NVIDIA Sues Qualcomm and Samsung Seeking To Ban Import of Samsung Phones 110
Calibax writes NVIDIA has filed complaints against Samsung and Qualcomm at the ITC and in the U.S. District court in Delaware. The suit alleges that the companies are both infringing NVIDIA GPU patents covering technology including programmable shading, unified shaders and multithreaded parallel processing. NVIDIA is seeking damages and a ban on U.S. import of a number of devices with Snapdragon and Exynos processors until there is an agreement on licensing.
Out of ideas? (Score:1)
Sue the competition!
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NVIDIA Sues Qualcomm, and Samsung Seeking To Ban Import of Samsung Phones
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Samsung: So big that it patent trolls itself.
Re: Say what now? (Score:2)
Grammar has no place here.
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Are you gonna fix your retarded headline samzenpus? Do you even read the dumb shit you write before you add it to the front page? I wish everyone would just move to soylentnews, much better editing over there.
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I am not paid to edit a largish news site...
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I'm glad I could brighten your day :D
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I wish everyone would just move to soylentnews, much better editing over there.
Why? Are you so bored you have to come whine here if you have a better place? I don't get it.
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I like the comments here, and there are currently not enough commenters over there. Better editing, but way less comments, so I use both. doesn't mean I cant talk shit. This is the internet after all...
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Because phones and cellular networks are entirely software
pretty much yeahm they wouldn't do any parallel gpu processing unless instructed with software and they hardly invented parallel processing as such.
they're just pissed off because nobody wants to use NVIDIA's soc.. coming soon, watch samsung release a phone with nvidia designed chip, as a token release - and bury it with their other phone releases. kind of how they produced windows phones for surprisingly long - not that they put any effort into selling them or anything but at least they got something back
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Software is math but you could also say the same about anything that was ever invented. At the end of the day everything is math.
One of my observations over years of watching and listening to software patent trolling is that nobody makes the difference between actual research and the coding. Coding is coding and implementing an existing concept to another existing concept is just more coding UNLESS research is required to achieve the final objective. The key here is that there should be an amount of researc
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So your telling me there's a difference between putting intellectual knowledge in a computer program versus on paper?
At the end of the day research is research. Whether is results in a material good or not is irrelevant.
Switching to AMD (Score:5, Informative)
Thankfully, the Open Source AMD video driver has progressed enough to use it for normal computing. I've been using it on cards I already had laying around, and it performs very well for daily use. It performs much better than Nouveau (which isn't surprising, since AMD released full specifications, and nVidia requires complete clean-room reverse engineering), and integrates into a Linux desktop cleaner than the nVidia proprietary driver (nVidia destroys the boot display, for example).
Now I have enough motivation to no longer use nVidia. Thank you, nVidia, for helping AMD gain some ground.
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Re:Switching to AMD (Score:5, Informative)
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+5 Informative???
We're talking about mobile device SoCs here, where AMD don't even compete.
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Qualcomm's GPU core, Adreno, is actually something Qualcomm purchased from ATi/AMD when they spun off their mobile division. Long ago ATi was doing mobile GPUs before NVidia and Intel were doing them (and before they became commonplace when graphics were still mostly software driven).
Anyhow, I suppose NVidia was in trouble - they had a popular SoC and their subsequent ones have failed to capitalize on it (remember when practically all Android tablets had NVidia Tegra 2 and Tegra 3 SoCs?).
Interesting article on Semiaccurate about this (Score:5, Interesting)
Previously, Nvidia said [nvidia.com] that it would license it's Kepler GPU cores to third parties. Semiaccurate maintains [semiaccurate.com] that this licensing program was in fact bogus and was conceived purely to justify future patent trolling activities. Semiaccurate also claims that
Nvidia tried to "shakedown" Apple with the same patents and Apple subsequently gave the contract for the Mac Pro GPU to AMD as punishment.
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Is nvidia using patents on commonplace patents to get a piece of the pie they are jealous the don't have. Or are these legitimate patents and said companies are willfully stealing technology?
Keep in mind my next purchases for video cards and cell phones will depend on the answer..
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Still, talking out of your ass is quite impressive. I haven't seen that since 1994 [wikipedia.org].
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Sounds like a bunch of retarded mongoloid nvidia fanbois begrudgingly agree with me as AC's. The idea of a shader model is nothing new boys and girls....... If I stampted it into a peice of metal and used a flywheel with a needle to read the algorithm in. It wouldn't exactly be innovation now would it? Maybe artistic. But hardly innovative.
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This isn't patent trolling. nVidia literally invented the GPU and much shader technology back in the 1990s. A lot of graphic stuff now considered basic was developed and patented by nVidia.
These are probably legitimate patents that other companies are using without a license. One of the reasons that Intel graphics technology is still far behind is that they are coming late to the graphics game and have a patent minefield to avoid. It looks like Qualcomm and Samsung decided to ignore the minefield and h
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Much of what they do would never have been possible to implement in software, because it would take a billion years to complete the operations. Therefore, nobody wrote software to do what Nvidia does in hardware.
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I don't know if the patents legitimate or not. They could be legitimate (ie approved by some patent office and not yet invalidated by a court) and still be bad patents. But a high-profile IT company that starts filing patent law suits can only mean one thing, the company has peaked and is on its way down. So maybe you should start looking for your graphic card and cellphones elsewhere? (AMD suing Intel is a different thing, since it concerns Intel's supposed monopolistic business practices.)
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Actually there is another thing it could mean. It could mean somebody is violating their patents. Had that possibility not occured to you?
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Is it really? I see nVidia heading giving better performance per watt for a reasonable cost (Maxwell) while AMD has power-hungry, heat-dissipating GPUs that are only useful for the "uber-gamer" who wants 5% more performance at the cost of three times the power and twice the price.
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And in mobile, Nvidia has the fastest graphics operations. Just look at the Shield.
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Would it be possible to see laptop and desktop class PowerVR GPUs in the future? Would a PowerVR be a better choice for something like the Macbook Air or a Mac nano the size of an Apple TV?
This is not patent trolling. (Score:3)
nVidia holds a lot of patents in the fields of graphics technology - it is a major player in this field and to date has a large market share in the desktop amd mobile GPU market. This is absolutely no patent trolling.
It's just the usual insane patent wars among major players in technology. I highly doubt this will go to court. There will just be a quiet agreement among the parties involved before this escalates too much.
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The fact that it isn't a pure Troll doesn't mean it isn't trollling. We can neither accept these at face value nor dismiss them out of hand. It's something that actually requires a little thought and analysis.
Certainly the "moron on the street" standard should not apply here.
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No. It doesn't require any thought actually. The problem with your statement stems from your lack of understanding of the term "Patent Troll [wikipedia.org]."
Trying to get bought out? (Score:2)
Suing the companies that might be able to buy y
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As per usual,
hum, i call bullshit on this (Score:2, Informative)
Henry Gouraud invented computer graphics shading 70's :https://www.google.com/patents/US8760454
1. Pixar Renderman 1988 Shading rendering, Programmable Shaders using cpu
2. Unified Shader by ATI
3. multithreaded parallel processing By INTEL http://www.google.ca/patents/USRE41849
4. Programmable Shaders Nvidia http://www.google.com/patents/US6664963 This one is questionable since it was done in software before gpu's
All these things were conceptualized in the 60's, 70's, 80's.
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Re:Here come the Samsung fanboys... (Score:4, Informative)
Similar deal with Exynos (Samsung's SOC) since it licenses the IP involved directly from ARM and Imagination Technologies (Mali and PowerVR GPUs respectively). Unless Samsung's legal team is collectively idiots and/or assholes, they should be protected by their upstream licensing agreements.
Then again, NV is never going to sue ARM because they would be in a seriously shitty position to renew *their* ARM licenses (if ARM didn't just terminate them on the spot) and then ARM would laugh all the way to the bank about who isn't shipping products.
Based on that, it's my opinion that Samsung shouldn't be involved in this lawsuit and Nvidia just pulled them in because that's where the money is.
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You need to brush up on your understanding of patent law - people and entities merely using infringing items most certainly can be sued...
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That only applies where the patent owner is the one selling the item, which is not what we are talking about here - check out the following line from that Wikipedia article:
See the emphasis I have added.
Where a patented item is being sold by a third party to another third party, no exhaustion of rights exists - both parties
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The difference between this case and Quanta v. LG (2008) [wikipedia.org] is that Qualcomm didn't have a patent license to sell their part. Even if Samsung is not practicing the patent itself, they might still
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Yes, if Qualcomm negotiated for past use, Samsung would be protected from suit.
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And thats where your idea of this business starts to unravel. Without the drivers, it could be that the Snapdragon does not violate any of those patents, any more than a bare Intel CPU violates the Amazon 1-click patent. And the same could be true for the software - w
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However, if Qualcomm sells Samsung a part without licenses and separately licenses/sells/supports the driver software without licenses (I am dangerously assuming Samsung didn't write their own), conditionally saying the driver cannot be used with the part because that would be in violation of the patent, then Samsung uses them together and distributes it, why would not Qualcomm go to town on Samsung in the spirit of cove
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Some of the devices are powered by Samsung's Exynos chips, so Samsung probably stepped on the patents there. That's what I got out of it. Remember that Samsung doesn't just use other people's stuff--they do a lot of their own manufacturing when it suits them.
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