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Illinois Politician Wants a Kill Switch For Anonymous Speech Online 522

New submitter OhSoLaMeow writes with a story at The Daily Caller with unpleasant news from the Illinois state Senate, where a state senator has introduced a bill that "would require anonymous website comment posters to reveal their identities if they want to keep their comments online." From the article (warning — obnoxious ads with sound): "The bill, called the Internet Posting Removal Act, is sponsored by Illinois state Sen. Ira Silverstein. It states that a 'web site administrator upon request shall remove any comments posted on his or her web site by an anonymous poster unless the anonymous poster agrees to attach his or her name to the post and confirms that his or her IP address, legal name, and home address are accurate.'"
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Illinois Politician Wants a Kill Switch For Anonymous Speech Online

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  • by Anonymous Coward on Thursday February 21, 2013 @05:37PM (#42972461) = absolutely no one can censor (delete) anything.
    Also of-course it is anonymous (more then TOR).
    Downside: it's slow.
    But best thing we have now for truly NO CENSORSHIP, good for online anonymity.
    got 3 minutes?

    For geeks only (need patience!)

    - grab .jar (sorry, it's java)
    - java -jar thefile.jar (and -console if headless)
    - http://localhost:8888/ (from separate firefox profile, block outside-localhost access by setting invalid proxy if you want, disable java/flash if you want, JS also not needed)
    - in wizard set LOW or NORMAL security (you can't have HIGH unless you know >10 freeneters practically)
    - later, go to Freenet Message System and install it - its 100% uncensorable board (will take hour to start up, it's normal. create id, solve captchas)
    - do NOT use Freetalk (extreamly slow), but on very fast (ram/hdd=ssd) computer try Sone and WoT plugins (Twitter!)

    Greetings from anons, Johny and tgs3 see you there :)
    If questions ask us there and #freenet on irc2p and

  • Re:WTF... (Score:4, Informative)

    by medcalf ( 68293 ) on Thursday February 21, 2013 @05:38PM (#42972491) Homepage
    You should, perhaps, read the Constitution, which defines treason. It is not this. Something does not have to be the apex of bad to be bad. This is bad, and it's unconstitutional, but it is not treason.
  • Re:WTF... (Score:4, Informative)

    by msauve ( 701917 ) on Thursday February 21, 2013 @05:39PM (#42972509)
    We have this thing called a Constitution, which conveniently defines treason for us:

    Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying War against them, or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort.

  • by servognome ( 738846 ) on Thursday February 21, 2013 @05:48PM (#42972657)
    Don't do that, you'll just make somebody else's life miserable.
    Rather than go random, people should just put in:
    Ira I. Silverstein
    2951 West Devon
    Chicago, IL 60659
    (773) 743-5015
  • Re:WTF... (Score:3, Informative)

    by Anonymous Coward on Thursday February 21, 2013 @05:49PM (#42972669)

    It stems from something way pettier. Someone anonymous on the internet was mean to him, and he tried to found out who but couldn't, so now he's got this. The text also matches, nearly exactly, a proposed bill in NY that was absolutely trashed there as well. Here's an article with the texts as well.

  • Cash seizures (Score:5, Informative)

    by fyngyrz ( 762201 ) on Thursday February 21, 2013 @06:19PM (#42973075) Homepage Journal

    Cash can be subject to seizure without a warrant or other cause.

    Read it and weep. []

  • by interval1066 ( 668936 ) on Thursday February 21, 2013 @06:25PM (#42973139) Homepage Journal

    Not far left. Big mixture there.

    Chicago is notoriously democratic, and corrupt, however.

  • by HippopotamusX ( 2628523 ) on Thursday February 21, 2013 @06:53PM (#42973473)
    Senator Ira Silversteen, the man behind the bill, is the Illinois majority caucus whip - effectively third in line in the IL senate. He shared an office suite with Obama.

    They were close colleagues. This is from the New Yorker in 2010:

    As a rising politician with Ivy League connections, Obama had financial backing from all over, including from a class of young black entrepreneurs. But he has had Jewish mentors throughout his career. Philanthropists like Bettylu Saltzman, Penny Pritzker, and Lester Crown were crucial to his campaigns. His friend and neighbor the late Arnold Jacob Wolf was a rabbi. Michelle Obama’s cousin Capers C. Funnye, Jr., is the first African-American member of the Chicago Board of Rabbis and the spiritual leader of Beth Shalom, a congregation on the South Side. One of Obama’s closest colleagues in Springfield was Ira Silverstein, an Orthodox Jew, with whom he shared an office suite in the Capitol building; Obama acted as Silverstein’s shabbos goy, turning on lights and pushing elevator buttons for him on Saturdays.

    Read more: [] []

  • by lgw ( 121541 ) on Thursday February 21, 2013 @07:10PM (#42973677) Journal

    There's no debt until after a sale. A business can refuse to make a cash sale in the first place, and that's legal.

  • by Jah-Wren Ryel ( 80510 ) on Thursday February 21, 2013 @07:33PM (#42973875)

    Are there specific limitations on how much companies can accept by cash, by law?

    No, there are not. However, there are PATRIOT act rules that require them to verify your identity to prove they aren't doing business with a "terrorist." Those rules are not technically cash-only, but cash is basically the only way to make a purchase that does not also involve officially identifying yourself - so you will get that bit of hassle.

  • by Anonymous Coward on Thursday February 21, 2013 @08:08PM (#42974153)

    I don't know why anyone with any sense would allow their kids to have their real name and faces on the internet on a easy searchable place.
    It's pretty much like a pedophile menu, where he can choose the nearest kids, know where they go and what they do and do their thing easily.

  • Re:Meaningless? (Score:5, Informative)

    by Runaway1956 ( 1322357 ) on Thursday February 21, 2013 @11:09PM (#42975439) Homepage Journal

    The constitution guarantees your freedom of speech, as long as you're wiling to let the jackbooted thugs know which door you sleep behind, so that they can kick it in during the night.

    That's not quite how I read the story of the revolution, and it's not quite how I read the constitution.

A quarrel is quickly settled when deserted by one party; there is no battle unless there be two. -- Seneca