyone can laugh at it.

  • It's neat to live long enough to watch society repeat old mistakes.

    Those old dudes decided that speech is an inalienable right of humans for a reason, ya know? (Of course, even they didn't anticipate government prohibiting a plant.) There will be hate speech. The only place it's safe is out in the open where the speaker gets a broad audience and some fair feedback. Push it underground to small groups of people looking for it and you've got real problems brewing.

    Call me whatever you want, just don't call me

  • No difference as far as I can see.

    You can go anywhere and say things that are politically correct for that area. You have free speech in North Korea, as long as you don't say anything politically incorrect.

  • Corporate governance over our lives is near complete already. Add your name to an effort to stop it non-violently while/if we can : http://www.movetoamend.org/ [movetoamend.org]

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