Anonymous Asks Activists To Fight Pedophiles In 'Operation Deatheaters' 413
HughPickens.com writes The Independent reports that hacktivist group Anonymous, in a project named Operation DeathEaters, is calling for help in its fight against international pedophile networks, or what it calls the "paedosadist industry" and has issued a video instructing activists on how they can aid in the operation. The Anonymous project is intended to break what it says is a conspiracy of silence among sympathetic politicians, police and mainstream media to downplay the full extent of the online child sex industry. "The premise behind OpDeathEaters is to expose high level complicity, obstruction of justice and cover-up in the paedo-sadist industry in order to show the need for independent inquiries," says Heather Marsh, an online activist who is helping to co-ordinate the operation and describes herself as an "old friend" of Anonymous. The Anonymous database, which will be hosted on the GitHub online repository, promises to collate cases from all around the world, cross-referencing connections within sub-groups including the police, armed forces, schoolteachers, politicians, media, academics and religious organisations. The database's ultimate purpose has yet to be fully determined, but in the first instance the group says it wants to shut down the child-sex industry by "dismantling the power structure which held it there" and by "educating to create a cultural change".
The group is calling on volunteers to help with the ongoing work, which has been divided into three steps. The first is about collecting "all the factual information," second is to "share that information as widely as possible," and the third step is "to set up an independent, internationally linked, inquiry into all the areas which do not appear to have been investigated properly." Activists point to the muted media coverage given to a recent case in Washington DC in which Michael Centanni, a senior Republican fundraiser, was charged with child sex offences after investigators traced transmissions of child pornography to his computers in his basement. The case was not covered by The Washington Post or the New York Times, and was only picked up by a local NBC affiliate state and The Washington Examiner, a small conservative paper in the city. According to the court filings, Centanni was found in possession of 3,000 images, many apparently filmed in his own bedroom, including one showing a man raping a five-year-old girl who cries "no" and "mommy" while the man says "good baby" and "stop crying," according to one filing.
The group is calling on volunteers to help with the ongoing work, which has been divided into three steps. The first is about collecting "all the factual information," second is to "share that information as widely as possible," and the third step is "to set up an independent, internationally linked, inquiry into all the areas which do not appear to have been investigated properly." Activists point to the muted media coverage given to a recent case in Washington DC in which Michael Centanni, a senior Republican fundraiser, was charged with child sex offences after investigators traced transmissions of child pornography to his computers in his basement. The case was not covered by The Washington Post or the New York Times, and was only picked up by a local NBC affiliate state and The Washington Examiner, a small conservative paper in the city. According to the court filings, Centanni was found in possession of 3,000 images, many apparently filmed in his own bedroom, including one showing a man raping a five-year-old girl who cries "no" and "mommy" while the man says "good baby" and "stop crying," according to one filing.
Think of the children! (Score:4, Interesting)
There are many things Anonymous does which are morally dubious. But, I have to say, I can't really take issue with this vigilantism.
After all "think of the children!". But uh.. actually, don't. It's kinda disturbing. Or do.. since, it's disturbing, and one shouldn't bury one's head in the sand because.. it's hard to think about.
Re:Think of the children! (Score:5, Insightful)
Except their plan is basically grab everyones private information and make it public and hope that they only find the pedos.
Re:Think of the children! (Score:5, Insightful)
Going to cause a lot of collateral damage to start doxxing people who may or may not be pedobears. It may also be used for vindictive purposes.
Re:Think of the children! (Score:5, Insightful)
http://www.theguardian.com/uk/... [theguardian.com]
Self-styled vigilantes attacked the home of a hospital paediatrician after apparently confusing her professional title with the word "paedophile", it emerged yesterday.
Dr Yvette Cloete, a specialist registrar in paediatric medicine at the Royal Gwent hospital in Newport, was forced to flee her house after vandals daubed it with graffiti in the middle of the night.
The word "paedo" was written across the front porch and door of the house she shared with her brother in the village of St Brides, south Wales.
Gwent police confirmed that the attack last Friday night was prompted by a confusion over the words "paedophile" and "paediatrician".
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Lets face it; Anonymous is composed of a few capable, possibly even moral, individuals and lots of wannabees who just want to hurt people because it's fun to feel powerful. This is going to end badly.
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http://www.theguardian.com/uk/... [theguardian.com]
Self-styled vigilantes attacked the home of a hospital paediatrician after apparently confusing her professional title with the word "paedophile", it emerged yesterday.
Dr Yvette Cloete, a specialist registrar in paediatric medicine at the Royal Gwent hospital in Newport, was forced to flee her house after vandals daubed it with graffiti in the middle of the night.
The word "paedo" was written across the front porch and door of the house she shared with her brother in the village of St Brides, south Wales.
Gwent police confirmed that the attack last Friday night was prompted by a confusion over the words "paedophile" and "paediatrician".
Most people that participate in stuff like this vandalism are usually "many bricks shy of a full load"; they are "dim-witted followers".
Re:Think of the children! (Score:5, Insightful)
It happened once. 15 years ago. Stop recycling it.
True. But if you read the link, it also happened during public hysteria worked up over a campaign to "name and shame" sex offenders in the past. TFA here is proposing to do this on a much grander scale. Therefore it's a pretty relevant example of the kinds of things that public hysteria over this issue can do if it's not handled well.
Re:Think of the children! (Score:5, Insightful)
Going to cause a lot of collateral damage to start doxxing people who may or may not be pedobears
Call me when anonymous starts busting down doors without warning at 3 AM and kills occupants. Call me when they snag people rolling through town who just took out cash to buy a car, and confiscate the money. Call me when they drag people through the court for years, ruining their good name with no real conviction. Call me when they just shoot you on the street even though you're un-armed.
Those are all things the "real cops" have been doing. When the authorities aren't doing their job, alternatives start to look better.
Re:Think of the children! (Score:4, Insightful)
How do you know their "evidence" isn't fabricated?
How do you know you aren't the target when your wife wants to divorce you, get all your stuff, and take revenge on you?
Re:Think of the children! (Score:5, Insightful)
RTFA, they are collecting official case information, not internet rumors. Don't worry about your nonexistent wife or girlfriend.
Oh, that's reassuring. They're collecting official unverified accusations, from reliable sources like anonymous reporting lines.
Re:Think of the children! (Score:4, Insightful)
You only have to look at GamerGate to see the standard of proof required by anonymous. This will very quickly descend into doxxing, threats and blog posts presented as "evidence" of crimes against children, punishable by mob justice. Anyone who opposes it will be labelled and SJW. A false narrative will be constructed around anyone they decide to target, and their lives will be ruined.
Re:Think of the children! (Score:5, Insightful)
Current climate is: Guilty until we can no longer libel you as guilty, but 'it probably could have happened anyway'. Just check out the turn-around the media and people did after that fraternity thing.
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These assholes at Anonymous are so stupid that they identify people with the same name as the criminals. In other words, they're just as stupid as Homeland Security.
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/sp... [cbsnews.com]
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Re:Think of the children! (Score:5, Insightful)
Here's the problem though. While pedo's make for an abhorrent target, and due process just seems 'too good for them' -- where does the mob mentality end? We have a criminal justice system in civilized societies for a reason (inb4 anti-american snark).
If the angry mob decided tomorrow that some belief or group membership was wrong, should they be allowed to take matters into their own hands? Pretend for a moment that these were jaywalkers or people with overdue library books.
Lady Justice is not Heimdall or Janus, for a very good reason.
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this is just one instance, one symptom of a wider issue. for you to have a point there should be a justice system generally recognized as such. there isn't, and when justice systematically fails to protect the weak people will start taking issues on with their own hands. sure, bad things will happen, but it's inevitable and the first error is having it let come to this.
Re:Think of the children! (Score:4, Insightful)
when justice systematically fails to protect the weak
Does it, though?
Or do people just want to think it does so they can satisfy their innate bloodlust and apply some good old medieval uncivilized mob justice?
Re:Think of the children! (Score:5, Insightful)
I'm sure that they have the best of intentions. The problem is with the underlying assumption that there is some kind of conspiracy.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wenatchee_child_abuse_prosecutions [wikipedia.org]
Once you accept that there is a conspiracy, there is no end to it.
If they were just interested in cataloguing the various cases then that could be done by scripts and Google news. If something is not getting media exposure then it is more likely to be because of lazy "journalists" than because someone is trying to bury the story.
Re:Think of the children! (Score:5, Insightful)
Given that its most likely that "Anonymous" at this point is mostly government agents now, its going to be real intresting to see who they finger as pedophiles, and if any of these people are actually guilty.
Re:Think of the children! (Score:4, Insightful)
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What?
Re:Think of the children! (Score:5, Informative)
Reddit was crowd sourcing surveillance and amateur photos taken from the bombing scene. They latched onto one person and started a witch hunt. Turns out the guy had nothing to do with it but now he had a million internet neckbeards and other crazies calling for his head.
Who are you? I'm bat- er, ANON! (Score:5, Insightful)
Pedophiles are like Nazis: They are widely assumed to be completely and thoroughly evil and thus worthless human beings. If you are going to pick a group to engage in vigilante activity against this is just about the perfect one, because who is going to going to stand up and say 'that's not right'. Unlike other extremely unpopular groups like Human traffickers or actual no-Nazis, pedophiles are not generally gun toting violent lunatics, so the risk of being murdered in retaliation is pretty low.
If you want to break the law to try to uphold the law, this is a logical choice, I guess.
Re:Who are you? I'm bat- er, ANON! (Score:5, Insightful)
Pedophiles are like Nazis
You have that backwards. Pedophiles are the group that society wants to watch burn. The group that nobody will cry for as they are marched to the stake, or the concentration camp, or the guillotine. The group that politicians use as moral grounds for passing laws based on hate and vigilantism instead of justice. It's a slippery slope my friends.
Re:Who are you? I'm bat- er, ANON! (Score:4, Insightful)
Re:Who are you? I'm bat- er, ANON! (Score:5, Interesting)
Re:Who are you? I'm bat- er, ANON! (Score:4, Insightful)
Before we go out on the street and call for a witch hunt, the common definition of "pedophilia" needs to be reformed, so that it again means actual child abuse,
You don't even know what pedophilia means. It doesn't mean child abuse, because "philia" doesn't mean abuse.
Trading sexually explicit pictures of minors by definition depends on minors being harmed. Trading non-sexually-explicit pictures of minors for sexual gratification is creepy as fuck, but it's not harming minors. Pedophilia isn't harming minors, child abuse is. Not all pedophiles abuse children, or even trade in media which actually involves children being subjected to child abuse.
Pedophilia has been equated with child abuse only for bad reasons, and here you are helping it along. Cut that ignorant shit out.
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Boston Marathon Bomber case comes to mind...
Yes, that comes to mind to me also, proof that the NSA has been wasting our tax payers money for a decade...
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Actually, you can't blame this one on the NSA. Their mission is to observe and alert. In the case of the Boston Marathon Bomber, the Russian FSB (the follow on for the KGB) told the US authorities that these brothers were Islamic terrorists. And the FBI did nothing about it.
Who's in charge of the FBI? Oh, Eric Holder. Well, that figures.
What's on second.
Ida know . . . third base.
This call for vigilantism looks seriously dubious to me . . .
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Re: Think of the children! (Score:2)
Re:Think of the children! (Score:5, Interesting)
There probably is. Not the purposefully coordinated kind where everyone meets in a dark room somewhere to plot their actions, but the kind where everyone sharing fundamentally rotten values leads to effectively coordinated flock behaviour. For examples of this, look at Catholic Church's recent scandals; but it's hardly the only organization that sets the mask of respectability above the wellbeing of mere children.
People are trained to pretend they are helpless against systemic injustices from the day they're born. It's what allows those injustices to continue existing. If a child molester takes advantage of this trained response to look the other way, for example if the local cops ignore what "respected" members of their community do with their children, it's a matter of semantics whether that should be counted as a conspiracy or not.
In any case, there's going to be a lot of pain to go around as this culture of silence runs headfirst into the Information Age, becomes effectively defunct, and forces people to see what's been all around them all this time, whether they want to or not. The world will be better for it, though.
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The problem is with the underlying assumption that there is some kind of conspiracy.
There probably is. Not the purposefully coordinated kind where everyone meets in a dark room...
Indifference versus conspiracy.
Depending how you count, something like 20,000 children (under 5) die of poverty every day. And there are far more people trained up to do science (science PhDs) than available jobs. They could be finding cures for cancer but instead their talent and education are wasted.
...forces people to see what's been all around them all this time, whether they want to or not.
The people who control the world's economy are certainly aware of poverty and disease. But they would prefer to have the world's economy produce frivolous luxury items.
Re:Think of the children! (Score:5, Insightful)
There probably is.
The real conspiracy, if one exists at all, is when freedom-hating scumbags conspire together to rile up with public with claims that we need to stop the pedophiles ("child molester" is a better term) and get rid of all child porn, just so they can push through laws which violate our constitution, our freedoms, and our privacy.
Re: Think of the children! (Score:3, Interesting)
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Not the purposefully coordinated kind where everyone meets in a dark room somewhere to plot their actions, but the kind where everyone sharing fundamentally rotten values leads to effectively coordinated flock behaviour.
Which is not a conspiracy. The first rule of searching for the truth is to call things by their proper names. A conspiracy, by both legal and colloquial definition, requires agreement between the parties. Agreement requires communication (not necessarily verbal, but explicit).
If everyone on the highway drives too fast, you can argue about "everyone sharing [fundamental values] leads to effectively coordinated flock behaviour", but that still only makes it a lot of speeding tickets and not a conspiracy.
It's
Re:Think of the children! (Score:4, Interesting)
Except that you've given every one of these people a free pass if you hack their computers because the court can no longer prove the data was there to begin with and not just planted.
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There are many things Anonymous does which are morally dubious.
For example they have already forgotten about their pledge to take down ISIS interweb sites...
Sometimes I think they are just a bunch of publicity whores, but I haven't yet figured out what it is they get out of making announcments, doing it 1/4 assed, and quickily forgetting what they were doning and moving on to the next great headline grabber...
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Anonymous isn't some kind of coordinated collective. Anyone can take on the name...
Apperently, almost 100% of those now using the name are glorified skript kiddies.
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Sometimes I think they are just a bunch of publicity whores, but I haven't yet figured out what it is they get out of making announcments, doing it 1/4 assed, and quickily forgetting what they were doning and moving on to the next great headline grabber...
That's pretty much how teenagers operate in general.
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That's pretty much how teenagers operate in general.
And don't forget those "cool" masks...
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Vigilante 'justice' just ends up with lots of collateral damage. Plus, I would think that they would want to go after *child molesters*, not merely someone who is sexually attracted to prepubescent children. Pedophiles aren't necessarily child molesters, and vice versa.
We don't need more "Think of the children!" witch hunts; our society has too many of those already.
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Charged /= Guilty (Score:5, Insightful)
I know nothing about the particular case that they are referring to. But the fact that it wasn't widely reported is actually a good thing. Being charged is not the same as being convicted. There are too many cases of people being tried in the media and having their lives destroyed when they actually haven't done anything wrong.
Given people are so fucking stupid they will attack paediatricians thinking they are paedophiles just sums up the wider mobs inability to effectively deal with the information.
Re: Charged /= Guilty (Score:5, Informative)
He pled guilty a couple of weeks ago.
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"Centanni will be sentenced on April 9. The charge carries a statutory maximum of 20 years in prison and potential financial penalties. Centanni will also be required to register as a sex offender for a minimum of 15 years."
http://www.nbcwashington.com/news/local/GOP-Fundraiser-Michael-Centanni-Pleads-Guilty-to-Child-Pornography-287555231.html
Re: Charged /= Guilty (Score:5, Insightful)
So in other words, justice is being served, and a sentence is being delivered that the judge (within the guidelines set by legislators) feels is appropriate to the crime committed.
There's nothing left for Anonymous to do, except to remind the world that this guy did something bad, and by so doing, perpetuate the shame and embarrassment his friends and family are subjected to. It won't affect the perpetrator himself, because he'll be in prison for the entire life of this "operation".
Harassing innocent bystanders is what Anonymous does best.
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Re: Charged /= Guilty (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:Charged /= Guilty (Score:5, Insightful)
Being charged is not the same as being convicted. There are too many cases of people being tried in the media and having their lives destroyed when they actually haven't done anything wrong.
Yes, and isn't it interesting how the media has looked the other way in the case of Michael Centanni, but is happy to rake someone over the coals any other time? Sounds like the media is completely aware of how damaging the court of public opinion is, and are showing some favoritism towards those in power -- the very people we should be most vigilant about.
Re:Charged /= Guilty (Score:4, Funny)
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Jokes aside, that's about it. The case in question is a bog-standard investigation and prosecution. The only notable twist is the guy's political connections. There's really no reason for widespread coverage.
This stunt may as we'll be Operation Our Favorite Crime, spreading awareness of Anonymous' obsession with this particular flavor of felony. We'll put it up next to the neckbeard ranting about his favorite video game, and the fat guy touting the virtues of his favorite food. Just like the armchair art cr
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Also, I am kind of skeptical of someone who is "an old friend" of anonymous, without being anonymous herself.
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Jokes aside, that's about it. The case in question is a bog-standard investigation and prosecution. The only notable twist is the guy's political connections. There's really no reason for widespread coverage.
Then, to quote Harlequin80 above, why is it "there are too many cases of people being tried in the media and having their lives destroyed when they actually haven't done anything wrong"? Why isn't every case treated as this one was?
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Why isn't every case treated as this one was?
Is that a rhetorical question, or do you really not understand the capricious nature of the mainstream news, the primary goal of which is to get views?
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Not really. He's a fund raising hack, not someone of particular note or in any position of power.
It sounds more like you read "Republican" and went off the deep end with your assumptions than any indictment of the media.
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Given people are so fucking stupid they will attack paediatricians thinking they are paedophiles
That really is true, btw.
http://www.theguardian.com/uk/... [theguardian.com]
Doctor driven out of home by vigilantes
This is the one. (Score:2)
Many top level elites deserve to be dragged from office and put in jail forever.
And not just for these crimes, but for basically everything which is wrong with the world today.
But this sort of corruption reveal might just trigger the kind of revolutionary anger needed.
I hope Anonymous has thought about lots of protection plans, because this will get bloody and dirty fast if they start to pick up momentum.
Things to look for:
-FOX News personalities coming up with apologist talking points to defend c
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If? No...when.
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Like everyone I think fighting pedopornograhy is a good thing
I think catching the rapists is a good thing. Government thugs censoring information should be condemned.
I Don't Buy It (Score:2)
"sympathetic"? No one is sympathetic to pedophiles.
Re:I Don't Buy It (Score:5, Insightful)
No one is sympathetic to pedophiles.
I guess that depends on what you mean by sympathetic and what you mean by pedophile.
I assume you meant "child molester" not pedophile. Someone else has in another sub-thread already said that pedophiles who control their urges should be commended not called scum.
As for child molesters:
Anyone who due to biology or upbringing (e.g. being brainwashed to enjoy sex while a child themselves) that lets them enjoy having sex with kids or young teens and who due to biology or upbringing lacks the self control to keep away from the insides of kids' pants deserves prison (or a psych lockup if legally insane), in- and (if not a life sentence) post-prison mental-health care, and, yes, sympathy.
Why sympathy? You can't help your biology. You can't help your up-bringing. You CAN and MUST make your own choices as an adult, but if you are facing life with "two strikes against you," you do deserve and have my sympathy. But if I'm your juror that sympathy won't reduce your punishment.
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Add to this that many child molesters are not pedophiles and things get even messier. A lot of child molestations are basically rape: acts of anger, domination and ownership, especially when committed by new step-parents.
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And I really do not see where you are coming from. How does it create demand? Are there Pedophiles making a killing off of ads or subscriptions? I sort of get the impression it is more about enthusiastic individuals who do it b
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Unlike legal adult porn, there isn't any copyright protection, which really cuts down on the potential profits.
Only if you accept that copyrights are effective in the first place, something which I've yet to see be scientifically proven.
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While copyright isn't popular around here, the fact remains that a lot of people manage to make money by producing easily copyable content.
Yes, and they might even be able to do that without copyright. We have no idea what our society would look like if copyright just magically vanished. Businesses, instead of abusing copyright to get what they want, would have to find alternative means of making money. Would they be successful? Again, copyright's effectiveness has not been scientifically proven, so no one knows.
And it's a lot easier to do so if the content is legal.
Indeed, and that's the main difference, not the lack of copyright.
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there are people who actually believe trading in and looking at child porn isn't a problem, that that is victimless, it's just pictures and video
I don't think I've seen anyone argue that the distribution of child porn isn't a problem.
I have seen people argue that the First Amendment permits it, regardless of whether it's problematic or not.
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I don't think I've seen anyone argue that the distribution of child porn isn't a problem.
It's a problem in the sense of privacy, but I don't think it should be forbidden. If rapists act based on other people's demand for more, then their actions are their own and no one else's. We need to stop people willing to rape others, regardless of whether or not they're raping children. But adults' lives are only about half as valuable as children's lives according to society, so good luck with that.
I have seen people argue that the First Amendment permits it, regardless of whether it's problematic or not.
This.
Re:I Don't Buy It (Score:4, Insightful)
Is there any evidence for that? No. Is there any evidence that enforcement against viewers is effective? No.
Yes, indeed we are. You fabricate "facts" to support an encroachment of a surveillance state and totalitarian government. Typical for you.
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Even if it created demand, someone's actions are their own. No one has to rape to respond to "demand," so if they do, it's their fault.
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and who are you? why would you have a strong opinion about me. do i know you? otherwise, to go after me personally, anonymously, this is what we call a troll
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i've commented on the topic. you've commented on me. who is not contributing substantively here exactly? therefore who is the troll?
Avoid outing suspects, and other tips (Score:4, Informative)
Suspected != guilty and if they go around publicizing suspects or even people who the police have named as suspects or "persons of interest" who turn out to be innocent, it will hurt Anonymous's own reputation big-time.
What they - and everyone else - can and should do is make sure that if you do run across child porn or links to what you think is child porn, you immediately report it to all relevant authorities and that if the authorities seem to be ignoring a case, that all relevant news outlets are notified. If the news outlets seem to be participating in a cover up, notify other news outlets, but be careful: What looks like a "news outlet conspiracy of silence" may be because the FBI is in the middle of a sting and the feds have asked the news outlets to keep quiet until the trap is sprung. If Anonymous's well-meaning attempts to bring things into the open result in the sting being aborted or going bust, well, that would be bad.
On a side-note:
* Do not go "looking for" child porn - you could wind up being charged and convicted yourself. If you are wondering what it's like, my best educated guess is it is like looking at images of concentration-camp children: 1) the underlying event that happened to land on camera haunts the person in the photograph for his or her life, 2) the image itself is likely to be so stomach-churning that it will haunt you for a long time, and even if it doesn't, 3) the knowledge of what happened to that child should haunt you for a long long time (if it doesn't, either you have grown jaded and I'm sad for you, or you need to talk to someone because your conscience may be less than that of the average adult's and this diminished conscience may lead you to hurt someone without realizing it and/or without caring)
* If you routinely do things in your fight against child-porn that put you at a higher risk of running across it, as some of these Anonymous guys likely are, take technical steps to reduce your risk (use a text-only browser, for instance), and have a lawyer on retainer. Ask your lawyer what steps you need to take so when the police do come knocking it's painfully obvious to the police, the jury, and to everyone else that you are not intending to actually download or possess the stuff but sometimes it gets through your technical barriers.
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Suspected != guilty and if they go around publicizing suspects or even people who the police have named as suspects or "persons of interest" who turn out to be innocent, it will hurt Anonymous's own reputation big-time.
Yes, it would hurt Anonymous's sterling reputation as fine, upstanding citizens, full of kindness and charity, the very model of intergrity and all that is good in the world.
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Or the news outlets don't judge something that "links to what you think is child porn" to be newsworthy. (Which it isn't actually.) Or they lump you in with the dozens (or more) other tips from "crazies" they get on a dai
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If you want to do something of such high risk so badly that you'll lawyer shop until you get the advice you want - why bother to ask a lawyer at all?
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Being a pedophile is also different from being a child molester or even someone who looks at child porn.
Try googling "pedophile ring". Organized pedophilia is hardly hypothetical.
Mostly just witch hunts and conspiracy theories.
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A nonexistent threat to myself? What are you even referring to?
And I think it's amazing that you "for the children" losers are so concerned with something that in large part isn't even a significant problem to begin with. Car accidents (and many other things) are more of a concern to me than bogeymen like terrorists or child molesters.
In fact, the real concern here is all the scumbags who take advantage of "We need to save the children!" fools and get them to support laws which violate our fundamental liber
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Besides, why just children? Why not adult rape victims? Why are children put on such a pedestal? I for one don't think that children are magically more important than adults.
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Aw, you were doing so well. I agreed with you up to this point.
1. Children need looking after, that's just how they are. It's not putting them on a pedestal, it's recognizing that they are vulnerable.
2. It's possible to deal with one issue at a time. Just because bad things happen to other people does not mean concentrating on one group with particular issues and needs is wrong.
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Pedophiles or child molesters? Pedophiles who look at child porn? Both? Which is it?
These "pedophile rings" are much less of a threat to us than the NSA's mass surveillance, the thugs working for the TSA, car accidents, the freedom-hating "for the children", or any number of other things. To begin with, most of it's just witch hunt nonsense. I'm sure some of these rings do exist, but the threat is greatly exaggerated.
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Your lack of compassion for our fundamental liberties and your involvement with the illogical "for the children" crowd have been noted.
You don't get to decide who I do or don't have compassion for, you ignorant fool, just like I don't get to decide that for you. Just because I don't worship children and place their lives above all else does not mean I have no compassion for rape victims. But do note that I have compassion for all rape victims, including those who are children.
Introducing logic into a topic
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Resorting to name calling and conspiracy alleging doesn't make you look any better.
You mean like how you said I supposedly have no compassion for victims? Name calling does not make any of my points valid. I've noticed that you've totally avoided putting forth any logical counterarguments and instead opted to comment about how I called you names or how you've decided in your own imagination that I have no compassion (irrelevant to the conversation anyway); why?
it's going to help the cause of eradicating child exploitation
Do you have any evidence that it will help, rather than end up with innocent people accused of things they did not do? Mob justice
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Name calling does not make any of my points valid.
Or invalid, for that matter. It does not affect the validity of my points at all.
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... Anonymous need help?
Since the real Anonymous got sent to jail.
This is a publicity stunt.
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but fight pedophile criminals.
That being said, i doubt that i wnat to put justice in this respect in anonymous hands.
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Someone isn't necessarily guilty of anything just because they're a pedophile.
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You're exactly why this is a bad idea. You're so blinded by your hatred, you're a useful idiot for anyone who wants someone eliminated based on shakey planted evidence.
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Re:biological imperative (Score:4, Insightful)
I am swayed.
I'm not. I grow tired of people treating adults as if their lives are worth less than the lives of children, and I will not sacrifice our fundamental liberties in exchange for 'safety' from bogeymen, even if that safety is real. Freedom is what's important.
As the facts come forth we will know more. If the accusations are true then let the offenders be castrated and tortured to death. I will volunteer to do it with a rusty blade.
There's absolutely no accountability or standards of evidence. Even if they are true, though, by revealing that you support the death penalty (and torture), you've revealed yourself to be a mere barbarian ruled by their emotions and desires for vengeance.
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But they are.
No, they aren't. There is no objective value to someone's life. A child's life is no more important than my own.
while children are potentially part of the solution
Everyone is potentially part of the solution. You may say that the chances that an adult could change their views are slim, but I'd say the chances that a child could be part of the solution when they grow up is just about as slim.
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You may say that the chances that an adult could change their views are slim, but I'd say the chances that a child could be part of the solution when they grow up is just about as slim.
Ah, but the adult has to change their views and accomplish something, the bar is much higher.
Re:Conflicted : all for it yet scares the crop out (Score:5, Insightful)
Not all pedophiles act on their urges. The ones that realize their urges cannot be acted upon and thus live their lives suffering with such an affliction should be commended, not referred to as "scum" just because of an attraction they probably wish they didn't have.
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And how are you going to associate those hashes with anything real, unless you have the database of what is real? Law enforcement can work with hashes, because they have a legal exception to actually also have the real images. Anybody else doing this is just a CP owner.
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The problem is that if someone will make a serious progress... is it likely that he/she will be called pedophile himself/herself? Will it require for the activists to keep samples of the problematic photos?
It is something that will require careful and well thought through handling, that much is certain; and it will probably involve cooperating with the police. It is not wise to risk looking like you've been sitting on a stash of pedophile materials.
But I think there is a more fundamental problem, when it comes to pedophilia, which is that it is surrounded by taboos, to the extent that it actually difficult to research. And as long as we don't understand it well enough, we are essentially working blind. For on