Report: Fisker Automotive Sold To Hong Kong Billionaire Richard Li 35
cartechboy writes "It looks like an investor group led by Hong Kong tycoon (and early Fisker investor) Richard Li is the likely winner of a government loan owed by Fisker Automotive, the dormant maker of plug-in hybrid sports cars. Buying the loan would allow Li to try and restructure the company even as it's still at risk for bankruptcy. The originally company won a $529 million government loan in 2009, took venture capital investment, and created a lot of buzz around its flagship car, the $100,000 Karma plug-in hybrid. But the company had delays launching the car, struggled financially and has not built any cars since July of 2012. Is Li the new savior?"
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One of the big problems Karma had was getting reliable suppliers for their parts, they didn't have the presence to get what they wanted
Another big problem: People shelling out $100K for a car want something fast and obscene that won't burst into flames upon getting a bit damp. [carbuzz.com]
At least Ferrari can pull off 2 out of 3.
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Getting a bit damp, huh? That sounds bad! Let's read.
"Sixteen Karmas and one Toyota Prius plug-in caught fire separately while parked in the port terminal in Newark after being completely submerged under saltwater as a result of the storm. These were a small fraction of the 330 total Karmas parked in the port, to say nothing of the more than 2,000 Prius plug-ins, but it was still only plug-in vehicles which caught fire."
Liar.
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Exactly. A Ferrari 458 will only burst into flames [bbc.co.uk] when it's warm and dry, because they used flammable adhesives.
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A bit damp? Try drenched with salt water, enough to submerge them. That'll ruin any number of cars, as people who bought salvaged vehicles after hurricanes often learned to their sorrow.
And it was a short-circuit in a standard 12V battery, which could have happened with gas vehicles too.
As reasons not to buy a model of vehicle go, that's not a good one. Unless you're living in the universe of Jabberjaw, and need a submersible to travel around with your band and freak mutant shark.
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Then there were the images of brand new Fisker cars in port [jalopnik.com] after Hurricane Sandy did its thing.
Sure it wasn't the lithium-ion batteries that caused it (it was a short on the 12V system) to catc
Is it better for all of them to lose their jobs? (Score:3)
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Think of it like a statement in computer language.
try && restructure
If the try is successful, the restructure will occur. If the try fails, the restructure will never happen.
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Buying the loan would allow Li to try and restructure the company
It's "try to restructure". I realize that you hear this a lot in spoken word, but it doesn't belong in writing.
Dang it. I would of made this same comment, but you beat me to it.
Re: Grammar alert (Score:1)
I see what you did there...
Asian Buyers Are Stepping up to luxury (Score:5, Insightful)
Look where the billionaires are piling up and those who work for them trying to emulate their status.
Look where Burberry mushroomed their sales.
Li has it right.
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Look where Burberry mushroomed their sales.
Chavs?
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Look where Burberry mushroomed their sales.
Chavs?
In my experience, chavs do seem to like cars that catch fire. If you parked in the chav zone near where I worked in the UK, there was a fair chance your car would be a burned out shell by the time you got back to it.
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So you think the US government should be handing out hundreds of millions of dollars to Finnish car companies?
Of course they'll try to micro-manage when they're handing out hundreds of millions of taxpayers' dollars.
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A system that allows this concentration of resources is a failure. We need something new.
Yeah, let's make everyone equally poor except the Commissars in their Zil limos.
Oh, hang on, this is China, they already tried that.
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Hong Kong erupts with anticipation! (Score:2)
Flaming Fiskars!
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I've seen that video. I do have to hand it to the guy, if that was my car I wouldn't still be smiling and talking enthusiastically about it. I have a Chevy Volt which as a car is a whole lot better. :)
YRO? (Score:1)
in b4 mods are trolling
Fisker failed for many reasons (Score:5, Informative)
I have some familiarity with Fisker since my father bought a Karma. When I went to test drive it the car was in some weird mode the dealer couldn't get it out of and the entire time it went "bong bong bong" while driving. While the car handled nicely it felt heavy (it weighs 5300lbs). Acceleration was OK, not great. The interior of the car was small. Despite being such a large car it is labeled as a subcompact. The battery pack running down the center of the car takes up a huge amount of space.
As for being eco-friendly the car gets 21MPG on premium gasoline and is rated at 50MPG equivalent on electricity, basically no better than a Prius on electricity and far worse on gasoline.
The touch screen on the car is an unusable piece of crap, unfortunately you are forced to use it for just about everything. Whoever designed it designed it to look cool but not to be useable in a car. The colorscheme is grey on grey and it is hard to see during the day. If the sun hits it you can't see it at all. Also if you wear polarized sunglasses you can't see the display.
The touch panel has "haptic feedback", unfortunately you can't feel it while driving. Also, it requires a fair amount of force to select something. The icons are small and you have to hit them just right, something difficult to do while driving.
I tried unsuccessfully to talk my father out of the car. The car was basically what you would expect from an early prototype, not a production level car.
They replaced the Chinese-made electric motors twice in my father's car. The steel used for the rotors was too soft and the splines broke with the original motors. Afterwards there were some slipping problems which they eventually fixed using Lock-Tite. The car has had problems with the CAN bus due to interference and my father has had to have his car towed on numerous occasions.
There have also been major problems with the generator connected to the engine. The part linking the two tends to break and it cannot handle any misfiring by the engine.
The fires were also another major setback, due to a defective fan module.
Then there was the battery fiasco. Fisker promised selling at least 15,000 Karmas and relied entirely on A123 for the battery pack. Between Fisker's failure to sell the volume they promised and the battery defect A123 ended up bankrupt.
Fisker Automotive made a number of huge mistakes. The company was run like a large Detroit auto company which they were not. They spent money like water, ordering huge numbers of components ahead of time to make something on the order of 15,000 cars. Much of the manufacturing and design was pushed out to suppliers. The drive train was made by Quantum. The touch screen and software was also farmed out. The engine was GM. Fisker was basically an integrator.
Fisker also spent money like water. They went through over 1 billion dollars without a working factory to show for it. The top brass were from Detroit and they were used to dealing with big budgets like Detroit.
I will say that the Fisker Karma is a beautiful car and the interior is quite nice despite being cramped.
I ended up buying a Tesla model S.
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The touch screen on the car is an unusable piece of crap, unfortunately you are forced to use it for just about everything. Whoever designed it designed it to look cool but not to be useable in a car.
This seems like a really bad trend in modern software/etc. The UIs are made to look cool, not to be functional. The software to control the home thermostat from my phone insists on running full screen, which means that using my password manager is a pain since the status bar is obscured (yes, there are hacks to get around this, but they shouldn't be necessary - really the only things that should consider being full screen are media apps). Cars have fancy touchscreens for functions that would be better ac