Finnish Police: If You See Uber Car, Call 911 330
emakinen writes: The police in Helsinki, Finland has announced in a tweet that if you see someone driving Uber car, you should call 911 (or actually, 112 in Finland). In an article in the local newspaper they have explained that there is an ongoing investigation to find out whether or not Uber is legal in Finland and they want to interrogate Uber drivers. Normally you should have a permit to drive a taxi in Finland.
Wow Finland! (Score:4, Funny)
I'm glad Finland has no other problems for the police to worry about.
Re:Wow Finland! (Score:5, Insightful)
I'm glad Finland has no other problems for the police to worry about.
Yeah, I don't know whether I want to move there because they clearly have no crime nor emergencies to deal with, or make sure to never visit there because they treat the desire to interview someone like a police emergency.
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Why don't the police just book an Uber driver to come to them? Maybe don't ask for collection in front of the police station, in case it's too obvious.
There must be more to this than we have, it doesn't make sense and the Finnish police are not that dumb.
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Because that would be entrapment.
Re:Wow Finland! (Score:5, Interesting)
Pulled this definition from Google.
It doesn't count as entrapment if you just use the usual method to book the Uber car. If the guy is signed up as an Uber driver, and being an Uber driver is against the law, then the driver is obviously previously disposed to commit the crime. There might be more of a case if they stopped a random guy on the street and offered him $50 to drive him a couple miles down the road. Who wouldn't pass up that offer?
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Sorry, still not entrapment - even by booking him, you aren't enticing the driver to do something he wouldn't have otherwise have been willing to do. He would still be taking bookings before and after you, so he's still culpable.
If you enticed someone to sign up for Uber and then take your booking - that's entrapment. If he's already available to take bookings, its not entrapment.
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In some places, including in the US, I've been told to call 911 for fairly standard police issues. They only man the regular switchboard, 9-5 or something and their 24 hour phone response is hooked to 911. Probably a different budget item or reusing infrastructure or something. Probably also helps because it gives the operators something to do during slow times, and they can hang up/put on hold people with a routine matter when shit starts to go do
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Its just bizarre wording in tweet by Helsinki police and some reporter ran with it to manufacture tiny bit of drama.
The "bizarre wording" was in the translation, not the official tweet, which was not in English.
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Re:Wow Finland! (Score:5, Insightful)
I'm glad Finland has no other problems for the police to worry about.
Law enforcement multi-tasks --- a concept the geek seems to find unusually hard to grasp.
Re: Wow Finland! (Score:2)
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Why give them a raise? You just described a good portion of drivers on American highways if you replace laptops for smartphones.
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Nothing wrong with investigating it. But in many countries, at least, using 911 (or equivalent) for something as trivial as reporting speeders and expired plates would pretty much tie up the entire system with non-emergencies...
Re:Wow Finland! (Score:5, Informative)
If you want to be a police officer in Finland, there's only one school in the entire country that can qualify you. You need lyceum education with good grades. Finnish Intelligence Service will make a background check on you. If you're male, you have to have finished your mandatory military service, and you're credited if you were in military police unit. Citizenship of the country is mandatory.
You have to pass a series of tests to be accepted if you meet all other requirements, which includes a personal interview, various psychological tests as well as written test, physical test and some group work.
You are also required to adhere to ethics code, which is very tight. Essentially you are assumed to represent the police force to people, and as relationship between police and population in Finland is very good, making police look bad due to your bad behaviour will get you ejected from the force very rapidly.
If you are accepted, it's recommended that you live on their campus (which is a closed dorm, and allows visitors only on permission). This is one of the mechanisms they use to weed out problematic individuals.
Typically this takes about 3 years. You complete studies with bachelor's degree in policing which lets you become a basic police officer. Studies include items that vary from relevant laws to criminology to physical conditioning.
If you want to make it a career, you will want to go for master's degree which would allow you to become inspector. That's another ~2 years of studies.
I know this because my alma mater, Tampere university of technology shared a sports facility with the police academy back in the day. It was right next to our campus, so I got to meet a lot of people from that school.
That said, in this case the police are likely being given the order to perform specific investigation from higher up. I.e. inspectors who are people that have master's degree in policing and relevant law and assisted by people with PhD in law as specialists.
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Is really the problem with police - they are only ever able to address a single item at a time, so when they say to call 112 if you see a given (potential) crime as per Finnish law, it means that the police is completely and 100% dedicated to that single (potentially) criminal activity.
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"I'm glad Finland has no other problems for the police to worry ab"
I suppose it wants to issue one of those $65,000 tickets Finland is famous for, maybe on grounds of competing with the local drunk-ass socialists.
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Pretty much. Other than "18 year-old drunken Finnish youth molesting a reindeer" there really isn't much crime in Finland. What there is can be chalked up to the fact that for 7 months of the year, there's not much to do but drink.
Finland isn't even in the top 100 developed countries in terms of crime rates. Clearly, they're not trying hard enough.
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So is speeding and jaywalking. But you don't see me block 911 with such petty shit.
Emergency lines are supposedly for emergencies. Like, say, when there's someone actually being in immediate danger.
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People should also start running naked publicly or having sex on bus. There is no reason to outlaw them!
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having sex on bus.
Does that include the hobos playing pocket pool on our transit busses? Because that has been going on for years.
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False due to clueless poster not knowing what he's talking about.
In Finland, taxis are a part of public infrastructure. When you're a huge country with one of the lowest population densities in the world, you have to make certain adjustments. Taxi licence in Finland requires a significant background check and passing a specific course. Their task, among other things, is to ferry small children to schools in rural areas, assisting the elderly and disabled in transportation for a minimal fee and other similar
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Wow, two horrible analogies in 4 sentences (and 2 of them are the same sentence). Congrats!
Given that the driver is one of those "company shareholders" ie. has as much right to *driving on* road as you do, a better analogy would be "would you call the police if your neighbor drove their car on your shared driveway because their license plate was expired?"
And even if you would (I'm sure there are spiteful pricks who have) - calling 911 to do it is just going to get you scolded by an operator otherwise deali
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Would you call the police if someone drove a car across your private land?
Well, highways also have an owner: the state. The state, in turn, is a corporation with one share per citizen.
Would you call the police if someone drove a car across your private land?
Fuck the state. The state has nothing. The people have everything.
Re:Wow Finland! (Score:4, Informative)
> And the entire point of licensed taxis was to guarantee
> service at all times and to all areas at a fair price.
Actually, the reason why there's a permit required to start a taxi service is because otherwise everyone that had a car could start a underground taxi service. Almost every adult have a car, thus we would have thousands of underground taxi services in the country. They want driving a taxi to be profitable occupation, thus it requires a permit issued by the government. Ordinary people who have cars are not allowed to start a taxi service. Uber should follow the law, and get permits from the government for anyone driving taxis.
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They want driving a taxi to be profitable occupation
Nonsense. In a free market, the profitability of taxi driving will be diminished by competition for fares. In a system of artificial scarcity, the profitability of taxi driving will be diminished by competition for medallions (permits), which often cost over $1Million. In either case, the profitability will be reduced until supply meets demand. The only difference is who benefits. In a free market, the public benefits. In a medallion market, the benefits go to the governement, and are much smaller sin
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Correction - "In a medallion market, the benefits go to the governement" is incorrect. The government issued a fixed number of medallions, but in the many decades since then, the medallions are sold privately, so the money for the medallion goes to the sellers of the medallions. Of course, much more money goes to the current owners of the medallions (who can charge inflated prices to riders, and really screw the drivers, because the market is artificially limited and controlled by the taxi companies).
In NYC
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It the free market one can company as unlicensed drivers uninsured poorly maintained cars
There is nothing wrong with government regulations that require drivers to be licensed, and insured. There is something VERY wrong with government regulations that rig the market, and create artificial scarcity.
pushes other companies out of business or buys them until they are the only one left.
Sorry, but this is baloney. There are near zero barriers to entry, so more companies and individual drivers will enter the market as soon as prices begin to rise. It is ironic that you use the argument that "someone will rig the market" to rationalize government rigging of the market.
Or the government sets minimum standards to insure that there is not a story about horrible taxi accidents every month.
Please post a
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I'm confused. You use the word faggot like it's an insult, and as if you actually know anything about their sexuality. What you wrote is like writing, "The trolling is strong with this member of the Rotary Club." Really out of the blue, and based on... what exactly?
Statists will not go quietly into the night (Score:4, Insightful)
Maybe, licensing taxies was a good idea at some point. There is very little competition among them, because their usage is sporadic — you need it, you raise a hand to hail one and take the first available without any way of figuring out the driver's and his company's reputation.
But Uber and Lyft and others have changed that. You can choose between these companies and you know the driver's reputation — and bad ones don't survive there long. A piece of government bureaucracy found itself irrelevant.
That is a very hard thing to accept and acknowledge even for honest men and women. For the corrupt ones — and, face it, government jobs tend to attract a higher share of such — it is something to fight tooth-and-nail. With laws, regulations, and PR-campaigns... Private victims of the old system may also be used as foot-soldiers [thelocal.fr] against the new. It will not be pretty, but technology is destiny. We'll win, but not easily.
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Prove that the insurance meets passenger livery laws.
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Uhm, in Uber app you see the driver picture and name and license plate and make and model of the car... Bit easy to figure out if it's him/her or not...
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Prove, that the frequency of this occurring is higher among Uber, than among "official" taxis.
With private companies, if one develops a reputation of not properly enforcing its policies, the customers will flock to the others. With the city's government being the sole certifier, there is nothing to do but to avoid the whole city altogether.
Guilty until proven innoc
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Re:Statists will not go quietly into the night (Score:4, Interesting)
My point is that there are potential criminal penalties enforced by the state if the driver of the cab isn't the licensee.
So what?
The British government thinks it's quite OK for convicted rapists to become cab drivers, so why would you care whether the driver is the one they licensed?
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"The American government thinks it's OK for cops to shoot innocent black guys."
^ An equally moronic statement to yours.
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So? Is this supposed to be a good thing?! An advantage of the current model?!
Wow... And, by the way, you are yet to cite any stats showing, it actually works — that Uber drivers "share" their contracts with others more often, than government-licensed cabbies sublease their cabs...
Re:Statists will not go quietly into the night (Score:4, Interesting)
Guilty until proven innocent? Thank you for exposing yourself as a statist... You are the enemy, and you will be defeated.
Forgot to reply to this part earlier.
I'm a realist and I've had to deal with small businesses and contractors my entire working life. The one thread that nearly all of them have in common is they'll cut corners whenever and wherever they can at an upper management level, will cut corners at middle management crew-chief or foreman or section manager level, and the employees themselves will further cut corners whenever and wherever they can as well. In some ways it doesn't matter if upper management decides to turn-around problems, if their middle management layers and workers have other ideas then nothing will change.
As far as Uber goes, if a driver as an independent contractor wants to save money he may well reduce his insurance. After all, he's a safe driver, right? He doesn't get into crashes, right? What's the difference besides a few more bucks in his pocket? That works fine until he's involved in a crash and his insurance won't pay the whole bill for the extensive medical treatment for his badly injured passenger, or even where the other driver has no insurance and his commercial insurance is supposed to cover his own passengers in that scenario, except he doesn't have it...
Re:Statists will not go quietly into the night (Score:5, Informative)
Insurance is mostly for the car damage (both cars) and it is required by the law.
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The taxis are really expensive in Finland, the base fare is ~7 euros and you pay like 2 euros/km and there is extra for the drive time. In Estonia, the taxis cost one third of our prices and they have a decent taxi system.
For all this bureaucracy our taxi cars are mostly new, top shape and drivers get tax deductions on their cars. You would think, that they know the city they drive in, but half of the time they use navigators. You can pay by credit card and I have never been scammed in a Finnish taxi.
I am sure the taxi drivers are pissed, because using cheaper cars and drivers would bring the prices down to a realistic level (like less than 50% of current prices) and taxi drivers pay a premium to the dispatch centers for getting their fares.
Mostly taxis are used on friday and satuday nights, when people get home from the clubs and pubs. Having to wait 30 minutes for a taxi in a queue is common here and that generates a lot of fights, when drunken fools try to skip the queue. If some normal working man would like to generate a little extra income on those nights, that would be just awful - for the business..
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In Estonia the minimum wage and cost of living is also lower. I bet the vodka is cheaper too.
You don't want a person driving the taxi. You want a robot slave.
Re:Statists will not go quietly into the night (Score:4, Funny)
I live in Finland.
It looks more like you're trapped inside a typewriter factory. I suppose it could be located in Finland.
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Whatever you call it, the bottom line is, you are the "guilty until proven innocent" kind of guy.
That's really all you had to say.
No, he made a valid point that you seem unable to refute.
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No, he made a valid point that you seem unable to refute.
If he had a valid point it wouldnt apply to both taxis and ubers... but wait.. he was just hand waving and tried to pretend that it only applied to uber...
yeah...
Re:Statists will not go quietly into the night (Score:5, Informative)
You have a very strange idea about how taxis work.
because their usage is sporadic — you need it, you raise a hand to hail one and take the first available without any way of figuring out the driver's and his company's reputation.
Absolutely, 100% wrong unless you live in Manhattan, NYC. Have you ever been outside Manhattan? I used to live in northern NJ, and I noticed that a lot of Manhattanites had an extremely myopic view of the world, and it seemed like many of them had never left the island at all and couldn't conceive of how life is very different outside their little bubble.
Let me clue you in. Outside of Manhattan (but inside the US), at almost any place except for a busy airport's taxi stand, or a few select high-density downtown areas (perhaps SF or Chicago), you don't get a cab by raising your hand. Instead, you (before Uber came along) had to find a phone, then find a phone book (remember those?), then look up cab companies, call one of them, hope they're open, and have them "radio dispatch" a driver to pick you up. You could be waiting 30-60 minutes to get a ride. After smartphones became common, it got a little easier because now you have a phone in your pocket and can look up cab companies on Google Maps, but the 30-60 minute wait was still there.
Uber/Lyft changed all that, because now you could just start up the U/L app, hit a button, and a driver would pick up the hail and start driving to you immediately, without having to talk to some moron at a dispatch office and try to tell them where you're located; the app knows exactly where you are from your GPS location, and sends that to the driver. Then, you can see just how far away the driver is, so if he's too far away you can cancel that hail and start a new one and let another closer driver pick it up. U/L put power back into the hands of the consumer, rather than the service provider.
The stuff about reputation is good too, but the biggest difference I saw in using the services a handful of times when my car was unavailable was convenience.
U/L really are revolutionary in multiple ways: convenience, reputation, etc.; I do believe they still need regulation, but this seems like an unfortunately case where many different governments in different places are showing themselves to be either incompetent or outright corrupt by attempting to kill U/L instead of working with them to establish good regulations, mainly because the established taxi companies don't like it and want to keep things in the 20th century, where consumers have no way of sharing information about cab companies and drivers and have no way of easily making use of them.
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>> or a few select high-density downtown areas (perhaps SF or Chicago), you don't get a cab by raising your hand.
In SF, you get a cab by raising your hand only at times when you dont need one. At all other hours, it is impossible to hail a cab on street, and calling does not help - the guys simply dont show up. Official taxi company apps are teh suck and never work. Hence, Uber just wins by actually getting you a car when you need one.
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No-one is arguing that it's wrong for Uber to enhance the UI of getting a taxi ride with a smartphone application.
Yes, they are. The traditional cab companies don't want anything to do with this, and want people to stick to calling them on the phone, or with some of them, using their own cab-calling app (which of course only works for their company, and sure as hell doesn't let you rate drivers).
The problem is that Uber operates a taxi service with unlicensed drivers in unlicensed cars.
Then that's someth
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That would require Uber to want to work with governments in the first place. They're opposed to regulations such as police background checks; there's not much middle ground there.
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Citation needed. From what I remember on Uber's own website, they claim to do background checks of drivers. That doesn't sound like opposition to me.
Plus, regular cab companies don't do background checks. There's no guarantee, or even any way to check, that the driver that picks you up in a yellow cab has been checked.
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Sure: http://www.cnet.com/news/ubers-background-checks-dont-catch-criminals-says-houston/ [cnet.com]
Uber performs in-house background checks, but they oppose municipalities that require police background checks (which is the requirement in most areas for taxi services). There is concern that Uber's in-house checks aren't very thorough, and that they aren't looking very ha
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That would require Uber to want to work with governments in the first place. They're opposed to regulations such as police background checks; there's not much middle ground there.
Bullshit. In the UK All Uber cars are licensed as private hire cars and the drivers as private hire drivers. Uber is keen to work within the existing regulations where they are allowed to.
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Yes, that's exactly what I said, asswipe.
Why the fuck should I be constrained to using one company's cabs with their app? Why the fuck would I start up 5 different apps to see which company has a cab closest to me?
You're a fucking moron. Go fuck a donkey, you anonymous piece of shit.
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By using Uber aren't you restricted to just using one app for that particular company? And if you are using Lyft then, well, aren't you then using multiple apps which you seem to be against?
I see your point here, and sorry if I didn't elaborate on this before, but a couple of counterpoints:
1) There's only 3 ride-sharing apps that I know of: Uber, Lyft, and Sidecar. The first two are easily the biggest, I'm pretty sure; I don't think Sidecar even competes directly with them. And there's only those two, nat
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Re:Statists will not go quietly into the night (Score:5, Insightful)
Bullshit.
The 30-60 minute wait is mainly because the taxi is busy or will take that long to arrive so that part of your argument is pretty poor.
100% wrong. If that's the case, why is it that I can get an Uber, in the same place and same time, in less than 5 minutes? Obviously, there's a problem with the cab company, not with too few drivers. Or maybe the regulation has intentionally constrained the supply of drivers and cabs, because the goal of the regulation is to greatly reduce competition and keep prices high.
And if things are working "well" in other countries, then why is there so much demand for Uber? If things were that great, they wouldn't have any customers there, because the riders would stick with the traditional cab companies.
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In some parts of Romania (my only experience is in Cluj) Uber will not get much foothold because the regular cab companies already do everything Uber does and more (free wifi). They either have their own apps or you can call any time day or night and the fares are reasonable. Outside of Romania? I never use cabs anymore, only Uber.
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Good point. There's no reason that taxi companies can't compete with Uber. The problem is that they don't want to have to compete - if they can charge 2-3x as much for crappy service, by manipulating the market to make competition illegal, why would they want to cut prices or improve service? That's why Uber's crushing them.
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I will have to voluntarily return my Geek Card for this post, but I agree with Finland on this. Whether it makes sense to a bunch of folks in Silicon Valley or not, it is Finland's country, and their laws. And it is their choice how decide to regulate taxis, whether it makes any economic sensor or not.
To counter, Finns are the best hunters in the world. They don't shoot cuddly little lions, like Cecil, but when a bear was threatening children in Germany, they turned to professional hunters from Finland
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What is it with all of the horrible analogies on this topic today? You are equating giving someone a ride without a license to murdering your neighbor's dog?
And as far as "Finnish hunters" - I'm not a big fan of hunting (especially trophy hunting like bears) but in the US there are upwards of 40,000 bears killed by hunters every year. Finland issued about 140 bear hunting permits last year, while Minnesota alone issued almost 4000.
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I'm not a big fan of hunting (especially trophy hunting like bears)
Read my post again. This was not about trophy hunting. The German authorities tried to catch the bear . . . but it was too smart. And it was aggressive. And near children. Hiring a Finnish hunting team was the last resort. There was nothing about trophy in this.
I am also personally against trophy hunting, but am for using hunters to control pests. If folks want to hunt something that would be useful for all, they should take their aim at feral pigs. They are really something that causes damage. Bu
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"You are equating giving someone a ride without a license to murdering your neighbor's dog?"
In the US, if we want the neighbor's dog killed, we call the police.
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Regulation was in response to a glut of taxi drivers, not a dearth of them.
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This isn't about competition. It's about removing the protections employees have been afforded and treating folks who are very plainly not contractors as contractors. In most countries the gov't imposed costs on employment to make sure employees (who were largely powerless) weren't abused. It's sorta like how you can never sell yourself into slavery in fairly because if you're making that kind of deal you're already
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Wow, that's not at all how taxi companies work. The way they work is that they have a local monopoly, and they use the law to eliminate competition and to regulate pricing so they don't have any price or quality competition.
It's not at all for the benefit of drivers. Drivers for taxi companies take all of the financial risk - they have to pay hundreds of dollars a day to be allowed to drive the car, hoping that they'll collect enough fares to pay off the dispatcher and then, if they are lucky, make a profit
People using the word "statists" are morons. (Score:3)
And they still are.
You might want to go and actually live in a place where licenses on taxis isn't enforced. I can suggest a few (Phuket, Thailand is a good one). Taxi gangs are so powerful there, they've stopped any attempt at getting public transport in many towns and villages, in many cases by beating up the drivers whenever a Baht Bus service is started. They've divvied up turf and will happily fight with each other over it, every Tuk Tuk drive
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Uhhh ... when the gangs and corruption are out-of-control, does the business model really matter? Isn't the problem that the areas are controlled by violent gangs? It seems you have reversed cause and effect.
Re: Statists will not go quietly into the night (Score:5, Insightful)
The only way a business is "shut down" in a Libertarian country, is by not making enough money — from happy willing customers — to continue to operate. If you want it to be shut down by anyone/anything else, you aren't a Libertarian. Thanks for playing.
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There's a difference between a libertarian and an anarchist
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I wasn't an argument, it was a joke, moron.
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To "continue to operate under the corporate charter that the government granted the company", right? Or are business owners expected to accept personal liability for any and all debts of the company? Exactly how much government involvement is acceptable as a libertarian in your opinion?
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Huh? I'm a libertarian and want Uber and Lyft shut down, or sued out of existence.
Actually, then no, you are not a libertarian.
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Citation needed. Business is chock full of corruption. Especially in markets that lack regulation and control.
Absent 'regulation and control' to keep competitors out of the market, corrupt business usually goes out of business.
'Regulation and control' is one of the greatest sources of business corruption, as a business can buy the regulators and use them to keep competitors out. But, hey, it probably works perfectly in Left-Wing Fantasy Land.
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Some of the most corrupt countries in the world are without any regulation or control, eg. right-wing laissez faire. Fx Somalia with almost non-existent central government. Or a number of US supported South-American countries.
Yeah, you're right. None of those countries have governments, do they?
Go back to Fluffy Lefty Fantasy World. You'll be happier there.
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Couldn't they just book one? (Score:5, Interesting)
I'm a little confused too, aren't Uber drivers using their own cars? Is there something that is supposed to distinguish the car from any other car?
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doh you beat me to it. just order an uber and it will show up at the police station! further, i've found the drivers to be pretty chatty and open. they could just take uber rides different places and talk to drivers that way. they may be surprised at how pleasant the rides are, how convenient the service is, and how inexpensive they are compared to cabs. maybe police should be talking to cabbies to figure out why they can't replicate uber's convenience and customer experience?
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No it's not. And if you don't even know the term (which is "entrapment"), why should anyone pay attention to your legal mastery?
Entrapment only applies if the police induced someone to commit a crime that they would have been unlikely to commit otherwise. The very act of signing up as an Uber driver throws that argument out the window.
And it's even less entrapment than asking a drug dealer to buy drugs. In this case the rider doesn't even choose the driver, Uber does.
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. . . especially if you were talking Finnish to them . . .
Don't think you should be interrogating people... (Score:2)
Don't think you should be interrogating people... before you decide if it's illegal or not (presumably under existing laws).
Predictable (Score:3)
from the /. summary:
from Wikipedia [wikipedia.org]:
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That's so true, before the 20th century when regulations became common there were no serfs. Look at Czarist Russia, the common people were so free, or America in the mid 19th century, slaves rather then surfs along with workers stuck getting paid in script that could only be spent at the company store. We can even go back further to the 14th century when the black death empowered the working class due to the shortage of labour and how serfdom disappeared thanks to the lack of regulations.
The rich left to th
Meh, what's your alternative (Score:2)
The 1% have shown they have no fear of large, central governments. They'll use their wealth and power to make one that suits their needs at your expense. So I ask you, what are you going to do about it? I really am asking. I've never once heard a convincing response, or even something that didn't s
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The 1% have shown they have no fear of large, central governments. They'll use their wealth and power to make one that suits their needs at your expense. So I ask you, what are you going to do about it?
You mean, how do we fix it? There's no point in even trying until more of the population becomes aware that this is what is actually happening, and that they have a better chance to win the lottery than to break into the handjob circle of generationally rich bastards through hard work. And there's no point in explaining that as long as they think they're likely to win the lottery.
Seriously, though, convincing people that the two-party system is effectively a one-party system would be a big step in the right
Why call the police? (Score:4, Funny)
Couldn't the police just use the app?
Obviously they should also call when seeing taxis (Score:2)
Obviously they should also call when seeing taxis, since any reasonable study will need baseline data.
"Put your bullet away, Barn" (Score:2)
The real headline here is that Finland has police.
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Well, yeah, it is kind of shocking to compare crime between the US and Finland: http://www.nationmaster.com/co... [nationmaster.com]
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Well, yeah, it is kind of shocking to compare crime between the US and Finland: http://www.nationmaster.com/co... [nationmaster.com]
The molecules which make up all objects, including criminals, move substantially slower when it's cold as hell.
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The molecules which make up all objects, including criminals, move substantially slower when it's cold as hell.
And that's why we were so late to the game with digital cell phones and Free operating systems.
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I've been to Finland, and I think it's a great place with great people. Good hockey. Also, very hard to spell names.
I was there in May, last year.
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Here they come...
I'm glad they do that because Uber is an illegally operating taxi company.
And yes, I am 100% pro EU.
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