RIAA Targets 21 Sites For Shutdown 140
New submitter souperfly writes "The Inquirer has a list of 21 sites that the RIAA is looking to get shut down by ISPs this week. The list includes sites filestube, Bomb-Mp3, Mp3skull, Bitsnoop, Extratorrent, Torrenthound, Torrentreactor and Monova, and at least one ISP — Virgin Media in the UK — has confirmed the number of targeted sites. BT confirmed it will block the site, but didn't say when. Before, it was thought that only six sites were lined up for a chop."
Dear Anonymous (Score:5, Funny)
Please, find a violation on RIAA.org and get them shut down. I'm begging you.
Re:Dear Anonymous (Score:5, Funny)
Re:Dear Anonymous (Score:4, Informative)
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I agree except the part about "American". Anonymous are not restricted to only being an army for the good of the American public. and clearly the *AA groups are detrimental to all nations' publics.
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Then let them and the RIAA destroy each other. At that point, it's win-win if your characterization is correct.
Re:Dear Anonymous (Score:5, Informative)
As Jefferson said:
We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and Lulz.
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+1 would read again
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In my opinion all the below have been for good, in particular operation Tunisia.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Tunisia [wikipedia.org]
http://www.examiner.com/article/anonymous-exposes-pedophile-ring-hacks-lolita-city [examiner.com]
http://www.salon.com/2013/10/02/anonymous_vs_scientology_partner/ [salon.com]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Payback#Operation_Avenge_Assange [wikipedia.org]
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/12/17/westboro-baptist-church-hacked-anonymous-protest-newtown-shooting-victims-funerals_n_2315070.html [huffingtonpost.com]
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Given a choice between the survival of Anonymous, and any of the *AA groups - my thumbs up goes to Anonymous. Any organization that represents corporate interests over citizen's rights will get the thumbs down from me. I'm pretty neutral regarding Anonymous - they do as much or more good than they do bad. None of the *AA groups can claim the same.
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Why would an amalgamation of anonymous people from all over the world care about a specific country's public?
IFPI and MPA (Score:2)
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Well, I'll certainly agree to that.
Re:Dear Anonymous (Score:4, Interesting)
It would seem you have the wrong idea about "Anonymous". Anyone can be "Anonymous", you can be "Anonymous". All that happens is you choose to do an act of protest and rather than doing it in your name, you do in under the banner of "Anonymous". Your choice of protest, what you are protesting and how you are protesting it, is entirely your own. Whether you choose to act on your own or in association with others is entirely you and their choice. Just remember to have fun while doing and take precautions. Safe protesting is like safe sex, taking precautions to prevent, diseases like government and corporate persecution twisted into corrupt prosecution (where the penalty is a "FAILED" extended court case but your are imprisoned for the duration anyhow).
You want action, then you take action, either alone or in groups but please practice safe protesting.
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How does that disagree with what I said? That sounds exactly like an amalgamation of anonymous people from all over the place.
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Then they won't do shit about it, because the story comes from the UK.
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it would be beneficial to the american public if the riaa and mpaa would go fuck themselves.
Corporations can only reproduce asexually so, that probably wouldn't be all that good for us.
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it would be beneficial to the american public if the riaa and mpaa would go fuck themselves.
Corporations can only reproduce asexually so, that probably wouldn't be all that good for us.
But they do fsck each other all the time!
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I always expect Anonymous.
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Re:Dear Anonymous (Score:5, Interesting)
You can only get the extravagant fines for copyright infringement if you've registered your copyright with the Library of Congress (which involves paying a fee and sending them a copy of the work). If the copyright isn't registered, the owner can only claim damages suffered. So when the RIAA "steals" artwork or text from a random web artist/author, worst case they have to pay what they would've paid if they had licensed it, best case they're not caught and they pay nothing.
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The registration fee is $35.
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Re:Dear Anonymous (Score:4, Insightful)
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That's a file system design problem (Score:2)
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Well, the process is probably not without a fair measure of bureaucracy. I guess that is why most people do not bother to do it. And I am not sure you can copyright in bulk like this without publishing a book with them or something.
I just registered Nobots a month or so ago, and registered two software programs in 1984. It's quick and painless; in 1984 there was paper you had to write the copyright office to get but the forms were easy to fill out. Today you just go to copyright.gov and do it online, it's a
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Solandri: You can only get the extravagant fines for copyright infringement if you've registered your copyright with the Library of Congress (which involves paying a fee and sending them a copy of the work). If the copyright isn't registered, the owner can only claim damages suffered.
Evidently we can't file suit at all without registering with the LoC first -- though this is the first I've heard of it despite having read a hell of a loton the matter as a writer over the past couple of decades. From the USCopyright Office FAQ [copyright.gov]:
Copyright exists from the moment the work is created. You will have to register, however, if you wish to bring a lawsuit for infringement of a U.S. work. See Circular 1, Copyright Basics, section “Copyright Registration [copyright.gov].”
Ihaven't seen anything related to the kind/sum of fines involved in the suit based on registration status. IIRC, all infringement suits are supposed to focus on loss of income ("damages"), with the US law originally written to target companies/individuals selling
Thanks for the list (Score:5, Insightful)
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And all will have due process (Score:5, Insightful)
And all these sites will have due process rights and a day in court before any of thier sites or livelyhoods are ruined... Oh wait a minute....
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No, they will just fine them 100,000$ per song and 2 million per movie, plus 50,000$ punitive damages for each .torrent found.
(after seizing the servers located in other countries that is)
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Mob rule is the fall back when a republic is usurped by an aristocratic elite.
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Hint, hint...
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If you'll kindly read the article, you'll find out that doesn't actually seem to matter to these clowns.
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Shutting down Virgin Media? (Score:3)
I thought for a moment this was going to be more interesting. "But you can't shut down our ISP, how will we connect to the internet?" "We don't care. Virgin Media has been used for copyright infringement and must be eliminated from the face of the earth. Our business model requires it, and we all know that the well-being of the music industry overrides all other concerns."
Re:Shutting down Virgin Media? (Score:4, Interesting)
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If a mutual fund formed for the express purpose of buying out the music industry and releasing their entire catalogs to the public domain, I'd buy. True, the share value of the fund might tank once they achieve 50% ownership and the power to force the release of all the music, but share value wouldn't be the point of it. It might also not tank, to the vast surprise of the old guard predicting doom.
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Really easy not to do business with Riaa. (Score:1)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_RIAA_member_labels
I no longer do.
Sharing cassette tapes in my day was how we learned of new music.
Notice the sansui g 8000-35000 are in storage not the living room.
We shared listening experience Who cares the crap mp3 on someones ipod no one.
Music publishers (Score:2)
The RIAA can kiss my ass (Score:2, Informative)
They stole from Canadian artists and are suing people who pirate albums from Canadian artists, against the will of said artists.
Re:The RIAA can kiss my ass (Score:4, Informative)
They steal from US artists, too. Never believe them when they say they're doing something for the sake of the artists. The artists never see any of that money (bar one or two out of a thousand or so). They drive more artists into debt than they make wealthy. And by debt I mean they get them to sign a contract allowing the company to promote the artist as they choose, and commiting the artist to pay for it, and when the promotion costs more than (by *their* accounting) they bring in, the send the artists a hefty bill. And every time they've been reviewed by an external auditor (it's rarely possible to force this) they've been found to be under counting the profits.
You are, on the average, better off if you never sign anything they offer you. The exceptions occur, but they are so rare as to be an anomoly.
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Well yeah, but they literally stole from the Canadians. There was an article awhile back about the (Canadian-equivalent?) RIAA making compilation albums and saying "we'll pay you guys later" and then never doing so.
Bitsnoop, Torrenthound and Torrenreactor (Score:1)
These have been high-quality torrent sites. I'd be outraged to see them go.
One less reason to like 'murika >:(
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Please don't dislike us because of these skidmarks - there's plenty of other reasons you might dislike us for that we actually have control over.
thanks for the list of 21 sites!! (Score:3)
Yeah, that was nice, don't tell us what all is affected.
(MP3Skull will be no big loss, never saw a downloadable file ever.)
And I'm betting if KAT was on the list we'd hear about it.
"This is not even my final form" (Score:3)
RIAA still exists? (Score:2)
Didn't Apple (mostly) kill music DRM by proving that people will buy digital music if it isn't a major pain in the ass to purchase, store, recover, or access? Hasn't the rise of streaming services like Pandora, Rdio and Spotify places the final nails in RIAA's coffin?
Isn't the lack of live, streaming NFL and NBA games cable and satellite's last hope for DRM laced video? More and more people prefer NOT to sit with a bunch of self absorbed phone addicts in a dark theater to watch a crappy movie.
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Maybe if the movie theater owners did more to make the experience better, more people would go to the theater.
Why cant theaters just have conditions of entry that tell people that use of mobile phones in the theater is prohibited (along with recording devices, alcohol, glass bottles, metal cans and hot food). Anyone who violates the conditions of entry gets ejected from the theater.
Here in Australia, all theaters I have been to have such rules (and they usually have a message right at the start saying "plea
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Maybe if the movie theater owners did more to make the experience better, more people would go to the theater.
Might I direct your attention to Cinepolis [cinepolisusa.com]
Tickets are a bit more pricey, just under $20 a seat ... but it's a leather recliner, with plenty of elbow room. Some are positioned in pairs for couples, with small tables for ACTUAL food and drinks (to include beer and wine) delivered to your seat, at the push of a button.
It's the only way I watch movies these days. Totally worth it
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If its clearly spelled out in the conditions of entry and with a message at the start of the show and people still use their phones, the theater owners would then have the right to kick the phone abusers out (since a movie theater is private property)
An opportunity! (Score:4, Insightful)
This is good news. The torrent server panorama was getting stale and complacent.
Cheers to the new players! Live short and bright lives!
Call the bulls by the names (Score:2)
Re:what the flying fuck? (Score:5, Insightful)
And, ah, yes, iTunes, AmazonMP3 are just terrible market failures that prove no one still pays for music.
Re:what the flying fuck? (Score:5, Insightful)
Well, kinda. Music sales are way down, even including MP3s. What is booming is streaming. Most music is shit, or at least not worth 50p to own, so people just stream it instead of owning it. Streaming doesn't make as much money as sales.
The other worrying thing is that apparently streaming and MP3 are good enough quality for most people. The music industry was rather hoping that there would be a market for higher quality than CD, in the form of SACD an DVD-Audio. It's their own fault really, modern music (even re-releases of old stuff) is so heavily compressed and distorted that there really isn't any point trying for higher quality recordings.
Protip record labels, if you want to sell more discs. The last two I bought were re-issues of ones I already owned but properly mastered. The only people still buying your warez care about sound quality. Everyone else listens for free on YouTube or the radio.
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The music industry was rather hoping that there would be a market for higher quality than CD, in the form of SACD an DVD-Audio.
Don't forget the Blu-ray album [bbc.co.uk] reported the other week. To me, it just smacks of trying to get rid of music which is portable; let's all go back to strapping hulking disc (or, god forbid, cassette) players to our belts with bags of the relevant storage medium on our backs. Not that I think this so-called hi-def audio is a bad idea, just the execution of it..
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There's no substitute for a hard copy (well, a copy I have on a device where *I* control the bits), even if only to retain it if they stop serving it up.
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Protip to corporations: if you want to sell stuff, you need to have a middle class to buy it, which means you can't horde your funds or merely cycle them among the already wealthy.
"trickle down economics" works as well as "bottom up economics", but really what we need is "middle to middle economics", in which the majority of the population earn similar amounts.
Somehow, every system we build, no matter how new and updated, an aristocracy forms at the top of the power structure and attempts to rule the masses
Re:what the flying fuck? (Score:5, Interesting)
I'm glad the whip and buggy industries were not as organized as today's IP industries.
Also, I find it insulting that Mr. Turkewitz considers shared music illegitimate by default. What music I have released, and most of my friends have released, was free and distribution was encouraged. In fact, my first release was on ocremix.org, where all the music is free and torrents of their content are an encouraged distribution method. I'm sure glad this RIAA shill has set us straight and made it clear how illegitimate our free community-minded distribution of our works is. Sure wouldn't want to encourage that kind of illegitimate "online music marketplace."
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Indeed. I, too, make music and release it for free, encouraging distribution. I have to put big disclaimers on my site saying that yes this is legal and no I am not affiliated with any RIAA record labels.
(Posting anonymously so as not to appear as a self-promotion.)
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Good on you! Keep up the good work.
And I thought I checked anon as well. I bet I anon-posted on the wrong response tab.
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Agreed. Honestly, AFAIC if you're contributing to the conversation, even a little, there's no reason not to post your own links to your own site(s). It's the "posting just to advertise" that people hate.
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Be forewarned, I had no musical training or experience at the time. My brother was in percussion at the time in high school. Here it is [ocremix.org]. My brother is DJ Goyim, I was DJ Intermodal. I really think he and I should do another collaboration now that it has been 12 years. Especially once I get some equipment and can actually record my guitar, and it would be great if he picked his drums up again. Last I saw, the entire kit was sitting in our parents' hall closet.
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Re:what the flying fuck? (Score:5, Interesting)
oh, I'm no artist. I was a post-surgical kid on Vicodin with a demo version of Fruity Loops on Win98. But I have since taken up guitar, partially inspired by that experience.
Music is not an industry. Music is practically a food group.
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Music is not an industry
I think this deserves repeating.
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Here's a glimpse into that alternate future.
http://whyswords.files.wordpress.com/2009/12/horsecar.jpg [wordpress.com]
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Doesn't even have to be free music. If I own a CD and I lend it to a friend, or share it with a friend when they come to visit, or I make a copy for my phone or computer, that's perfectly legitimate.
Eventually ocremix.org will get sued (Score:2)
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You are obviously poorly educated, my friend. Let me help you with a basic concept. Any activity which fails to enrich either an American corporation, or the wealthiest 1%, or both, is by default "illegitimate". Your purpose in life is to help to amass more fortunes for those who already have more money than they can ever hope to spend. If you are not fulfilling that purpose, then you are illegitimate.
Check your sarcasm meter - the above is sarcasm because I have posted it. Had a RIAA rep posted it, th
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Also, I find it insulting that Mr. Turkewitz considers shared music illegitimate by default.
It's in his best interests -- YOU are his competition. You are the biggest threat to the RIAA -- you, the independent. Do you really think the RIAA gives a shit if I give you a copy of a Metallica album? But if I give Joe Blow a copy of your album, he might like it and buy another of your albums, leaving Joe with less money to buy an RIAA album with.
As Doctorow says, nobody ever went broke from piracy but many artist
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Oh, on this we certainly agree, I was imply remarking on the potentially libellous nature of referring to file sharing as a whole as if it were illegitimate until proven otherwise. Innocent until proven guilty is the basic premise of criminal law in the United States, even if people have bastardized that over the past 200 or so years.
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Oh, on this we certainly agree,
I was sure of that, I just needed to beat my dead horse again, that lazy bastard...
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It doesn't have to pose a major threat; every lost sale is a lost sale. I haven't given them a dime in years, and I don't "pirate" their product.
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You do not have the right to dictate changes to a society so that it fits your business model better.
So, how about the bills before Congress authorizing more H1B's? American companies should be able to hire the best talent to compete in the global economy, right?
Oh sorry... it's only someone else's business model that needs to adapt to the changing times. When it's our personal business model that's at stake, then it's, like, personal.
Re:what the flying fuck? (Score:5, Insightful)
H1Bs are an underclass. That's the real problem with H1Bs.
If someone is important enough and their skills important enough that you want to drag them half way across the planet then treat them like a real person and give them a green card or even instant citizenship.
No republic should tolerate the creation of an underclass. It's a threat to the liberties of everyone. It's also ultimately bad for business since the bottom line is entangled with individual liberty.
Also, the idea that corporations can poach talent from across the planet is also unequal. If they can do that then we should likewise be able to do the same (work where the cost of living is cheap).
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Also, the idea that corporations can poach talent from across the planet is also unequal. If they can do that then we should likewise be able to do the same (work where the cost of living is cheap).
Isn't that what work visas or outright immigration are for?
Aside from that, one country letting businesses import underpaid labor (via H1B or unreported illegal immigration)to keep wages artificially low shouldn't force all other countries outside that arrangement to do the same. After watching the damage that approach has caused California over the last few decades, I wouldn't wish it on another country's citizens unless they were truly vile individuals.
FWIW, the above is due to anger at the socioeconomic
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+1!
You've characterized the slashdot reader very well. They are libertarian as long as their jobs are safe and their lifestyle is not threatened. They want no government interference whether it's job market or drug ban. But put THEM in a market, start evaluating options for replacing them, they become protectionist!
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That would mean anything if I, or the people being discussed, had anything to do with Congress or H1Bs.
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Fuck off and die in a fire. You do not have the right to dictate changes to a society so that it fits your business model better.
Easy there cowboy, no need to get angry. None of the sites they I'd ever heard of before today, and I pirate the everloving fuck out of anything stamped as owned by the British Emp--er, RIAA. Now if you'll excuse me, I need to go dump some more of their junk in the river while dressed like one of the village people...
As long as they maintain this level of incompetence, piracy will live on forever.
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For a second there, I thought he was describing RIAA.
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Remember when it was England who used to tell Americans what to do?
Re:what the flying fuck? (Score:4, Funny)
Vaguely. I seem to remember lots of violence being the result, incidentally.
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Theif? I produce!
And yes, it does indeed suck a whole bag of dicks. The page title is not sarcasm. 99% of what is actually on my webserver is not globally visible and indexing does not work. It's a glorified dropbox. Sure, I used to have a blog - but it went away when I got sick of fighting with security vulnerabilities and realized I didn't really have much to say on it. I put things on it, then link to them [draeath.net]. See? That's you, right there!
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You might take your own advice. Perfectly valid, if you read in the missing "a" before "Shutdown" that is commonly dropped in headlines.
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You're reading it wrong. [slashdot.org]
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The courts issued a order. That's about the ultimate legal requirement to do something.
And the ISP's did protest at first and fought the first orders in court. They failed, and appealed. The court still issued the orders. Since then, the ISP's have a legal requirement to carry out the orders.
The ISP's have done everything they can and did not want to co-operate. And there's some dubious legal theory going on (for a start, the "big six" ISP's are the only ones that are required to block things, while an
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So all we have to do is found a bunch of other ISPs but keep their number of customers just barely below the No. 6 position? :)