Call Yourself a Hacker, Lose Your 4th Amendment Rights 488
An anonymous reader writes "As described on the DigitalBond blog, a security researcher was subjected to a court ordered search in which a lack of pre-notification was premised on his self description as a 'hacker.' From the court order, 'The tipping point for the Court comes from evidence that the defendants – in their own words – are hackers. By labeling themselves this way, they have essentially announced that they have the necessary computer skills and intent to simultaneously release the code publicly and conceal their role in that act.'"
Meh, too alarmist (Score:2, Informative)
In short, this isn't a "violation of the 4th amendment" so much as it is an excuse to try and get access to the guy's hard drive and recover stolen assets.
And yes, I do believe he stole the code.
Wrong definition (Score:4, Informative)
Full court decision (Score:5, Informative)
Re:Stallman would have something to say about this (Score:3, Informative)
please tell me this is some attempt at sarcasm, and you aren't actually that ignorant?
Many states (such as the one I reside in) specifically ban the registration of firearms in their state constitution.
Re:Stallman would have something to say about this (Score:4, Informative)
Re:Stallman would have something to say about this (Score:5, Informative)
Someone find out where this judge is; let's put his name here
B. Lynn Winmill
Chief Judge
United States District Court
Re:Stallman would have something to say about this (Score:5, Informative)
Re:Not American (Score:4, Informative)
Re:Stallman would have something to say about this (Score:4, Informative)
The USA - By which I mean federal regulations, not individual states - Has absolutely no registration requirement for any small arms (non select-fire and less than or equal to
It also has no mandatory waiting period, no mandatory background check (that restriction applies to a particular class of dealers, not to buyers), no ammunition capacity limits... And, the law by default allows both concealed and open carry.
Seven states (most of them pretty obvious) have registration requirements for all guns. Another seven have registration requirements for just pistols. All but two have requirements for concealed carry, but that applies to the person, not the guns. A whopping 33 states, however, allow relatively uninhibited open carry, with another 10 allowing licensed open carry. So realistically, in most of the US, you don't need to carry concealed, you can literally walk around with a rifle slung across your back and a holster on your hip.
Re:Wait, what? I'm a unicorn, arrest me? (Score:5, Informative)
Bullshit. Read the damn article.
The guy is being sued by his former employer, who claims he took their code and plans to offer it as open source (copyright infringement). The plaintiff contends that there is crucial evidence on the defendants computer. The court ordered (as is usual in such cases) that an image be made of the defendants computer in order to preserve any evidence that is there. The computer is to be returned to the defendant as soon as the image is made, in the same condition as before the computer was taken. Nobody can look at the image until further court orders allow it.
So where does 'being a hacker' enter the picture? The plaintiff asked the court for a temporary restraining order without notification to the defendant. The courts rules state that a temporary restraining order can only be granted if there are specific facts that show irreperable harm will occur before the opposing party can present his position in court. In this case, the plaintiff is claiming that the defendant will have the ability to destroy the evidence before the plaintiff can present their case. The court used the 'we are hackers' statement as evidence that the defendant probably had the means and knowledge to destroy the evidence. Thus, the restraining order was granted.
It is not a criminal case. No 4th amendment rights were violated.
Re:Stallman would have something to say about this (Score:3, Informative)
This argument will, of course, go nowhere because we both have a preferred interpretation of the 2nd amendment, but I at least have both grammar and history on my side. But the "fucking amendment"only refers to a "well regulated militia", not "a well-regulated firearm". More importantly, you have chosen the wrong definition of "regulated" to make that phrase better fit your worldview. Hint: Think "oil", not "laws".
Re:Stallman would have something to say about this (Score:5, Informative)
You might have a point if that were the only basis for the decision. The basis of the restraining order was to prevent irreparable harm based on likelihood to succeed with a claim, and that case was well made.
Here's the judge's info, it's right at the bottom of the court order where someone who read it would expect to find it, next to his signature. I doubt it will have the effect you wanted, because this is a decent decision.
B. Lynn Winmill
Chief Judge
United States District Court
The only real counterargument would be to point to https://github.com/visdom/ [github.com] which has the open source version, and was registered July of this year. Surely they could just look at the code and see if there was infringement? No, the evidence on the hard drive will be captured and stored pending further developments in the trial. The Court was preserving evidence which would most likely show that any copying was more than incidental.
This was the unquestionably correct decision, and the slashdot headline and summary are woefully oversimplifying in order to cash in on outrage. I hope you have disabled advertising, because Dice should be embarrassed that shit like this end up on the front page, and should certainly not profit from page views.
Direct quotes from the decision follow. Note: this guy worked at the company he is accused of copying from, so access to the original Sophia code is not in question, only whether it was used as a reference.