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Vancouver Area Teen Sentenced To 16 Months For Swatting 331

An anonymous reader writes: A 17-year-old from the Vancouver area in Canada has been sentenced to 16 months in youth custody and 8 months under supervision in the community after pleading guilty to 23 charges including criminal harassment, public mischief, extortion and uttering threats. The teenager was responsible for a number of swatting calls across the United States and Canada — mostly of female gamers. The judge told him, "It appears that when real life became too hard you retreated into the online world and became increasingly socially isolated. While you may think you enjoyed greater success in the online world, that success was an illusion. You were left with severely limited social skills and a significant educational deficit."
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Vancouver Area Teen Sentenced To 16 Months For Swatting

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  • by Anonymous Coward on Friday July 10, 2015 @12:55PM (#50083477)

    My sentence would have been life.

    A life of swatting.

    He'd know it's coming. Over and over again. He just would never know when. He'd be asleep at 3 AM, and BAM! Door kicked in, flashbangs detonated everywhere, guns pointed in his face.

    He'd find it hilarious, I'm sure, whilst everyone's favorite tacticool occifers would no doubt appreciate the training exercise.

    • by BenJeremy ( 181303 ) on Friday July 10, 2015 @01:18PM (#50083653)

      I used to think that way. Over the years, I've mellowed. At least 10 in the provincial prison would be enough, but no less.

      Watch the "White Bear" episode from the excellent anthology series "Black Mirror" - it's probably a far more cruel thing to inflict a crime upon an individual, over and over, than deal with it in the most direct, blunt sense.

      The guy deserves harsh punishment, for sure. If the law put just 10% of the effort into catching these idiots that they do toward pursuing "copyright infringers" the world would be a far better place.

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        • by Anonymous Coward on Friday July 10, 2015 @02:12PM (#50084091)
          I don't believe someone needs to die to warrant a bigger sentence. The fact is, this psychopath put many people in harms way and got their doors broken down and live guns pointed at them. The fact that nobody died is a miracle - certainly not attributable to this cretin's restraint but more to the restraint of the officers involved. It could easily have gone another way. Misuse of resources, false police reports, endangering lives - the guy deserves some real prison. After all, you aren't going to "correct" the behavior of a psychopath easily. You have to punish them enough that they don't do it again because of the potential punishment.
          • by Pubstar ( 2525396 ) on Friday July 10, 2015 @03:00PM (#50084565)

            You have to punish them enough that they don't do it again because of the potential punishment.

            You obviously aren't a parent. If the only thing they worry about is the potential punishment, they get better at hiding their actions. You need to correct behaviors and find out the underlying reasons WHY they are doing the things. The only thing punishment for punishment's sake teaches is that they need to be more careful about getting caught.

            • by Jason Levine ( 196982 ) on Friday July 10, 2015 @03:31PM (#50084819) Homepage

              I am a parent and while it is important to get to the bottom of bad behavior to keep it from happening again, you also need to be firm in enforcing punishments for bad behavior. Kids will naturally test the boundaries. If your reaction to bad behavior is only "Now, why are you doing this? Let's have a friendly chat about it", then your kids will walk all over you. Have firm (but fair) consequences for their actions followed up with discussions about what they did, why it was wrong, and how they should act in similar situations in the future.

              • by Pubstar ( 2525396 ) on Friday July 10, 2015 @03:56PM (#50085025)
                I completely agree. The point was that the mentality of "Lets make the punishment so bad, he will never want to do it again" without actually looking at the underlying problems will not fix the problems. On the flip side, only talking about problems and why they are bad will only show the kid that there are no repercussions for their actions. Its a fine art of balancing both of those. While I am not a parent myself, I live with a roommate that has a son. I'm the unofficial uncle, and since he has full time custody (mother is a drug addict, cant see her son), I'm often the one watching him when his dad is at work. I've had to deal with giving out punishments, and when I take the middle ground on these issues, things usually work out for the best for everyone.
              • by HiThere ( 15173 )

                Yes, but ...

                I'm not really convinced the prison reforms anyone. The evidence seems rather the opposite.

                Also, from what I've read changed behavior is more closely related to certainty of being caught than to severity of punishment. Severe punishment just makes victims feel better, and uninvolved people feel self-righteous.

                So make "swatting" require positive identification. Something that actually serves are reasonable identifation of the person placing the call. And be quite skeptical of anyone calling f

          • by BitterOak ( 537666 ) on Friday July 10, 2015 @04:17PM (#50085151)

            I don't believe someone needs to die to warrant a bigger sentence. The fact is, this psychopath put many people in harms way and got their doors broken down and live guns pointed at them. The fact that nobody died is a miracle

            If the Swat team response to an unverified phone call is to put people's lives at such severe risk as you describe, the problem is with the police, not the teenage idiot who placed the fake calls.

            • by Loopy ( 41728 ) on Friday July 10, 2015 @05:28PM (#50085611) Journal

              I don't believe someone needs to die to warrant a bigger sentence. The fact is, this psychopath put many people in harms way and got their doors broken down and live guns pointed at them. The fact that nobody died is a miracle

              If the Swat team response to an unverified phone call is to put people's lives at such severe risk as you describe, the problem is with the police, not the teenage idiot who placed the fake calls.

              Let's say you have a guy you know likes baseball. You wanna SWAT him, because you don't like his hairdo. You call the police and in a very convincing bit of acting, claim (very distraught voice) that he has already beaten his son to death with a baseball bat and is threatening to beat his wife to death, too.

              Or you know a guy that lives in South Carolina and has a Federal Firearms License, works at a shooting range, or just has a large collection of firearms, some on display over the mantle in view of the front windows/door. You call the police and again in a very convincing act, claim he is loading his guns and claiming he's going to head out in a few minutes to shoot up the capitol for taking down the confederate flag.

              In situations where minutes can matter in saving a potential victim's life, and where you cannot control things like that guy's son playing with a toy M-16 in the dark or the first guy teaching his wife swing motions with a bat in the front lobby, would you suppose things might get misinterpreted as an imminent life-threatening situation by the police where they must make a potentially terminal decision based on purposefully misrepresented (but believable) information?

              Here's the problem with that worldview: the police have to be right 100% of the time to fit your definition of "not evil," but you only have to be right once to claim they are evil, in a sort of pre-destined post-hoc-propter-hoc circle that just proves the GP's point. N'est-ce pas?

              • by HiThere ( 15173 )

                If the police weren't, essentially, given a blank check then I'd say you had a point. Unfortunately, in a lot of places a policeman shooting someone in the back AND BEING CAUGHT isn't even cause for a reprimand.

            • by gnasher719 ( 869701 ) on Friday July 10, 2015 @06:51PM (#50086063)

              If the Swat team response to an unverified phone call is to put people's lives at such severe risk as you describe, the problem is with the police, not the teenage idiot who placed the fake calls.

              Absolutely, totally wrong. Without the teenager's call, that Swat team would have stayed where they are, and nothing bad would have happened. With the phone call, here's a list of possible consequences, all of which are the teenagers fault:

              1. Swat team goes out, and figures out that nothing bad is going on, without frightening anyone. Waste of tax payers money.

              2. Exactly like 1, but then the Swat team isn't available when a real call comes in. As a consequence, people might lose their lives because nobody is coming to help them.

              3. Swat team goes out, under the assumption that the caller might be correct. The safest way to do this is to use so much force that nobody can fire a gun, while trying not to injure anyone. Result if everything goes right is a very, very unpleasant experience for the homeowner.

              4. Same as 3, but a bit of bad luck, and the home owner gets injured.

              5. Same as 3, but the homeowner is in a position that makes him look dangerous. For example, cleaning the guns in his collections, or sharpening a huge kitchen knife. With his wife is with him, crying because she just sliced a bunch of onions. Anything can happen.

              6. Home owner detects that there are potential intruders at his doors and gets his gun to fight them off in self defence. Bad things _will_ happen.

              All these scenarios apply even if you have a well-trained team that does its best to keep everyone secure.

            • by dbIII ( 701233 )
              The problem is with their masters who decided to go paramilitary for what should be a police matter instead.
              It's counterproductive because when there is the rare situation where an actual military response is desired you end up with half trained soldiers doing the job instead.
            • +1. The crazy military response is the issue. Even if the issue is real, the SWAT is normally excessive. And it has crossed the pond to some extent here in Australia.

        • by Oligonicella ( 659917 ) on Friday July 10, 2015 @02:13PM (#50084097)

          "Corrective"... A fool's dream. One flash-bang in a baby's crib or worse and this kid would have initiated a killing or severe maiming. Well beyond "brat".

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            • by ttucker ( 2884057 ) on Friday July 10, 2015 @02:44PM (#50084419)

              There's a limit to how far "What might have been" goes in the criminal justice system.

              In Arizona, there is a rather precise limit, and it is a serious crime. Saying that section B is relevant seriously questions the restraint and professionalism of the raiding police officers, but a class 1 misdemeanor has a 6 month maximum sentence.

              13-1201. Endangerment; classification
              A. A person commits endangerment by recklessly endangering another person with a substantial risk of imminent death or physical injury.
              B. Endangerment involving a substantial risk of imminent death is a class 6 felony. In all other cases, it is a class 1 misdemeanor.

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                by account_deleted ( 4530225 ) on Friday July 10, 2015 @03:02PM (#50084585)
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        • Sentences are also deterrents. His buds will know better, the id10ts trolling gamers will know better, less trouble all the way around.

        • by ttucker ( 2884057 ) on Friday July 10, 2015 @02:35PM (#50084325)

          I guess that's the difference between viewing imprisonment as a correction vs. a punishment.

          In my book, the objective is to catch these guys consistently enough, and provide a serious enough sentence, that nobody else thinks it is a good idea.

        • by afidel ( 530433 )

          You've mellowed but you think someone should forfeit 10 years of their life for essentially being an immature teenaged brat? That's roughly the amount of time you can expect to spend in prison for murder in Finland.

          Well, it IS attempted homicide to call in a high pressure situation where even Canadian police officers will be armed and filled with adrenalin. You have to remember that we have situations like Tamir Rice [wikipedia.org] where a 12 year old boy was fatally shot because someone called in a report of someone with

      • by leonardluen ( 211265 ) on Friday July 10, 2015 @04:06PM (#50085077)

        i haven't seen Black mirror but i read the summary on wikipedia...

        if her memory is wiped and she doesn't remember it the next day then what really is the point in doing it again?

        she doesn't remember it, so it happening again to her isn't any additional punishment for her. to her every day is the first time. which means, really she has a one day sentence. and when/if they finally stop wiping her memory she will just wake up to find herself X days/years older and having only had this one really bad and confusing day.

    • by roc97007 ( 608802 ) on Friday July 10, 2015 @01:25PM (#50083705) Journal

      At very least, they could "swat" him at random times of the night while he's in youth custody. Kick in door, flash bangs, guns, wrestled to ground, all the usual. Except perhaps for the accidental shootings from overexcited police. Or maybe some of those too, if non-lethal, so he could understand the possible ramifications of his actions.

    • The drawback is that nobody could afford a lifetime of adopting and training new dogs every week, not to mention teasing flashbang shrapnel out of your baby's skin.

  • Please bear with me, I'm speaking from a US point of view.

    I don't want to completely condemn anyone to not being able to get a job because of a felony over being "a really stupid kid". Everyone has stupid moments, but most people can learn from them.

    I also don't want people who are un-rehabilitable released back into the general population.

    The number of times this kid swatted other people leads me to believe that he falls into the latter of the two groups.

    I do think that there are other side conve

    • Re: (Score:2, Informative)

      by Anonymous Coward

      That's because you don't understand Canadian law. That is actually a fairly harsh term for a young offender in Canada.

      The other option would have been moving him to adult court. That's a pretty big uphill battle for the prosecution, as they would have to prove how society would be better served potentially throwing him in jail until 27.

      He's a stupid kid, and really needs to be treated as such.

      • by ExekielS ( 4130459 ) on Friday July 10, 2015 @01:10PM (#50083587)
        Yea, Americans have NO conception of time whatsoever. Most of my countrymen would happily send somebody to prison for 10+ years for even minor offenses. Punch somebody while you are both drunk? 5 years. They have no idea how long 5 years, how insane a punishment is, how badly their lives will be permanently destroyed, how many friends and family they will lose, just how much time really costs somebody. 16 months during that developmental period is a HUGE chunk of his life. You can recover from a SWATing in a few weeks, months if it hit you particularly hard. But 16 months in jail is basically making sure the rest of his life is seriously restricted and damaged. But for that many swattings? Sure. It fits. I even thought this one was a little light.
        • by sycodon ( 149926 ) on Friday July 10, 2015 @01:14PM (#50083609)

          You can recover from a SWATing in a few weeks...

          Unless you are fucking DEAD.

          • by Anonymous Coward on Friday July 10, 2015 @01:58PM (#50083973)

            Or have PTSD from nearly being made dead. People who claim that an armed paramilitary raid of your home is no big deal obviously haven't had it happen.

            • Re: (Score:3, Informative)

              by ExekielS ( 4130459 )
              Actually I have. My home was raided in June of 2010 because I was involved in a protest of Koch Industries. A boycott to be specific, but they accused me of being a part of a DDOS. I had PTSD for a while, but most of it was linked to my complete ignorance that our police and federal police were pretty much the most corrupt entity ever, and sadistically violent. So I'm well aware that it is a big deal, but I wouldn't send somebody to jail for swatting somebody for more than a month or two.
        • Re: (Score:3, Informative)

          by Anonymous Coward

          You can recover from a SWATing in a few weeks, months if it hit you particularly hard. But 16 months in jail is basically making sure the rest of his life is seriously restricted and damaged.

          Really? Being the victim of SWATing seems like it could cause lifelong psychological damage - let alone the danger that you're sending HEAVILY ARMED people over to someone's house. I think 5 years would be a better sentence for him. Sounds like he's already pretty damaged anyway. "the judge noted a psychiatric and psychological assessment that she said painted a picture of a deeply troubled young person who is a high risk to reoffend. The report suggested the teen has minimized his crimes and blamed the vi

          • Really? Being the victim of SWATing seems like it could cause lifelong psychological damage - let alone the danger that you're sending HEAVILY ARMED people over to someone's house.

            I wouldn't put a specific term on SWATing, I'd just treat it as what it is - attempted murder. Unless it is successful. In that case it is murder.

        • by TiggertheMad ( 556308 ) on Friday July 10, 2015 @01:23PM (#50083689) Journal
          SWATTING isn't a light offence. When you do this there is a very real possibility that someone will end up dead because a cop gets excited, or a homeowner is armed and decides to start shooting. This should be treated as a very serious crime, and if anyone is killed, the person doing the swatting needs to get a murder one charge slapped on them.

          Moreover, this kid didn't do this once, but many times, demonstrating that this isn't a spur of the moment 'crime of passion', but that he possess a consistent and dangerous disregard for life. I am all for lighter sentencing for a lot of things, but this is something that you need to come down heavy on people for. Grafitti is stupid teenage hyjinx. SWATTING is really dangerous behavior.
        • Swatting is nothing less than attempted murder. People have been killed in "wrong address" SWAT raids in the past which is effectively what this is to the people being targeted. Having armed people hyped up on adrenaline (and roided up in many cases - http://www.nj.com/news/index.s... [nj.com]) and expecting trouble force their way into someone's house can go badly in many obvious ways, a lot of which end up with the someone dead.

          Now this particular kid seems to have some large mental problems and years in prison is

        • oh really? http://www.washingtonpost.com/... [washingtonpost.com]
        • Pretty sure his development is already screwed up.
        • You can recover from a SWATing in a few weeks, months if it hit you particularly hard.

          Tell that to the baby who essentially ate a flash grenade.

      • by qwijibo ( 101731 )
        Treating stupid kids as stupid kids is far better than the zero-tolerance approach often used.

        However, once they decide they want to commit adult crimes, they should have adult consequences. A felony conviction for swatting following someone for the rest of their life seems pretty fair.
    • I do think that there are other side conversations about the militarization of SWAT teams that can be had as well, but that's not the focus of this story.

      Correct, but the militarization of SWAT and police in general SHOULD be the focus of the story. These little assholes wouldn't be swatting if it didn't evoke such a massive response from police.

      • by Mr D from 63 ( 3395377 ) on Friday July 10, 2015 @01:18PM (#50083657)

        Correct, but the militarization of SWAT and police in general SHOULD be the focus of the story. These little assholes wouldn't be swatting if it didn't evoke such a massive response from police.

        Did you read the list of offenses this kid did? If you think he did all than just because SWAT teams react, and he is not the one that is primarily accountable.,., .well, I'll just have to assume you are the kid's mother.

      • by Copid ( 137416 ) on Friday July 10, 2015 @01:23PM (#50083693)
        I'm all for a massive reduction in police militarization and very nearly eliminating SWAT teams given how rarely they're used for what they were originally intended for. That being said, the problem with using this issue as a lever is that there will always be some fringe situation that calls for a swift armed reaction of some sort. These kids can literally say whatever they want, so there's always going to be a way to provoke a dangerous response as long as there's any conceivable situation that warrants that response. This is just one of those cases where there should be a panic button. It should be really difficult to hit and you should punish the living shit out of people who treat the panic button like it's a toy.
      • Re: (Score:2, Insightful)

        by Anonymous Coward

        I think both issue need to be addressed.

        The severity of punishment for calling in fake hostage situations should be sever to act as a deterrent, but considerably more important is effective enforcement. People have to think that if they do this they will get caught. Otherwise even a death sentance won't actually be an effective deterrent.

        Simultaneously, the police need to reign in SWAT protocols. It is completely unacceptable to be kicking in doors of innocent people, so much so that in the US it's even in

      • by Gryle ( 933382 )
        If you're going to "militarize" any part of the police force, the SWAT is the place to do it. Those teams exist specifically to deal with threats outside the normal tactical capabilities of law enforcement, which may include confrontations with well-armed gangs or home-grown crazies. In those instances, it make sense for the SWAT members (who are supposed to be trained to a level beyond your normal patrolman) to have a wider variety of options and hardware at there disposal.

        Now, the militarization of the r
      • Correct, but the militarization of SWAT

        It was center stage for a bill Obama tried to pass recently (not sure if it passed as I didn't follow it)

        and police in general SHOULD be the focus of the story

        Both the offender and the authorities need to be the focus of the story. It's a two fold issue.

        You can keep blaming the ashes for making a mess but the fire is what made the ashes in the first place. It's like blaming gun manufacturers for mass shootings. I'm not suggesting the authorities are innocent but the source is still the source of the fire. The authorities could take a very hard stance on this a

    • Re: (Score:2, Insightful)

      by Anonymous Coward

      I'm Canadian, but cannot claim to speak for the country, only my own Canadian-derived viewpoints.

      I, too, do not want to see someone capable of being rehabilitated denied the opportunity for a better life (ie: job, hobbies, freedom, personal fulfillment).

      I, too, do not want people who are un-rehabilitable released back into the general population.

      I, however, feel that I must give the court-appointed psychologists the same level of initial trust that I would extend to the courts in judging this fairly. Since

      • for you anon and all the canadians out there, know this: your justice system rocks! your judges write clear and often pithy case rulings. not so in the US, where tehy can be booooring. I'm not saying anything on the outcomes, just how you get there.

    • His problem isn't that he's a stupid kid, his problem is that he's a narcissist. That's a personality disorder, jail time isn't going to fix it. He needs to admit that he has a major personality problem (which, as it turns out, isn't all that common for a narcissist to do) and then seek help through therapy (also not all that common). If he doesn't take the steps necessary to back away from that cliff then no amount of jail will "rehabilitate" what is wrong with him.

    • Were this a 30 or 40 YO, I'd say toss him into some place with high thick walls. For a very long time. But this is a kid, and kids are pliable enough to learn. Even kids as stupid as this one. Heck, kids who have got sucked into third world warlord conflicts, and who have committed horrendous crimes - in person - have been known to be capable of rehabilitation. This one may be too. I don't buy the throw away the key philosophy when it is a kid. Regardless, this is not a victimless crime. He should b
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    • I've rented apartments to several felons, mostly those convicted of violating protective orders. As in their separated wife made a booty call unexpectedly and then reported the incident. Jail. Also the three-timer DUIs. Those I actually love, they all have given me their pastor's name and the meetings they go to.

      They are all incredibly appreciative of a clean place to live, no BS.

      This kid might, maybe, petition for court for expungement in several years, but I doubt he can convince a judge he's just stup

  • by Anonymous Coward on Friday July 10, 2015 @01:01PM (#50083521)
    "Hello, 911?"
    Here we go again!
  • Reasonable (Score:5, Interesting)

    by snsh ( 968808 ) on Friday July 10, 2015 @01:03PM (#50083535)

    Sounds like a very reasonable and level-headed judge, making him completely ineligible for appointment to a higher court.

    • by Holi ( 250190 )
      It's Canada, so he may have a better chance up there. But I agree, south of the border he would be marginalized and probably end up in night court.
    • Sounds like a very reasonable and level-headed judge, making him completely ineligible for appointment to a higher court.

      True, but Judge Patricia Janzen is a woman. Unless you were meaning the teen?

    • Re: (Score:2, Funny)

      by Anonymous Coward

      level-headed judge, making him completely ineligible for appointment to a higher court.

      Article says

      [J]udge Patricia Janzen [...] noted a psychiatric and psychological assessment that she said

      Also this is Canada, our Supreme Court has been handing out reasonable decisions recently so the poor government is wondering what went wrong.

  • by ZorinLynx ( 31751 ) on Friday July 10, 2015 @01:08PM (#50083567) Homepage

    That's the textbook definition; he delights in the suffering of others.

    He needs extensive mental evaluation and should probably be watched carefully once his sentence is up. These people are dangerous by their very nature.

    • Re: (Score:2, Insightful)

      by Anonymous Coward

      That's the textbook definition; he delights in the suffering of others.

      He needs extensive mental evaluation and should probably be watched carefully once his sentence is up. These people are dangerous by their very nature.

      I have some bad news. They run the place.

    • Otherwise known as a narcissist.

  • by Sowelu ( 713889 ) on Friday July 10, 2015 @01:18PM (#50083649)

    Because swatting sounds a lot like attempted murder to me.

  • by roc97007 ( 608802 ) on Friday July 10, 2015 @01:20PM (#50083665) Journal

    ...You know all those accomplishments in the online world? They're NOT REAL. That's why it's On Line.

    I don't know all of the details, but 16 months seems like a slap on the wrist for a "prank" that can get people killed. Like, you know, in real life. For ever. No do-overs, no saved games.

    • Jail time just makes criminals worse. This is fairly well established.

      What I want out of a jail sentence (as a Canadian) is rehabilitation and some path to them becoming a person in my society that shows up as a net benefit when all the accounting is done.

      There are bound to be some people that are irretrievable, but I'd like to take the chance on fixing them.

      I think swatting is insanely dangerous, and I'm not unaware that this was a crime mainly perpetrated against women. I'm a fairly ardent feminist and I

  • by DrXym ( 126579 ) on Friday July 10, 2015 @01:25PM (#50083713)
    16 months in prison will help him improve his social skills no end.
  • by eepok ( 545733 ) on Friday July 10, 2015 @01:32PM (#50083765) Homepage
    My only annoyance with the whole internet abuse counter-attack (Gamergate, etc.) is that those who were targeted by the abuse went and painted the entirety of the population of male gamers as sociopathic misogynists and giggled while the innocent were lumped in with that horrible stereotype.

    Just like pre-internet days, the nerds get abused for being nerds.

    This case is exactly what needs to be the standard response. (1) Someone reports abuse. (2) Investigation. (3) Abuser found. (4) Abuser tried and convicted. The end. No making a career based on accusing all male gamers or the entire video game industry or the entirety of "science" for the abuse of a few people perpetrated. Just report, investigate, find, convict, close the book.

    We don't need social martyrs, we need good police work and good courts.
  • by Stan92057 ( 737634 ) on Friday July 10, 2015 @01:36PM (#50083797)
    I'm 58 and grew up just outside of Phila and can remember the TV commercial, Do you know where your children are? Well I think those commercials should run again but just a little different. Do you know what your children are doing online behind that Closed bedroom doors? Just an Idea. My daughters has her PC in the main living room. No TVs or PC in bedrooms allowed.
  • by NotDrWho ( 3543773 ) on Friday July 10, 2015 @01:39PM (#50083821)

    Sentence him to live 16 months in Quebec.

  • Bad system design (Score:5, Insightful)

    by Mike Van Pelt ( 32582 ) on Friday July 10, 2015 @02:02PM (#50084015)
    It should not be possible to make 911 calls and spoof the source as somewhere else. I'm sure "swatting" never occurred as a potential threat to anyone when the 911 system was being built, but it's pretty dang obvious now, and the vulnerability needs to be closed before some idiot's use of it gets someone killed. (Or someone else killed... have there been any deaths caused by swatting? I wouldn't be surprised, but I don't recall one.)
  • More than swatting (Score:4, Informative)

    by Anonymous Coward on Friday July 10, 2015 @02:15PM (#50084105)
    It wasn't just swatting, FTFA:

    He flooded their social media accounts with spam, called and texted them at all hours, cancelled their utilities, posted their personal and financial information online and swatted them...Most of his crimes took place while he was on bail and under conditions not to use a computer or access the Internet.

  • by jmactacular ( 1755734 ) on Friday July 10, 2015 @02:18PM (#50084129)

    Yes, this kid was wrong. But we should examine the root cause of how a kid can pick up a phone that essentially deploys a military unit. How is that response valid? Shouldn't they vet the situation more before deploying a military force?

    Examine the content and credibility of the phone call first. Maybe just knock on the door for a first check with conventional police officers. Only if they confirm a valid threat, with an active hostage situation, then you deploy a negotiator, and then if that fails, you consider deploying a force unit response.

    The ridiculous disproportionate response, from phone call right to military force, is what should be punished and the leaders who making these decisions are enabling and creating this problem.

    • by swb ( 14022 )

      One question that pops to mind is "How often do intentional swatting calls NOT end up deploying a tactical strike team?"

      I have a hard time believing that every attempt at swatting ends up gaining the desired tactical response and instead results in a generic squad wiping the donut crumbs from their uniform and knocking on the door with a "is everyone OK?" response.

      Of course the unintended consequence the cops fear from not responding with a full-on tactical response is the newpaper headline that reads somet

  • Meanwhile, in Finland, a thug gleefully admits to more than 50,000 counts of criminal hacking, etc and get...2 years probation.

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