19,000 French Websites Hit By DDoS, Defaced In Wake of Terror Attacks 206
An anonymous reader writes Since the three day terror attack that started in France on January 7 with the attack on satirical newspaper Charlie Hebdo, 19,000 websites of French-based companies have been targeted by cyber attackers. This unprecedented avalanche of cyber attacks targeted both government sites and that of big and small businesses. Most were low-level DDoS attacks, and some were web defacements. Several websites in a number of towns in the outskirts of Paris have been hacked and covered with an image of an ISIS flag. The front pages of the official municipality websites have been covered with the Jihadist militant group's black flag. In a report, Radware researchers noted that Islamic hacker group AnonGhost has also launched a "digital jihad" against France.
Beats using bullets (Score:4, Insightful)
A slightly better form of protest than AK47's I guess.
Re:Beats using bullets (Score:5, Interesting)
It's a step in the right direction.
Now, instead of just posting a graphic of a flag, how about posting some justification? Explain what you are objecting to and why you find it objectionable.
You have the attention of the media.
Unless you're a bunch of teenage script kiddies doing this for the lulz.
Re:Beats using bullets (Score:5, Insightful)
Exactly how it is that they came to know that god said so(since he didn't say so to them; but allegedly to some other guy, now dead, can be a little touchy; but I've rarely found it to be a productive avenue for discussion.
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If you think that they really believe in God, any more than Christians, Jews and members of Western religions do, then you should take a political science course. Religion is just an excuse to steal things from other people.
The only ones who believe that God bullshit are the dumb people on the bottom, like the ones who voted for George W. Bush and the Republicans against their own interests.
John Dean, the presidential counsel who ratted on Nixon, wrote a book about how the Republican party discovered the st
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I don't doubt the presence of cynics; I'd just start looking for them in the cushy gigs, rather than the morgue.
Re: Beats using bullets (Score:4, Insightful)
Iraq still had engineering and medical schools after it was liberated. The Bush administration facilitated partnerships between Iraqi institutions and those in the US and Europe, ending Iraq's isolation from the international community and helped its efforts to rebuild after the long night of Saddam's rule.
Saddam did immense damage to the country by diverting its resources into arms deals and building palaces instead of education, medicine, and other necessities. That is before you get into the political repression, mass murder, and so on.
The Islamists that you can't quite bring yourself to condemn specifically targeted Iraqi intellectuals for murder, people like professors, doctors, and engineers.
Pro tip: Don't let your butt hurt over policy disagreements cause you to lie, i.e. "until GWB destroyed them".
Irony alert: Somehow I can't imagine you suggesting to any other country or group of terrorists that they not attack another country full of engineers: the US. Funny how that works.
Re: Beats using bullets (Score:5, Informative)
Iraq still had engineering and medical schools after it was liberated. The Bush administration facilitated partnerships between Iraqi institutions and those in the US and Europe, ending Iraq's isolation from the international community and helped its efforts to rebuild after the long night of Saddam's rule.
http://www.thebulletin.org/web... [thebulletin.org]
An education in occupation
By Hugh Gusterson
Bulletin of the Atomic Scientists
2 February 2012
Until the 1990s, Iraq had perhaps the best university system in the Middle East. Saddam Hussein's regime used oil revenues to underwrite free tuition for Iraqi university students -- churning out doctors, scientists, and engineers who joined the country's burgeoning middle class and anchored development. Although political dissent was strictly off-limits, Iraqi universities were professional, secular institutions that were open to the West, and spaces where male and female, Sunni and Shia mingled. Also the schools pushed hard to educate women, who constituted 30 percent of Iraqi university faculties by 1991. (This is, incidentally, better than Princeton was doing as late as 2009.) With a reputation for excellence, Iraqi universities attracted many students from surrounding countries -- the same countries that are now sheltering the thousands of Iraqi professors who have fled US-occupied Iraq.
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Until the 1990s, Iraq had perhaps the best university system in the Middle East...
And what happened in August, 1990?
Anyone? Anyone?
Iraq invaded Kuwait, which lead to the destruction of most of the Iraqi Army, massive damage to the economy and infrastructure, and harsh international sanctions that Saddam magnified the effect of by diverting money intended for food and medicine to buying weapons and building many large, expensive palaces.
From your article:
Iraqi universities began their decline in the 12 years after the 1991 Gulf War. As the international sanctions regime cut off journal subscriptions and equipment purchases, academic salaries fell precipitously, and 10,000 Iraqi professors left the country. Those faculty who remained were increasingly closed off from new developments in their fields.
The terrible situation Saddam created was made even worse by the Islamists and insurgents.
Killings lead to brain drain from Iraq [telegraph.co.uk] - 17
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That's right. Iraq actually had a valid complaint about Kuwait's pumping oil in a way that interfered with Iraq's oil. The U.S. told Sadam Hussain to settle it with Kuwait himself. Then when he followed U.S. advice, they went to war with him. There was no U.S. interest in getting involved. Kuwait bought influence.
http://foreignpolicy.com/2011/... [foreignpolicy.com]
In a now famous interview with the Iraqi leader, U.S. Ambassador April Glaspie told Saddam, ‘[W]e have no opinion on the Arab-Arab conflicts, like your border
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Until the 1990s, Iraq had perhaps the best university system in the Middle East...
And what happened in August, 1990?
Anyone? Anyone?
Iraq invaded Kuwait, which lead to the destruction of most of the Iraqi Army, massive damage to the economy and infrastructure, and harsh international sanctions
What happened was that, after Iraq invaded Kuwait with U.S. approval, the U.S. invaded Iraq, with destruction of the economy, and international sanctions. This was directly caused by the U.S.
I read the BMJ and Lancet every week, 2 British medical publications. Many of their readers were Iraqi doctors, because Saddam sent a lot of doctors to the UK for medical training. So they were getting a lot of direct information on the situation in Iraq, from doctors who mostly hated Saddam, but were concerned about th
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This is the one truth in your argument. There is no doubting that State sent false signals to Saddam repeatedly telling him they didn't give a rats ass about arab-arab affairs. That he was fool enough to believe that was what surprised me. He took Kuwait and they had him hooked and started reeling him in. Too bad he didn't get the point and just kept on kicking. If he'd gotten back in line he'd still be alive torturing people today. The US helped put him in power, then they helped take him out. He fo
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Saddam did immense damage to the country by diverting its resources into arms deals and building palaces instead of education, medicine, and other necessities. That is before you get into the political repression, mass murder, and so on.
Right. And where did Saddam come from? Could we really have been ignorant of what his true goals were when we trained and equipped his forces to begin with?
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What an intelligent response. I see why you're anon.
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They must be getting a bit old and frail now.
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Explain what you are objecting to and why you find it objectionable.
Perhaps they're mad as hell that we don't have sufficient gender diversity in our IT industry.
Re:Beats using bullets (Score:5, Insightful)
Come to think of it, a movement with that sort of ready access to alienated 20something guys who loath the foundations of the society around them could probably be competitive in the production of Punk, and maybe some metal subgenres, except that they think all that stuff is haram. Oh well.
Re: Beats using bullets (Score:2, Interesting)
Lots of good targets if anonymous or whoever wants to help actually have the skills to do more than script and ddos attacks. Its not like these guys have no family connected to the real world, or have been sending tweets through smoke signals.
They have technical infrastructure, and probably ties to several governments, which means there's tons of opportunity for anything from doxxing associates and officials to following and disrupting the various money trains involved.
Re:Beats using bullets (Score:5, Insightful)
Can you think of any good targets?
Saudi Arabia - Sheiks, bankers. After all, they're the one pulling the strings of their 'jihadist' puppets.
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Yes, but now we have two dollar gas, so today they're our friends.
Anyway, it looks like the wars have started in earnest.
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Whoa, you should not attack the infrastructure of our oil delivering buddies!
Seriously, the various TLAs will be SO all over you.
Re:Beats using bullets (Score:4, Insightful)
post scandalous images of the prophet on their forums
anyways, internet technology is a product of the secular institutions of the west. i'm not sure why or how they reconcile the use of modern technology with their medieval abusive "beliefs." of course, they don't, they're violent morons incapable of critical thought
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i'm sorry for not showing the respect due to murderous religious extremists
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I'm not. Jehooova, Jehoooooooova! *dance*
Re:Beats using bullets (Score:4, Interesting)
ISIS supporters are mostly westerners, people who grew up with technology, and a firm grasp of western culture. They seem to be able to use computers just fine.
Re:Beats using bullets (Score:5, Insightful)
lots of good targets.. hack their sms gateways, post shit about the people who try to benefit from west hate(plenty of such people. they benefit from it locally, like selling usa flags for burning you know, most of them don't really care shit about what happens 10 km from them), hack the islamist nations sites and put on information on how to bypass their censorships, links to news sites, links to just sites about their own countries laws so they understand that the local warlords are fucking them up the ass and that the tribe shit belongs to 17th century and they - their ability to learn how technology works, the future of their occupational careers, the future of their wealth and health - is all getting fucked up by extremists who claim the west is exploiting them when the worst exploiter for any one of them is the village chief and corruption! corruption includes paying thugs to go shoot neighboring village up with ak47's to "gain advantage" on price of khat or whatever the fuck their petty dealings center around.
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Can you think of any good targets? Religious radicals with a...vehemently...nostalgic enthusiasm for an imaginary medieval ideal tend not to be on the cutting edge of technology and culture production.
So... what? Did they deface hack into 19000 websites and deface them using sticks and throwing stones?
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Why stop there? It's religion that's the problem, let's wipe religion and everything, everyone and all associated with it from the planet.
Better a DDOS (Score:4, Interesting)
Better a DDOS than murder.
Re:Better a DDOS (Score:5, Insightful)
Unfortunately it is an "AND", not an "OR".
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Turns out it's media over-reaction (Score:3)
As is so often the case, it turns out the whole situation is an over-reaction and bad reporting by the media:
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2015/01/17/french_media_blackout/ [theregister.co.uk]
Erm Yeah Right (Score:3, Interesting)
Organisation should never overplay their hand, otherwise people know who is really holding the cards an what is actually in their hands. There is real value in the idea that the truth will set you free. Free from the fears of those who wish to drive your choices via the fear the attempt to create and free from the lies that others would seek to trap you in. Oh look who is having a security conference, uh huh.
DDoS attacks, and some were web defacements ... (Score:2)
Yawn.
These guys are not quite as boring as Anonymous.
Did they deface Slashdot too? (Score:5, Funny)
Or is the layout just broken again?
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On Iceweasel, 1024x600
it's putting an oversize white margin on the left,
text partly overlaps into the grey margin on the right which is also too large,
and when you go to reply, there's a huge mostly white area at the top - you have to scroll down to use it.
And still, after posting or following a link, when you go back it takes you to the top of the page rather than the point you left from. Every other single site on the entire interweb gets that right.
Weak attack, weak security (Score:5, Informative)
It seems the attacks only targeted known vulnerabilities in Drupal and Joomla. Sites that did not use them, and site that were up to date, just experienced high loads.
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Newsflash: Crappy webpages with crappy security get hacked by scriptkiddies using ancient exploits. More at 11 after the movie.
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"19,000 attacked with low level DoS" (Score:5, Interesting)
So basically less annoying than spam.
Pretty sure the correct solution is ban any method of communication which the government can't listen in on. That'll mean a camera with microphone in every bedroom, of course.
Those guys in Paris are failed terrorists unless they succeed in inciting acts of terror by European government against their citizens - and there is nothing more terrorising than the thought you're always being listened to by men with guns with the power to lock you up, no matter who you intend to communicate with - in which case they will have been successful terrorists.
Just as, after the first few months of 9/11, there was clearly nothing to fear except from US government finding an excuse to destroy freedom. Again, the book on those terrorists could have been closed as "killed a lot of people, but did not change the American way of life", but instead we find they were successful too, because they incited the US government to destroy freedom.
(rustles script pages) (Score:3)
Ahem ... this clearly has nothing, NOTHING to do with Islam, which is a religion of peace, blah blah.
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Cue the sarcastic this has nothing to do with Islam bullshit. Wait, you started before your cue.
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My neighbor? He's not gay.
I'm not sure I understand why... (Score:5, Informative)
The only source in Islamic law that all Muslims accept indisputably is the Quran. And, conspicuously, the Quran decrees no earthly punishment for blasphemy — or for apostasy (abandonment or renunciation of the faith), a related concept. Nor, for that matter, does the Quran command stoning, female circumcision or a ban on fine arts.
Tellingly, severe punishments for blasphemy and apostasy appeared when increasingly despotic Muslim empires needed to find a religious justification to eliminate political opponents.
In addition, Muslim extremists seem selective in their outrage:
The Quran praises other prophets — such as Abraham, Moses and Jesus — and even tells Muslims to “make no distinction” between these messengers of God. Yet for some reason, Islamist extremists seem to obsess only about the Prophet Muhammad.
Even more curiously, mockery of God — what one would expect to see as the most outrageous blasphemy — seems to have escaped their attention as well.
Finally, the action *actually* recommended by the Quran is simply: Do not sit with them ...
Before all that politically motivated expansion and toughening of Shariah, though, the Quran told early Muslims, who routinely faced the mockery of their faith by pagans: “God has told you in the Book that when you hear God’s revelations disbelieved in and mocked at, do not sit with them until they enter into some other discourse; surely then you would be like them.”
Just “do not sit with them” — that is the response the Quran suggests for mockery. Not violence. Not even censorship.
Re:I'm not sure I understand why... (Score:5, Informative)
Koran (4:89) - "They wish that you should disbelieve as they disbelieve, and then you would be equal; therefore take not to yourselves friends of them, until they emigrate in the way of God; then, if they turn their backs, take them, and slay them wherever you find them; take not to yourselves any one of them as friend or helper."
Is there some problem with the translation? Seems fairly clear to me.
Re:I'm not sure I understand why... (Score:5, Informative)
Koran (4:89) - "They wish that you should disbelieve as they disbelieve, and then you would be equal; therefore take not to yourselves friends of them, until they emigrate in the way of God; then, if they turn their backs, take them, and slay them wherever you find them; take not to yourselves any one of them as friend or helper."
Is there some problem with the translation? Seems fairly clear to me.
Take it up with the guy (who I presume is a Muslim) who wrote the NYT article, I was simply quoting and conceding that he probably knows more about this than I (and most /.'ers) do. However, according to this Qur’an 4:89 Commentary [theamericanmuslim.org], the quote you listed is (commonly) taken out of context (the link has the full verse) and in context really means:
... this verse also only commands Muslims to fight those who practice oppression or persecution, or attack the Muslims.
I am not even remotely knowledgeable, but it seems like something open to a bit of interpretation. Wouldn't it be nice if those people doing the interpretation and passing that on to their followers, focused on interpretations that involved killing fewer people?
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This line of argument appears to justify violence that is suggested in the book. And there might be some, in at least one interpretation which we can't prove incorrect. Clearly counter productive to your (and mine) goal of reducing violence. What do you think?
I prefer arguing against violence whether or not any book recommends it.
I *have* read the text (Score:4, Insightful)
I have read the text a couple of times. And it clearly states that Muslims are to DEFEND themselves against oppressors without mercy, but to live amongst them in peace if they are not being attacked.
But that doesn't play into the ideology of fanatics, so they conveniently skip those caveats when quoting their text.
Much as Pat Robertson and Westboro Baptist are very selective about their edited "quotes".
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I have read the text a couple of times. And it clearly states that Muslims are to DEFEND themselves against oppressors without mercy, but to live amongst them in peace if they are not being attacked.
Yes, all their religious officials have to do is spin any non-acceptance of their religion as an attack on it, and then they have justified any amount of violence. Please, think this through a little more.
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I have read the text a couple of times. And it clearly states that Muslims are to DEFEND themselves against oppressors without mercy, but to live amongst them in peace if they are not being attacked.
But they can interpret ridicule or criticism as an attack or an oppression, can't they? That's the trouble with interpretation, anyone can put their own spin on it and use it to justify their actions.
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So they get to slay me only if I tried to chat them out of being friends with their imaginary buddy? Seems excessive if you ask me, but where did anyone at Charlie Hebdo try to talk them out of the friendship with their personal big guy?
You know, it's easy to not be friends with someone: Ignore them.
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There's nothing in the Bible about abortion or gun laws, and barely anything about homosexuality, yet those are like the three biggest religious-right political issues. And hell, Jesus was basically more pro-communist than Lenin, but during the Cold War, no siree, it's us good Christian capitalists versus those damned heathen commies. So obviously "it wasn't in scripture" isn't going to stop religious nuts.
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Jesus was the ultimate non-violent guy. Hell, he even let himself get killed rather than resisting it. Along with all of that "turn the other cheek" and "love your enemy" stuff, he's basically the original hippie. Love and peace and all the shit.
Oddly, exactly those that claim that they're all Jesus and "reborn" and "accepted him as their savior" and whatnot usually aren't big on that shit but prefer all the vengeful god bull from the Old book.
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The argument over images is not unique to Islam. Many protestants regard images of Jesus or saints as idolatry. They just don't tend to kill people over it.
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Duh. Why should just this holy book be any different from the other holy books there are? It's a tool to gain power by claiming that you have some imaginary all powerful buddy that will come and beat your opponents up if they don't follow you. Of course you want him to say whatever you currently need.
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Damn right they do! Just like all the religious loonies they also have all the relevant quotes handy that support their case.
All the one that contradict them ... uhhh... well, that's more figuratively and not so important, and you have to see that in context, and it wasn't meant that way...
Terror attacks (Score:5, Interesting)
On the other hand, french journalists are afraid because they feel they could ne the next attacked, and their reports suggest terror is widespread, but it is a fake perception for the whole french society.
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It is terrorism. It is intended to cause terror. The people of france are not terrified and it was not successful in terrorizing people, but it doesnt mean it is not a terrorist attack, it is just an unsuccessful one.
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I am not convinced they only intended to terrorize journalists. If they did, it would indeed be journalism-targeted terrorism.
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France in a general sense was certainly afraid: Sales figures for the beginning of the post-holiday sales were off by over 30%
Were we afraid of being personally attacked? No, in general but a few jewish friends certainly were.
Note that the millions in the streets didn't happen until the terrorists were all identified and dead. I know many people who were iffy about going but firmed up once it was clear that the authors of the killings were dead.
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It was an attempt to terrorize that backfired BIG time. Not only did thousands hit the street but Charlie Hebdo went from a run of a few thousand to selling over a million copies.
If it wasn't for the body count, I'm sure a few newspapers wouldn't mind getting "terrorized".
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Charlie Hebdo went from a run of a few thousand to selling over a million copies.
The supreme irony is that Charlie Hebdo had financial problems. Without the murders, they would have filled for bankruptcy within a few years. The murderers killed the journalists but saved the newspaper.
A positive step (Score:3)
The crusades are returning, and every attack hardens our defenses. In the end, AK-47s and RPGs are no match for a thousand years of military advances while they neuter themselves with infighting.
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You are just seeing the end of the Marshall Plan.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M... [wikipedia.org]
Basically the Marshall plan made europe beholden to US interests. In the name of fighting the Soviets. Now that the Soviets are fairly well neutered funding has basically unwound out of those countries. You are seeing a return to norms. It will not take many incidents for people to remember their original loyalties. Europeans traditionally are *very* loyalist to their countries. Even my family members in the US still rel
What they won't tell you (Score:2)
Ahahaha, no, I didn't RTFA.
ISIS idolizes Hebdo's caricatures of prophets? (Score:2)
Here's the irony of the situation: the whole idea behind forbidding drawings/sculptures of their prophet is to prevent idolatry. The prohibition of idolatry applies only to Muslims creating/worshiping religious idols. Unless these ISIS guys greatly admired Charlie Hebdo's caricatures, they have no religious justification for what they did. These guys are simply murderers even under their very own Islamic rules.
That must be a hoax (Score:2)
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Biting the hand that feeds you? (Score:2)
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Is it OK with you if the French at least inconvenience the people trying to massacre them?
"False flag"? Don't be an ass.
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I think his comment was more about never letting a crisis go to waste. About the government being behind it in order to impose freedom stealing laws that the people would normally/otherwise revolt over.
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Are your sympathies with the Islamist terrorists, or Western civilization?
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I sympathize with freedom.
I.e., referring to your comment, with neither of your options.
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A "close call" you say?? I'll bet it is.
ISIS Crucifies Eight Rival Rebels For Being Too 'Moderate,' Will Display Bodies For Three Days In Syrian Town Square [ibtimes.com]
Isis executioners 'kill gays by hurling them off roofs' in Mosul [ibtimes.co.uk]
Nigeria: Over 2000 Feared Dead in 'Deadliest Massacre in Boko Haram's History' [ibtimes.co.in]
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I didn't think we killed anywhere near 150,000 people. The Iraq body count during the occupation by the US was around 133,000 killed by both coalition and "insurgents." It's an ugly thing as war always is. The US didn't intentionally target civilians but in urban combat that doesn't mean much. It's impossible to conduct a war and not kill innocents which is why it's such a good thing to avoid war.
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I don't know how the US got that body count. At one time, they ordered the hospital morgues not to release any information to the press. It wasn't very open or transparent. They had a motivation to keep the numbers low. If somebody dies and doesn't get taken to a hospital morgue, is he counted? If somebody is killed in the country, and is buried in a grave in a private burial, is he counted?
The studies reported by the New England Journal of Medicine and Lancet were done by epidemiologists who had worked in
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Most of Europe has meaning immigration of people from Muslim nations occurring. But China doesn't and it is suffering its own unrest and attacks (as you may have heard).
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By definition it's 100%.
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I'd say the biggest blow to civil liberties was when islamists went into a newspaper office and killed everybody. that's what I call a chilling effect.
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I'm going to go to the web sites of President Obama and my representatives. Those web sites have "Comments" or "Send a Message" sections, in which you can send a message to those people. In the "Comments" sections of the web sites, I'm going to ask them to make electronic security a high priority.
When you send a message to your elected representative, be sure to include a campaign contribution of $10,000 or so. If enough of us did that, they'd pay attention.
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If we all chip in, maybe we can afford to have a senator, too? I mean, you can get a high class hooker for a thousand bucks, how expensive can one of those whores be?
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If we all chip in, maybe we can afford to have a senator, too? I mean, you can get a high class hooker for a thousand bucks, how expensive can one of those whores be?
Eliot Spitzer was only paying $1,000 an hour, and that was for one of the premier escort services.
There is definitely a crowdsourcing opportunity here. Big donors give $100,000, and they get $100 million back in government favors. The little guy should have an opportunity to get the same kind of return.
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Electronic security against what? Bearded, illiterate hackers running sql injection scripts they found on astalavista using a mikee dees free wifi connection?
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WTF does having a beard have to do with anything?
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Perhaps Obama should declare war on SQL injection?
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We need to protect access to power companies, air traffic control, military, etc. We need to do so now.
No, no we don't. The proof is that there have allegedly been terrists who'd like to blow that stuff up since forever, but they don't get blown up. It's not even worth doing. If you want to make the world a better place, spend that money promoting education. The thing the Islamics fear most is a girl with a book.
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Relax. All they could hijack was webpages that used some broadly used webkits in ancient, outdated and no longer maintained versions that have never ever been as much as looked at, let alone touched, by anyone who doesn't think IT security is a female hygiene product.
And if that is the case with your critical infrastructure, a law requiring that you up your security and have it reviewed regularly is a far better idea than going apeshit over "OMG hackerz outlaw em!"
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Occupation of Iraq was the seminal crime that unleashed all the hatred and terror we're suffering from
Of course. That explains things like the Lockerbie bombing of 1988. You know, right about the time when Iran and Iraq were throwing chemical weapons at each other.
Shame on you, Bush. Your warmongering knows no limits, it even defies the forward-only nature of time.
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Try coming to France as a tourist. Hey, some people are wonderful, but lots of people think of & treat tourists like dirt. There's a reason why the expression "Paris would be wonderful if it weren't for the Parisians" exists...
Besides he may just be english & we cordially hate them just as much as they hate us. Where would the rugby rivalry be without it?
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Funny. Just what I was thinking coming back from the US. "The US would be great if it wasn't for the people"...
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You've got to admire their tenacity. Now I'm pretty fucking tough and all that, but I think if I got nuked even once I'd probably call it a day.
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Hmm.... what is this "cyber" I keep hearing?
What I can puzzle together from the context is that the use of "cyber" means "I have no fucking clue what I'm talking about".
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He did, actually, ban all the Linux and Apple botnets from the net. Sadly it had little overall effect on the malware load.