Amazon To Launch Sydney Data Center

schliz writes "Amazon Web Services will unveil its first Australian data centers on Tuesday, ending more than a year of speculation. The move is expected to address enterprises' data soverignty and latency concerns, although local cloud providers argue that data held by U.S. company Amazon would still be subject to the Patriot Act."

Re:Patriot Act?

[CRC'99]

Nope, its true. I used to work for a US owned company in Australia - because of US law, we had to do everything in accordance with Sarbanes–Oxley. It was a royal pain in the ass - 100% pure bureaucracy - and just about doubled the work required to do most of our tasks.

Thankfully, I'm not working there anymore - but that little glimpse into American life really, really made me glad I wasn't working in IT in the US...

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[Anonymous Coward]

It seems you have confused two completely different legal regulations. Sarbannes Oxley and the Patriot Act are two totally different things for two totally different reasons.

Re:Patriot Act?

[dbIII]

It seems you have missed the point of the example of US law applying to US operations offshore.

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[dave562]

Sounds like the legal team failed to properly setup a subsidiary.

The company I work for deals with complex legal matters. We have data center presence in Canada, APAC and Europe specifically to address the concerns of clients in those jurisdictions who do not want to be subjected to the uncertainties of the PATRIOT Act. It is possible to do it. The cloud providers are spouting FUD.

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[DNS-and-BIND]

Yeah, it's amazing how people screw up international business. It's a field all its own, and all the time I see people trying to go it alone - even successful people. Get some damn specialists even if they cost money. You'll save a bundle in the long run.

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[riflemann]

Nope, its true. I used to work for a US owned company in Australia - because of US law, we had to do everything in accordance with Sarbanes–Oxley. It was a royal pain in the ass - 100% pure bureaucracy - and just about doubled the work required to do most of our tasks.

I'm current working for a US company in Australia, and I never have to think about SOX. We automated all of the SOX stuff into the background, so day to day I work oblivious to these things.

Didn't you have automation and process improvement to do the same?

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[Anonymous Coward]

IT falls under the US patriot ACT as it is a US company and hence having a datacentre in Australia doesn't actually solve the data sovereignty issues at all as the US can seize the data from the Company.

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[AK Marc]

They should have set up an Australian subsidiary that wouldn't be beholden to any US laws.

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[AK Marc]

Yes, it would be an American asset. The US could seize it, but orders against internal workings in a foreign company are not the same thing.

International Bandwidth.

[Anonymous Coward]

Singapore or nearby would be better, our international pipes suck at the moment.

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[afgam28]

This is about as non-sensical as the Australian "president" who is a Christian and supports what he says ;)

Also, AWS already has a lot of their services avaialble in Singapore: http://aws.amazon.com/about-aws/globalinfrastructure/regional-product-services/ [amazon.com]

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[Anonymous Coward]

Contrary to popular belief, Australia's international *bandwidth* is not too bad, it's in the high 10's if not into the 100's of Gb/s in total now. Amazon already has a data centre in Singapore and services hosted there still suck. There are these things called round-trip-time and latency, which are actually much worse for the performance of interactive applications than lack of bandwidth alone. Having services hosted on continent will help out a lot, well, the eastern side anyway, Perth might still have

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[Dan541]

Placing a Datacentre in Australia will reduce the load on our international links and have no impact on domestic traffic. The exception to this would be international traffic to the centre, but that's likely to be the minority.

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[AK Marc]

The sad thing is that a single fibre pair can carry 4 Tbps over long distances (relatively standard 100 Gbps Ethernet, and 40-channel DWDM), all it takes is a little capital to set it up. The cost of buying and laying that much fibre is more than the optics.

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[AK Marc]

Off the shelf commodity parts will get you over 100 km. Beyond that, you run copper next to the fiber and evert 50 km or so, you have a powered amp, run off the electricty from the copper.

When you do it with "stupid" amps, you can upgrade 10,000 km of fiber with optics changes on both ends, and not having to touch the middle. That's standard "best practice" today. You have to work hard to get a setup that can't go 10,000 km at 4,000,000 Mbps driven from commodity optics. Well, they assume specialized o

Re:International Bandwidth.

[DeSigna]

Australia has several 10s of terabits of international capacity, of which around 2Tb (from memory) is actually "lit". There's 4 main cable systems (AJC, SCCS, PPC-1 and SeaMeWe-3), a few smaller ones to surrounding nations (JASURAUS, Gondwana-1) and a handful of multi-terabit modern ones that are barely ticking over (like Telstra Endeavour).

The growth in capacity has drawn quite a few international service providers and carriers to Aussie shores, and the resulting demand for domestic capacity has done nothing but good things for the price and availability of rack real estate and domestic transit. Our domestic providers are all pretty healthy, just waiting to see how the NBN pans out.

I can't see any problems with a big cloud provider like Amazon entering the market here. If it doesn't start forcing storage and bandwidth costs down further I'll be quite surprised.

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[rtb61]

One thing to keep in mind, it is far easier to repair the cable than it is to rebuild the data centre and it's lost data. That should be the ultimate driver of choice in where to locate the data centre. One data centre failure and you business in terms of reliability is dead.

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[DeSigna]

Consider that a lot of central phone exchanges and DCs are in the Brisbane CBD, and most kept working in early 2011 when a good chunk of the state's land area was underwater: http://forums.whirlpool.net.au/archive/1616757 [whirlpool.net.au]. The locations I've got gear (PIPE DC3, Pegasus and Fujitsu) were well out of the flood zone, being located in areas above any reasonable flood level - if they had gone underwater, there wouldn't be a Brisbane anymore.

The main drivers of DC location are cost and utility. Cost includes the

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[a.koepke]

I use AWS services in Singapore and get around 60ms ping time. iiNet, due to their takeover of Internode, have their own link in SEA-ME-WE. The ping time is about the same as to the east coast

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[snookums]

Indeed. There is a direct Perth-Singapore transit, but most East Coast-Singapore data goes via some combination of Guam, Japan, and Hong Kong, and the latency is the same or worse than to US West. I believe Internode set up some special routing via Perth for one particularly latency-sensitive application that is hosted out of Singapore for Australian customers (Starcraft II).

There's a new Perth-Singapore cable [itwire.com] due to come online next year, though I can't find any information about progress of the build. Whe

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[Dan541]

All traffic from Perth to the US or Europe passes through the eastern states. So a data centre in Sydney will be a huge improvement.

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[Lucractius]

See above comments. Your completely wrong.
Internode (now iiNet) are on the record as routing direct from Perth to Singapore via SWA-ME-WE

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[Dan541]

Ok, I need to change ISP. Currently Telstra sends all my traffic through Sydney.

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[crutchy]

that sounds more like pidgin from the pacific isles (used to be the staple labour force for working the cane farms in queensland)

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[skipkent]

I agree with you 100%.

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[crutchy]

especially about band camp... it should be illegal to shove a flute in one's pussy

There is a 100% DC Coming online soon

[cfryback]

Way down in Tasmania.

The WISP is expanding in the DC arena - http://www.tasmanet.com.au/data-centre/ [tasmanet.com.au]

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[tumutbound]

It's a pity then, that Tasmania is connected to the rest of the world via a dialup link.

Amazon Vs?

[sjwt]

Amazon is putting a DC in Australia.. not that big a deal, now wait until Blizzard puts some servers out here, I'd vote for a bloody Public Holiday.

Storms?

[aglider]

If you want to place your datacenter far from storms and floods andclose to main backbones you need to place it in the Mediterranean area. Not facing a huge ocean or below the level of the sea.
If you choose a city among Napoli, Bari or Catania, you will get fine coffee, delicious pizzas and mouthwatering sweets as a side effect. And they don't have Berlusconi any more.

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[aglider]

Earthquakes and active volcanoes in Napoli or Bari? Maybe Catania has Etna, but you clearly know little about Etna eruptions ... It'd be the same risk for Sidney, then.

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[DeSigna]

If you're worried about refreshments, see if you can convince Amazon to move the DC to Melbourne.