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EU Commission Divided Over Nation-Specific Content Blocking 57

jfruh writes In theory, the European Union is supposed to act as a single national market. But one area in which practice doesn't live up to theory is geoblocking: Europeans may find that a website they can reach or content they have a legal right to stream in one EU country is blocked in another. Now two members of the EU Commission (the equivalent of a nation's cabinet) are feuding as to whether geoblocks should be eliminated: Commission Vice-President for the Digital Single Market Andrus Ansip said that "deep in my heart ... I hate geoblocking," while Commissioner for Digital Economy and Society Günther Oettinger, worrying about protecting the European film industry, said "We must not throw the baby out with the bathwater."
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EU Commission Divided Over Nation-Specific Content Blocking

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  • >> Commission Vice-President for the Digital Single Market Andrus Ansip said that "deep in my heart ... I hate geoblocking,"

    What is this crap? "Search your feelings?" How about checking to see what the law says?

    >> Günther Oettinger, worrying about protecting the European film industry

    Protecting the what? Bah ha ha ha, er, yes, I'm certain there is a "European file industry." (Cough.)

    >> "We must not throw the baby out with the bathwater."

    Sorry, but you already did when you created

    • by Luckyo ( 1726890 ) on Tuesday March 31, 2015 @10:28AM (#49379255)

      It's not as simple as you think.

      The argument against a factual one rooted in reality - European movie making is a fairly small business, but important for each local culture. And they do indeed need protection to survive, because they are not commercially as strong as the big players who tend to dominate. And big players are well known for making deals that would destroy local movie makers by squeezing their money flows.

      This isn't so much of a "feud" as beginning in the standard process of European decision making. That is seeking consensus between "common digital market" and "how do we keep our cultural producers alive in a world where their output is increasingly important to national identity".

      • by dave420 ( 699308 )
        Fairly small? The Batman films, the Indiana Jones films, the Star Wars films, every Harry Potter film, the James Bond films, the Bourne films and so on and so on. So many films made in European studios it's not even funny.
        • by Luckyo ( 1726890 )

          It's exceptionally obvious that national cinema we're talking about is not "major studio movies shot in European locations".

    • Protecting the what? Bah ha ha ha, er, yes, I'm certain there is a "European film industry." (Cough.)

      James Bond, Star Wars, Indiana Jones etc etc ;) All mostly filmed in the UK.

      • by sabri ( 584428 )

        James Bond, Star Wars, Indiana Jones etc etc ;) All mostly filmed in the UK.

        Ah yes, the UK. Where they kill the one goose that lays golden eggs. I believe his name was Clarkson.

        Bring
        Back
        Clarkson.

        • by dave420 ( 699308 )
          Clarkson did that to himself by pushing his "Daily Mail Reader" on-screen persona to the limit time and time again, then letting it get to his head and punching someone because they didn't get him steak and chips. Or should companies employ people who physically abuse others, make racial slurs and bring the company into disrepute because he can make them money? Are morals and ethics bad things to you?
    • Protecting the what?

      Ignoramus, most Hollywood films are not made in Hollywood studios, they're not even made in the US.

  • by bulled ( 956533 ) on Tuesday March 31, 2015 @10:22AM (#49379223)
    One would think that a bigger potential market would be _better_ for the European film industry. Clearly I don't understand capitalism.
    • Clearly I don't understand capitalism.

      Clearly. Geoblocking is at least partially about market segmentation. The EU is so large that it has extremely major disparities in wealth between its member nations. Consider the difference between Sweden and Romania. If you have a movie and charge a single price to stream it across the entire EU then:

      a) Some people will find it incredibly cheap and others will find it still too expensive, just pushing them back towards piracy.

      b) You end up having to deal with the tax

      • by grahammm ( 9083 )

        It is not just the disparity in wealth. Removal of geo-blocking is also about ensuring that content is available for download/streaming/viewing throughout the EU, and not just restricted to certain countries.

      • by bulled ( 956533 )

        Clearly I don't understand capitalism.

        Clearly. Geoblocking is at least partially about market segmentation. The EU is so large that it has extremely major disparities in wealth between its member nations. Consider the difference between Sweden and Romania. If you have a movie and charge a single price to stream it across the entire EU then:

        a) Some people will find it incredibly cheap and others will find it still too expensive, just pushing them back towards piracy.

        I suppose this is slashdot and I should expect any reponse to my inital post to be condesending, well done. You wanted an argument, this is abuse [youtube.com]

        Keeping things geo-locked pushes people to piracy. Drop the locks and at least the portion of the population that want to pay either for content or convience can do so. Geolocking doesn't stop those that will pirate, it stops those that will not from paying.

        b) You end up having to deal with the tax systems of every single EU country anyway due to the retarded VAT changes they introduced this year, so it doesn't help simplify your business at all, and you theoretically aren't allowed to opt out of serving particular regions due to their horrible paperwork requirements, so being able to geoblock unprofitably complicated regions whilst claiming you have some other reason is quite attractive.

        If we are assuming the basics of captialism hold here and there is a sufficiently sized market, the reg

      • by spyfrog ( 552673 )

        I think the Romainan interest in Swedish movie is totally nonexistent. Your market is your cultural neighbors.

        Swedish movie is interesting for Sweden, Finland, Norway, Iceland and Denmark. If it is unusually good (rare) then add Germany. I don't see any problems having one price for Swedish movies in these countries. Actually - us Swedes are the poorest of them. So we should do the complaining then.

    • I think the concern is that it would benefit the big guys at the expense of the little guys. Will the huge entertainment businesses of the UK overwhelm the many, much smaller, businesses in other countries? Maybe.

      I say eliminate the barriers and see what happens. You can always put them back up again if your citizens want them back up.

  • In europe we speak different languages, most people only one, the next group English and their own one. Fewer people would speak three. If you only speak one you don't care. If you speak English you are annoyed that the BBC is blocked. But pretty mush no one is bothered by geoblocking beside intra-european expats. However companies still block their contents to only those in the coutry. The reality is if you disable geoblocking in the EU its the US content we want to get, the rest is rethorics. An all out b
  • by dominux ( 731134 ) on Tuesday March 31, 2015 @10:31AM (#49379279) Homepage

    At the start of this year VAT changed so that for digital online sales the place of supply is where the consumer belongs. This means if you sell an app/ebook/knitting pattern/recipe/tune then you have to collect two bits of non-conflicting evidence of the place of belonging of the consumer, then figure out which of the 70 or so rates of VAT across 27 countries applies for the specific product (several have special ebook rates) then you add VAT to the price and remit it to HMRC through the mini one stop shop (VATMOSS). There is no threshold for this and you can get penalties each quarter from 27 different countries if you get it wrong. Or, you can geoblock and say "screw you, I can't cope with this shit." to potential customers outside the UK.
    Geoblocking is about the only sane response to VATMOSS.

  • by Anonymous Coward

    "EU Commission (the equivalent of a nation's cabinet)"

    The cabinet in the nation where i live is a coalition of elected representatives, and is part of the Parliament.
    The EU Parliament does consist of elected representatives, the EU Commission does not. It is separate from the Parliament and it consists of people elected by a commission of people who have been appointed by heads of state. That is at best a form of democracy like they had in ancient Rome, where democracy was only for the elites.

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    by account_deleted ( 4530225 ) on Tuesday March 31, 2015 @10:36AM (#49379321)
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  • deep in my heart ... I hate geoblocking

    Translation: I've not received enough bribes on that subject yet.

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