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Online, You're Being Watched At All Times; Act Accordingly. 299

An anonymous reader writes "Kaspersky Lab's Internet security expert Costin Raiu discusses internet surveillance claims that you should assume that you're being watched at all times. The article reports that Raiu conducts his online activities under the assumption that his movements are being monitored by government hackers. Raiu: 'I operate under the principle that my computer is owned by at least three governments' ... 'this is not meant as a scare tactic, but a rather as a statement of fact that should now be the default setting for everyone.'"
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Online, You're Being Watched At All Times; Act Accordingly.

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  • by Anonymous Coward on Sunday February 09, 2014 @08:01PM (#46206277)

    If everyone is evil, they have nobody to zero in on.

  • A Perfect Defense (Score:5, Insightful)

    by Jim Sadler ( 3430529 ) on Sunday February 09, 2014 @08:05PM (#46206313)
    Anyone accused of using a computer for illegal purposes now has a perfect defense. After all if credentialed experts believe that computers are controlled by the numerous people of several governments then there has to be hard proof that the doer was the one who took those actions on his PC.
  • by fisted ( 2295862 ) on Sunday February 09, 2014 @08:06PM (#46206335)
    mod parent up. i'm outa here, see ya in a week (or not). -logs out
  • Re:Dear NSA (Score:3, Insightful)

    by Anonymous Coward on Sunday February 09, 2014 @08:08PM (#46206349)

    You miss the point. It does not MATTER if you are "important" or not. Seriously consider the implications of a total surveillance state.

  • lurk moar (Score:2, Insightful)

    by Anonymous Coward on Sunday February 09, 2014 @08:14PM (#46206383)

    fuck beta

  • Re:Dear NSA (Score:5, Insightful)

    by Dunbal ( 464142 ) * on Sunday February 09, 2014 @08:19PM (#46206407)
    Exactly. It's not the fact that you may or may not be watched right now, it's the fact that everything you do and say can and will be used against you in the future whenever it's convenient, politically or otherwise. I keep quoting this, maybe one day people will actually realize what it means: "If you give me six lines written by the hand of the most honest of men, I will find something in them which will hang him." --Richelieu
  • by dreamchaser ( 49529 ) on Sunday February 09, 2014 @08:23PM (#46206431) Homepage Journal

    Any security expert will tell you to assume that any system you are using, even your own, is compromised, whether it is or not and regardless of whatever steps have been taken to secure it.

    Source: I get paid tons of money to provide security consulting.

  • by rts008 ( 812749 ) on Sunday February 09, 2014 @08:29PM (#46206477) Journal

    I've always treated 'online' the same as postcards.
    Anything else was/is naive, and this was apparent to anyone that actually understood networks, and 'online'.

    Where the problem stems from, is 'security solutions' being added in after the fact. It(the internet) was touted as 'the Information Highway' for a was.
    It was never touted as 'the Secure Information Highway', and when commercialization hit the 'Information Highway', that did not change.

    This subject(internet security) is the poster child of unintended consequences.

    There are ways of doing business/secure transactions with networks, but it seems no one wants to spend the effort or $$ required to do so.
    Until that attitude changes, this kind of 'news' will be a regular, ongoing event. Convenience will trump security anytime money is involved...look at history for supporting evidence.

  • by Charliemopps ( 1157495 ) on Sunday February 09, 2014 @08:30PM (#46206479)

    Anecdotal evidence is usually not all that useful. Real statistics are more reliable: http://chart.av-comparatives.o... []

  • by deconfliction ( 3458895 ) on Sunday February 09, 2014 @08:36PM (#46206513)

    Actually, I like Beta.

    In all fairness, there are some things I like about beta, and some things I don't. I think the animosity is stemming from the apparent inflexibility on the idea of maintaining classic as an alternative indefinitely for those who prefer it. And perhaps for not fixing some things (aforementioned via direct linked historical comment) that could use fixing before deploying it on all (or even 25% of) users.

  • by rueger ( 210566 ) on Sunday February 09, 2014 @08:50PM (#46206583) Homepage
    by emmagsachs (1024119) Alter Relationship on Sunday February 09, 2014 @12:58PM(#46205013) [] I have visited this website on a near-daily basis for over a decade. I have greatly benefited from its community, whether +5 Insightful or -1 Troll. It thus saddens me to watch Slashdot be changed into a bland, cookie-cutter news site, a la the present incarnations of Engadget and Digg. I am perhaps in the minority in this, but I kindly urge you to read this post, and others like it, and to consider joining the week-long Slashcott [] that begins on Feb 10th. I realize that posting off-topic comments such as this is disrupting the Slashdot experience for many of you, and I do apologize for it. But can you honestly say that the new Beta interface does not already disrupt Slashdot for all of us? These anti-Beta posts can quite rightly be viewed as "a series of shock slogans and mindless token tantrums", to borrow a phrase, but since we feel that we are ignored by Dice, this is the best that I, like many other slashdotters, could come up with.

    What company directs 25% of its users to a partially-working, not-ready-for-production website? Please realize that Beta will not have the features that we want, because they interfere with Dice's plans for Slashdot. Dice presents Slashdot to their advertisers as a "Social Media for B2B Technology" [] platform. B2B - that's the reason Beta looks like a generic wordpress-based news site. To be sure, a large precentage of Slashdotters work in IT, but Slashdot is most certainly not a B2B site.

    Nevertheless, Dice is desperate to make money off of Slashdot, even at the cost of losing much of its current userbase. Turning Slashdot into a social platform for IT "decision makers" is a Haily Mary attempt to recoup the failed investment Dice made in buying Slashdot. As they have revealed in a press release [] detailing their performance in 2013, this acquisition has not lived up to their financial expectations:

    Slashdot Media was acquired to provide content and services that are important to technology professionals in their everyday work lives and to leverage that reach into the global technology community benefiting user engagement on the site. The expected benefits have started to be realized at However, advertising revenue has declined over the past year and there is no improvement expected in the future financial performance of Slashdot Media's underlying advertising business. Therefore, $7.2 million of intangible assets and $6.3 million of goodwill related to Slashdot Media were reduced to zero.

    The new Beta interface is not the result of a superficial makeover. Keeping in mind that Dice felt confident enough to present it as the new face of Slashdot to 25% of its visitors, it is safe to say that the new commenting and moderation system is exactly how they intended it to be. It is a new design that deliberately cripples the one thing that makes Slashdot what it is today, viz. thebest commenting and moderation system online today. From the users' perspective, there is nothing wrong with Slashdot that demands gutting its foundations and dumping the one part of Slashdot we exactly like. As others have commented, this is an attempt to monetize /. at any any cost [], and its users be damned. Dice views its users, the ones who create the site [], as a passive audience. As such, it is interchangeable with its intended B2B crowd. We, the current users of Slashdot, are an obstacle in Dice's way.

    This is why they ignore the detailed feedback we have given them in the months since Beta was first revealed. This is also why they now disregard our grievances and complaints. Their claims of hearing us are a deliberate snow job. It is only pretense, since at the same time they openly admit that Classic will be cancelled soon []:

    "Most importantly, we want
  • by davecb ( 6526 ) <> on Sunday February 09, 2014 @08:51PM (#46206585) Homepage Journal

    This is a standard trope in every epic novel from middle-earth to outer space: the bad guys want you to hunker down. To hell with that!

    Smiert Spionam!

  • by Anonymous Coward on Sunday February 09, 2014 @08:52PM (#46206599)

    Anyone accused of using a computer for illegal purposes now has a perfect defense. After all if credentialed experts believe that computers are controlled by the numerous people of several governments then there has to be hard proof that the doer was the one who took those actions on his PC.

    You would have to have a terminal case of Asperger's syndrome to believe that any judge or jury would even bother to consider the above without overwhelming corroborating evidence.

    PROTIP: Unlike a compiler, people can tell when you're BSing them.

  • by Anonymous Coward on Sunday February 09, 2014 @09:25PM (#46206775)

    This is a free (as in beer) service

    Well when you go pissing in the free beer, what the fuck do you expect to happen?

    The 'Oh but it's free!" bullshit excuse for fucking up something that's perfectly fine if left alone is way over-used, and elicits no sympathy from me.

    Fuck Beta.

  • If governmental institutions have the ability to retain the data indefinitely, and you have no way of knowing whether or not you're one of the ones being actively watched, is there a significant difference?
  • by kheldan ( 1460303 ) on Sunday February 09, 2014 @10:15PM (#46206997) Journal
    Turn off computer. Call and cancel internet service. Spend internet money on more books to read. /thread
  • Re:Fuck Beta (Score:2, Insightful)

    by buswolley ( 591500 ) on Sunday February 09, 2014 @11:01PM (#46207239) Journal
    Beta is a government spying prevention program....Who could stand to look at people comments on the Beta site?

    FuckBeta. LongLiveAlpha.

  • by stackOVFL ( 1791898 ) on Sunday February 09, 2014 @11:33PM (#46207409)
    Guess I'll join you. See ya /.
  • Re:Dear NSA (Score:5, Insightful)

    by c0lo ( 1497653 ) on Sunday February 09, 2014 @11:54PM (#46207517)

    You miss the point. It does not MATTER if you are "important" or not.
    Seriously consider the implications of a total surveillance state.

    As someone that grew under a totalitarian regime in Eastern Europe, I can tell you it's ugly like hell.
    It doesn't matter that:
    * then, you wouldn't know if the other person would snitch on you; and...
    * now you wouldn't know if the computer/phone of the other's person or the ones you own/use would snitch on you (might as well add the nowadays almost ubiquitous CCTV-es to equations, possibly all equipped tomorrow with microphones);
    in time - quite quickly - the entire fabric of society evolves to "by default, don't trust anyone".
    Can you imagine a life where, no matter what you do, you need to use "steganography" (even when talking face-to-face)? Well, this is how it is in a total surveillance state.

    What are the consequences, you ask? The most immediate and with the highest impact:
    * one is likely to spend enormous amount of effort in balancing between "getting a message across" and "flying under the radar" (expressing the message in an innocuous way).
    * the sense of community is broken down (can't build meaningful relations while in a permanent "don't trust" state of mind)
    Even letting aside the economy mismanagement, the two above alone would be just enough to explain why the former "communist" regimes failed: too much effort wasted in "being paranoid" by everybody and too less "organic social efficiency".

  • by EzInKy ( 115248 ) on Monday February 10, 2014 @02:39AM (#46208105)

    Most of those who don't give a rats ass about the changes don't participate in slashdot discussions. They just pretend that they understand nerds and tech and whatnot. Also I guess I should point out that I am not "hiding" behind an anonymous posting even though I have the best posts are usually from those wishing to hide their identity.

    Seriously, why does Dice have to be the death of Slashdot? Can't the powers that be find a way to monitize an assest without comprimising that which makes this site worth visiting? I blame all those who don't browse the site at -1.

Logic is the chastity belt of the mind!