Penurious Penguin writes
"Last year a Slashdot story mentioned the case of Daniel David Rigmaiden, or 'the Hacker.' With the help of an IMSI-catcher device, law enforcement had been able to locate and arrest the elusive 'Hacker,' leading to U.S. v. Rigmaiden. But far more elusive than the 'Hacker,' is the IMSI-catcher device itself — particularly the legalities governing its use. The secrecy and unconstitutionality of these Man In The Middle devices, i.e. 'stingrays,' has caught some attention. The EFF and ACLU have submitted an amicus brief in the Rigmaiden case; and EPIC, after filing an FOIA request in February and receiving a grossly redacted 67 out of 25,000 (6,000 classified) pages on the "stingray" devices, has now requested a district judge expedite disclosure of all documents. Some Judges also seem wary of the 'stingray,' having expressed concerns that their use violates the Fourth Amendment; and additionally, that information explaining how the technology is used remains too obscure. Perhaps the most controversial aspect of ISMI-catchers is their several-kilometer range. When a "stingray" is used to spoof a cellphone tower, thousands of innocent users may be collaterally involved. And while the government claims to delete all gathered data unrelated to the target, it also means no one else can know what that data really was. The government claims that because only attributes of calls — but not their content — are captured in the attack, search warrants aren't necessary."
(More, below.)
Penurious Penguin continues, "The use of a pen-register (outgoing) and trap & trace (incoming) device, requires little more than a mewl of penal curiosity before a court, and no warrant or follow-up on the case is needed. The pen/trap seems unwieldy enough, as the EFF explains:"Most worrisome, we've heard some reports of the government using pen/trap taps to intercept content that should require a wiretap order: specifically, the content of SMS text messages, as well as "post-cut-through dialed digits" (digits you dial after your call is connected, like your banking PIN number, your prescription refill numbers, or your vote for American Idol).
intercept information about your Internet communications as well."
Precisely what data these "stingrays" collect will hopefully be soon revealed through such efforts as those of EPIC. It should be noted that the Stingray is one of multiple devices with the same application. The Stingray and several others are trademarks of the Harris Corporation. Some are quite pricey ($75,000), and others are, as mentioned last year by a Slashdot reader, peculiarly affordable — and available. For a more comprehensive overview of the subject, see this Wall Street Journal article."
Harris Corporation or Harrison Corporation? (Score:1, Insightful)
What the fuck is going on here? The Slashdot summary says "Harrison Corporation" near the end, but looking at the links show "Harris" as the company behind these particular devices. I mean, it says the name right in the logo in the pictures of the device, and on the document! The logo basically is the name, for Pete's sake!
I'm going to go on the assumption that the linked-to content is right, and that Harris Corporation is the correct name to be used in this case.
Penurious Penguin , you need to get your sh
Re:Harris Corporation or Harrison Corporation? (Score:5, Funny)
I have bad momentson' good ones, like some mad vacillating, deliriouson Ferrison wheel.
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"And the Slashdot editors should have caught that right away."
WHAT editors? All they do is SORT content, not edit it.
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"And the Slashdot editors should have caught that right away."
WHAT editors? All they do is SORT content, not edit it.
Objection!
Your Honor, the witness is commenting on facts not in evidence.
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But to the angry AC above, it's not a matter of "mind" -- more so, it's a cognitive issue, and I apologize for making it a problem for others. And yes, it is an IMSI catcher [wikipedia.org]. I wanted to embed a wiki url in it, but I've seen readers complain about including too many links. Regarding summaries, I don't know; try
Re:Any real links out there (Score:5, Informative)
If 'stingray' is the IMSI catcher MITM device, you can watch these from a defcon demonstration: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wjYAAmHvt-g [youtube.com]
In short, you pretend to be the cell network and pass communication through. The handsets generally don't care or warn the user, you can issue all kinds of instructions to the handsets, it doesn't take a whole lot of gear, and you're now the network before the network.
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If 'stingray' is the IMSI catcher MITM device, you can watch these from a defcon demonstration: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wjYAAmHvt-g [youtube.com]
In short, you pretend to be the cell network and pass communication through. The handsets generally don't care or warn the user, you can issue all kinds of instructions to the handsets, it doesn't take a whole lot of gear, and you're now the network before the network.
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All that is going to happen is that communications will be encrypted on the device before being transmitted. With this mode, stingray operations will intercept encrypted data.
yup... (Score:1)
yup, turnkey police state
Ubuntu releases (Score:5, Funny)
Penurious Penguin
Too late for that one...
Secret Stingray
That'll do!
Evil (Score:2, Insightful)
The government is evil.
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Ah, but being the 'lessor' evil makes it all okay.
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Actually they have :-)
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I don't believe most people in government are evil. Most people in government just want to do their job, and groupthink overtakes them such that their ethical compass points in whatever direction gets the job done. The same thing can be seen in corporations. Most people are too weak-willed to stand up for what they believe in, and become part of the machine. Is this evil? I don't think so, it is a failing of the human spirit. These people, when the shit hits the fan, may come to see the error of their ways.
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Well said. In fact, the blanket claim that some institution (company, government, etc.) is evil, takes people out of the equation, absolves them of blame, and simultaneously detracts from the fact that any solution must involve people. I think it is for that reason that freedom of speech and the use of protest actually are so important. Without such tools in the hands of the population the perpetrators (let's simply call them misguided, sloppy, and/or too caught up in their work) cannot even be made aware o
New Law: If it is redacted, it counts as illegal! (Score:1)
The only point these "redacted" things have, is to hide criminal activity.
A government has no right to keep privacy from its citizens. Just like it has no right to take privacy from them.
If they redact it, it must count as treason and result in jail until the full info is released.
Re:New Law: If it is redacted, it counts as illega (Score:5, Interesting)
Summed up as
"A government by the people and for the people should not be allowed to keep secrets from the people!" -- Me for the last 8 years.
The problem is that if it is deemed of National Security, they get to redact it. There is no punishment in place that could be applied if they remove it for national security reasons and it is later found to have been for criminal reasons. Example: the fact that a us company paid in tax payer dollars provided young boys for sexual use by Afghan Cops.
http://blogs.houstonpress.com/hairballs/2010/12/wikileaks_texas_company_helped.php [houstonpress.com]
Which was classified and thanks to WikiLeaks is now known.
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Some things need to be kept secret. For example, the identity of undercover cops infiltrating gangs. But of course, secrecy can also be abused to cover up wrong-doing.
The only way to determine whether or not something should be secret, is to look at it. So we need a third party trusted by both sides to do the looking. They need to be trusted by the government not to reveal something that really ought to be secret, and they need to be trusted by the people not to cover-up something that should be exposed.
VoIP (Score:3)
Problem solved ( for at least one side of the call.. )
Re:VoIP -- problem NOT solved (Score:3)
Re:VoIP -- problem again solved (Score:2)
TOR is the next step of escalation. The cyberwar arms race has been going on for a long time, and it's it's not just governments.
Horse (& cow) traders in the Midwest caused a surge of demand for cell phone encryption in the early 90's when news of how easily one could tap FM cell calls got out. The FCC's stand was that they were secure because listening in was illegal, even if the needed equipment was sold at Radio Shack.
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Sure, location could be gathered but that doesn't always tell you much ' he was in a Starbucks making a call ', its who you call when that is a bigger deal.
Also, i was thinking wifi, and turning off the cell radio. Harder to track that way. Plus this is all done on a throaway ( used or other cash market ) cellphone so it isnt traced back to you personally.
Assumption is that proper encryption is being used, of course if its not then all bets are off.
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I could care less if the FBI hears me telling my wife I want fuck her brains out tonight while they are investigating a drug trafficker in my neighborhood. The sooner they get him, the less they'll hear me dirty talking with my wife.
Unless they hear you talking about why you hate the government (or a particular FBI officer), of course. Your life could instantly become hell.
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THIS.
Why is it that all you idiots still parrot the "well, if you're not doing anything wrong ...". There may come a time that the government is your enemy, and I DAMNED SURE would not want to be listened in on at that point in time, so just don't ever let it happen.
Everyone's a criminal. (Score:5, Insightful)
"There are many more laws than can possibly be enforced by, or even known to, our ever-growing army of cops, judges, lawyers, and lowly citizens. This isn't an accident of the system run amok, it's the way the government WANTS it. There are at least two reasons for this:
One, the more laws there are to be broken (and the more obscure, the better ) the greater the stream of revenue from fines and violations and the more government jobs there are (cops, health inspectors, banking commissioners, etc.) in enforcing these laws and processing both the violators and the revenues.
Secondly, the fact that since there are probably 1,000 times more laws on the books than are known to the citizenry all but ensures that everyone's guilty of something. And in the government's eyes, it's good that virtually everyone is a criminal of one type or another. Here's why: Because if you ever challenge any part of the government; the Housing Department, the Board of Education, the Bureau of Licensing and Regulation, the Election Board, the DNR, the DMV, the BLM, or whatever, it'll be able to find something, maybe many things, you're guilty of.
And that, my friends, is its insurance policy against you. If you raise a stink about anything, no matter how legitimate, the full force and power of the government could be channeled into crawling up your wazoo with a microscope to find out everything you've ever done wrong and then using those transgressions to either discredit you or to bully you into staying mum about whatever gripe you've got or scandal you could expose. It's nothing but a racket. Blackmail. A seedy bastardization of the "checks and balances" system your nation's founders envisioned and engineered to protect you from governmental abuses".
http://whiskeyandgunpowder.com/everyones-a-criminal-there-ought-not-to-be-a-law/ [whiskeyandgunpowder.com]
Three felonies a day (Score:2)
How the feds target the innocents:
http://threefelonies.com/Youtoo/tabid/86/Default.aspx [threefelonies.com]
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So sayeth the person who posted AC.
Another /.'er posted a quote a while back that I've, umm, appropriated in other conversations on this topic: "Everybody poops, but it takes a very special person to do so in public." Suppose it wasn't your wife you were talking dirty to, but your mistress--or secret gay lover. Have you ever used marijuana, or taken medicines prescribed to someone else, or driven over the speed limit, or overestimated your charitable contributions come tax time, or many other laws, or indis
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Witness protection? Why? He's done nothing wrong, so obviously has nothing to hide. As long as he does right and testifies, nothing bad will happen to him because he did the right thing. Witness protection is hiding, and only people who have done something wrong have anything to hide.
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If you're not a fucking criminal then you have nothing to worry about.
I am also glad that law enforcement is made up of robots who can be trusted to never abuse private information which, while not illegal, could certainly be used to unduly influence or harm those to whom it pertains.
FBI agents have never engaged in practices using information about private, legal events to coerce or damage private individuals, or to enrich themselves at the expense of others. I am so glad it's not possible that could ever
Tower spy apps? (Score:3)
I don't know what all mobile platforms there is APIs / permission for this but I do know theres enough information provided from the RIL to be able to detect and track tower data.
Reckon an app could be developed in to keep track of towers in the area and alert users if there are any changes.
It could also crowdsource and mine data to uncover patterns useful in catching anyone using such devices.
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I dunno, Bush III may get another 4 years before Bush IV gets his chance. It's a toss-up.
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...what is this privacy thing anyway?
It's something to keep your friends from listening in on what you're saying to them.
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Mentioning this to contrast with SCOTUS ruling people in cars ha
Loophole (Score:1)
secret stingray? (Score:1)
This Stingray menace has gone on long enough (Score:2)
First they assassinate Steve Irwin; now they spy on our cellphones? When is the government finally going to declare war?