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German Intelligence Spying On Allies, Recorded Kerry, Clinton, and Kofi Annan 170

cold fjord writes: According to Foreign Policy, "The revelation that Germany spies on Turkey, a NATO member, should dispel any notion that spying on allies violates the unwritten rules of international espionage. ... For nearly a year, the extent of NSA surveillance on German leaders ... has drawn stern rebuke from the German political and media establishment. ... Merkel went so far as to publicly oust the CIA station chief in Berlin. 'Spying among friends is not at all acceptable,' Merkel said. ... [C]alls made by Secretary of State John Kerry and former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton were accidentally recorded. ... 'It's a kind of delightful revelation given the fact that the Germans have been on their high horse.' Christian Whiton, a former ... State Department senior advisor, added that the report on German spying is a perfect example of why rifts over intelligence among allies should be handled quietly and privately." The Wall Street Journal adds, "Cem Özdemir, the head of the Green party and a leading German politician of Turkish descent, told Spiegel Online it would be 'irresponsible' for German spies not to target Turkey given its location as a transit country for Islamic State militants from Europe." Further details at Spiegel Online and The Wall Street Journal."
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German Intelligence Spying On Allies, Recorded Kerry, Clinton, and Kofi Annan

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  • No surprise here (Score:5, Interesting)

    by dreamchaser ( 49529 ) on Tuesday August 19, 2014 @03:32PM (#47705825) Homepage Journal

    Anyone who thought that Germany's protests over surveillance was anything other than hypocritical bullshit is an idiot. All countries spy on all other countries. They always have and they always will.

  • by Rosco P. Coltrane ( 209368 ) on Tuesday August 19, 2014 @04:00PM (#47706127)

    'Spying among friends is not at all acceptable,' Merkel said

    And I doubt very much Turkey is a true friend of Germany: it's a economical, immigration and to a certain extent, religious threat to Germany - or at least perceived as such by a sizeable part of the German population. It's also a liability, as it's capable of singlehandedly dragging Germany into the huge Iraqi and middle-eastern quagmire if it starts to get involved and calls on NATO members to provide help.

    Turkey just happens to be a member of NATO like Germany, is all. That doesn't make the two friends.

  • Re:Turkey, ha! (Score:5, Interesting)

    by swb ( 14022 ) on Tuesday August 19, 2014 @04:40PM (#47706553)

    Your explanation is extreme, but Turkey is very much a wild card in the current scheme of things.

    Erdogan's Islamist politics alone make Western powers nervous after years of dependable pro-Western/anti-Islamist governments, enforced as needed by the Turkish military.

    Throw in Turkey's desire to play a leadership role in the Middle East coupled with the fact that what we call "the Middle East" was basically territory of the Ottoman Empire through about the end of the 19th century and it's not hard to see the guys who move around chess pieces on maps get a little curious as to what's happening there.

  • by gtall ( 79522 ) on Tuesday August 19, 2014 @04:52PM (#47706665)

    Yep, after Western sanctions on Putin's Russia, Turkey recently announced they were going to make trade deals with Russia to make up for what the sanctions were stopping.

    I think in the past, Turkey was a real member of NATO. Now, they are not really and Erdogan is creating another theocracy. In 10 years, there will be no democracy left in Turkey and no reason to keep Turkey in NATO.

  • Re:Bottom line... (Score:1, Interesting)

    by hsthompson69 ( 1674722 ) on Tuesday August 19, 2014 @09:32PM (#47708729)

    In democracy they are not meant to rule, they are meant to lead, they are meant represent the voice of the people.

    It's funny - proponents of democracy seem to believe that the masses cannot possibly be mistaken in their choices of leaders, but once those leaders are chosen, the masses cannot possibly be trusted to their own devices and must have policies and rules and regulations dictated to them by their infallible leaders.

    I guess I've got no problem with the voice of the people as long as it's not imposed on individuals who may dissent.

"I don't believe in sweeping social change being manifested by one person, unless he has an atomic weapon." -- Howard Chaykin