Hockey Sticks Among Carry-On Items TSA Has Cleared For Planes 276
coondoggie writes "As of April 25th the Transportation Security Administration will let a bunch of previously prohibited items such as small pocket knives and what it calls 'novelty' or toy bats to be taken on aircraft as carry-ons. The idea the agency said was to let Transportation Security Officers better focus their efforts on spotting higher-threat items such as explosives and guns."
we're nerds (Score:2, Funny)
Let us know when they change their policy on light sabers.
Re:we're nerds (Score:5, Insightful)
If you can't tell them "This is not the lightsaber you are looking for." and make it it stick... you don't deserve to carry a lightsaber.
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Forget light sabers, I want to know where the "Hockey Stick" is on the list of my favorite polearm [slashdot.org]?
where do you store it? (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:where do you store it? (Score:4, Informative)
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It would get checked at the gate, just like any other large item. So it still wouldn't be brought onboard a plane. All this is is an attempt to deflect some of the criticism of the TSA as security theater
Perhaps, BUT consider this. If they do allow items such as "small pocket knives" etc. I think this is just a prelude to another (likely staged) "incident" that they will parade throughout the media proclaiming "See, we are needed. See, there is danger. See, you need to increase our budget and take more citizen rights away. Do it. Do it NOW!"
You know you want to.
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It won't fit under the seat in front of you or the overhead bin.
A hockey stick certainly would fit in an overhead bin, at least on any aircraft larger than the Embraer/CRJ types used by commuter and express operators.
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It won't fit under the seat in front of you or the overhead bin.
The flight attendants would take it and store it with the suits. They'd hand it back as you disembarked.
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You could just get a lock with the little TSA identifier on it. They have keys for those.
The last time I used one of those TSA locks the "key" was a pair of pliers and they took the zipper pulls off with it.
I guess that's OK (Score:5, Funny)
Re:I guess that's OK (Score:5, Funny)
The international organization for flight standards (ICAO), that the TSA is now coming into alignment with, is based in Montreal. The hockey stick thing makes sense now, eh?
Of course, I'm now afraid that if a couple of passengers got into a fight, a hockey game might break out.
Why not actually secure airports? (Score:5, Interesting)
Let me get this straight (Score:5, Insightful)
The TSA is now allowing the actual types of things used on 9/11, but still banning shampoo and bottled water?
If there is ONE THING the TSA should ban is small knives (not that I agree with that), since they are now allowing those shouldn't they just admit they shouldn't need to exist?
Re:Let me get this straight (Score:4)
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Bummer, my Letherman is still banned. I feel naked without it. I cant open most small electronics packaging without tools.
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If you take a look they still ban small knives, just not super tiny toy swiss army knife style ones that people forget are on their keychains.
The other day I was digging around in my coat pocket and came across a matchbook that I had gotten at Papadeaux in Dallas probably 4 years ago. That got me to wondering how many airplanes I have been on since then with that in my coat pocket. I should count myself lucky not to have a TSA agent permanently lodged in my rectum at this point.
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Matches are allowed, Lighters are not.
From my time in the Army.:
On the charter plane my unit was taking all of us had our issued weapons. M4, M249, 240B, etc. They took our lighters away from us because it was against federal flight regulations.
Re:Let me get this straight (Score:5, Funny)
Matches are allowed, Lighters are not.
From my time in the Army.:
On the charter plane my unit was taking all of us had our issued weapons. M4, M249, 240B, etc. They took our lighters away from us because it was against federal flight regulations.
This happened to me too. The TSA guy says "take off your shoes" and i replied "Dude im holding an M16". Then... took off my damn shoes 0.o
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Lighters are not
Incorrect.
Lighters are permitted, just not torch-style, which makes lighting my cigars a little more tricky.
Re:Let me get this straight (Score:5, Funny)
Lighters are not
Incorrect.
Lighters are permitted, just not torch-style, which makes lighting my cigars a little more tricky.
Tricky? My dear fellow, either type of lighter is perfectly adequate for setting a hundred dollar bill alight, from which all proper gentlemen light their cigars.
Berkshire Hathaway stock certificates also work well, though I've heard that the uncouth 99.99%er rabble find the practice "obscene." Jeeves is quite adept at tossing them off the clubhouse grounds in short order, so I couldn't say for certain.
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Anyone who burns money to light their cigar is just demonstrating they still belong in the 99%.
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Not to mention my double edged razor blades.
I mean, come on, terrorist don't shave!
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Uh, no.
The real threat isn't another 9/11-type event. They can no longer hijack an airplane with a box cutter, even if the plane is filled with nothing but girl scouts and smurfs. They will be dead before you reach the ground, mission unaccomplished. At worst, one or two people will be stabbed. No one is going to cooperate with these guys for fear of their own lives, because in they will be dead anyway.
But there is still the threat of someone sneaking a bomb on board to kill all passengers and destroy the a
Re:Let me get this straight (Score:4, Interesting)
I still remember them making me put an empty clear plastic bottle through the x-ray machine. I love having a water bottle, and my solution is to finish it and then go through the line with it and refill on the other side and not have to pay 2-3$ for a drink on the other side. I was in line, had it in my hand and din't think about it and the lady stopped me at the medal detector and told me i had to put it through the x-ray. Again, they made me x-ray an empty, clear plastic bottle. I was just a bit perplexed.
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Re:Let me get this straight (Score:4, Informative)
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Re:We got bigger problems (Score:4, Insightful)
I may be wrong, but I think that problem was partially solved.
Remember, for at least 20 years, passengers had been instructed over and over to just cooperate with hijackers. The plane that went down in Pennsylvania, diverted from it's intended target, is proof that the conditioning can be broken.
All we need to do, is to stop being victims. Fight back, and win or lose, you won't be a hostage.
That's great... (Score:5, Funny)
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Re:That's great... (Score:5, Funny)
Lacrosse sticks are seriously deadly weapons, but that is mostly becasue they are carried by lacrosse players. Those guys are crazy.
Canada! (Score:5, Funny)
Damn it, now Canadians will be hijacking our planes.
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Or worse, Harry Dresden.
(the TV version, not the book version)
Re:Canada! (Score:4, Funny)
Don't worry, just ask them nicely and I'm sure they'll apologize and give them right back.
Better Luggage Handling (Score:5, Insightful)
Let's face it. The reason people drag all of their worldly possessions with them as carry-on is because we don't trust the baggage handlers to not destroy/steal/lose our stuff. I see this every time I fly. People don't actually want to lug a 49.9 lb wheeled bag onto the plane and then try to find/lift/get help to put it in an overhead compartment.
The carry-on problem is being caused by the baggage problem. If you solve the baggage problem, TSA security would be checking small handbags or pocket change not hockey sticks, LAN party servers, thirty pairs of shoes, etc.
Oh, and charging people for checked bags is making the problem worse, not better. What is it about the airline industry that has made every decision maker involved utterly stupid? The only aspect of air travel I can think of that doesn't operate in a wrong-headed way are the mechanics who keep the planes from falling out of the sky.
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Re:Better Luggage Handling (Score:5, Funny)
The only aspect of air travel I can think of that doesn't operate in a wrong-headed way are the mechanics who keep the planes from falling out of the sky.
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Do your self a favor and don't look into that one too much.
Re:Better Luggage Packing (Score:4, Informative)
And why are people dragging all of their worldly possessions on a 3-day trip to Ft. Lauderdale? Pack better, and you will see a lot of these problems disappear. I've worked on the ramp several years, and most of the times that I've seen bags damaged/lost (lost as in won't make your flight) is because they are so overpacked or packed lopsided that they fall off a tug, get stuck under other bags weighing 65lbs, or just burst open. It seems like in most cases the bags that are the most overpacked are also bags that are 10 years old, ripped, and have one or both handles broken off. If people didn't overpack as much as they do, things would not be as bad as they are. Also, it seems like most people like to buy these bags that have all these unnecessary buckles, straps, and knobs that get caught on literally everything. The doors and floors of the cargoholds are in most cases not smooth. There are screws sticking up, edges of panels are raised up, and the door designs of MD-88/90/DC-9s are so poorly designed that zippers and other random parts are bound to get stuck and snap off. The best suitcase to buy is one of the harder, plastic 4 wheel spinners, as they are the least likely to get caught, and I don't think I've ever seen broken handles on them. But all of these cheap, flimsy cloth bags with little to no structural support? Of course they're going to get broken, they are made as cheap as possible. And steal stuff? We're lucky if we have 40 minutes to offload 100 bags and put 100 bags back on to a plane. Ignoring the fact that most baggage handlers would never steal stuff, they wouldn't even have the time to steal stuff if they wanted to. Purchase suitcases wisely, use common sense when packing (you dont need 7 outfits and 5 pairs of shoes for a weekend trip ladies, sorry), and your bags will last longer and all your stuff will be waiting for you when you land.
Oh, and for the love of god, if you buy a puppy from an out of state breeder, drive over there and pick your dog up yourself. Those things get terrified when they get stuck in a cargo hold for 5 hours.
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And why are people dragging all of their worldly possessions on a 3-day trip to Ft. Lauderdale?
Because you can't go out without having a full makeup case. And what do you do if the weather changes? Are you beaching in the day, and going out at night? Changing clothes every day? 6 sets of clothes (means 12 pair of shoes for women), full bathroom case, and whatever "extras" someone feels comfortable with.
Oh, and for the love of god, if you buy a puppy from an out of state breeder, drive over there and pick your dog up yourself. Those things get terrified when they get stuck in a cargo hold for 5 hours.
But they love the trunk for 16 hours?
And steal stuff? We're lucky if we have 40 minutes to offload 100 bags and put 100 bags back on to a plane. Ignoring the fact that most baggage handlers would never steal stuff, they wouldn't even have the time to steal stuff if they wanted to.
Funny, between dropping my bags off and the plane opening for the 100 bags in 10 minutes, they sit somewhere for 2+ hours, often coming home with a "you've been
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And for the record, my GF DOES need 7 outfits and 5 pairs of shoes for a weekend trip and god help you if you ever suggest otherwise to her face. (I speak from experience.)
Let me know the next time you fly, and I'll steal your gf's whip for you ;)
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What is it about the airline industry that has made every decision maker involved utterly stupid?
I suppose, the desire to eke out a profit in what is now a highly competitive pricing environment. But I agree the nickle and dime-ing is annoying. They never ask me what I think of their ideas when they come up with stupid shit. They tell me to shut up and fly the plane.
The only aspect of air travel I can think of that doesn't operate in a wrong-headed way are the mechanics who keep the planes from falling out of the sky.
From my perspective (and the view is terrific), I always thought I did a pretty good job of keeping the plane from falling out of the sky, though I must admit I've had a few hard landings.
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Totally correct, and thanks for replying. I was thinking of the airline industry exclusive of the actual flying of the plane. I have nothing but praise for the pilots and for that matter the air traffic controllers. I can remember a time when it wasn't uncommon to circle an airport for 20 minutes before landing. That just never happens now.
Re: Hard landings. Landed in Las Vegas on Sunday and actually bounced. First time for me. No complains though, no way in hell I could do it...
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Nope. Until airlines starting charging for baggage a few years back, finding room in the overhead bins was generally pretty easy outside of major business travel routes or high travel volume destinations/times.
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I think it's just baggage fees in the US that are the problem. People carrying insane amounts of carry on baggage and the whole "get on the plane early so you can get a spot for all your stuff in the overhead lockers" rigmarole is unique to the US - I'd never seen anything like it before I travelled in the US.
Here in Australia airlines still include at least one checked bag as part of the ticket price. It's always been that way. Not for the discount airlines admittedly (Tiger, Jetstar), but they only have a
This works great until Canadian terrorist hijack.. (Score:2)
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And then, like maple syrup, Canada's evil would ooze all over the United States.
Which would then lead to our children pledging allegiance to the maple leaf, pouring mayonnaise over everything, winter 11 months of the year, and having Anne Murray on the radio all day, every day.
Won't somebody think of the children?
Typical way of taking away freedom (Score:5, Insightful)
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Actually, I was thinking more along the lines of the liberty to take a real bottle of shampoo on an airplane, or the liberty of not having to arrive at the airport an hour or more early only to be subjected to demonstrably ineffective (and possibly, over the long term, dangerous -- although that hasn't been demonstrated because of the refusal of the TSA to perform actual testing) security theater, or the liberty of not having your toddler groped by an underpaid, undertrained, overzealous, security goon.
One
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Yeah! Like the liberty to be killed by well armed suicidal terrorists who've hijacked my airplane...
And anyone with basic knowledge of the mechanics of folding card stock could kill you by way of the little boxes of snacks they sell on the flights that used to offer meals.
Life is dangerous. Deal with it. Or not, I guess - if you're that concerned about a false sense of safety, surely you're for in-flight anesthesiologists? Passengers who are knocked out surely can't hurt anybody. Sure, you'll have to sign a disclaimer because of the risk of death - but hey, my life shouldn't be in danger because yo
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My question is... (Score:2)
The ban on knives was cosmetic at best (Score:5, Insightful)
Q: "But wait, didn't the terrorists on 9/11 use box cutters to hijack the plane? Couldn't they do it again?"
A: No. The reason that they were able to hijack the plane before, is the "rulebook" basically said to go along with the hijackers, you fly off to some other destination, there is a negotiation that drags things out, and eventually everyone leaves alive, with stories to tell their grandchildren... Only, on 9/11 they changed the "rules".
Today, it doesn't matter what kind of weapon is used to hijack the plane, the bulk of the passengers will use whatever is at hand to beat down the hijackers, because they know they are fighting for their lives now, and if you are going to die, you might as well go down swinging. Coupling this with the _1_ security measure that actually improved airline safety, putting locks on the cockpit doors (which does nothing if they don't actually lock them of course), the chance of hijacking a passenger airliner successfully is almost nil. Maybe a small puddle jumper commuter craft composed of all terrorists would be successful, but in that circumstance, they wouldn't need weapons either.
Yes, someone can still get hurt, and even killed, but you could do that with a pen/pencil or some other pointy object stabbed into the appropriate place. Now maybe someone from the UK will have a different take on this, as they seemed to fear bladed objects, as they appear to be the primary homicide weapon of choice since the general populace doesn't have access to firearms. As an American male, with military training I am not terribly afraid of knives being used to subdue a a plane full of passengers, whoever foolhardy that may be, as I believe that sheer weight of numbers would incapacitate or kill any would be hijacker in this. For most Americans, a knife is a tool, and not a weapon, and while it can be used as such, so can just about anything else, to include bricks, shoes, rocks, sharp sticks, and harsh language.
Just my $.02 worth.
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You are right. Apparently there are a lot of people fooled by the post 9/11 security theater and are complaining about this change http://edition.cnn.com/2013/03/06/travel/tsa-carry-on-changes/ [cnn.com]. These people (air marshals, flight attendants) should know better, but I guess the US government has managed to drop the average citizen IQ by about 20 units in recent years.
What is interesting is that while I have lost numerous swiss army knives and pocket screwdrivers (I always have a multi-tool with me and I ofte
Re:The ban on knives was cosmetic at best (Score:4, Informative)
Coupling this with the _1_ security measure that actually improved airline safety, putting locks on the cockpit doors (which does nothing if they don't actually lock them of course)
While I prefer hiding behind the locked Kevlar door (it's on the pushback checklist), don't forget some of us are armed with Heckler & Koch's and instructions to shoot to kill...
Re:The ban on knives was cosmetic at best (Score:4, Interesting)
I'm not sure where the comment about the UK and knives came from, or the relevance of being an American male. Your military training might help (assuming you were trained for the situation) but it's not neccessary. In Glasgow, Scotland (UK) an attempted truck-bombing of an airport ended with a baggage handler and other members of the public confronting the terrorists and kicking the crap out of them (to be fair, they were on fire at the time).
As you say, the game has changed. I don't think terrorists have a hope in hell anywhere in the Western world anymore. If I saw someone pull a knife, gun, bomb-vest in a crowded area I'd run right at them. And that's from a yellow-bellied, knife-fearing subject of her Hajesty.
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Interesting point about the way Americans mostly perceive knives as tools. Makes a lot of sense - I had to admit when I visit the US I notice a LOT of guys carry knives of some description. You would almost never see that here (Australia). Most people see them as weapons. In fact in many (if not all?) States you are simply not permitted to carry knives. For instance, in Queensland:
Weapons Act 1990 (Qld):
A person must not physically possess a knife in a public place or a school, unless the person has a reaso
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Good. Knitting is an evil activity for evil people, only crochet is worse.
The forces of good should stick to noble activities like sewing and embroidery.
Higher threat items (Score:2)
Higher threat items, like explosives and guns and 4 ounce liquid containers and shoes.
Thank goodness (Score:2)
I don't think I've ever seen a hockey stick used in a violent act. I'm surprised they banned them in the first place.
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added something to the prohibited list (Score:2)
NO HARLEM SHUFFLE!
Hmmm... (Score:2)
I think you mean the Harlem Shake [knowyourmeme.com], not The Harlem Shuffle [wikipedia.org]...
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Whoops! :)
So wife can finally bring her nail clippers? (Score:2)
Every time we go through, they take wife's clippers from her. And every time she makes a big deal about it. And after the first couple of times, daughter and I sidle away from her, whistling tunelessly and staring at the ceiling...
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My understanding is that it's the principle of the thing, with her. I admire her for that, and at the same time I really don't want to piss off TSA officials. They're probably bored and just itching for someone to screw with.
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Every time we go through, they take wife's clippers from her. And every time she makes a big deal about it. And after the first couple of times, daughter and I sidle away from her, whistling tunelessly and staring at the ceiling...
It's good your wife doesn't let people walk all over her. Don't complain.
I understand. It is the principle, with her. On the other hand, I really don't want to piss off people who can force an anal exam.
I swear this is true... The second time it happened, I waited for the drama to play out, and it continued to escalate, and then I noticed that daughter was nonchalantly shuffling away. And I'm ashamed to say, at the time that sounded like a good idea, so I started shuffling away, and we both ended up at the first slideway several yards away, and looked at each other... "Do we
Rocket launchers okay'd but toothpaste banned (Score:2, Interesting)
Speed skate blades (Score:2)
Speed skate blades have never been banned for Carry-on air travel.
[At least as far as I know - they were legal before this change.]
And if you know anything about speed-skate blades, you know they're literally RAZOR sharp 17 inch mini-swords.
They might not be as dangerous as a full-on machete, but pretty damn close.
When I heard about ice blades being fine for carry-on - I was astonished. You can't bring a razor-blade or a small knife, but 17" clap blades you could shave with? Just peachy!
The whole BS around
My pocket knife and Leatherman have blades ~ 2.5" (Score:2)
I shouldn't have to check a whole suitcase just so I can have my pocket knife or Leatherman with me when I travel. That's just silly.
The old rule was something like 3 inches, or "diagonally across the guard's badge" (convenient measuring tool, that :-). Most ordinary pocket knives fall into that category.
(and folding knives with locks are safer tools to use, resulting in fewer self-inflicted user injuries... *le sigh*)
Am I allowed to take water on yet? (Score:2)
Or any liquid in a larger than super-tiny container?
I still remember going through airport security with a leatherman on my belt and not even setting off the metal detector.
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Or any liquid in a larger than super-tiny container?
No, the water ban is beneficial to all parties (except the traveler. Oh, and the environment). Due to not being able to bring in water from outside, and most people not wanting to pay $5 for a thimble of water inside, the airlines are able to keep the weight down on their flights, resulting in a fuel savings of perhaps as much as 25 cents per flight.Over an entire year and an entire flight, this probably adds up to a small amount of folding money.
And then there are the people who do pay the $5 per thimble
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The sad thing here is I've actually been bringing an empty water bottle and filling it up past security. From the free water fountains. Sure, that's where they put the mind-control drugs, but hey.
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You know, I would kinda love to have someone who's not me try that.
No RC cars (Score:2)
hockey stick = polearm (Score:3)
About time they catch up to the airlines (Score:3)
No need to actually bring your own weapon with you - just book first-class and have the airlines hand them to you!
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I suppose that way when they lose your checked golf bag, you'll still have almost enough clubs for pitch & put.
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And putt with a pool cue.
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And through an odd technicality, English Cricket Bats were never banned.
Overheard on a recent BA flight into JFK.
English guy 1: I say old bean, what do you say to hijacking this plane before stumps.
English guy 2: Oooh yes, and we can fly it into the pavilion.
English guy 1: Smashing.
English guy 2: Jolly good.
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And through an odd technicality, English Cricket Bats were never banned.
I'd be more concerned about the Cricket stumps rather than the bat.
Stumps are basically large wooden sticks slightly less than 1 metre long and tapered to a point at one end so they can be driven into the ground. Basically they are a long stake (or a short spear).
I dare say, it seems the TSA was bowled for six.
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Just a pedantic note, but you can either be *hit* for a six, or bowled *out*, not both.
Re:Oh good (Score:4, Informative)
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Sky marshal's going to have you in the penalty box tout de suite for cracking jokes about security, hoser. Or is it "Atmosphere mounty" up your way?
Re:Sweet (Score:5, Funny)
Sky marshal's going to have you in the penalty box tout de suite for cracking jokes about security, hoser.
2:00 minutes for boarding.
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And a check into the fuselage.
Re:about time (Score:5, Interesting)
Oh please, it will be "about time" when they scrap the TSA or replace with it something much smaller, leaner, less expensive, and more effective at what it's supposed to do.
This amounts to little more than a PR move, throwing a few scraps to the plebs to make us somehow feel like 'common sense is breaking out', and it's pathetic that our standards are so low now, that we actually respond like dogs with tails wagging at this incredibly negligibly small change in the grand scheme of the TSA's operations. Will this in any significant way change the fact that they will continue to suck $8 billion a year of taxpayer money to violate the 4th amendment rights and dignity of American travellers? No? Then what is the "about time" that you refer to?
Re:about time (Score:5, Interesting)
You're on the right track.
Just disband the whole frigging Homeland Security. Put Customs back as a separate and distinct agency, ditto with Border Patrol. Screw the whole Homeland Security thing. It was bullshit when they thought it up, it's bullshit today. Janet Napolitano spends less time worrying about security, than about how to stop "piracy" and increasing corporate profits. She has her TSA agents stopping traffic on Interstate 40, in Tennessee, and shaking them down. Anyone with a thousand dollars cash is a "suspect". Anyone with an expensive car is a "suspect". Anyone who doesn't kiss the TSA agent's ass is a "suspect". I guess this an alternative for TSA agents who don't prefer fondling little children and old ladies in airports.
Disband Homeland Security, send Napolitano packing, and we can save the fifty million dollars she just wasted on uniforms.
Odd that most cops have to purchase their own uniforms, but TSA has a contract to buy uniforms for their degenerate agents.
Re:about time (Score:4, Insightful)
http://original.antiwar.com/paul/2011/10/24/tsa-releases-vipr-venom-on-tennessee-highways/ [antiwar.com]
http://news.slashdot.org/story/11/10/20/2212225/tsa-doing-random-truck-searches-on-tennessee-highway [slashdot.org]
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2011/10/25/ron-paul-calls-tsa-jack-booted-thugs-in-response-to-highway-checkpoints/ [theblaze.com]
The story was carried on a local television news segment, and in the segment, they were stopping automobiles, at random, as opposed to checking the trucks at the weigh stations. Those three links were among the first hits on a google search - there are lots more.
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Damn straight.
Idiotic airport logic used by the TSA goons ...
http://iwantsomefun.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/airport-logic-liquids-3oz-dangerous.jpg [iwantsomefun.com]
Re:about time (Score:5, Funny)
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This amounts to little more than a PR move, throwing a few scraps to the plebs to make us somehow feel like 'common sense is breaking out',
Keep the ban on toothpaste and water while re-allowing things that could obviously used as weapon is the exact opposite of 'common sense'
All chemists I've asked confirmed that this harmless liquid 1 + harmless liquid 2 = explosive does not work outside "Die Hard 3" or a well equipped laboratory or chemical plant.
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your chemists are relatvely misinformed then.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oxyliquit [wikipedia.org]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ANFO [wikipedia.org]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tannerite [wikipedia.org]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kinestik#Binary [wikipedia.org]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Binary_explosive [wikipedia.org]
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You've seen through their ruse. They're going to allow you to have all these exciting carry-ons, but then the smart people realize that those are too big anyway and can't be allowed on the plane. They will have to be gate checked. So the change in ruling has no effect, other than PR.
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