ACLU Sues Anaheim Police For Public Records On Cell Phone Surveillance (scpr.org) 29
New submitter Lacey Waymire writes: The ACLU of Northern California is suing for a release of public records regarding Anaheim police's use of cell phone surveillance devices. "We don't think any surveillance devices, particularly these sorts of invasive cell phone surveillance devices, should ever be acquired or used without intense public debate and the adoption of safeguards to ensure they are only used in ways that follow our Constitution and laws," attorney Matt Cagle said. (See this Boing Boing posting with a bit more on "the happiest surveillance state on earth.")
Can the ACLU protect the ENTIRE Constitution? (Score:1)
In particular the 2nd and 10th Amendments....
Re:Can the ACLU protect the ENTIRE Constitution? (Score:4, Insightful)
Sure, as soon as the NRA and Republican Party support the 8th, 16th, 17th, 24th and 26th Amendments.
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Pro 1st Amendment argument, #47.
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Wrong.
http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.or... [deathpenaltyinfo.org]
Which were outlawed in 1964, and brought back by the GOP starting in 2010.
http://nymag.com/daily/intelli... [nymag.com]
Started in 2008, and accelerated in 2012.
http://www.nytimes.com/2 [nytimes.com]
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WE don't give a fuck about politics. Tell us about the tech in the surveillance equipment.
You speak for everyone?
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No. The OP was using the pregnant "we."
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Of course if you want to play ostrich, nobody is stopping you, but don't try to force others to play with you.
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Lets discuss how to get engineers to quit designing shit that gets used by the police state in a constitutionally illegal manner.
Yes, lets stop working on any advances in carbon nanotubes, especially. Because someone might use that technology to build a gun that can use high powered rounds but isn't a material that can be picked up by airline security scans.
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The leading candidate for one of the parties says that if he's elected, we'll have the classiest, swankiest surveillance state of all countries in the world. It'll be so great it'll make your head spin. And we'll make people with vowels at the end of their name pay for it.
Me? I like Ike.
Nondisclosure agreements (Score:5, Interesting)
There have been plenty of instances where people have tried to pry open the "secret" door number 3" and look at whats inside. In lots of news articles each agency (state and federal) has cited a legally binding nondisclosure agreement with the manufacturer as to why they aren't allowed to disclose any information regarding the use and specifications of the so called Stingray device. Until some court invalidates the NDA good luck getting any information on those things. It seems to me since federal and state money is being spent on these things the public has a certain right to know how much. Also I believe that there are several court cases pending where stingrays were used to catch the perpetrator and the defense has tried to subpoena data about them and has never been successful.
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Also I believe that there are several court cases pending where stingrays were used to catch the perpetrator and the defense has tried to subpoena data about them and has never been successful.
Even better, the prosecutors dropped the charges. They're so afraid of having this technology evaluated in front of a judge, they're willing to drop criminal charges to keep the Stingray workings a secret.
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Offer a letter that has a very good deal early on? No more lawyer asking questions in open court.
Ensure no funds can be found or accessed to get a good private legal team and needed local experts. Offer other legal services that have less funds to legally trace a case back to its origins.
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You see, the whole "NDAs that are legally binding" argument seems like complete BS. IANAL, but in my adult life having to deal with quite a few contracts, I have learned a few things. One of them being that contract law is literally the lowest form of law in existence. If a clause in a contract contradicts a law at any higher level, that clause is automatically null and void. If I sign a contract that says you are allowed to kill me, if you kill me, that clause in the contract will be found void, and yo
Re: Nondisclosure agreements (Score:1)
My understanding on the injury clauses is that
A) It forces at least a formal signed acknowledgement of the potential for injury
B) It reduces since of the not frivolous injury claims