How Anonymous' War With Isis Is Actually Harming Counter-Terrorism (metro.co.uk) 393
retroworks writes: According to a recent tweet from the #OpParis account, Anonymous are delivering on their threat to hack Isis, and are now flooding all pro-Isis hastags with the grandfather of all 2007 memes — Rick Astley's "Never Gonna Give You Up" music video. Whenever a targeted Isis account tries to spread a message, the topic will instead be flooded with countless videos of Rick Astley circa 1987. Not all are praising Anonymous methods, however. While Metro UK reports that the attacks have been successful, finding and shutting down 5,500 Twitter accounts, the article also indicates that professional security agencies have seen sources they monitor shut down. Rick Astley drowns out intelligence as well as recruitment.
What is this, click bait? (Score:5, Insightful)
Or is it just more proof that
Re:What is this, click bait? (Score:5, Funny)
Or is it just more proof that /.'s editors could be replaced with a poorly coded .php script?
No, it is proof that /.'s editors HAVE BEEN replaced with a poorly coded .php script!
Re:What is this, click bait? (Score:5, Insightful)
No, it is proof that /.'s editors HAVE BEEN replaced with a poorly coded .php script!
This is slashdot, it's a poorly coded perl script.
Re: What is this, click bait? (Score:2)
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This is slashdot, it's a poorly coded perl script.
Nah, it's a PhP script. But given that any collection of random characters is executable perl, it runs with interesting results.
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You must be new here. This site never had real editors...
Some of the old folks tell a legend of CmdrTaco and a time when there where real editors.
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So many mentions, but no link to the real rick roll. I expected better from you /.
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Here you go [youtube.com]
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Stock Waterman wrote it.
Stock Aitken Waterman. No need to miss out Matt Aitken!
Re:Worse than clickbait ! (Score:5, Insightful)
Hell, if they were so successful in monitoring ISIS, why the fuck weren't they able to stop the Paris attacks from happening in the first place?
I don't know what's scarier, ISIS itself, or the fact that international intelligence agencies are so clearly inept that they're actually incapable of stopping any sort of terror attacks. If they actually DID manage to stop terror attacks, they would be trumpeting their victories loudly and on the front page of every newspaper and every news website this side of the GMT line. The fact that they haven't is pretty much proof positive that in fact they haven't managed to do a damn thing.
Between the US and Europe, we're practically lining up to sacrifice our rights in the name of "security", but the fact of the matter is that the emperor has no clothes - if our governments haven't managed to prevent these sorts of attacks given the atrocious level of personal privacy we've had to give up already, what proof do we have that they'd be able to do so while giving up more rights? Yet this is exactly what politicians are going to demand that we do in the wake of the Paris attacks.
I'm not terrified of ISIS. Statistically speaking, I'm most likely not going to be gunned down by some angry dude with an AK-47. What I AM terrified of is our governments systematically stripping our rights under the guise of preventing terror, which they've been objectively shown to be unable to do in the first place.
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I don't know that I would peg this as incompetence by our intelligence agencies.
A large problem we face is that recent years have shown it is in their best interests to let the attacks happen. It's pretty trivial to claim that the terrorists were just one step ahead and there was no way to know the attack was going to happen. Afterward, governments fall all over themselves trying to give the intelligence agencies more power to stop the next attack.
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I am not a security expert, but my thoughts are that "Anonymous" isn't really hurting anything.
1) An article from The Guardian speculating that Anonymous might be doing more harm than good does not equate to national intelligence agencies complaining that Anonymous is doing more harm than good.
2) If intelligence agencies are watching Twitter accounts for covert intelligence, that is idiotic. Twitter posts are public, easy to find, and unencrypted (I suppose you could hide a secret message in a Twitter post
Re:Worse than clickbait ! (Score:4, Insightful)
2) If intelligence agencies are watching Twitter accounts for covert intelligence, that is idiotic. Twitter posts are public, easy to find, and unencrypted (I suppose you could hide a secret message in a Twitter post, but anyway...). It seems to me that the Rickrolling is perfect for disrupting ISIS sponsored Twitter recruitment accounts. When it comes to actually planning attacks, I imagine this makes no difference whatsoever--that is more likely done by ISIS on encrypted non-public channels that the intelligence agencies are trying to find and decrypt.
Except that they're not using encrypted channels to do the planning and execution. That's been made abundantly clear in the last week with multiple articles in the papers telling us as much. All of their chatter was done over phone texting. That's it. Nothing fancy. Nothing requiring any government to intrude on or break otherwise normal encrypted messaging. Maybe that's the problem. We've built up a boogieman in our minds that is this incredible supervillian-esque monster that's going to be doing everything on side channels with embedded encryption protocols and stenographic images.
I mean, that's what they're doing, right? It's what the old Soviet regimes were thought to do. Who knows, maybe these guys are just stuck in the world the way it was thirty or forty years ago.
To my mind it goes back to the OP's point. They're not using intelligence to stop these people. The question is it incompetence, malfeasance, apathy, or some combination of all three?
Re:Worse than clickbait ! (Score:4, Insightful)
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Except they've taken away our right to privacy and haven't done shit in the past 14 years. So I think we have a perfect right to complain that these "operatives" cant find their ass with two hands.
People in glass houses (Score:2)
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They're not using intelligence to stop these people. The question is it incompetence, malfeasance, apathy, or some combination of all three?
Add in a side of blind naked ambition for power, and the answer is yes.
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There is also the possibility that they are monitoring particular terrorist links but don't want to divulge that. If the terrorists are communicating over text-messages and they have made any effort to compartmentalize information (even a tiny bit), any proactive actions taken by an intelligence agency would lead the terrorists to specific people that are being monitored. That's far more telling from an adversaries perspective then a generic 'all text messages are analyzed'. I am not part of any nations ver
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2) The CIA etc. are very, very good at identifying leadership, money, and top players. That is what their intel does.
3) When they do stop an attack, they do NOT broadcast it. Instead they try to backtrack it the higher ups, taking them out. They can't do this if they tell the news.
4) We are sacrificing many rights for false security. Airline crap is a prime example. Not only does it not work, but it is costly. Similarly, they are
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Intelligence agencies might as well advertise their successes - after all, it's not like their opponents don't know, duh.
Also, France is now being pretty public after each operation. This is not the cold war era.
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I changed it a couple of months ago, in reaction to the continual insistence by the greater LGBT movement in encouraging the idea that cross-dressers and drag queens fit into the same category as transsexuals - and not understanding the distinction themselves. That, and how if anyone speaks anything ill about them, it will harm "the community." It's screwed up public perception so much that the public pretty much assumes we're gay. Screw them. They can keep their outdated concepts such as "community" and "s
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... the only thing that makes the news in a big way is a successful terror attack.
just like, we don't hear about successful terror attacks in cities we don't really care about. Russia, the middle east, africa, asia.
this one was sexy because it had a high body count, France is fucking FRANCE, and its got europe scared.
incidentally, you hear about the couple of europeans (think there was a brit) and 3 americans that prevented a mass shooting on a train half a year ago?
the answer is, nobody died so who fuckin
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Actually, no. The ver
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http://www.washingtonsblog.com... [washingtonsblog.com]
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It depends on your definition of not stop. It contributed to stopping numerous plots. It wasn't however the only thing used to stop those plots. Or did you not read the report and instead used a news media you know is biased?
When you say, "how many plots were stopped by the metadata program SOLELY", you are going to get a different number than the number of plots stopped by a combination of methods. This difference in language is what the Washington's Blog is exploiting there. Read the actual statement
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All this attention, you are going to make me blush. Perhaps if you put this much effort into the opposite sex you wouldn't be living in your mom's basement with no dating prospects.
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If he put this much effort into the opposite sex, he'd be in prison for aggravated stalking.
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Yeah! Terrorists aren't like Marvin the Martian wondering where the America-shattering kaboom they were expecting is, no, they assume that if they didn't hear about the explosion it's because Allah made all the idiots in America not notice the explosion. Imagine the harm if they realized that all the times their shit didn't blow up it was because the government stopped them!
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Or possibly - just possibly - several attacks a year are thwarted, thousands of lives are saved, dozens of terrorists are prevented from enacting harm. And one attack out of the scores that were successfully halted in the past few years kills 128 people and cunts like you bleat on about some nonsense conspiracy.
The intelligence services don't have to let one through on purpose. It's going to happen whether they want it to or not. They know this, and that means they can wait for it to happen before re-iterat
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They aren't sociopaths like so many Slashdot commentators? They have normal human emotions?
Two words: Dick Cheney.
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That was two wasted words. Dick Cheney was Secretary of Defense and Vice President, he wasn't in the intelligence community. He also doesn't seem to suffer from various personality disorders and syndromes common here. He has also been away from power for a very long time and yet he still bothers you. I suspect that is more a reflection of what is going on between your ears than his.
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He has also been away from power for a very long time
So has Hitler, for an even longer time, but that doesn't render him irrelevant when talking about sociopaths.
Re:Worse than clickbait ! (Score:5, Funny)
1. Richard Reid—December 2001. A British citizen and self-professed follower of Osama bin Laden who trained in Afghanistan, Richard Reid hid explosives inside his shoes before boarding a flight from Paris to Miami on which he attempted to light the fuse with a match. Reid was caught in the act and apprehended aboard the plane by passengers and flight attendants. FBI officials took Reid into custody after the plane made an emergency landing at Boston’s Logan International Airport.[3]
I'm fucking laughing so hard.
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Yeah, because things like this is just propaganda:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... [wikipedia.org]
I'm sure the Yazidis beheaded themselves.
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Did I say that only Muslims can be terrorists? You claimed that Islam isn't violent right from the leader and that they aren't currently engaged in the most vile of violent attacks against every non Muslim. That is incorrect.
All terrorists should be stopped, currently the worst of them are the Muslim terrorists. There are terrorists in every religion, even the "non violent" Buddhists have their own terrorist groups. Other people doing it is no excuse to try to stop it in every place it happens.
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http://slashdot.org/comments.p... [slashdot.org]
You claimed that he is reading all the propaganda when he states what has been in the news as happening recently, as well as since the beginning of Islam. I then linked a Wikipedia entry detailing what has been happening recently, and you try to claim that it isn't only Muslims, like that has any bearing on the conversation of how horrible the Muslims have been acting recently. Like somehow a Christian response in CAR to Muslim violence is on the level of murdering a whole
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If the so called 'professional security agencies' have been so successfully monitoring Islamic State's account why didn't they stop the people being recruited into the terrorist organization?
I would hazard a guess that its best for them to create a list of all people communicating so they can work out the networks in more detail, you don;t want to show your hand before you have to otherwise they change the way they communicate.
Great going, dicedot (Score:3)
We all knew this about a week ago, thanks very much.
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Since when has news on Slashdot ever, ever been timely? Young whipper-snappers don't know how good they've got it, back in my day news was late, a dupe from last week end TFA was slashdotted so we had to get it from some karma whore posting it in the comments. Then the trolls would post fake versions... I miss those days.
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Then the trolls would post fake versions... I miss those days.
Which days? These ones:
mirror of the article here [goatse.cx]
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That was always good for a laugh...unless you were the guy reading from work...
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You shitting me? I don't click on arbitrary links on Slashdot from home, I don't even browse it on a work PC.
I also enabled the setting a few years back that tells me the site hosting a link..
mirror of the article here [goatse.cx]
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I didn't know that was a feature you could disable, but yeah, I see the part in the [] as well.
What's more effective? (Score:2, Insightful)
It all comes down to whats more effective. IMHO shutting down recruitment has more value.
Also, so called intelligence didn't stop France attacks ... so the value of monitoring the sources is even more dubious.
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Spoofing socialmedia would be even better, wouldn't it? Say a flurry of faked tweets indicating that a given village is falling to the cause, drawing Daesh fighters to a kill zone?
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It all comes down to whats more effective. IMHO shutting down recruitment has more value.
I'm inclined to agree. ISIS is outstanding in its application of social media as a recruitment tool. If potential recruits can be frustrated or outed in "honeypot" sites, then a major component of their organization is compromised. If they get reduced to doing their recruiting door-to-door, then it's going to be much harder to enlist people, since their personal behavior is generally not up to the standards of culture and civilization that you'd expect from a pack of rabid dogs. And it would greatly reduce
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Also, so called intelligence didn't stop France attacks ... so the value of monitoring the sources is even more dubious.
That's armchair quarterbacking, 20/20 hindsight is always easy. What you do with what you know can be more important than the knowledge itself.
While I understand the false assumption GP is making, what attacks have the monitoring prevented? I'm honestly asking.
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Think about it. The government of France has the means to spy on the communication within their country through ISPs since 2006.
Obviously, the ability to know what kind of pornsites you're visiting was very effective in preventing terrorism.
It should be. Pure-Hearted Martyrs for the Faith in organizations such as Al-quaeda are notably fond of alchohol and porn. IIRC, even Bin Laden himself had a stash.
So monitoring porn sites and liquor stores can be very important.
Bullshit (Score:5, Insightful)
If the intellegency can't do their job just because Anonymous is shutting down public Twitter accounts and flodding Rick Astley video on hashtags, then they are not competent at their job. They have direct access to all these social media databases which Anonymous doesn't.
Anything that hinders ISIS in spreading their message is a good thing.
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Or at least indirect - at most a warrant away, on those occasions intelligence agencies actually bother with such hindrances as the legal system.
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It's not that they "can't do their job", it's that it's making it harder than it could be. I'm completely against mass monitoring of populations, but if the security services have gone to a judge to get a warrant to monitor an individual then I have to accept that they've jumped through the legal hoops, so they should be allowed to get on with their job.
By Anonymous outing people (that can't go wrong can it), and shutting down accounts, then the security services access (legal or otherwise) to social media
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And er... what exactly are they supposed to do *before* hand anyway ?
This is the free world - we aren't allowed to lock people up who haven't committed a crime. Sure conspiracy is a crime, but it's not an easy one to prove.
The truth is there is very little that free countries *can* do to prevent terrorism, which is why it's been a part of their history for the last 200 years. There is nothing new or special about current events. There has been some group or another bombing civilians in Europe or the USA every single decade since well before the US revolution.
This is just the latest in a long, long line and at no point in all that history has your risk of dying in such an attack *ever* been higher than about 1 millionth of your risk of dying because you slipped in the shower. Suicide is a much more likely way to die.
Actually in terms of ways to die... this is so far down the list that there is absolutely *no* sanity in being the least bit concerned about it. And everybody losing their minds over it is simply abundant proof that humans are absolutely terrible at risk assessment.
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Even when the conspirators are sitting on a stockpile of forged documents, assault rifles, ammunition and explosives?
Criminals (of any sort, not just terrorists) need tools and intelligence (of the targeting sort, not the brainpower sort), and the best opportunity to stop them is during the phase where they're gathering that stuff. Obviously, you're not going to do much if the attacker is basically walking out the door with a knife and stabbing t
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Even when the conspirators are sitting on a stockpile of forged documents, assault rifles, ammunition and explosives?
In the south, that is called Friday night. You just need some alcohol for good measure.
Assault rifles, explosives, and ammunition are not against the law. Forged documents, it really depends on what it is and if you try to pass it off as legitimate.
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Sigh. Like I said "it's making it harder than it could be", ie. Monitoring these accounts may have made everything easier, so if they lose that avenue their job goes back to what it was like in the past.
I don't disagree that a huge amount of this is security theatre - I find the UK's new security bill obscene, and increasing the size of the haystack when trying to find a needle is stupid. But if you've found an individual of interest, you'd be fool to ignore every avenue of investigation.
The fact that the p
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It depends on the strike. If it is from a drone, you are unlikely to find much to catch.
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Sound investigatory practices would seek to gain by the chaos being caused in communications. Tracking the sites means tracking the members and as communications are disrupted more risky exposed communications are set up, often leading deeper into those organisations. The only real problem is spy vs spy being cut off and risk being exposed as they hastily attempt to re-establish communications. Might be a bad thing, however as several countries have been playing as terrorists in order to further corporate a
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If the intellegency can't do their job just because Anonymous is... flodding Rick Astley video on hashtags, then they are not competent at their job.
Agree 100%. Unless these morons are using effing HootSuite, ANY competently-written social media crawler can filter out this kind of stuff. The ONLY effect that this will have is to make it harder for lower-tech users (such as ISIS recruiters/recruitees) to get their message across on the medium.
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The general opinions in this conversation boil down to two sentiments:
They aren't stopping attacks so they must not be doing their jobs!
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If Anonymous is 'getting in their way' then they must be incompetent!
with a dash of
They must be allowing these attacks to happen to keep us scared, it's a conspiracy!
thrown in for good measure from the paranoid conspiracy theory crowd.
I've said it before on this subject and I'll say it again: Unless you're a current or past analyst for an intelligence agency, you don't know a gods-be-damned thing about being an intelligence analyst, and watching Jason Bourne and James Bond movies doesn't mean a gods-be-damned thing. Anything that any of you have to say on the subject is just you
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Anonymous has likely gotten some honey pot accounts shut down. That would hinder their ability to honey pot people looking to join DAESH, wouldn't it?
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Thanks for scratching that OCD itch. It was bugging me that this one was sitting at 4, then 5, until it finally hit 6. It just bugs me when you post 4/6 then take forever to post the other two.
So, when are you going to stop posting 6 posts at a time showing all your technical incompetence and inability to understand basic English / basic computer concepts?
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And, APK, I have read that you very likely have Narcissistic Personality Disorder and Obsessive Compulsive Disorder. Your point? I willingly admitted that I have mild Autism, you still persist in denying that there is anything wrong with you, despite the obvious evidence.
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It is only libel if it isn't true, are you ready to submit to a psychiatric evaluation to prove you don't have NPD and OCD?
Also, just like you, I didn't claim it myself, I claimed I read it, which I did:
http://slashdot.org/comments.p... [slashdot.org]
But, keep beating that dead horse, we can all tell what issues you have, they are apparent to all those who aren't APK.
No need for me to respond yet again to your Greatest hits fails, I already did repeatedly, and even just recently, you just don't believe you can ever be wro
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The Professionals (Score:2, Insightful)
Rickrolling will never be the same (Score:4, Funny)
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s/Rickrolling/Consequences/
Did intel actually complain? (Score:3)
One guy: "‘When it comes to terrorist attacks, one of the big worries is that you could take down forums and cost someone their lives,’ a GhostSec spokesman known only as Digital Shadow told..." And it is the really the article author that is telling us, even Mr. Shadow simply said it was a worry.
I didn't think Anon was all that good before, something like the medicine is as bad as the disease. You could say they were close to terrorists themselves, as their releases hurt lots of good people, no matter how worthy their cause was.
This is of course, a good cause. The best. If there was ever a way for Anon to redeem themselves, not just to me, but to the intel hawks in Washington that hate them; this is it. I don't think Intel is complaining, and If they are smart, they can use this to enrich, verify, and prune the intelligence they have now. If they are watching people that get Anon-rolled, then they will see results and reactions, or the lack thereof; all of which is good intel.
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This is of course, a good cause. The best. If there was ever a way for Anon to redeem themselves, not just to me, but to the intel hawks in Washington that hate them; this is it. I don't think Intel is complaining, and If they are smart, they can use this to enrich, verify, and prune the intelligence they have now. If they are watching people that get Anon-rolled, then they will see results and reactions, or the lack thereof; all of which is good intel.
Yep. There is no legitimate argument against this behavior, because if you're worried about them filtering out positives you just watch what they're doing and then study up who they're doing it to. Anonymous is probably better at it than the security services, so in fact they're making things easier.
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I suspect that the "anonymous" attacks are .. (Score:5, Interesting)
Yes, because instead of disrupting their comms... (Score:2)
No shit (Score:2)
But that assumes there
Speaking of recruitment... (Score:4, Interesting)
They certainly like to talk about 'radicalization' as though it is something that can insidiously corrupt anyone exposed to enemy propaganda, regardless of their prior circumstances; but what do we actually know about the impressionability of these 'radicalized' targets? Does it actually work on anyone; or primarily on people who were somewhere between deeply skeptical of, and overtly hostile to, 'the west' in the first place?
In the same vein, given that there are nontrivial numbers of people who are anywhere between skeptical and hostile; are we actually worse off if the sinister terrorist propaganda incites them to leave and go join the glorious struggle in jihadistan? Yes, having more recruits available makes our attempt to pretend that Iraq isn't a total clusterfuck harder; but it also means that the people who most actively dislike us are no longer living next door and brooding; but off getting themselves killed, or enjoying their medieval theocracy.
I'd certainly wan to avoid having people leave and then return; that is just asking for trouble; but are we actually worse off if the people who like us least have an exciting relocation option?
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Stop monitoring, start fighting! (Score:2, Interesting)
All what the secrets are doing is surveillance. All they want to do is monitoring. It is safe, and convenient. When will we starting taking real action? Like fight those guys? Anonymous came and did fight, did destroy those communication channels. Should we be sorry as there is nothing to monitor or be happy the bad guys have one less way to communicate?
Surveillance will not stop terrorism.
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When will we starting taking real action? Like fight those guys?
So airstrikes aren't real action? Just what do you want?
Do please take into account regional tensions and global politics in your answer, unless of course you want to confirm your stupidity.
Pity poor Rick Aston (Score:3, Funny)
Anonymous on my side vs the police state, Hmmm... (Score:2)
At least Anonymous does not have a vested interest in perpetuating the conflict forever as a means of state control.
I just imagined... (Score:5, Funny)
A large room in the NSA building, filled with serious men in dark suits sitting in front of hundreds of computers.
Every few minutes "Never gonna give you up" is heard from a random place in the room.
Filtering out is so very difficult! (Score:3)
pretty sure america funding isis (Score:2)
in order to destabilize syria has beeb a bigger problem for counter terrorism!
Stay out of the deep end (Score:2)
Laugh... (Score:2)
"the article also indicates that professional security agencies have seen sources they monitor shut down. "
And why would that be a problem? "Security agencies" don't seem to be aware, able, or willing to stop attacks.
France has now passed more laws using the Paris attack as an excuse, and they got it done quickly (like faster than the PATRIOT act).
Ponder that then read this.
https://theintercept.com/2015/... [theintercept.com]
And that's not the only example of FBI manufactured "terrorist".
Thinking beyond the short game to the long play... (Score:2)
While this is undoubtedly harming some existing intelligence gathering operations, it's probably more useful in providing other information such as how does ISIS's network react when attacked by another network actor. Think of Anonymous as the hounds chasing ISIS for the the intel community. Watching ISIS's online behaviour under attack is probably very useful.
Rick Astley? (Score:2)
Why not play Moonlight Sonata [wikipedia.org]? The intelligence is just about as effective as it was for Coventry.
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More like the NSA and other 3 letter organizations are being shown up by Anons.
Not really. This was an obvious possible backfire.
Also, you don't tell the other guy you broke his codes. Intelligence is by its nature secretive. It is as tinfoil-hat to believe that the NSA has never intercepted intelligence to stop terrorist attacks as it is to believe that they are listening to every conversation within range of any microphone.
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you don't tell the other guy you broke his codes
There are no "codes". These are public postings for the purpose of recruiting easily manipulated people - and using facebook, twitter, and youtube is like shooting fish in a barrel.
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"The problem with slashdot is that most of its users were bullied and stuffed into lockers as kids!"
Actually this is our key advantage.
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Sheesh, the article is right. Rick Astley does drown out intelligence.
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Okay, here's the BBC's version [bbc.com], then. Enjoy.
(We have the Metro in Stockholm as well. Same thing, only in Swedish, with yesterday's Swedish news and lots of ads.)