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Google Engineer Wins NSA Award, Then Says NSA Should Be Abolished 297

First time accepted submitter MetalliQaZ writes "Last week, Dr. Joseph Bonneau learned that he had won the NSA's first annual "Science of Security (SoS) Competition." The competition, which aims to honor the best 'scientific papers about national security' as a way to strengthen NSA collaboration with researchers in academia, honored Bonneau for his paper on the nature of passwords. And how did Bonneau respond to being honored by the NSA? By expressing, in an honest and bittersweet blog post, his revulsion at what the NSA has become: 'Simply put, I don't think a free society is compatible with an organisation like the NSA in its current form.'"
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Google Engineer Wins NSA Award, Then Says NSA Should Be Abolished

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  • Bonneau's paper (Score:5, Informative)

    by hobarrera ( 2008506 ) on Sunday July 28, 2013 @09:05AM (#44405607) Homepage

    The paper in question is available here [] in case anybody is interested why the NSA granted him the award.

  • Re:Don't forget (Score:5, Informative)

    by thaylin ( 555395 ) on Sunday July 28, 2013 @09:25AM (#44405671)
    You have no clue the difference do you?

    1.Google first is not spying on you. Partly because you actually know what they are doing, and spying requires secrecy, and google will tell you what they are doing.

    2. Google cannot ruin your life like the NSA can.

    3. You have no idea who collects more data.

  • by Anonymous Coward on Sunday July 28, 2013 @09:35AM (#44405713)

    As per the congressional investigations into what we knew before Pearl Harbor -- and as per records in any public library before the 2001 reclassification act, AND testified to by the fact that some of the volumes and some of the pages are new, AND also to be confirmed by librarians that the substitutions did occur, followed by a failed lawsuit...

    the US government, including the president, KNEW when, what, and where on Pearl Harbor ahead of time, but the president of the United States wanted to pressure Americans into accepting the war.

    I call BS on your post, and further I call NSA slashtroturfing.

    As of this point, NSA reclassification is being used against US citizens, for the benefit of the NSA.

  • by Anonymous Coward on Sunday July 28, 2013 @09:40AM (#44405751)

    "Absolute Power Corrupting Absolutely" in the long-haul. There is a reason that old adage exists you know... it usually comes true, and history's FULL of examples of it & if you keep reading? You'll see WHERE I got that idea, and from whom (an expert in the field, without a doubt).

    I.E.-> You put that much power in anyone's hands, sooner or later, it goes to their heads, & they abuse it (not sure I'd be "above it" either myself - 1 'bad day' & poof - you've got Caligula!).

    I figure it this way: When the ONLY guy foreign dignitaries often will talk to since he has honor and is trustworthy says this [] it's spot-on.

    Lastly - this fellow? I'd put his intelligence FAR above politicians, and I will go with the insights of intelligent folks every time vs. the less intelligent. How about you?

    No - I suspect that YOU are 1 of those getting "fat & happy" off of this somehow, hence your statement. Defunding the NSA would "upset your applecart" - the powers that be WANT to keep the status quo.


    Heck - transparently simple: They're ALL wealthy men (including our politicians the puppets of the REAL controllers) getting wealthier is why & at OUR expense as taxpayers. Are they doing a good job? Please, lol... HELL NO! Look @ the economy, the US credit rating, etc./et al!

    I can think of MANY WAYS to spend that money more wisely, to greater efficacy/ROI & for the greater good & I am no "genius" or economist either (then neither is our "rule of law" (secret law/secret courts, wtf - they're civil servants NOT masters, nothing more)!

    It doesn't take one to fix our main problem: The economy. Instead of building war machines, build jobs. Be "good government" for real, & do "laissez faire" but, as good government say "Ok, fine - but we're going to tax your profit gains on offshoring, hit you with a fine too - you'll stop: It will defeat your 'raison d'etre' as business: Profit". Do right by the MAJORITY of your constituents instead of only yourselves & those that TRULY control "the best politicians money can REALLY buy", for real.

    Plus - Who the hell made us the "policeman (gestapo) of the planet anyhow? Why are we sticking our noses into others' lives overseas when we have issues @ home to fix?? Oh, we KNOW who (the real puppeteers/war profiteers is who that REALLY run things - the infamous 1% is who!).


    P.S.=> Nobody in their RIGHT MIND likes this stuff going on, period. Nobody That is, unless they too are part of the "good ole' boy" network getting fat, rich & happy from it on NO BID CONTRACTS (halliburton) - they won't bitch @ all, while the rest of us get unions busted, jobs offshored, and seeing these "brainiacs" (not) fuck the economy up spending on bullshit like this used against us, and spent on NO WMDs FOUND WARS (false pretense to go after someone who had something you want, or crossed the "powers that be").


    1.) Clapper & Alexander outright LIED to congress (twisting words using DIRECTLY! Well, might as well be, using directed multigraph discrete math work & NARUS devices set @ the "choke point" nexus of communique.

    2.) Just like how they CLAIM there is no easy CENTRAL way to query their own mail but they do it to everyone else - I found that hilarious & disgusting, since mail is really DBMail and to select/insert/update/delete into those, you NEED to have abilities for that... What they told us, unless someone can show me otherwise, is total bullshit. Hypocritical bullshit). I.E.-> We can do it to you, but nobody can to us @ the NSA... that's bullshit.

    3.) Screwing with protesters was from the FEEBS []

  • by Anonymous Coward on Sunday July 28, 2013 @10:11AM (#44405923)

    IRS scandal? Did you even read how that ended up?

  • Re:Don't forget (Score:4, Informative)

    by segin ( 883667 ) <> on Sunday July 28, 2013 @10:14AM (#44405953) Homepage

    It's not difficult; The concern is that these government organizations are blantantly, deliberately, and willing violating said law(s), and going ahead with mass spying on the public.

    At least Google tell you up front that they're going to collect data on you in some form or another.. At no point do they ever state otherwise.

    With the CIA and NSA, all we have is some dodged questions and weak promises that they're actually holding up to the letter of the law. We have no way to properly audit them to ensure that they're actually in compliance, and their [] congressional [] admissions [] are rather concerning that they in all likelihood aren't.

  • Re:Bonneau's paper (Score:3, Informative)

    by BSDstef ( 263739 ) <stef.srevel@org> on Sunday July 28, 2013 @10:33AM (#44406075) Homepage

    First line of the Abstract:

    We report on the largest corpus of user-chosen passwords ever studied, consisting of anonymized password histograms representing almost 70 million Yahoo! users, [...]

  • Re:Politicians .... (Score:5, Informative)

    by ak3ldama ( 554026 ) < minus city> on Sunday July 28, 2013 @11:20AM (#44406333) Homepage Journal
    And from an article with Wyden, Obama's innaction: []

    But although President Obama agreed with Wyden that FISA Court opinions needed to be made public in 2009, not one single opinion has been published since then, and the surveillance state has only grown larger.

  • Re:Don't forget (Score:5, Informative)

    by sjames ( 1099 ) on Sunday July 28, 2013 @11:57AM (#44406551) Homepage Journal

    4. Google doesn't spend your tax dollars tracking you.

    5. You can tell Google to buzz off if you want.

  • Re: Don't forget (Score:4, Informative)

    by 0111 1110 ( 518466 ) on Sunday July 28, 2013 @01:07PM (#44407001)

    Does google analytics need javascript to work? I never whitelist it in noscript.

  • Re: Don't forget (Score:5, Informative)

    by Phizital1ty ( 1755648 ) on Sunday July 28, 2013 @01:13PM (#44407039)

The trouble with the rat-race is that even if you win, you're still a rat. -- Lily Tomlin