Facebook 'Likes' Aren't Protected Speech 214
An anonymous reader writes "In what may win awards for the silliest-sounding lawsuit of the year, a case about whether Facebook 'likes' qualify for free speech protection under the First Amendment has ended in a decisive 'no.' In the run-up to an election for Sheriff, some of the incumbent's employees made their support for the challenger known by 'liking' his page on Facebook. After the incumbent won re-election, the employees were terminated, supposedly because of budget concerns. The employees had taken a few other actions as well — bumper stickers and cookouts — but they couldn't prove the Sheriff was aware of them. The judge thus ruled that 'merely "liking" a Facebook page is insufficient speech to merit constitutional protection. In cases where courts have found that constitutional speech protections extended to Facebook posts, actual statements existed within the record.'"
What kind of world... (Score:5, Insightful)
On what planet is money a form of speech but indicating your support for something not?
Not surprising (Score:4, Insightful)
Decision erodes rights (Score:5, Insightful)
You can be fired for your Facebook likes, but since they don't count as free speech theoretically this means the government could regulate them.
It's an unfortunate decision that's likely to become a precedent for future cases where your free speech will be further restricted.
Re:What kind of world... (Score:1, Insightful)
On a capitalist one, apparently.
Re:Burden of proof (Score:4, Insightful)
Re:the government (Score:0, Insightful)
Wait, but the people were asking the government for help getting their jobs back...if you're on of those "gubmint is evil" republican wacko types why would this say the government is evil? It just protected a job creators rights! Isn't that would you dudes want? Job creators to rule us all with no pesky gubmint to defend anyone? In this case the government didn't do anything, how can that make it evil from a libertarian perspective? I mean isn't that what you want? The government to do nothing?
Re:Decision erodes rights (Score:0, Insightful)
Oh please. This is a slam dunk for appeal. The judge simply didn't get it.
Re:What kind of world... (Score:5, Insightful)
One which will not be upheld if it makes it to the supreme court.
Re:Burden of proof (Score:5, Insightful)
That's a feature, not a bug. Entrepreneurs are precisely the people who should bear the risks of the market, since they also get the profits. This way employees have more job security and employers have a motivation to train their employees rather than fire them and hire new ones. Both of these help stabilize the economy.
Also, there is no such thing as "market reality". The "market" is a purely social construct and as such can be altered at will. Just look at the financial industry if you don't believe me: trillions of dollars can vanish overnight, yet nothing in the physical reality changes.
Re:Burden of proof (Score:5, Insightful)
These are not "disadvantages", but the way decent society should work. The utterly unethical, immoral treatment of workers in "right-to-throw-you-out-on-a-whim" states as warm spare parts has to stop. It's not producing a healthy society I'd like my kids to grow up in. Economy is important, but it should not take precedence over a healthy society where most workers have stable careers and can afford to have families and raise children in economic security.
Re:What the hell? (Score:4, Insightful)
This is not true if you are talking about government positions, other than the military (why should they be expected to enjoy the freedoms they are supposedly dying for?).
As I am sure you know, the military holds a unique position in any government (they have the guns, and thus the ability to effect change unilaterally.) That's why we severely constrain what a soldier can do when representing himself as a soldier. In the old days, "crossing the Rubicon" was automatic treason, not an expression of freedom.
"Like" on facebook can be a misleading term. (Score:4, Insightful)
Re:Local government a petty psychotic tyranny? (Score:4, Insightful)
Re:Judges Can't Read (Score:0, Insightful)
Wait, what? (Score:4, Insightful)
Something about this story sounds completely backward in every way, and maybe someone here can explain if it's the judge, the writer/editor, or just me who is sorely confused.
First of all, insufficient to count as free speech? Have we really come so far from not only the letter but even the spirit of the First Amendment that only certain special classes of speech deserve protection from censorship, rather than (as the law literally states) all speech being completely protected, or at least (as courts have long interpreted) only certain egregiously dangerous speech, such as credible incitement to violence, deserving censorship? Is it really now no longer "is this dangerous enough to censor it?" but "is this acceptable enough to permit it?"
Second of all, who is censoring who here? Someone got fired because their boss didn't like their opinion. In a private business (see next sentence before you jump on this) that's perfectly fine; freedom of association and all that, I don't have to work for people I don't like and I shouldn't have to let people I don't like work for me either; I've quit a job in part because of the owner's political expressions, why should the other way around be any different. In this case it's a public agency so I can see some stricter rules for hiring and firing being required, but nevertheless, in any case, this is a wrongful termination issue, not a free speech issue. This is not the government telling you "you are not allowed to say X"; this is an employer saying "we won't employ people who support Y". How the hell did this become an issue of free speech at all?
Re:Burden of proof (Score:3, Insightful)
Do the Widgets really cost 1/3rd to make in country B? Or does country B simply lack enviromental and worker safety laws, thus allowing the manufacturer to shift parts of the cost to the rest of the society? Perhaps it even lacks minimum wage laws and forbids unions, thus giving the manufacturer access to slave labour, again shifting costs to other people.
It would in the best interests of country A to protect itself through the use of toll barriers, and convince as many other countries as possible to do likewise. Otherwise the Red Queen's Race it'll run is a tailspin to the bottom. We're already seeing signs of this, with both people and countries getting more and mroe in debt in a hopeless attempt to maintain a qualit of life their parents could without problems with decades-older technology.
Facts which are usually half-truths at best, and only affect anything because they're allowed to. In China's case their "market advantage" is not that they're efficient, but that they're ruled by Mao "nuclear war is winnable because only half of chinese will die in it" Zedong's heirs who'll do things like paint children's toys with lead paint. That any country allows Chinese children's toys - or any Chinese products for that matter - to be imported is due to free trade ideology, not any "market fact".