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FBI Compromises Another Remailer 164

betterunixthanunix writes "Another remailer has been compromised by the FBI, who made a forensic image of the hard disk of a remailer located in Austria. The remailer operator has reissued the remailer keys, but warns that messages previously sent through the remailer could be decrypted. The operator also warns that law enforcement agents had an opportunity to install a back door, and that a complete rebuild of the system will take some time."
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FBI Compromises Another Remailer

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  • wtf fbi (Score:4, Insightful)

    by X0563511 ( 793323 ) on Wednesday April 25, 2012 @11:05AM (#39794975) Homepage Journal

    Why the fuck are you intruding into and altering foreign systems? That's not your fucking jurisdiction or job!

    Leave that shit to the intelligence agencies, if someone must do it.

  • Re:remailer? (Score:0, Insightful)

    by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday April 25, 2012 @11:14AM (#39795117)

    So, in your view, anyone who is ignorant about a particular subject is an idiot? That makes everyone in the fucking Universe an idiot by your standard.

    He was an idiot for not searching himself? That's the fault of betterunixthanunix, who was too stupid to include a link in his summary. Nobody can know everything about every topic.

  • by 3seas ( 184403 ) on Wednesday April 25, 2012 @11:15AM (#39795129) Homepage Journal that the FBI is a criminal organization.

    Anonymous remailers are set up for reason of protection of those with information they want to get out but can as well suffer from a repressive regime, otherwise risking death if not done anonymously. Even universities of law have set such remailer up in respect of the law, ethics and democracy.

    Perhaps there is a jail cell next to Bradly available for these. Naw.... not a chance.... somebody is going to die and that will make it ok.

    What an upside down world we live in... Ready to flip it right side up?

  • Re:Crime (Score:5, Insightful)

    by v1 ( 525388 ) on Wednesday April 25, 2012 @11:23AM (#39795231) Homepage Journal

    the problem here is that the US is *known* to be storing ALL email traffic that routes through the united states. Sounds like a daunting task, but there's a reason they have all these big high security data centers all over the place and have "high security rooms" at all the telcos and large ISPs. That traffic gets siphoned off to their data centers for storage for later in case they need it. There's a simple reason why those places have petabytes of storage.

    So there is never a question of "but they'd have to have been watching for that email last week/month/year and it's long since been sent and removed from caches". No. They have it. They have them all, just in case. Watch Enemy of the State. Watch how they pull up satellite footage from hours and days ago. Same principle here, if you can record everything, it works like a time machine. (for the past anyway)

    So yes, busting down a door and taking the remailer keys gives them 100% access to 100% of the traffic that has been sent by that remailer at ANY point in the past where it crossed through a US ISP.

    The truly disgusting part of this is they got the KEYS. Technically all they NEEDED was to hand over the encrypted message to the AU authorities, they break down the door and use the key to decode the message, and turn over the message, then wipe their copy of the key. That would be the "proper" way to do it, not to abuse the system, but instead they handed over the KEYS themselves, and now the US can decrypt truckloads of hard drives of emails that they have NO business having access to. That is the true crime here. It's like having a legal reason to subpoena a safe deposit box at a bank, and the bank hands them over a master key that opens every box in the vault and lets them look through anything they want. That's just WRONG.

    Every time someone sends a bomb threat they can pull this stunt, it's like christmas over at the NSA, "we got another key! lets see what goodies we can find!" Talk about an incentive for abuse... Normally I don't go "tinfoil hat" on things, but THIS is actually an instance where I could start to buy into someone suggesting the NSA/etc forging a bomb threat just to get access to another random footlocker of encrypted data they want a peek at.

  • by Zero__Kelvin ( 151819 ) on Wednesday April 25, 2012 @12:01PM (#39795823) Homepage
    Because anonymous remailers are not designed and implemented for the use of Spammers any more than the Internet was. By your logic: Spammers use anonymous remailers so taking them down is good, and Spammers use the Internet, so taking it down is good. See the problem there?
  • Re:wtf fbi (Score:3, Insightful)

    by skywire ( 469351 ) * on Wednesday April 25, 2012 @12:18PM (#39796081)

    You are so naive. Democracy is merely the latest in a line of mechanisms used to legitimize the state in the eyes of its subjects. If one could actually change the policies of the state by "trying to convince your neighbours to vote for someone", then the ruling elite would have to turn to a new legitimization mechanism. One can hardly be held morally responsible for the acts of others over whom one does not exercise agency or coercive influence.

  • Re:wtf fbi (Score:2, Insightful)

    by Jawnn ( 445279 ) on Wednesday April 25, 2012 @01:11PM (#39796907)

    You are right that the U.S. is not a democracy but it is NOT a Democratic Republic. It's a Constitutional Republic [].

    On paper, perhaps. In reality, it is rapidly becoming a fascist republic.

  • Re:wtf fbi (Score:5, Insightful)

    by Joce640k ( 829181 ) on Wednesday April 25, 2012 @01:50PM (#39797445) Homepage

    I think local authorities might have issued a court order requiring a set of messages to be decrypted.

    Not too many people have problems with following court orders for genuine criminal investigations. It's the mass-scanning, fishing expeditions they have a problem with.

    The old KGB/Stasi bosses must be having a real laugh at the way the USA is acting lately. Read all your mail, demand papers and feel you up before you can travel anywhere, more people in prison than any other country.

    Americans used to joke about all that sort of stuff but guess what...?

  • Re:wtf fbi (Score:4, Insightful)

    by mindbuilder ( 960119 ) on Wednesday April 25, 2012 @05:11PM (#39800009)
    US law now allows the military to imprison you for life without trial. See the NDAA. or [] This was signed into law by Obama. There is an exemption for American citizens from the requirement that the military take them to Guantanamo Bay, but the exemption is only to the requirement, the military still has the OPTION to imprison you forever without trial. The law says it is only for suspected terrorists, but the law only requires suspicion, not proof, and anyone can be suspected of being a terrorist. It has been claimed that there is a requirement for one hearing before a judge but I haven't seen that in the law. It boggles my mind that Congress and Obama think it is a good idea to make it legal for the military to secretly snatch you in the middle of the night and imprison you for life without trial on mere suspicion.

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