Saudi Arabia Calls For Global Internet Censorship Body 678
Onymous Hero writes "Following the recent YouTube video 'The Innocence of Muslims' and the subsequent Muslim violence, Saudi Arabia has stated that there is a 'crying need for international collaboration to address "freedom of expression" which clearly disregards public order.' The World Telecommunications Policy Forum (a UN body) is the vehicle by which Saudi Arabia (and possibly other states) will try to use to implement a global set of internet content standards."
one word! (Score:5, Insightful)
NO!
Saudi douches, internet censorship in 1 easy step (Score:1, Insightful)
Disconnect yourselves from it. Done and done.
no (Score:5, Insightful)
I am not one of the "OMG! Look at the religion of peace!" bozos. But this is way over the line. This asks for the ability to apply censorship rules to everyone. They should be bitch slapped and sent out of the room.
Aww poor little guys (Score:5, Insightful)
Isn't is supposed to? (Score:5, Insightful)
Freedom of expression is supposed to be uncomfortable and challenge public order. That's the whole idea.
Re:one word! (Score:5, Insightful)
but! If it wasn't religious extremists our US embassies around the world wouldn't of been attacked/rioted at and the one in Libya wouldn't of been raided the the ambassador killed! Hope and Change demands this!
FTFY
Re:one word! (Score:5, Insightful)
And if women didn't dress provocatively, they wouldn't be raped.
Yeah, yeah, that's it. Suppress freedom of expression so half-crazed Islamist assholes don't have an excuse to riot. Sounds like a great plan to me.
Re:no (Score:3, Insightful)
I am. Islam is a blight on humanity and evil things like those emanating from Iran [telegraph.co.uk], Saudi Arabia [dailymail.co.uk] and Pakistan [npr.org] flow directly from Islam.
what they should do is (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:no (Score:2, Insightful)
Try to get to know real muslims, those living day by day and living quite ordinary lives without intruding on anyone else's. Don't mistake islam for the noisy and the greedy. Most just want to live in peace. Not saying Islam doesn't have any problems, like Christianity, it has many, but the majority of muslims are quite peaceful and sane.
Hey Saudi Arabia... (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:no (Score:4, Insightful)
Note: I said the evil flows from Islam. I didn't say that Muslims are evil. The Muslims I know are all decent and humane people. That's because they ignore all the nasty crap in their religion and only pick and choose the benign stuff. But the religion itself is full of nastiness and evil and is a blight on humanity.
Now that is worth fighting for. (Score:5, Insightful)
Invading Iraq for oil, did not support
Invading Afghanistan to build pipeline, did not support
Nuking Saudi Arabia for stifling freedom of speech, Let me press the button.
They need to turn off the computer if they are offended but growing the fuck up would be even better.
Re:one word! (Score:5, Insightful)
Now here's the catch. A riot was asked what they didn't like about the video or what was so wrong, answer, I would not watch that rubbish. So what do you do with morons who riot about content they have never even bloody seen and like automatons they are rioting because the were told to be insulted and that they should riot.
Saudi Arabian government can fuck right off. The Government of Saudi Arabia via their nominated sub-cult the Wahhabis were the shit heads telling everyone to riot. No matter what anyone writes, draws or video if the criminally insane subcult of Islam spends money on telling the rest of the Islam world to riot via the religious communication channels then a percentage of fundamentalists world wide will riot.
The problem is not the content the problem is the corrupt autocratic government of Saudi Arabia and it's fiscal campaign corruption of the US government. How many US politicians are crawling around feeding at the hand of the Saudi government and it's Wahhabi religious fanatics, shit they ran airliners into US buildings, own substantial interests in US media channels, corrupt US politicians and the US governments turns a blind eye, again and again and again.
But wait (Score:4, Insightful)
Re:one word! (Score:4, Insightful)
Fuck that pack up and get everyone out and let the region burn and the barbarians kill each other if they want to kill each other over silly religious beliefs let them but they attack us once we leave them to rot as they seem to want show them the error of there way with bombs and drones if that fails we can always produces several kilometers of glass in a instant till they learn.
I see no point in wasting the lives of our troops on helping people who don't really want it. A supposed silent majority is no majority at all
Then again there is something to be said about stopping genocide which we will probably see one way or another when it comes to the Christians and Jews in the region if we did pull out.
A modest proposal (Score:5, Insightful)
In response to Saudi Arabia, I would recommended that all religious people and all religion content be removed from the internet. Reactionary, close minded ideology is clearly incompatible with this fast paced open medium. I'll be better for all of us if we take a bold step and separate them.
Re:no (Score:5, Insightful)
Mao didn't need a religious excuse to kill millions, neither did Stalin. North Korea manages to oppress their people to a degree the middle eastern nations can only dream about. Christianity was used as a rallying cry for countless atrocities throughout the middle ages. Evil flows from evil people. If the evil people couldn't use Islam to be evil they'd use something else.
Re:One More Baby Step to Global Sharia Law (Score:3, Insightful)
Second, there is only one country in the world that has, throughout its history, used its military power and political influence consistently to try to export its ideas of morality and law to the world, and it ain't no abode of Muslin desperation, it is the U-S-of-A.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! Go read some history books! What a crock!
Re:no (Score:5, Insightful)
IMO, yes. All religion is bad. That being said, some religions are worse than others and IMO Islam is the worst of the lot.
Dear Saudi Arabia (Score:5, Insightful)
Take your censorship and go f*ck yourself with it.
Sincerely,
The Free World
p.s. we can still buy your oil, right?
Re:One More Baby Step to Global Sharia Law (Score:3, Insightful)
The world will be dominated by Islamic idiots because the rest of the world will do nothing but appease them.
Are you arguing that what non-Muslims should do is commit genocide against Muslims? If you're not, could you explain how invading Iraq and Afghanistan and applying economic sanctions to Iran, Syria, and the Gaza Strip constitute "appeasing"?
Re:no (Score:3, Insightful)
Islam is a blight on humanity
Religion is a blight on humanity.
Fixed that for ya. Doesn't matter whether intolerance and the desire for absolute control over morality and ethics emanates from Saudi Arabia, Rome, an Anglican pulpit or some intolerant, fundamentalist bigot in the southern US of A.
Belief in mean, paternalistic sky fairies and an intense wave of misogyny is the problem, here. In other words, believe whatever you like, and practice whatever superstition you choose. But the minute you try to impose that belief on any another human being without allowing them the ability to critically question your assumptions, you're in the serious wrong and need to be bitch slapped back to sanity.
Reminds me of the recent Onion item ... No One Was Murdered Because Of This Image [theonion.com]
Re:no (Score:2, Insightful)
Why is that?
On the contrary, blaming the religion is exactly the right approach because it is the religion that contains the evil. Most Muslims are quite decent human beings and are deserving of respect. Islam, on the other hand, is a set of ideas and philosophy and we should not hesitate to criticize it.
Then you must do the same for Christianity, and every other religion that contains as a part of it's dogma, the instruction to do evil (stoning, suicide bombing, whatever) to those who don't believe and act as you do (women who have the temerity to demand education, etc.). It's too much to keep track of, so I say let them believe whatever fucking loopy Bronze Age fairy tales they want, as long as the behave like civilized people and stop trying to force their twisted views on anybody else.
Re:One More Baby Step to Global Sharia Law (Score:4, Insightful)
Second, there is only one country in the world that has, throughout its history, used its military power and political influence consistently to try to export its ideas of morality and law to the world, and it ain't no abode of Muslin desperation, it is the U-S-of-A.
Have you forgotten the Mongolians? What about the European Colonization period? Or the creation and expansion of the Chinese empire? Or the subjigation of the neighboring tribes by the Incas? What about the Aztecs and their demanded subservience of the tribes around them? Egypt certainly never crushed Kush.... and hell, Assyria played very nice.
What, this wasnt "the world?". Back then "the world" was limited by technology.
Stop being so naive.
If US policy is causing Muslim attacks . . . (Score:5, Insightful)
Then why are Muslims also attacking in so many other countries? There are Muslim terrorist attacks, all over the world, every day, and it's been going on like that for decades. Muslims are actively attacking not only Jews, and Christians, but Hindus, Buddhists, and of course, other Muslims.
How could this all be due to US mid-east policy?
Re:If US policy is causing Muslim attacks . . . (Score:5, Insightful)
How could this all be due to US mid-east policy?
Because it has to be! They were just peace-loving innocents until the big bad United States came along. Never mind that they've been fighting amongst themselves and with those same groups you mentioned for hundreds of years before the US ever existed.
Re:One More Baby Step to Global Sharia Law (Score:5, Insightful)
parent poster seems to forget that the islamic MISSION is to forcibly convert the world. now, later, they don't care: as long as the world gets converted, their book is happy.
christianity also wants to convert the world and it did it in quite a bloody way in the middle ages. but the moslems also were just as bad, just at different periods of time.
and today, they are THE WOST in the world when it comes to tolerance. there is no culture that is less tolerant, in fact.
and there is no perma peace with them. there can't be. until you are one of them, they consider you evil and either convertable or kill-worthy.
yes, its in their scriptures. those stupid, twisted, madlib sounding scriptures they love so much.
Re:One More Baby Step to Global Sharia Law (Score:3, Insightful)
You forget that most judaism-sourced religions have conversion as a core belief. Christianity's conversion drive has butchered tens if not hundreds of millions at this point, not a small feat considering much less effective weaponry hundreds of years ago when that mess really got going.
Big religions are a tool for control of the masses. So is conquest. Is it really so surprising that they go hand in hand even today?
FYI (Score:2, Insightful)
For all of you in the Middle East, I want to be very clear.
In the United States, the absolute highest law in the land is the US Constitution, and of that Constitution the highest law is the 1st Amendment. That is as important to Americans as the Koran is to muslims.
The 1st Amendment of the US Constitution is what gives American's the freedom of speech and freedom of religion, and several other freedoms. Every single law made, MUST not conflict with the US Constitution, if it does, then only the constitution is valid, and the law passed is invalid, even International law. It would be like a religious ruling that Muhammed was not really a prophet, when the Koran clearly indicates otherwise. Which would you follow that Fatwa or the Koran?
In the US, no politician can make or sign or negotiate any treaty, or any agreement, because they are obligated by oath under the letter and spirit of the law, to support and defend the US constitution. Any such agreements or treaties they enter into is not valid in the United States, and those politicians would be committing an act of insurrection and Treason against the American people; As a result those politicians should, could, and would be removed from their office by military force and thrown in prison for the rest of their lives, if they are lucky.
No treaty will ban any kind of speech in the United States, in any way shape or form.
Re:Public order be damned!!! (Score:5, Insightful)
As an Ex-muslim I say mod parent up.
Anonymous because I don't want to be beheaded.
Re:If US policy is causing Muslim attacks . . . (Score:5, Insightful)
Having lived in India as well as Saudi Arabia and then moving to the west as a Muslim, I can answer that. And answer that is all I will do, it is not a justification for the actions in any way or form.
The answer is short, education. There is a huge populace of uneducated muslim's in the world, probably the highest percentage of the 3 major religons in the world. With education comes tolerance and understanding that so many lack. Since the 1960s, Saudi Arabia started preaching its brand of wahabism to a lot of muslims, not only at home but abroad. This gave you the likes of Taliban and extremist Islam was born. Afghans were know for revenge long before Islamist Islam took roots with Saudi Sponsored madarsas to drive away Russians (I will let you guess who thought it was a good idea to drive away Russians in this manner). All these uneducated fighters were given a cause to fight in the name of the religion.
Living in Saudi Arabia, one thing that is quite apparent is that they are very strict in terms of what they intepret Islam. Their religious police would come out at us with sticks if we dared play soccer during prayer time. This brand of Islam was exported with oil money to a lot of places and you get terrorism.
Not only that, a few corrupt indviduals will go murder innocent non-muslims in the name of Islam. The same breed of uneducated non-muslims would then go kill muslims and decades of enimosity lasts between societies and cultures. You get into a feedback look of hate and suffering exploding to sad events like 911.
IMO, this generation of terrorist cannot be enlightened, the focus must be to bring the new generation up with education and tolerance. Taliban know this full well and you get 14 year old girls shot, only if the west would realise this too.
Re:If US policy is causing Muslim attacks . . . (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:One More Baby Step to Global Sharia Law (Score:5, Insightful)
What about non-militant Islam, is that evil? These aren't the "death to America" types, but the much more common "I want to go to work, come home to my family, and help raise the best and brightest kids I can, and maybe I stop by Friday prayers at the mosque" types.
For reference, here are the 5 fundamental practices of Islam:
1. Regular personal declaration in belief in monotheism, and that Mohammed is the messenger of that 1 god. This conceptually would be like a Christian reciting the Nicene Creed.
2. Praying 5 times a day. Totally harmless for anyone who's not doing this.
3. Giving at least 2.5% of ones income as charity towards the less fortunate. This seems positively virtuous.
4. Fasting, particularly during Ramadan, if practical (exceptions are made for children, pregnant women, etc). Again, harmless to anyone who isn't fasting.
5. A pilgrimage to Mecca. This could potentially support the Saudi government, but it's also basically harmless to anyone who isn't doing it, and often quite moving to those who do (Malcolm X is a great example - his experiences led him to stop hating white people due to their race).
And I should point out, for the record, that I'm not Muslim myself, but I've noticed that those who think that Islam is completely evil often know very little about what Muslims actually believe and how they practice their faith.
Re:One More Baby Step to Global Sharia Law (Score:3, Insightful)
The difference being that that was a long time ago, and Christianity today acknowledges that that was wrong and does not engage in those practices. While some of the more extreme Muslims still openly practice those techniques and have not recanted them.
Unfortunately, we live in a society that thinks that you should be held to account for the sins of people who died before your grandfather was born, perpetrated on someone else whose living relatives are also half a dozen generations removed from the sin. And yet, we also live in a society where you are not responsible for your own current sins because everything is somebody else's fault. Amazing.,
Re:One More Baby Step to Global Sharia Law (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:no (Score:4, Insightful)
Sorry, but I'm not kidding. When I read the Bible, I see things like the Sermon on the Mount [biblegateway.com] in which Jesus admonishes Christians to love their enemies. Christian orthodoxy requires adherents to spread the gospel, but to do so through teaching and preaching the Word in love, as the Apostle Paul did throughout the Book of Acts and more recently as Martin Luther King did during the Civil Rights movement of the 1960's. There have been times in history when this approach was not used, when violence and intimidation were instead used. Use of violence and other forms of coercion is not supported anywhere in the New Testament and historical uses of it have consistently demonstrated its failure to bring about any meaningful conversion.
God's commandments in the Old Testament for the descendents of Israel to enter and occupy the Promised Land were to the Jews, not to Christians, and are therefore not part of how a Christian should spread Christianity.
Re:If US policy is causing Muslim attacks . . . (Score:4, Insightful)
All Religion==evil.
All religions eventually devolve into violence and racism. All religious people directly encourage the existence of religion.
Re:One More Baby Step to Global Sharia Law (Score:5, Insightful)
Good point, but I've also noticed that many who are comfortable bashing religion and certain devotees, or are silent when others bash them (often times the target is Christianity or Christians), become agitated and assume a protective role when the same is done to Islam. Not a Christian (or even religious) myself
Re:If US policy is causing Muslim attacks . . . (Score:3, Insightful)
Then why are Muslims also attacking in so many other countries? There are Muslim terrorist attacks, all over the world, every day, and it's been going on like that for decades. Muslims are actively attacking not only Jews, and Christians, but Hindus, Buddhists, and of course, other Muslims. How could this all be due to US mid-east policy?
Is that a rhetorical question? I can see you came with well-researched answers. Not. Here's a starting point: PBS [pbs.org]. Now, you can bring facts to the table. That's how debate and argumentation work. Otherwise its just an emotional mess. How are these comments being scored as interesting? What a bunch of ignorant twaddle. disclaimer: ATHEIST
Re:one word! (Score:4, Insightful)
“Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as false, and by the rulers as useful.” - Seneca, Roman philosopher, mid-1st century AD
Re:One More Baby Step to Global Sharia Law (Score:5, Insightful)
So tell me again... who are the ones promoting hatred and violence?
That's easy - anyone who believes that people who believe differently than they do are fundamentally and typically irredeemably evil. Which is where Islamic nutjobs (e.g. Al Qaida) and Christian nutjobs (e.g. Xe, formerly Blackwater) and atheist nutjobs (e.g. the Soviets) all are much more similar than they'd like to admit.
Re:If US policy is causing Muslim attacks . . . (Score:4, Insightful)
When you're born and raised to adulthood in a certain mindset, specifically of a religious nature, it can be very, very hard to break free.
Wrong (Score:4, Insightful)
Except there's Israel. We'll never be free of their over-large influence (and I'd say co-opting) of US politics. Sorry about the Holocast, and you're better than your neighbors, but that doesn't justify your willful and active meddling in US policies foreign and domestic.
If there was no religion of any sort, present day would be like living in Star Trek.
Re:Public order be damned!!! (Score:2, Insightful)
Let's get the hell away from dependence on oil, and let these people go straight to the Hell they so firmly believe in, and so richly deserve.
Re:Hey Saudi Arabia... (Score:4, Insightful)
Are you really this retarded you primitive chauvinist(*) asshole?
My free speech is not protected by the US, it is protected by the constitution of my country. That attitude is exactly the kind of crap that the world has come to expect of you, and apparently rightfully so. For all I care, you could be swallowed up by Yosemite tomorrow, and my free speech would still be under the very same protection as it is today.
This arrogance is sickening to me, and I live in a western country that actually does have a reason to thank the US for a couple things. Now imagine how sickening it must be to someone living in a country where the US is responsible for bombing the shit out of the civilian population and little else. If you can't understand why they hate you - I can. If instead of liberating my country back in WW2 you had been killing a bunch of my friends and family for the past years, I definitely would, too.
(*) in the original sense, before feminism abducted the word