Ethiopia Criminalizes VoIP Services 255
An anonymous reader writes "The Ethiopian government has passed legislation criminalizing the use of VoIP services like Skype and Google Talk. Anyone using these services within the country now faces up to 15 years in prison. 'Ethiopian authorities argue that they imposed these bans because of "national security concerns" and to protect the state's telecommunications monopoly. The country only has one ISP, the state-owned Ethio Telecom, and has been filtering its citizen's Internet access for quite some time now to suppress opposition blogs and other news outlets. ... Reporters Without Borders also reports that Ethio Telecom installed a system to block access to the Tor network, which allows users to surf the Web anonymously. The organization notes that the ISP must be using relatively sophisticated Deep Packet Inspection to filter out this traffic.'"
Devolution (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:Devolution (Score:5, Informative)
There is no such thing devolution, only evolution in a direction you don't like.
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Re:Devolution (Score:5, Funny)
Thank you for the proper English correction.
FTFY
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Actually, it's English everywhere.
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Actually, it's English everywhere.
Wrong! I was in the Peace Corps in the Ivory Coast West Africa where I taught at the University of Abidjan. My English friend Donard, taught English. I taught American. They considered them to be two separate and distinct languages.
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Re:Devolution (Score:5, Funny)
Are we not men?
Re:Devolution (Score:5, Funny)
D.E.V.O.
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There is no such thing devolution
Convergence into the form of a 70's band? [youtube.com]
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It's in my dictionary:
The process of declining from a higher level to a lower level of effective power or vitality or essential quality. Syn. degeneration.
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It's in my dictionary:
The process of declining from a higher level to a lower level of effective power or vitality or essential quality. Syn. degeneration.
See this is why I come on here and post "nigger" and other racial jokes, troll about politics or operating systems, ask anybody who mentions an intelligent woman if that woman is fat, and just generally fuck around. It's the only way to have fun around here anymore.
Do you know why? Do you know why that is?
Because you motherfuckers will get into crazy-ass passionate fights over stupid shit like whether "devolution" is a word.
For. Fuck's. Sake. You. Motherfuckers. You know exactly what the guy
Re:Devolution (Score:4, Informative)
lol.
Best post yet.
Yelling at people on a forum that you choose to visit about how they are all fucked for posting the way everyone in this forum does.
Getting all bent out of shape on purpose all the while yelling that we should all have better shit to do.
You are priceless.
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Or perhaps like all rational people he's just repressing his memory of it.
Ethiopia's been like this for decades (Score:5, Informative)
A friend of mine was doing development work in Ethiopia and Somaliland back in the 90s. He's Dutch, and his wife's Somali, and he often worked from Addis Ababa, the capital. At one point he was having a phone call, and the phone operator came on and told him to stop speaking Dutch - speak English, Italian, Arabic, Amharic, or one of the other local languages the police could understand. We talked about whether he should use PGP, but he decided it would just give the police more of an excuse to "confiscate" his PCs, which they'd been wanting to steal anyway.
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Re:Devolution (Score:5, Insightful)
Bull. You are revising living memory. Of course it existed. It existed fifteen years ago, everywhere. The tech to listen in on all calls did not exist, nor was it legal. It was absolutely, constitutionally ILLEGAL to spy on citizens in the USA. We talked on the phone and messaged each other in the happy knowledge that it took a court order or Scientology operatives to obtain phone conversations or internet activity. Such things are possible today because our citizens are technologically and politcally illiterate and have absolutely no cultural memory past ALF reruns. The US is stupiding itself to death. OF COURSE WE HAD PRIVACY!! You gave it up!
i really hate to break it to you (Score:4, Insightful)
but if you have a thought, and you put it on a wire that leads to a public network, you have just given up your right to privacy
not legally, but logically
even if the government was passionate about not snooping on the network in its borders, what of corporations? what of rogue government operatives? what of technically proficient and strangely motivated individuals?
it's a NETWORK, not a closed box in your garage
if you want something private, don't put it on a public network. once it gets out there, it is beyond your control. and you are the person who put it out there. so don't put it out there if it is important for you to keep private
this has nothing to do with legality. it has to do with a common sense understanding of the nature of the subject matter you are dealing with: a wide open public network. there is no such thing as privacy on that
Re:i really hate to break it to you (Score:5, Insightful)
but if you have a thought, and you put it on a wire that leads to a public network, you have just given up your right to privacy
not legally, but logically
Do you not expect your (snail) mail to be private? Can your privacy be potentially compromised? Yes, but most still expect it to be private. If it is compromised, the trespasser, when found, is be held accountable. Any communication channel can be potentially compromised. The problem is that most nations don't hold their government accountable.
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I do not expect my snail mail to be perfectly secure from prying eyes, no.
Legally, it is. In point of actual reality, it is not.
Legally, the House of Commons can pass a resolution saying that the her majesty the Queen is capable of levitation.
Just because something is legal or not does not necessarily have any bearing on the reality of the situation.
Now proceed with the same understanding when you volunteer private information on a public network.
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poor analogy
proper analogy is that i leave my house wearing purple shorts, and for some reason i believe it is no one else's right to notice what shorts i am wearing. even if there is a giant billboard saying "it is the law of land that it is not legal to see what kind of pants people are wearing"
if it goes in public, it is public. it's not a complicated concept
Re:Devolution (Score:5, Insightful)
Bull. You are revising living memory. Of course it existed. It existed fifteen years ago, everywhere. The tech to listen in on all calls did not exist, nor was it legal. It was absolutely, constitutionally ILLEGAL to spy on citizens in the USA. We talked on the phone and messaged each other in the happy knowledge that it took a court order or Scientology operatives to obtain phone conversations or internet activity. Such things are possible today because our citizens are technologically and politcally illiterate and have absolutely no cultural memory past ALF reruns. The US is stupiding itself to death. OF COURSE WE HAD PRIVACY!! You gave it up!
There has been technology to wiretap calls for as long as there have been telephones. All you needed was access to the telephone company. Heck in the extreme early days, before phones were able to dial, a cop may simply sit by the operator and listen in.
There was a middle ground where it took a bit more legwork to get the wiretapping done, but there was no point where it became impossible if desired.
Yes, you “need” the court order, but that order can be granted in secret and is granted if no other ways to prove you are guilty of the investigated "serious" crime is available. If you are innocent, that usually means they will wiretap you because they wont find anything else to tie you up to the crime.
Over the decades warrants have been given to investigate even people just vaguely related to the real target of an investigation, as they may shed light on the target himself.
This is nothing new, and these computer monitoring is being implemented by many countries that simply don’t want to lose their ability to keep monitoring everything at will.
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Ultimately this is about this sentence:
"to protect the state's telecommunications monopoly." Government are monopolies and the politicians or bureaucrats therein desire to keep that monopoly. Whether it's a monopoly over power or money (or both). The U.S. government doesn't allow any other company to deliver letter mail. Why? Because it's protecting its monopoly. Another example is Comcast which, in many cities or counties, has been given a monopoly by their favorite friend: the government. Nobody el
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We never really have had privacy in my lifetime BUT at least back in the good ole days they didn't have the resources to spy on every single person as they do today with cheap computers and surveillance equipment.
Now legally you are probably right. But if it doesn't work legally they work extralegal (Hoover), so it really doesn't matter. So you are right in the sense that we now have no sense.
Now it's pretty cool if Hoover had a file on you. Now they just have a file on everyone and they now also have compu
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Bullshit. The tech to listen on phone calls has existed as long as phones have existed, and if you think the didn't listen in on calls, constitutionally or otherwise, I have a bridge to sell you.
Really? Because some guy sold me some beachfront property on an island in the Florida Everglades. He had to sell it because there was no bridge to the island.
Re:Devolution (Score:5, Insightful)
That wasn't what I addressed. Of course they could tap phones, and they did - with court orders and with records of their taps. One at a time. At least they had to show an interest.
But now they are listening to ALL OUR CALLS. ALL OF THEM. And when the NSA gets that data center in Utah online next year, they will record. every. single. call. All the web pages visits. No exceptions. No warrants. They will be able to run a timeline backwards on anyone or any group of associates to go a-huntin' crimes or anti-government activity. Forever.
Address that, not the straw man. We lived in a world without 24/7 spying on every damned thing we do, and now we do, because 1) no cultural memory of a time when it wasn't so 2) kids raised with no civil liberty at school don't get why no liberties as an adult is bad and 3) the tech has changed and 4) the national security state has really metastasized and is spreading across the world as fast as we can sell the equipment.
WTF? (Score:3, Insightful)
You're looking at it. Great Britain, USA, Ethiopia, China, Saudi Arabia... are there *any* countries where an internet connection can be had with complete freedom of access and no censorship?
What the F are you yammering on about, you nob? It is completely common to have a completely free(from a libertarian perspective) and uncensored internet connection from a plethora of ISP in the United States and the United Kingdom. Genuine issues abound in many countries, including Ethiopia and the risk of the erosion of freedoms in many other places does exist. But, you hyperbolic patent falsifications erode people's willingness to take these matters seriously. In the long run, you are doing far more harm
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doesn't exist, sorry.
Considering NSA taps on the backbone for the gov't "Free" is a strawman.
What they are focusing on is "is it monitored?" and the answer is: yes. If the ISP doesn't that has no bearings on gov't decisions. Does that mean anything will come of it? Probably not.
PORN (Score:2)
Sure, it's "opt-in"... until someone decides in 10 years to tighten the noose tighter.
Re:WTF? (Score:5, Interesting)
What the F are you yammering on about, you nob? It is completely common to have a completely free(from a libertarian perspective) and uncensored internet connection from a plethora of ISP in the United States and the United Kingdom. Genuine issues abound in many countries, including Ethiopia and the risk of the erosion of freedoms in many other places does exist. But, you hyperbolic patent falsifications erode people's willingness to take these matters seriously. In the long run, you are doing far more harm than good.
Please feel free to STFU!
Seconded. There are real issues, but saying "OMG teh USA is just like China!" is really not helpful. The situation is a lot more complex than that. The United States has actually done a pretty amazing job promoting free speech on some fronts- the U.S. government invented the internet after all, and private U.S. companies such as Google, Twitter, and Facebook have provided the means for people to engage in free speech. The article mentions Ethiopia trying to block Tor... well, the Tor anonymity network was actually developed by the U.S. Naval Research Laboratory.
At the same time, you have to ask where all of the technology to censor the internet is coming from in the first place. China doesn't really need any help, but for countries like Syria, Iran, and Ethiopia to monitor the internet, they need outside help. The answer is that this help comes from the west- there are companies in Silicon Valley and in Europe that are willing to sell the equipment and software needed to hack into, store, and analyze the communications of their citizens. They make a profit, and they don't ask too many questions about whether this technology might lead to the arrest and torture of dissidents.
The article mentions that Ethiopia is using Deep Packet Inspection to filter out the internet and block Tor. The question becomes, who's providing them with this technology? If we want to make a difference that's how we could do it- figure out where this technology is coming from and then apply pressure to the company selling this technology. If the companies selling this technology are held up to public scrutiny and faced with the prospect of boycotts and negative press, a lot of them will back off.
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Not true, internet in the UK blocks pirate bay and other websites that the government doesn't like. Such as child porn and the like.
If we should even have such a completely free internet is a whole other kettle of fish.
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a completely free(from a libertarian perspective) and uncensored internet connection from a plethora of ISP in the United States and the United Kingdom. [...]
Oh [torrentfreak.com], really [billboard.biz]? Please define "libertarian".
Re:WTF? (Score:4, Insightful)
[fa2k@blackhole tmp]$ wget http://thepiratebay.org/ [thepiratebay.org]
--2012-06-15 18:37:01-- http://thepiratebay.org/ [thepiratebay.org]
Resolving thepiratebay.org... 194.71.107.50
Connecting to thepiratebay.org|194.71.107.50|:80... connected.
HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 403 Forbidden
2012-06-15 18:37:01 ERROR 403: Forbidden.
[fa2k@blackhole tmp]$ traceroute thepiratebay.org
traceroute to thepiratebay.org (194.71.107.50), 30 hops max, 60 byte packets
1 192.168.1.250 (192.168.1.250) 0.312 ms 0.403 ms 0.465 ms
2 O2WirelessBox.lan (192.168.1.254) 106.684 ms 106.668 ms 106.560 ms
3 * * *
4 * * *
5 * * *
6 * * *
7 10.1.1.98 (10.1.1.98) 27.569 ms 23.957 ms 24.665 ms
8 10.1.1.101 (10.1.1.101) 26.545 ms 25.573 ms 27.624 ms
9 10.1.1.141 (10.1.1.141) 26.972 ms 24.243 ms 26.153 ms
10 10.1.2.114 (10.1.2.114) 26.168 ms 25.883 ms 24.447 ms
11 259.ge-1-2-2.mpr1.lhr3.uk.above.net (213.152.232.65) 25.520 ms 25.485 ms 25.535 ms
12 xe-4-0-0.mpr2.lhr3.uk.above.net (64.125.27.154) 26.041 ms 25.472 ms 25.535 ms
13 above-gblx.lhr3.uk.above.net (64.125.12.154) 25.629 ms 24.365 ms 26.040 ms
14 power-och-tandom-t-lane.tengigabitethernet1-3.ar1.arn3.gblx.net (208.48.1.246) 61.445 ms 64.784 ms 64.557 ms
15 gi-1-6-nano-demarc.sto1.se.portlane.net (80.67.1.42) 60.103 ms 64.794 ms 61.531 ms
16 194.68.0.202 (194.68.0.202) 67.593 ms 61.923 ms 62.026 ms
17 sthix-ge-0-2.moria-cr-1.piratpartiet.net (192.121.80.181) 59.776 ms 59.833 ms 62.935 ms
18 thepiratebay.piratpartiet.se (194.14.56.2) 63.485 ms 63.542 ms 60.908 ms
19 * * *
20 *^C
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Youre lumping vastly different situations into one bucket, throwing up your hands, and despairing.
US, UK, etc have their own censorship and "entering the 21st century" issues, but lumping them together with Ethopia and China is a pretty big stretch.
The fact that we have outlets like the Onion, Jon Stewart, and all the talking heads (Beck, OReilley, whoever else) which build their reputation on skewering powerful political figures shows you just how different we are.
If youre asking if there are any countries
Re:Devolution (Score:5, Funny)
Please hand in your Slashdot ID.
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don't worry, we'll censor the comment, and all will be normal again
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thank you
you said better than what i said in a sister comment
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GPL is needed because of Copyright laws .... an artificial monopoly
Without copyright and patents the GPL would not be necessary .... the GPL is there for something already free and open, to keep it free and open ...
The USA and UK are not perfect (by a long way) but are reasonably free ... unlike Ethiopia with most definitely is not ....
But there are freer counties, so they are definitely not the best examples of a fairly free and open system
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Wasn't Ethiopia where Obama was born? Donald Trump wants to know.
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I just noticed that where I live that apostrophes are now being censored.
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go read the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders and reference the section on Criteria for Paranoid Schizophrenia
Re:Devolution (Score:5, Funny)
Don't worry man, I'm just an advance Internet Forum Consent Engineer (tm), my assignment is Slashdot Task Force 45D, subsection truth bearer neutralization.
We are aware of the few geniuses such as yourself who have independently stumbled upon the real truth the Bilderberg Agenda (tm) has so desperately worked to keep secret, and we will not let you ruin our plans.
So I must continuously mock you so as to keep the others properly propagandized and placated.
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No!
Don't mod Insightful!
Now the Truth Bearer Neutralization Procedure (tm) is backfiring, the truth that the independent genius has uncovered about our conspiracy, it is given too much prominence!
Why Slashdot why!? Do you know what the torture chambers of the interdimensional Illuminati Lizard Kings are like?!
Oh no... I hear that unmistakeable hum now... they are coming! I've failed in my duties!
Cruel, cruel intarwebs forums!
Re:Devolution (Score:5, Interesting)
Albeit we had 2 censorship incident done via DNS blocking.
They didn't last very long, were unconstitutional and easily circumvented by replacing the DNS server address and no one was ever persecuted by circumventing the protection.
To this date, not a single charge or court order has been issued for private usage of the internet for whatever reason. The only incidents were regarding "hate speech" and rightfully so.
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You know there is a fine line between hate speech and free speech. Most of it all lately seems to be coming for campaign speeches but whatdya gonna do bout it?
ah yes, the tired typical false equivalency (Score:2, Informative)
every city in the world has a police force. in some cities the police force is corrupt and inefficient. in other cities, there's still corruption, but policing is efficient and they do their best to root out the corruption
but because you can find corruption in any police force, let's go after the very idea of police itself as unnecessary and essentially wrong
or: because they found one corrupt cop out of a mostly good police force in city X, no one in city X can criticize the completely corrupt police in cit
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i call bullshit
show me the simple political expression that the USA is blocking
is this the first case.... (Score:2)
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no
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I didn't even do that. There has been a long tradition of NOT doing that here.
No, and... (Score:5, Informative)
better idea (Score:5, Funny)
Make it look like IE6: anyone seeing that would roll their eyes and think the data belongs to a clueless grandmother.
National Security (Score:5, Funny)
National Security is a threat to National Security. Anyone who uses National Security as an excuse should be locked up to protect National Security.
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Of course, by your own argument, you should be locked up immediately!
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Hey, if it makes it so that people can't willy-nilly invoke National Security as a defense I think that's a price worth paying.
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Yo Dawg, I heard you like National Security, so we put National Security in your National Security so you can get arrested while you arrest.
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Deep Packet Inspection? Wrong. (Score:3, Informative)
"The organization notes that the ISP must be using relatively sophisticated Deep Packet Inspection to filter out this traffic."
There is zero reason people *need* to use DPI to block Tor Traffic. You simply run compatible Tor connectivity software (i.e. The Tor Client) and create a list of those users who can accept communications with you--compare the nodes on that list with nodes that are within your networks; done.
Not so simple (Score:2)
The standard ways to block Tor are:
Now who will complain about evil carriers in US? (Score:3, Interesting)
Now who will complain about evil carriers in US after you will get a perspective of what they do in Ethiopia? :-)
Jokes aside, Islam (Ethiopia has 3 times more Muslims than in 100% Muslim Somalia) prohibits prying and spying on civilians, so any snooping, any PATRIOT act, any FISA laws would be impossible under Islamic government.
They might prohibit certain services altogether to prevent spread of lewdness, but they won't spy on you.
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They might prohibit certain services altogether to prevent spread of lewdness, but they won't spy on you.
Wanna bet? If it suits their interest, they will. There is no doubt about it.
Re:Now who will complain about evil carriers in US (Score:5, Insightful)
Exactly, just like a Christian government will provide for those who cannot provide for themselves a Muslim government would never spy on anyone.
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Sincere Muslims follow Allah's laws not their own desires and materialistic interests. Truescotsman me all you want.
Re:Now who will complain about evil carriers in US (Score:5, Informative)
Wikipedia > Internet censorship by country > Pervasive censorship (the highest level) in Saudi Arabia, Yemen, Oman, Kuwait, Bahrain, Qatar, UAE, and of course, Iran.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_censorship_by_country [wikipedia.org]
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All of those countries are ruled by deviants. Iran is ruled by Shiah polytheists. Saudi Arabia rulers only pretend the obey only Allah, the rest are just plain vanilla Western lackeys.
There are only two places that follow Sharia: al-Shabab controlled territory in Somalia and Taliban controlled territory in Afghanistan and Pakistan.
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>It also says that killing an innocent person is a horrible sin
Wrong quote:
5:32
Because of that, We decreed upon the Children of Israel that whoever kills a soul
- it is as if he had slain mankind entirely.
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"They might prohibit certain services altogether to prevent spread of lewdness, but they won't spy on you."
Or say they won't...
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Jokes aside, Islam (Ethiopia has 3 times more Muslims than in 100% Muslim Somalia) prohibits prying and spying on civilians
In theory, so does the US Constitution.
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There are more Muslims percentage wise acknowledging that their governmetns do not follow Shariah, than Americans acknowledging that US government does not follow constitution.
Religion and government (Score:2)
It is easy to reinterpret or ignore religious traditions when they ge
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>but practical matters of government almost always leave religion in second place
Yes.
>Do you really think Muslim politicians are better than Christian politicians?
No, but Muslim religion is better than Christian. At least Islam has a coherent system of government rules built in.
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They might prohibit certain services altogether to prevent spread of lewdness, but they won't spy on you.
That, they can outsource to one of the thousand heathen American or European companies that will be happy to do it for them.
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It does not matter who manufactured a hammer that made a whole, it's the one who is peeking through it that gets his eye gauged.
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No, they will just lock you up on mere accusation instead of proof. Wait a minute....never mind.
how about the tourist? (Score:2)
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What are they afraid of? (Score:4, Insightful)
What are they afraid of? They are the government. Oh wait ...
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"If you can't trust the governments of the world, then who can you trust?"
(Quote from Yahoo Serious)
Waste of money (Score:4, Interesting)
Imagine the number of starving people they could feed, or development projects they could fund, with the money they channel into running computers to control the citizenry...
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Mean Time To Libertarian on /. has fallen through the floor lately.
What happens to truly disruptive tech (Score:3)
Who is providing the software and hardware for the deep filtering? Who are the scum? It's like peddling POS tablets for pedophile brothels. Who the hell is providing police state software to imprison the population?
And this is what happens when you really make a tool to end-run police states, such as the US or the UK. They make it illegal and imprison you. Ask Assange.
Re:What happens to truly disruptive tech (Score:4, Interesting)
Empirically speaking, there would appear to be a lot of competent techies who are either actively authoritarian or very good at the yuppie Nuremberg defense; because this stuff doesn't build itself, and it doesn't get built by throwing jackbooted morons at the problem...
"DPI" is standard on networking gear. (Score:2)
A preventive measure (Score:5, Funny)
so the prince can't contact people to get his money out.
UN (Score:2)
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Ethiopia is probably on the Human Rights Council of the UN, which means they are the poster children of ethical governance. You know, the seat the United States -used- to occupy that has been open for countries like Myamar, Sudan, and other wretched rat-holes to be elected in.
backwards (Score:2, Funny)
In other news out of Ethiopia: (Score:3)
*facepalm*
Re:In other news out of Ethiopia: (Score:4, Funny)
They indeed solved the problem. They have other countries take care of the humanitarian help and provide the "starving children" images so that we all give money.
It is called outsourcing.
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Abandon Hope All Ye Who Enter Here (Score:2)
Here's a plan: make your relatively poor country as inhospitable to outside investors as possible, let it spiral into despair until the people either revolt/civil war or relocate to Marklar, but, hey, *you're* still in charge.
Somebody try transmitting a treatise on game theory through their firewalls - maybe it'll end up in a report on somebody's desk. Oh, and knock the evil assholes out who implemented this firewall.
simple solution? (Score:2)
Satellite Internet? I guess Im being too simple...
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"A dinner plate!"
"Why is your dinner plate transmitting UHF at such high amplitude?"
"To keep the food warm!"
"Why is that boom sticking out of it?"
"It's a traditional tribal design!"
"Why is it hooked up to your computer?"
"Just a fancy oven!"
"It seems to be pointed at something over the equation..."
"Pure coincidence!"
Radio is not a universal solution to censorship.
I guess proper punishment is out the window (Score:5, Funny)
National Security (Score:4, Insightful)
Ethiopia, Schmethiopia...
What do you do when *your* government treads all over *your* rights in the name of "national security"?
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Im not aware of the Tea Party being a fan of big government.
Oh wait youre just trolling, carry on.
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No doubt. Cisco sells this stuff BUT they are not supposed to, to Iran, North Korea, Cuba, etc. but Saudi Arabia is wide open.