French Police Unsure Which Twin To Charge In Sexual Assaults 626
An anonymous reader writes "In a real life Prisoner's Dilemma taking place in the French city of Marseille, twin brothers have been arrested for a string of sexual assaults. While say they are sure that one of them committed the crimes (corroborated by a standard DNA test), police were told that it would cost upwards of €1m euros (£850,000, $1.3m USD) to distinguish between them using DNA evidence."
!(Prisoner's Dilemma) (Score:5, Informative)
"Prisoner's Dilemma" does not just mean "a dilemma involving prisoners"
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mind == blown!
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Yes, there is. There's just an upper bound to how much you can get here.
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If both stay silent, maybe end up with time served 'cause they can't be sure it which of you it was.
If one brother rats the other out (with convincing proof), he goes free while the other gets sentenced for all the crimes.
If both rat the other out, each gets sentenced for his actual share of the crimes.
Re:!(Prisoner's Dilemma) (Score:5, Interesting)
That is nonsense:
If both stay silent, maybe end up with time served 'cause they can't be sure it which of you it was.
You can not convict someone on that base.
Supposed I was innocent. Then according to the DNA evidence my twin did it. When he and I stay silent, they still don't know who it was. So the first paragraph of all "constitutional states": innocent until proven otherwise comes to play.
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That is nonsense:
If both stay silent, maybe end up with time served 'cause they can't be sure it which of you it was.
You can not convict someone on that base.
Supposed I was innocent. Then according to the DNA evidence my twin did it. When he and I stay silent, they still don't know who it was. So the first paragraph of all "constitutional states": innocent until proven otherwise comes to play.
I think you're right. Even in France.
So given T-(rather short)-FA, it seems like the French authorities have two choices. (1) Go to court with what they have, and in all probability both twins will go free. (2) Pony up the money for a proper DNA test and convict the twin responsible.
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I assume both twins are guilty. With ovemr a dozen cases it looks like always one was commiting a crime and the other one tried to fabricate an alibi.
Re:!(Prisoner's Dilemma) (Score:4, Insightful)
I assume both twins are guilty. With ovemr a dozen cases it looks like always one was commiting a crime and the other one tried to fabricate an alibi.
Doesn't change the solution. If both twins are guilty, a detailed DNA analysis will still be necessary to pin the correct crime to the correct twin. You don't get to be convicted just because you probably committed some of a list of crimes.
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Re:!(Prisoner's Dilemma) (Score:4, Insightful)
I assume both twins are guilty. With ovemr a dozen cases it looks like always one was commiting a crime and the other one tried to fabricate an alibi.
Doesn't change the solution. If both twins are guilty, a detailed DNA analysis will still be necessary to pin the correct crime to the correct twin. You don't get to be convicted just because you probably committed some of a list of crimes.
Do the DNA test and get the right twin. And the other one goes to jail for perjury and harboring a criminal. Seems a win-win here, and will discourage anyone else from trying this tactic.
Re:!(Prisoner's Dilemma) (Score:5, Interesting)
it doesn't matter which twin committed the sexual assault, they are both guilty. one is guilty of conspiracy because he's lying for the other, and the other is guilty of sexual assault.
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And the innocent person lacks such a right even in the US.
wait. what? here is the fifth:
No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a Grand Jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the Militia, when in actual service in time of War or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offense to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation.
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However in the U.S. it would be impossible to gain a conviction on the obstruction charge, because you still don't know which of the twins is committing the crime of obstruction. Due to the Fifth Amendment you can't very well convict someone of obstruction if he was refusing to testify against himself, and it's not possible to determine whether or not he is doing so. There's plenty of reasonable doubt.
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Only if you can first determine which twin is innocent. If they could do that, they wouldn't be in this predicament to begin with.
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If just one of the twins is guilty of the original crime, then all the other one can say is " I didn't do it." And they are both probably saying that. So what is the conspiracy? One of the twins isn't willing to lie (Oh yes, my brother did it, I saw him!)?
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So when a murder happens every person on the planet gets put into jail for a few seconds, since someone is obviously guilty?
Re:!(Prisoner's Dilemma) (Score:4, Insightful)
If both stay silent, maybe end up with time served 'cause they can't be sure it which of you it was.
Rubbish. Without proof both must be freed. There is no shared responsibility or punishment. "Unless someone owns up you all go without supper" isn't a legal principle.
Re:!(Prisoner's Dilemma) (Score:5, Insightful)
That's not justice, that's just about the complete opposite of justice. And it's one aspect of being American that I'm deeply ashamed of. There should be no incentive to plead guilty to a crime you didn't commit. The fact that, not only does it happen, but we actually have a name for it should be deeply concerning to anybody to cares about justice.
Re:!(Prisoner's Dilemma) (Score:4, Insightful)
Except the law doesn't work via compromise.
Ever heard of a plea bargain?
Not in France, no.
Re:!(Prisoner's Dilemma) (Score:5, Informative)
Ever heard of a plea bargain?
Not in France, no.
Fine, ever heard of plaider coupable.
Non. Mais, avec l'aide de l'ami Google [vie-publique.fr], je peux vous montrer quelques informations pertinentes:
Dans la pratique, cette procédure est surtout utilisée pour traiter rapidement la masse des délits routiers, comme le défaut d’assurance ou la conduite en état alcoolique, ainsi que les délits simples, comme les petits vols.
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La CRPC n’est toutefois pas applicable à certains délits ou certaines accusations particulièrement graves. Parmi ceux-ci : les violences, les menaces, les agressions sexuelles et les atteintes involontaires à l’intégrité de la personne, pour lesquelles une peine d’emprisonnement d’une durée supérieure ou égale à 5 ans est encourue.
In english translation - with the help of google, here you have some relevant information:
In practice, this procedure is mainly used to quickly treat thje majority of traffic offenses, such as lack of insurance or drunken driving, as well as simple offenses such as petty theft.
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Though, the plea bargain is not applicable to some serious offenses or allegations. Among them: violence, threats, sexual assault and involuntary damage to the integrity of the person, incurring a sentence of imprisonment for a term no less than 5 years.
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Actually the principles of the prisoners dilemma started exactly in this kind of scenario. Two prisoners, police know one them did the crime but can't charge them.
If the police actually have a lesser crime they can charge them both with and offer them a plea bargain then we are exactly in the prisoner's dilemma.
Those a big IFs though.
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Wrong, in the prisoner's dilemma both inmates are guilty. In this case however, if they both blame the other one they can still walk free because the police won't be able to tell which one of them did it.
Re:!(Prisoner's Dilemma) (Score:5, Informative)
This is the prisoner's dilemma:
Two people commit a crime.
Both are arrested, but there is no physical evidence.
They are put into separate rooms and each offered a deal:
1 year in prison for you, and 10 years for your partner, if you admit to the crime first
If either of them admits to it, they both go to jail - because they both took part in the crime. If they both stay silent, they both go free. However, each has a strong incentive to admit to the crime, because the other person might admit to it first.
In this case, however, only one person might be guilty. If that's the case, the innocent party has no incentive to rat the guilty one out. The essence of the prisoner's dilemma is lost.
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Twin A blames Twin B, Twin B keeps quiet: Twin A goes free. Twin B goes to jail.
Twin B blames Twin A, Twin A keeps quiet: Twin B goes free. Twin A goes to jail.
Wow. I didn't know our justice system worked like that. So someone accuses you, you invoke your 5th amendment right to remain silent, and you go to jail?
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Technically yes. I believe there have been 18 amendments to the current Constitution of France.
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If two unrelated people were both accused of a crime, I doubt you would consider them both guilty just because both denied their guilt. Let's assume no one is that stupid. Then what is different about this? Two things: it's a sexual crime, and both the accused are related. It's far more likely that the slashdotters jumping onto the guilt-by-association bandwagon are doing so because it's a sexual crime in nature, which tends to make people nervous, unsure of how to properly pretend to react.
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Sexual crimes are uniquely powerful in their ability to show how far a given individual is willing to short-circuit due process in order to support the conclusion they'd already reached.
Confession? (Score:2)
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I am not a French Lawyer, but I think that would be coercion.
Re:Coercion (Score:5, Insightful)
... and that's why those of us in civilised countries consider the US to have a similar legal system to the brutal Sharia law of countries like Afghanistan, Somalia and Mali, among others.
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Inshallah, you are absolutely right. Police lying to murder and rape suspects is morally and culturally equivalent to culturally sanctioned rape, communal stoning (at least they're well socialized), and honor killings. How silly of us to think otherwise. Allah ackbar!
Re:Coercion (Score:5, Informative)
... and that's why those of us in civilised countries consider the US to have a similar legal system to the brutal Sharia law of countries like Afghanistan, Somalia and Mali, among others.
There are those of us in the US who agree that the US legal/penal/justice systems are brutal, regressive, unjust, and counterproductive, and do what we can to change that, but at the same time are opposed by authoritarian-types who claim that various improvements proposed by "bleeding-heart liberals" equate to being "soft on crime." However, my state struck down the judicial death penalty a few years ago and decriminalized marijuana possession last year, so I still have hope that improvements can continue, at least at the state level.
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Re:Coercion (Score:5, Informative)
Re:Coercion (Score:5, Informative)
Whereas in the good, honest Blue States of America, we just threaten hackers for political gain until they commit suicide. Much less expensive.
Re:Coercion (Score:4, Insightful)
Not an unexpected event.... (Score:4, Insightful)
I have always wondered what would happen when this type of suspect turned up.(suspect having an identical twin)
Every set of identical twins I have known, has deliberately used the 'identity confusion' at some point.
Re:Not an unexpected event.... (Score:5, Interesting)
Identical twins isn't the interesting case. It's the conjoined twins that are the real puzzle. Suppose there are a pair of conjoined twins. One is an artist and hates computers, one is a programmer and hates art. Everybody knows this and will testify to the fact. When the artist goes to sleep, the programmer whips out a laptop and hacks into the Pentagon. He gets caught, gets arrested, and admits guilt... what are you going to do, imprison him?
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Easy. Move to a system that focuses more on rehabilitation, retraining and (when an external element is a factor) removal of external factors contributing to the criminality. You still isolate from society (the sole benefit of prison) but with reduced or eliminated punitive element, there is no risk of punishing an innocent person who happens to be cojoined to someone who is guilty.
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Identical twins isn't the interesting case. It's the conjoined twins that are the real puzzle. Suppose there are a pair of conjoined twins. One is an artist and hates computers, one is a programmer and hates art. Everybody knows this and will testify to the fact. When the artist goes to sleep, the programmer whips out a laptop and hacks into the Pentagon. He gets caught, gets arrested, and admits guilt... what are you going to do, imprison him?
imprison him in an art museum
Re:Not an unexpected event.... (Score:4, Interesting)
You don't perform just one single sequencing due to the error rate.
The best way to get the error sigma down is to run 10 or more sequences, however the money allotted only allows for 3 per sample.
I am trying to figure out how they are getting full sequencing done so cheaply.
My guess is they are willing to run less sequences and accept the higher error rate due to the smaller sample pool of suspects.
Knowing one is 70% likely while the other is 30% likely, when they already have claimed only one of these two people could possibly have done it, would likely be enough for a conviction.
Not Prisoner's Dilemma! (Score:2, Insightful)
If AC actually bothered to read the definition of the prisoner's dilemma he would have determined that this is not the same situation. Sounds good, but wrong. You have two individuals, both know who the guilty party is. The best strategy for each to play is to proclaim their innocence.
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But the innocent one doesn't know the other one did it. He doesn't even know a crime was committed. He just knows that the police are claiming one of them did it based on DNA. Unless the guy read the mind of the victim, personally collected the DNA samples and ran the tests then all the evidence he can provide are the words "I didn't do it."
Easy solution (Score:5, Funny)
Just charge the one with the goatee.
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No! Charge the snooty one.
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It's FRANCE.
They're both snooty.
Unless French wages are crazy low... (Score:5, Insightful)
While '1 million euros' is a big scary number(and certainly higher than evidence handling for more prosaic cases), it isn't exactly free to have a bunch of cops go around swabbing at evidence, a judge, some lawyers, a jury, etc. Processing a case, especially a serious criminal case, just isn't inexpensive. Given the existing acceptance of the relatively high cost of justice, it seems strange to wring hands about an abnormally high cost cropping up in an abnormal case.
Even if justice didn't demand it, it seems like it would be trivially sensible to just quietly pay what it costs to get the DNA analyzed properly, if only to deter others from trying to get cute.
Re:Unless French wages are crazy low... (Score:5, Funny)
it isn't exactly free to have a bunch of cops go around swabbing at evidence, a judge, some lawyers, a jury, etc.
I'm going to guess that neither the judge, the lawyers, nor the jury were exactly thrilled about being swabbed either.
Re:Unless French wages are crazy low... (Score:5, Insightful)
If that cost is more than the 1 million euro test, then pay for the test.
L&O: SVU has prior art (Score:3)
Saw this on an episode of Law & Order Special Victims Unit.
And they say television isn't educational...
Budget over Justice? (Score:5, Insightful)
The justice system shouldn't be haggling over price.
They have suspects they are sure that did it. They have a method of determining which one, but they are dicking around because of cost?
Unacceptable.
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The justice system shouldn't be haggling over price.
They have suspects they are sure that did it. They have a method of determining which one, but they are dicking around because of cost?
Unacceptable.
Totally unacceptable. The possibilities are:
1. Let both men go free. Assaults will continue. And the innocent brother (assuming one is innocent) will be an outcast (so will the guilty one, but he deserves it so we don't care about him).
2. Imprison both men. Also unacceptable. Even if it turned out both are guilty it still needs to be proven.
3. Do the tests. Guilty party pays costs (TFS doesn't say if they are a millionaire or not, but lets assume they are). Justice is done.
The only problem is if the
Re:Budget over Justice? (Score:4, Insightful)
Option 4.The government pays for the test and justice is served. A million bucks is not a huge amount when we are talking about government budgets.
You are right though, there is a an amount and a level of certainty where it doesn't make sense to do the test, but a million bucks to keep a serial rapist (or perhaps two) off the streets, would likely pay for itself.
What makes everyone so sure only one is guilty? (Score:3)
It's not as though it's unheard of for identical twins to have similar hobbies...
Um, is this all the evidence? (Score:3)
If it's a "string" of rapes, surely one of the brothers has an alibi for one of them, at least?
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Or IS there even a genetic test?. (Score:5, Interesting)
Will someone with a better understanding of genetics please explain how a genetic test is even possible?
My understanding is that identical twins -- arising from the same zygote -- are genetically identical. Not just "pretty much identical" as the article states.
What possible "genetic test" is being proposed that could differentiate between the brothers? Is the town being scammed?
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Will someone with a better understanding of genetics please explain how a genetic test is even possible?
My understanding is that identical twins -- arising from the same zygote -- are genetically identical. Not just "pretty much identical" as the article states.
What possible "genetic test" is being proposed that could differentiate between the brothers? Is the town being scammed?
Of course not! Modern laboratories are equipeed with new, state-of-the-art dice for such quandries.
The cost seems a little inflated, though. I could do the same test for a penny (that would luckily also cover all equipment expenses).
Re:Or IS there even a genetic test?. (Score:5, Informative)
All joking aside, though, I also got curious. And, as I went to Google College, unlike some underprivileged folks, let me share my inaccessible knowledge: http://genetics.thetech.org/ask/ask68 [thetech.org]
Re:Or IS there even a genetic test?. (Score:5, Informative)
Ah. So there is a way. Thanks for the Google Fu.
Unlike some 'other' underprivileged folks I have one of those modern "cut and paste" operating systems. :p
Here is the important bit from the above link:
"Just like our fingerprints, the environment can change our DNA too. We all build up mutations in our DNA over time. Most of these DNA changes are harmless although some can lead to diseases like cancer.
Where do these changes come from? Some come from the stuff our body does everyday. For example, we all start out with a single cell and end up with somewhere around 50 or 100 trillion cells.
The DNA in all of these cells needed to be copied (not 100 trillion times but a lot). The machinery in our cells that copies our DNA is incredibly good at what it does, but not perfect. Occasionally, it makes a mistake that is not fixed.
Our DNA also changes in response to things like sunlight or the food we eat. Both can damage the DNA causing mistakes to happen.
Coming up with a genetic test looking for these changes is going to be tough. First, these changes are pretty rare. Everyone has about 100 new mutations in their DNA. Sounds like a lot but spread out over 3 billion base pairs, that is quite a needle in a haystack."
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Actually it's worse. You see the mutations are per cell. All individual cells throughout your body are accumulating errors. That is how cancer occurs.
If the DNA sample they have is skin then they need to separate and analyze thousands of DNA signatures from cells in the exact place the scratch occurred. If the sample they have is sperm then they need to separate and get complete genomes of each of millions of sperm hoping that they get a match from a mutation in the originating germ cell.
I doubt the test is
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It really depends on the nature of the mutation. If you're trying to identify a random mutation in single differentiated cells, like you describe, then it is hopeless. But in all likelihood it would be a more general mutation shared by all or a large number of cell types that happened pre-differentiation (ie: in the germ cell).
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less than 30 seconds with google produces this:
http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=identical-twins-genes-are-not-identical [scientificamerican.com]
Re:Or IS there even a genetic test?. (Score:5, Informative)
Then your understanding is wrong, see this article [scientificamerican.com]:
Geneticist Carl Bruder of the University of Alabama at Birmingham, and his colleagues closely compared the genomes of 19 sets of adult identical twins. In some cases, one twin's DNA differed from the other's at various points on their genomes. At these sites of genetic divergence, one bore a different number of copies of the same gene, a genetic state called copy number variants.
It is generally felt that copy number variation (CNV) between MZ twins is generally post-meiosis (i.e. mitosis).
Typical police forensic genetic tests look for a "fingerprint" based on lengths of DNA when cut by particular enzymes. This is unlikely to find CNVs.
Some CNVs might be discoverable with a SNP microarray chip (not super expensive to perform), but it is possible that you may need to do a complete sequence of both twin's DNA to find the needed CNV differentiator.
Re:Or IS there even a genetic test?. (Score:4, Interesting)
I think that the price indicates they expect to run, about 20 sequencings in total, and I think that's a bit optimistic of them.
Re:Or IS there even a genetic test?. (Score:4, Informative)
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Will someone with a better understanding of genetics please explain how a genetic test is even possible?
My understanding is that identical twins -- arising from the same zygote -- are genetically identical. Not just "pretty much identical" as the article states.
What possible "genetic test" is being proposed that could differentiate between the brothers? Is the town being scammed?
Here in Massachusetts we have drug labs that can prove anything.
Re:Lock them both up (Score:5, Insightful)
How exactly is the innocent one proclaiming his innocence obstructing justice?
captcha: unproven
Re:Lock them both up (Score:5, Insightful)
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Let's say Twin A did it.
You presume that Twin B has proof of either their own innocence, or Twin A's guilt.
If Twin B does not, saying "it wasn't me" is not obstructing justice - it's telling the truth, even if Twin A tells a lie when saying the same thing.
Saying "It was him!", similarly, is of no help.
A completely dissimilar, and yet similar, situation occurred in NL a good while back; 'Nijmeegse Scooterzaak' Two kids on a moped, on the run from police, fatal accident. The prosecutor could not prove which
Re:Just do the damned test (Score:5, Insightful)
Perhaps then bill each of them for half the cost, for not cooperating.
Who says the innocent one isn't cooperating?
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2 unemployed truck drivers. Where are you going to get the money from?
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Re:Justice (Score:5, Insightful)
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In the US, the basis of the legal system is that it's better to let ten guilty men go free rather than imprison one innocent man. Of course, this is a French court so they may or may not follow a similar philosophy.
Re: Justice (Score:5, Insightful)
What system should replace the USA system of justice that jails more citizens per capita than any other western nation?
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Well, I'm not sure how France's legal systems work, but a polygraph test in the US typically doesn't fly in court anyway. Usually they use a polygraph as a means of focusing on a suspect so they can acquire other evidence.
Re:Lie Detector Test (Score:4, Insightful)
"Another would be to come up with a huge list of possible things that only the criminal would know based on the crimes and quiz them and their whereabouts at the time. Yes, you can lie,..."
Only morons talk to the police.
You don't talk to the police.
Ever!
It can only hurt you.
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That's not really the best advice, what you don't want to do is talk to the police without your attorney present. If your attorney thinks it's a good idea to answer a particular question, then you may want to do it.
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One twin may actually have a legitimate alibi (receipt) at the time of the sexual assault with verifiable proof (security cam or employee).
No he would not have. As no one vouching for the alibi will be able to distinguish the two.
In the typical confrontation situation you have 10 cops and 2 suspects in one room, and behind a glass/mirror wall the witness is asked: which number do you recognize? And now?
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Stress detectors unfortunately are prone to false positive results. If you run 1000 interviews you may have only one who lies and gets away with it but you may 'detect' 50 liars who are telling the truth.
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Re:Polygraph and interrogation (Score:4, Insightful)
Any sympathy for the innocent one? I'd sure hate to be tortured because my sibling committed a crime.
Re:Polygraph and interrogation (Score:5, Insightful)
Of course, only one of them is a rapist. A ball-peen hammer or garden sheers to the knuckles of the innocent twin evokes quite a bit more sympathy....
Re:Polygraph and interrogation (Score:5, Informative)
A ball-peen hammer or garden sheers to the knuckles works wonders
[citation required]
All the evidence I have seen indicates the opposite. Torture is a horribly ineffective means of finding the truth. In fact, throwing a coin is probably better.
If it isn't obvious why, the very simplified causation is roughly this: As torture proceeds, the goal of the victim becomes very simple: Make it end, no matter what. We KNOW that people will readily admit to crimes they did not commit under torture, including crimes that carry the death penalty. We know that people under torture reach a point where they would not only say "yes" but also thank you for it if you offered to kill them right then and there. We know that they will invent not only details of the crimes they are being questioned about, but also entirely new crimes.
We have historic evidence of people admitting crimes under torture where later investigations found conclusive evidence that they could not possible have committed them.
Torture does not work if your goal is truth.
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The "you know" part scares me. Millions of people "knew" the earth is flat. Heck, millions of people today "know" that gays are evil, women are the root of all evil, christians/muslims/jews/atheists/blacks/whites/cats are responsible for whatever.
If you can't prove it in a court of law, then how do you "know"?
Not to mention that in any civilized society, confession under torture is not admissible in court.
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Presumably, having earned an appropriate commercial vehicle operation license, and a past history of employment as a delivery driver, would be typical attributes for which someone would be termed a "delivery driver" even if currently unemployed, similar to how others might be referred to as "unemployed programmers," "unemployed engineers," etc.
Or, is the job of "delivery driver" so far below your contempt that it deserves no distinction from "unemployed bum"? I.e., are you a total elitist asshole?
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Re:Would Someone Explain This? (Score:5, Interesting)
(a) $20k to acquire both genomes, plus
(b) some computational effort to identify interesting DNA polymorphisms ($0 - $1000 ???), plus
(c) PCR'ing out and sequencing of a region of the crime-scene DNA (cheap; less than $100).
So $22k, not counting labor costs?
IAAMB (I am a molecular biologist), but not a forensic one. Maybe it just doesn't work that way. Anyone have other information?
Re:Throw in jail (Score:5, Insightful)
But what if the innocent one has no evidence, or no alibi that will stand up to prove his innocence?
Then, you're relying on the guilty one to do the right thing and confess so his brother isn't jailed. He's a rapist, do you really want to rely on his good nature?
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Throw them both in jail until one confesses. If they want to act like children they can be treated like children..
What the fuck is wrong with you?
You're suggesting putting an INNOCENT person in prison for the "crime" of either (1) truthfully denying he did it, or (2) remaining silent on advice of his lawyer when there is likely nothing he COULD say other than a useless truthful denial.
Note that there is no reason to expect that the guilty party will EVER confess.
Further note that, if the guilty party isn't confessing then you are creating a no-win scenario for the innocent party. In fact you are creating a very substan
Re:Throw in jail (Score:4, Insightful)
If you want to look for the real scum, look for those who would happily put an innocent person to death.
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I'd donate money to get an innocent man exonerated.