Colocation Provider PRQ Raided; Wikileaks and Many Torrent Sites Offline 138
An anonymous reader writes with some chilling news about PRQ, the infamous colo founded by two Pirate Bay founders. From the article: "Stockholm police raided the free-speech focused firm (PRQ) Monday and took four of its servers, the company's owner Mikael Viborg told the Swedish news outlet Nyheter24. While a number of bittorrent-based filesharing sites including PRQ's most notorious client, the Pirate Bay, have been down for most of Monday as well as PRQ's own website, Viborg told the Swedish news site that the site outages were the result of a technical issue, rather than the police's seizure of servers."
Torrentfreak is reporting that the Pirate Bay isn't using PRQ for anything important (if at all), and that their downtime is due to a faulty PDU that happened to fail as a coincidence.
same country that wants Assange just raided.... (Score:5, Informative)
Re:same country that wants Assange just raided.... (Score:4, Interesting)
Same Country that wants assange on funny smelling charges of "rape", just raided his server room.
Sorry but that is untrue.
PRQ hosted wikileaks back in 2010.
What did get removed was a number of torrentsites.
Re:same country that wants Assange just raided.... (Score:4, Informative)
Same Country that wants assange on funny smelling charges of "rape", just raided his server room.
Obviously not, given that Wikileaks is still up, and never went down according to the story. What are down are a couple of torrent sites. The only known relation to Wikileaks or TPB is the fact that this host has served both. Why was it mentioned in the headline, you may ask? Clickbait, so that people who were following those causes would read it, even though it was almost 100% completely unrelated in every possible way.
This is part of the reason it is hard to take the whole "Assange is a persecuted martyr" seriously: his supporters never seem to know all the facts, they simply react. Knee-jerk reactions do not help, and make your entire position look bad. So, if you really want to help Assange and think he and his cause are worth helping, stop it, and read the damned articles. Or don't, since, you know, clickbait.
Oh and wait for some actual information to come out, since at this point no one knows anything at all, especially given the number of technical issues (unrelated, I might add) PRQ seems to be having/have had.
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TFA also mention about two thousand clients including ones with names such as "North America Man-Boy Love Association" and "Pedophile.se" so yeah.. Doubt TPB was the target, as if this would keep them down, I didn't thought they was in Sweden longer ATM but maybe they are to. Wikileaks would make somewhat more sense but I would had assumed they have already done some damage control regarding Assange if anything serious was stored for non-public view. But what do I know.
(They mention more sites to like "Chec
Re:same country that wants Assange just raided.... (Score:5, Insightful)
This is part of the reason it is hard to take the whole "Assange is a persecuted martyr" seriously: his supporters never seem to know all the facts, they simply react. Knee-jerk reactions do not help, and make your entire position look bad.
Dude, you are smoking the cheap $3 Propaganda brand crack. Assange isn't a persecuted martyr because he's still breathing. He is being persecuted, however. The fact that he's a political figure simply can't be ignored or dismissed. You may agree or disagree with the charges. You may think he's an asshole, or the greatest thing since sliced bread. And we can argue the minutae of it until the heat death of the universe, but it's pointless. You and I are just random people on the internet. An embassy, a sovereign foreign government responsible for millions of lives, has come out and said "Something smells fishy about this." These aren't the kind of people to make rash decisions. You and I may not have all the facts. His supporters may or may not. But the embassy officials that put their country's pride and reputation on the line do have them. It would be reckless of them to have offered him asylum if they didn't feel there was firm ground to stand on. Remember -- The British government was inches away from wiping their arse with the Geneva conventions and storming the place, creating a massive international diplomatic incident... the kind of incident wars have been started over in years past.
The statement he isn't being persecuted is readily refuted by the simple observation that diplomats aren't irrational. It's a job requirement that they consider carefully the consequences of each action, and even in a small country there's going to be a vetting process to ensure that their interests are represented by someone who isn't nuts. Bottom line is he is being persecuted; You can agree or disagree with it, but you can't outright deny it. The evidence simply can't support your position.
All that said, let me step away from intellectual discourse now and say I think the man was a fucking moron. Who in their right mind moons the government with the largest standing military and biggest economy by GDP on the planet? I could give a flying fuck through a rolling doughnut about whatever charges they're bringing him up on, or the diplomatic incidents he's created -- the dumb bastard's gonna have his ass battered and deep fried at the end of this, one way or another. Maybe what he did was right, maybe it wasn't, but goddamnit man... if you're gonna shine the biggest badass in the room, at least be a man and take your lumps right then and there, not run off and hide under someone's skirt after.
*cough* We now return you to your regularly scheduled flame fest, already in progress...
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You sure you really wanna go with the appeal to authority there?
"It's a government, you guys - they wouldn't just make things like this up! Oh and by the way, let me tell you about all the horrendous, terrifying, awful, illegal things that the US, UK, and Swedish governments are doing. Because if there's one thing everybody can agree on, governments are corrupt - except f
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That said, even if all the allegations are true, and there is plenty of evidence pointing otherwise, what Assange is suspected of doing is as far from rape as I am from being a multibillionary.
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I only read some of the reports in the initial couple of weeks of the sex charges being waved about, so someone can feel free to correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't the issue not about "rape" but rather that of informed consent? He was having sex with two different women and failed to inform them of either of it, which is apparently treated more seriously there than it would be in North America.
And that was why one of his accusers was reported to be saying they were pressuring her to make serious allegation
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Actually the main complaint was that he didn't want to wear a condom, and one of the women later (much later, god knows whys he saved it) produced a broken condom with no trace of genetic material on it, claiming he had intentionally broken it.
So basically, no, nothing like rape.
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He was having sex with two different women and failed to inform them of either of it, which is apparently treated more seriously there than it would be in North America.
That is usually not illegal in Sweden either, turns out that the Swedish law works a bit differently for Assange.
It is quite obvious that someone wants to see Assange burn, the thing that people argue about is if it is personal or political.
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There's so much misinformation going around about the case from Assange fans. Here's the four actual charges from the European Arrest Warrant, as reported in the lower court ruling [judiciary.gov.uk]:
To take a line from a song (Score:2)
Come on, the lawyers are expected to work a bit harder than that in all other extradition cases. Do they really think a healthy human being can sleep through such an incident?
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Is your confusion over the difference between the words "consumate" and "complete"?
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Furthermore the "sleeping victim" could have sent him away when she woke up, which was very soon after he started the foreplay. Sex is
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Riiight. The women disagree with the charges. That's why they hired a lawyer to get the case reopened and who is since pushing forward the charges for them. Clearly they're ignorant of what their own attorney is doing, those ignorant little damsels!
The ruling of the high court does not match your description of it [tinyurl.com]. The nature of the crimes (my quote: "All four charges were judged by the three British courts hearing the case to all be crimes in Britain as well") is readdressed in "Issue 2". It represent
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If you say something about prehistory that sounds tough-nosed, it seems no one reacts no matter how blatantly wrong it is. Did you even think this through before your wrote it?
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Rape has been illegal from ancient Greek & Roman times, pretty much down to today. In historical times, it was considered less a sexual crime, and more a property crime against the father/husband of the woman, but it was still a crime, and there were still legal penalties for it in just about any civil society I can think of.
That covers a good chunk of your "last 5000 years or so of human history" - so I'm curious what data you're basing these inane claims on?
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For most of our History and throughout almost all human civilizations women were property ans spoils of war and had no say about when they would
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Not to interrupt your rhapsodizing about the good old days when men like Assange could behave as badly as they want, but I'll ask again: what data are you basing these inane claims on?
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And by the way, even if you think that what he is suspected of doing is horrible, Assange hasn't been even accused of anything yet much less proven guilty.
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Thanks for demonstrating the baselessness of your assertions.
Also, Mr. Assange has quite clearly been ACCUSED of something. You might want to go look up the meaning of the terms you use before you use them in so public a fashion.
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The base of my assertions is human History. I advise you to go back to your history books (if you ever had any) and read them instead of using your imagination to vomit fantasies, as usual
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*yawn*
Thanks for playing.
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This is also mostly a myth. I encourage you to look it up in medieval law codes, e.g. the Visigothic code.
The Romans were very unusual in that they regarded women and children as property. Out of a desire for uniformity, they tried to formulated their laws around as few ideas as possible, and property was their favorite idea. But even in the reinassance when Romans were idolized (and Roman law was actual
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Not clear what point you're calling "mostly a myth" - that it was a property crime? or that it was a crime at all?
If the latter, as far as I can see, the Visigothic Code you've cited comes down squarely against rape, and in favor of punishing the "ravisher." If the former, I'd say that the wording used supports the notion that it was considered less "a crime against the woman," and more a "crime against chastity / crime against her family," for which restitution, corporal punishment, and even enslavement
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That it was a property crime against the father. As you can see, it was a very serious crime against the victim, and yes, it was the victim which was the beneficiary of the restitution - alternatively her parents, presumably when she was underage and living with them- because as you can see, there's no provision for restitution to her husband.
The exception is interesting: If the offender has given something to the victim, it always goes to the parents. I think this is because the victim keeping something gi
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No, it doesn't. It's blatantly ridiculous, even for the most brutal societies that have existed, much less prehistorical ones. Maybe if you call all sex below 18 years of age rape, but even then you'd have trouble, because most births don't happen as a result of sex before 18.
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Most girls were sold as slaves or forcibly married by their parents, and had no say about with whom, when or how they would perform sex
By any modern law code the huge majority of sex made throughout human history can be considered as rape.
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no charges laid, get a clue.
the girls dont even admit to being raped, so get a clue.
But hey, how about the fact that during WW2, Sweden was Hitlers butfuck buddy and helped him out.
Cowards suck up to Hitler, and now the US.
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No charges can be laid in absentia from Sweden, get a clue.
There is testimony is the leaked transcript that the second woman explicitly said she was raped, get a clue. To pick on example, after the event, she phoned her ex bf and told him she'd just been raped by Assange. Its in his testimony, read it yourself - Seth Bensen, last interview.
Why are we still in the "correcting basic misinformation about the case" phase? I'd think we'd be long past that by now.
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And this level of ignorance, ladies and gentlemen, it why getting your information from an echo chamber is a Bad Thing(TM). Its like a giant game of "telephone". Next up, we'll hear about how the victims are on the steps of the embassy pleading for Assange to be free.
Rather than, you know, the pesky reality that they're in hiding from Assange fans like you while their lawyer works to bring him to justice.
Wait, no, how "myscogynistic" of me to think that they know what their own lawyer is doing.
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What is wrong with the (Score:2)
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Maybe because file sharing isn't illegal?
Improvement (Score:1)
Seems like they only confiscated 4 servers this time, and not everything which wasn't bolted to the floor. Quick! someone tell the cops they got intellectuals among them!
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were they diskless servers that booted on PXE over 10ge fibre?
The 10ge NAS servers could very easily be burried under 20 feet of dirt and cased in concrete, (bitch to update), but very secure. As long as power+10ge+ventilation work.
I don't understand (Score:3, Funny)
Re:I don't understand (Score:4, Informative)
http://torrentfreak.com/pirate-bay-founder-remains-locked-up-without-charges-120930/ [torrentfreak.com]
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Waste? The govt doesnt care, its not their money, taxes are infinite.
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Arrrrr, matey, forced to walk me own plank (Score:2)
if the torrents were visible and easy to spy on, Our Governments In Action could just pick off the alleged violators.
results might be the same, but hey, the semantics are cleaner.
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Home Depot? (Score:3)
..their downtime is due to a faulty PDU that happened to fail..
So, anyone got a spare powerstrip?
Wikileaks not offline (Score:5, Informative)
http://wikileaks.org/ [wikileaks.org]
and even if the main site is taken down the mirrors will chug along.
And the response.... (Score:3)
http://www.thelocal.se/43552/20121001/ [thelocal.se]
Recommend Andy Greenberg's This Machine Kills Secrets brilliant on cypherpunks, WikiLeaks,and privacy for the Web.
And please don't forget...
http://www.nnn.se/nordic/assange/suspicious.pdf [www.nnn.se]
No route to TPB - BGP down (Score:1)
TPB's route has been down for quite some time now. Their router is no longer advertising their entire IP block to the internet. Try it, traceroute to thepiratebay.se, it will stop at the edge of your network.
This is indicative of something *seriously* wrong. Normally, routers are supplied with multiply redundant power and sometimes even a live hot-spare.
I think the timing isn't a coincidence ant TPB is lying through their teeth to prevent their users from getting nervous. Can anyone prove me wrong?
Coincidence? (Score:1)
There are no coincidences.
rslog.net was affected (Score:2)
Loved that site. Don't care for filelockers, but it had nice summaries of what was released. Now i guess i have to find another site like that.
I didn't realize wikileaks was taken down in that, figures.
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I would recommend http://www.scnsrc.net/ [scnsrc.net] - Started and initially powered by disgruntled mods from rlslog.net. Same content, much less ads and better download links - like working torrent links (rlslog always uses their own torrent tracker/portal and the announced release almost always fails to be available).
Re:Free speech under attack. (Score:4, Insightful)
Spot on, and seeing this happen in a place like Sweden makes it even more disturbing. We are in regression, or devolution. Don't know which is more correct, but it's not good. It can only result in a new, very dark age. The desire for freedom is seen as a sign of lunacy to many.
Re:Free speech under attack. (Score:5, Insightful)
I don't think we have ever been really free, at least in a modern sense.
I suspect the early Picts, Vikings and other tribes had significantly more freedom than we have today.
We live in a pervasive information society, one where the government is the biggest customer and companies are all too happy to sell our data to it.
Our grandchildren will piss on our graves for what we have allowed.
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I don't think we have ever been really free, at least in a modern sense.
You mean we aren't free to choose our jobs (not slaves), or that we don't have free speech to criticize the government?
I suspect the early Picts, Vikings and other tribes had significantly more freedom than we have today.
I suspect you don't know shit about the ordinary lives and freedoms of the people from those times.
We live in a pervasive information society, one where the government is the biggest customer and companies are all too happy to sell our data to it.
Oh, so you mean because there is information about us, we are not free. Ho hum.
Our grandchildren will piss on our graves for what we have allowed.
Why would our grandchildren care any more than the current generation?
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Ah, you've learned how to call people who you disagree with on the Internet a troll. Congratulations [penny-arcade.com].
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Perhaps, but it must seriously burn your jocks that none of your comments are moderated above 1.
I am hardly anonymous, quite the opposite.
I took a little time to read you other comments after i posted mine. It was a knee jerk post, and i apologise for that. But i do feel your worldview is overly sarcastic, deply negative and well, rejected.
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Perhaps, but it must seriously burn your jocks that none of your comments are moderated above 1.
Nope. My karma is excellent, which means I've had my posts get moderated up before, but I don't post for moderation points. If you want to get a lot of upmods you have to post early in the story. Other helpful advice is to go with the prevailing groupthink, or preface your post with "I know I'll be modded down for this..." or similar when you don't. I don't play that game.
I am hardly anonymous, quite the opposite.
The post that called me a troll and told me to die was posted anonymously. Are you belatedly taking credit for it now?
But i do feel your worldview is overly sarcastic, deply negative and well, rejected.
Funny that you're c
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Attn mods:
I appreciate the props, but I wish you would give more to the AC I responded to. I did little more than echo his viewpoint and agree with it 100%. It is very important that we fight back. I have no problem using whatever means necessary to protect our freedoms. We should never let them be put up to a vote. We need to make them as inviolable as humanly possible, regardless of anybody's opinion.
Re:Free speech under attack. (Score:5, Insightful)
What I want to know is why sites like this keep trying to locate in unfriendly countries. Why not put them in someplace safe, like Russia? Is the bandwidth there a big problem or something?
And yes I know, Russia isn't exactly a big fan of free speech either, but they don't give two shits about IP laws and certainly not about protecting American IP. If you put something on your servers that criticizes Putin, sure you'll get shut down. But if you put up tons of pirated American media for people to download (let alone simply torrents), they're not going to care, instead they'd welcome the business.
Remember AllOfMP3.com? (Score:2)
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This is not true, in Russia it would happen earlier, there are multiple examples of seized servers due to IP violations. One country that I know that does not have IP laws is Vietnam.
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Are you sure this is still the case? I thought Vietnam had signed up to WIPO, and had "pretty standard" copyright laws now?
Not necessarily the best reference source, but here's something [onevietnam.org] which seems to support this, and also "Vietnamese Copyright Laws: Foreign Copyright Owners Beware!" (pdf) [gonzagajil.org].
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Don't forget, the other thing you have to take into account is the level of enforcement. China, for instance, professes strong protections for IP. But everyone knows that's a total joke. So IP laws don't necessarily equate to actual IP enforcement (particularly in response to claims by foreign copyright holders).
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Fair point.
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Yes, this means you're potentially hosting something illegal, but you can't access it (the cache is encrypted) and it can't be traced to you (you are just another anonymous node between the host and the client).
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My big question here is: if you're hosting who-knows-what, how much disk space does this end up using on your machine, to be part of Tor?
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Unless something has changed, this is not how Tor works. It is a closer description to how Freenet works.
A Tor relay does nothing more than pass along packets. Tor exit nodes allow the Tor network to connect to sites on the internet. Anybody can also run a Tor hidden service, which is just a webserver that talks to a Tor node. These do not require exit nodes to operate and should be more secure as a result.
However, I'd be concerned about running something like this on Tor. The fact is that there aren't
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It's easy for the US to get stuff taken down in Russia, they just have to pay the right police a few thousand USD, that's peanuts.
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Seems like Iran should be a better place to host such sites (than it is; they're not very open with their internet connections). They'd be happy to thumb their noses at the US authorities and copyright holders.
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Iran is too locked down now, and doesn't have the political capital for anyone to care if say their connections were to get DDOS'd or similar.
I would've thought somewhere like Venezuela would be better - full of hate for the US and the West, but with enough political capital and enough of a stranglehold on the West's fuel supply (now that we've given up Iranian oil) to avoid any too punitive a punishment. This said, Chavez is a bit sporadic in his hate of the West so a good enough backhander his way and he
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What I want to know is why sites like this keep trying to locate in unfriendly countries. Why not put them in someplace safe, like Russia?
You are utterly insane. You can take out a competitor by paying $60k to the police. The victim then spends 15 years in prison. And you want to go to that country and piss off rich people around the world?
Not. A. Good. Idea.
I can not find the BBC link I was thinking of but this one should be sufficient to illustrate: http://www.channelnewsasia.com/stories/afp_world/view/1193249/1/.html [channelnewsasia.com]
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Ok, if not Russia, who then? How about China? They're not as totally corrupt as Russia, and probably aren't too keen on western companies poking around with their legal system.
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China might be a better choice than Russia but the problem still remains, you are relying on a government to not care about your activities. Under normal circumstances, relying on the government not to care about you is VERY safe; however, when money is involved, we can clearly see that even the less corrupt governments quickly fold and do illegal actions against their own people. See Kim Dotcom for the most recent example. Or Julian Assange for a very slightly less recent example (storm the embassy to arre
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I'm American, but I wouldn't have thought my reaction typical for my countrymen. This place is full of highly reactionary people; if someone asked me "which country has the most laid-back people", America is definitely not the first to come to mind. We're not nearly as bad as, for instance, Egypt or Libya or Pakistan by any means, but definitely not as level-headed as Canadians. Of course, people seem to get upset easily about something anywhere you go. In the middle east, you just have to draw a pictur
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Of course, I forgot to reply to the more-important point in your post; I agree entirely about spreading things out between countries: stay out of the country you're pissing off, and keep the servers in a different country from that country and the one you're in. That seems like the safest way.
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Oh, I realize the irony. I wouldn't want to live in those places, are you kidding? But despite the corruption problems, having a server there would surely be safer than having it America. The US government, under request of the MAFIAA, can easily and quickly shut down any server it doesn't like within its own borders, but doing so in Russia is a lot harder (and apparently involves some bribery).
The other poster here was right: you want your servers to be located in some country different from your own co
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Why do you think they had to put that in the bill of rights? Controlling speech is how people are controlled by those who want to take advantage of them.
Modern governments tell us what not to say. Churches and church-controlled governments take it a step further telling people WHAT to say.
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Re:Free speech under attack. (Score:5, Informative)
Because Abu Hamza [wikipedia.org] has only one country which has to approve his extradition (instead of two in the case of Assange), has few fans (compared to Assange, who according to polls has on the order of hundreds of millions), was trying to *set up terrorist training camps inside the US* (instead of leaking videos and cables), has no "get out of extradition free" card from being charged with an intelligence-related crime (Swedish law bans extradition for intelligence matters), and on and on... and he's *still* in the UK.
So your argument against the belief that he is only being extradited to Sweeden so that he can then be sent to the U.S. is to present evidence of how difficult is is to get someone extradited directly from the U.K to the U.S.?
And we're supposed to worry about Julian F'ing Assange and his paranoid fantasyland? Especially after this [guardian.co.uk]?
you're sourcing a news article that's nearly 2 years old. Try looking at what's being going on more recently. like Within the last week [smh.com.au] we have news that "THE US military has designated Julian Assange and WikiLeaks as enemies of the United States - the same legal category as the al-Qaeda terrorist network and the Taliban insurgency."
"Declassified US Air Force counter-intelligence documents, released under US freedom-of-information laws, reveal that military personnel who contact WikiLeaks or WikiLeaks supporters may be at risk of being charged with "communicating with the enemy", a military crime that carries a maximum sentence of death."
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Yes, and it works, if you're not completely ignorant of the law, and don't just believe Mr. Assange's press releases.
There is NO - I repeat, NO - way that Mr. Assange can (legally) be extradited from Sweden to the US without the consent of the UK. The authorities in the UK approving h
50 year prison is worse than death (Score:2)
The US will fake it with a lesser charge that has 20 year jail.
Then accidentally, he will be 'killed by a madman' psycho who was accidentally mixed in his cell.
100% proof this has happened before, the FBI has 100s and countless of ex-agents FIRED or in JAIL for faking evidence or ruining or killing others.
Yeah a little known and not heavily publicized fact, crooks are in the system too.
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Which makes the whole conspiracy absurd then - why go through this whole mess if they just wanted to kill him and make it look like an accident? Heck, at this point in time the *easiest* way to do that would be to let him go to Ecuador, where crime is rampant.
Offtopic question for Rei (Score:2)
(Rei, you're the man when it comes to knowledge of the EV industry. I wish Slashdot had a way of sending messages to other users, so I wouldn't have to post an off-topic question like this.)
According to this video.
http://cnettv.cnet.com/can-tesla-model-unkill-electric-car-cnet-cars/9742-1_53-50132179.html?ttag=cnet~tesla~ob [cnet.com]
the Model S' performance is limited by the throughput of the inverter.
Inverters also add weight, volume, cost, and are not 100% efficient. Why not do away with the
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the United Kingdom is party to an agreement whereby extradition must be refused to any country which has the death penalty and where the suspect is to be tried in a capital case
Bolded the key part here - is US vs Assange a capital case, or a regular criminal case?
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Depends on the allegations and charges. And since the US hasn't filed any charges, it's impossible to say. You might say there's "NO CASE," but legions of Assange supporters will hasten to tell me how I'm wrong. But we can speculate, and we can make informed conclusions, using the following information:
1) Mr. Assange is not a US citizen; nor was he (apparently) in the US when he allegedly misbehaved;
2) Mr. Assange found himself in the possession of classified US military information;
3) Mr. Assange pu
go back to your CIA office REI (Score:2)
He has had no charges filed against him.
Now go back to BuyMore to find your next dumbass 20s agents.
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Nor can charges be filed in absentia. Your point?
In Sweden, charges are the last thing that happens before a trial, and there's a time limit between laying them and the trial. Sweden has lots of those pesky "protections for the accused" - how dare they, right?