Surveillance Cameras Used To Study Customer Behavior 126
An anonymous reader writes "Technology Review reports on a startup with software used by stores to track, count and log people captured by security cameras. Prism Skylab's technology can produce heatmaps showing where people went and produce other statistics that the company claims offer tracking and analytics like those used online for the real world. One use case is for businesses to correlate online promotions and deals — such as Groupon offers — with real world footfall and in-store behavior."
soon: citizens with rfid to be tracked by everyone (Score:4, Interesting)
its not IF but WHEN.
everyone who has an interest in 'tracking' will want to be able to ID people and know where they are.
govs want this, businesses want this, 'law' enforcement wants this.
the only people who don't are the people; and they have no power anymore in the western (or eastern!) countries.
its been said each generation, but its true here: I fear or the world our kids are going to inherit. it does not sound at all like a world I want want. I can see where things are going. Do Not Want.
Re:soon: citizens with rfid to be tracked by every (Score:5, Insightful)
I think this story illustrates that the RFID is completely unnecessary.
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I think this story illustrates that the RFID is completely unnecessary.
True story: a local tv news station was busy showing off their latest scare-piece on RFID technology some months ago. The anchor phonetically pronounced it "ar-fid". *head-shake*
Re:soon: citizens with rfid to be tracked by every (Score:4, Insightful)
You're complaining that he pronounced the acronym? That's a pretty common thing in English, at least in the last few decades.
Unless you say L-A-S-E-R, N-A-T-O, A-I-D-S and S-C-U-B-A, among others--and though I don't know you, let me say I officially doubt it--then you're really just judging somebody over his decision on where to draw the line between acronyms that should be pronounced and those that should be spelled out. Frankly I have no problem with pronouncing any acronym that pronounces smoothly. (Yes, Slashdotters, I typically pronounce "SQL" -- run in abject horror!)
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You're complaining that he pronounced the acronym? That's a pretty common thing in English, at least in the last few decades.
Unless you say L-A-S-E-R, N-A-T-O, A-I-D-S and S-C-U-B-A, among others--and though I don't know you, let me say I officially doubt it--then you're really just judging somebody over his decision on where to draw the line between acronyms that should be pronounced and those that should be spelled out. Frankly I have no problem with pronouncing any acronym that pronounces smoothly. (Yes, Slashdotters, I typically pronounce "SQL" -- run in abject horror!)
RFID is an initialism, not an acronym.
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Check out the difference between an acronym and an initialism. Do you also say "YOO-suh" (USA) or "SEE-oh" (CEO)? The examples you gave are easily (and obviously) pronounced, and most style guides will say that you can spell them with lower case letters.
I've got an aunt who used to work in sales for Oracle. She also pronounced "SQL", which baffled me, because I thought the "sequel" pronunciation was reserved for the Microsoft product. And yes, I shall now run in abject horror.
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I pronounce "USA" the same as I do "Uma" [wikipedia.org]. In doing so, I haven't confused anyone yet: "Oh look, it's made in ooh-suh!"
I also got sick of saying V-O-I-P, so I pronounce that too. Along with SAN, NAS, and a bunch of other things. The database hackers I kno
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Like a movie, sequel.
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why track by RFID when in the future, we'll likely be tracked by DNA alone. It's coming... believe me...
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Well, considering how hard they are pushing for RFID to be built into every phone as a form of contactless payment (also gets rid of cash, which they love as an idea), we'll be pretty much there in a few years. A mobile phone has become so much part of modern life that many people will still use them, no matter what tracking you stick into them.
Wouldn't surprise me if in a few years they can track everyone with a mobile phone via rfid, and perhaps even get to read their bank balance to see how good a poten
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Yup, walk into a store, your projected purchasing power (not to mention history) is overlaid on all sales and security associates glasses so they all know with just a glance if you're a customer who likes sales help, knows what they're after, just browsing, or looking for five-finger discounts.
Same thing will occur in school. Teachers and administration will get a quick graphical label of what kind of student you are.
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Ooh, dating/meat-market glasses; those'll go over well. Folks good for buying an attractive person a drink will be flagged, tramp stamps will show up on people's foreheads, etc.
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It's not as though tramp stamps are hard to spot. They're usually displayed. Inadvertently but displayed none the less.
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An Idea... (Score:2, Redundant)
When you think you may be on a security camera behave oddly.
OLD OLD news (Score:5, Informative)
Target has been doing this for many years; in house. They have had software for years which spots people who move around like a shop lifter and many years before that they kept logs of the parking lot car plates so they could ID a crook from anywhere in the store by following them back to their car. This was not widely known either... now people probably assume the parking lot has cameras but back in the 90s not so much. BTW, they are interested in ID of people by their walking gate and I would be surprised if they weren't supporting such research along with the UK.
Target also has one of the best computer forensics teams in the nation, way better than the FBI and they even do work for the government. All in house; if they didn't contract it out we'd probably not know about it.
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That sounds great! I would love that. Usually, they only bother me when I know what I want (half the time making me forget something I came in to get) and when I actually need something, they're nowhere to be found.
I have a little trick that I use. I'm pretty formidable looking, and sales people tend to avoid me. My wife on the other hand , is a whole lot more presentable than me. So we do the old trick of standing off to the side, then when the helpful guy salesman stops to ask her if she needs anything, I step in and ask the questions.
We do the same where I leave work. There is a busy intersection where I have to wait fifteen minutes sometimes for someone to let me out. I have her drive when I can, because just a
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Interesting. I was doing some Christmas shopping out of season, basically wandering around aimlessly. A security guard type walked from the employees only area straight to me, on the other side of the store, and asked me if I needed any help.
I just looked at him and said, "No?" with a question mark, implying "And why do you ask?" The response was something like "Well if you need help with someone, you can ask me or anyone else out here."
I said, "I used to work here, in this very store, you'd think I wou
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Facial recognition? (Score:2)
So they identifying the people and sending them personal targeted spam? ( after they confirm your bank balance of course )
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If you *steel* a food, you have bigger issues.
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Why shouldn't you prepare your food for the difficult process of being digested?
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So its time for a makeover [ahprojects.com].
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I think that might attract non-machine attention though, when they tell their security guards to turn away clowns and Lady Gaga impersonators. ;)
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"Smithers! He's standing in front of the coors beer cooler! Quick, send him SMS spam for miller!"
The outrage... (Score:4, Insightful)
You got to admit it is pretty cool use of computer science....
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You got to admit it is pretty cool use of computer science....
I do not because it is not.
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Using Video Cameras to Optimize Store Layouts
but instead they used words like "tracking" and "surveillance. I think it's a really cool problem: creating software that uniquely identifies a person in your store and sees how they interact with your floorplan. It'd be even cooler if the software could generate a better floorplan using that information and made it easier for people to move about and naturally tend toward the places you'd like them to go. I know you hate being m
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there's something exciting about seeing a blunt striking tool result in a consciousness change in human behavior
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Optimization, of course, means to place the most desired items in the back of the store while making the easiest paths to reach it pass by high velocity items to encourage impulse buying.
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You got to admit it is pretty cool use of computer science....
No, we don't. I had the opportunity upon completion of my degree in computer science to go work for the NSA. I chose not to because I don't believe that's a "cool" use of my ability. Similarly, the work being done here is by people with dubious ethics.
I suppose that you'd think that malware is a "cool" use of computer science as well because of all the work and research that goes into producing it?
--Jeremy
Mind reader? (Score:2)
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Are you ready for some Footfall? (Score:4, Interesting)
Football? What?, oh wait, misread. Someone tell me I'm not alone in that error.
At the end of the day does this yield better results than counting sales at the close of business?
More complicated results, perhaps, but after analyzing traffic patterns all day long studying dwell time at displays, does it really yield anything useful that the store owner can actually act upon, re-arranging the displays, etc?
And if they do act on the data, it will almost certainly be to benefit one product area vs another. Will there be any net gain for the store as a whole?
Won't wholesalers with clout demand the data and push hard for the best locations or shelving decisions? If you have data, you are going to be forced to share it sooner or later, and when everyone is rushing past the Laptop counters to get to the TV display area, is there anything short of re-arranging the store you can do about it? Won't Dell, HP, and Apple, insist on being on the high traffic routes? Didn't the store owner just lose control?
And at the end of the day, is it different in any way from just tallying sales ?
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You have little to no idea of exactly how this data is sliced and diced.
A lot of fashion type stores are completely reset each season just to correct for WHAT IS BEING BOUGHT NOW
Tech type stores often times move entire sections just to fix traffic issues.
You want to get a "featured item" type display in a store?? Your cost (on a per square foot) will vary according to where in the store you want to be placed You want to be in the first several feet of the store?? Near cash wrap (as an impulse item)?? expect
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Yes, the big wholesalers can demand (and get) better shelf space. And the 'store owner' never had control to begin with. This is for big box chains. BestBuy/Target/OfficeMax dictate to the store manager where things go. Changed weekly, if necessary.
And this data is aggregated over regions, not just 'a store'.
"When the snow shovels are on the right of the store entra
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Exactly my point.
This is well known already in big store chains, and probably this method costs just as much.
Most big stores don't care how much time you spend in the store (as long as you don't consume a sales clerk's time), and the longer you spend the more likely you are to buy. They know how to place impulse items, and have been doing that well since the Pleistocene. They know exactly how well their advertising works.
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BestBuy/Target/OfficeMax dictate to the store manager where things go.
I'm not sure about your examples, but that's not the case for Costco, at least for food.
I used to work for a food manufacturer who's biggest customer was Costco. On of the constant drumbeats for our merchandisers was to push the store manager (the manager of that section of the store, not the GM) for more/better shelf space. "Did we get the End Cap? Are they giving us more space for the salads?" Some of this was dictated from higher levels (and the company would exert what pressure they could on the Cos
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Yes.
More complicated results, perhaps, but after analyzing traffic patterns all day long studying dwell time at displays, does it really yield anything useful that the store owner can actually act upon, re-arranging the displays, etc?
Yes.
Won't wholesalers with clout demand the data and push hard for the best locations or shelving decisions?
No.
If you have data, you are going to be forced to share
Notice to all Slashdotters (Score:5, Funny)
The Hentai row in the comic book store isn't as private as you think it is.
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That's why God created amazon.com.
Re:Notice to all Slashdotters (Score:4, Funny)
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I was assuming the OP meant people are embarrassed to be *seen* buying stuff like that in person. It was also sort of a joke, but, you know... (kicks pebble)
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That's why God created amazon.com.
Jeff Bezos is God?
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In your universe, maybe. Who's to say we don't all create our own universi when consciousness develops?
Not seeing a problem here. (Score:2)
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Doubtless there will be volumous FUD in relation to this technology, however I don't see there being a problem here.
Whether it's FUD or not depends completely on the balance of the risk/benefit analysis in terms of deploying it in this society. Given that the overall attitude of the known players both in government and corporate management is that technology of this kind is for their benefit and not ours (however much the corporate management may claim otherwise!), it's kind of a nice fantasy to believe that something that invasive will only ever be used to make the customer experience better. It probably will, but onl
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Its always the Image Processing People... (Score:1, Interesting)
no more wandering! (Score:2)
Possible Abuse Pattern (Score:4, Insightful)
step 1: observe correlation: the more time people spend in your store, the more they buy
step 2: optimize placement of stuff so that people stay longer in store
step 3: profit!
side effect: waste time of peoples' time.
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You listed step 2. Now it'll never work. It's like having a 999,999:1 or a 1,000,001:1 chance - those never work either.
As a marketer... (Score:4, Interesting)
Besides, when doing observation studies the point is not to disturb consumers so they are usually done from a surveillance room or such to monitor consumers movements. Marketers are very seldom interested in individual interactions but when consumers do stand out from the norm it's good to have the possibility to interact with said consumer.
I see this as a possible solution for very large shopping centers and their likes but I don't think there's anything special about this thing in particular.
Someone please explain the problem with this (Score:1)
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How is this different from hiring low-paid staff to log traffic and follow suspicious looking people?
The difference is that a human worker can't follow everyone around 24/7 and watch their every move like cameras can. This results in a much greater loss of privacy (yes, yes, privacy in a public setting) for more people. Hiring people to follow others around takes quite a bit of time and resources, and they can't be everywhere at once.
But you either have privacy or you don't (Score:1)
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Maybe I should have just said that tracking becomes much more simple and effective. You really don't have much privacy in a public setting, but usually someone isn't constantly watching you when you're in a specific area, or recording your every move (unlike a human).
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Are you suggesting that there are people who live in Best Buy stores? I have not heard of this. I thought this article was talking about tracking customers who voluntarily go into a private business.
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No, I wasn't. I simply told about the difference between hiring a worker to follow someone around and using cameras to track people. Change the "24/7" to something else, if you want.
In short: tracking people is much easier and more effective.
That said, I'm really not a fan of cameras being everywhere (I see them as almost pointless). You may voluntarily visit a business, but if the cameras are everywhere, your options are severely limited.
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Doesn't work now (Score:2)
Considering the number of times I go into a store to where I think the product I want should be, only to find it doesn't exist (empty shelves), not in my size (I'm not a hippo), or ugly color (brown is not a fashion statement), and repeat this month after month, I can assure you retailers don't care about their customers.
If they did, they would see people like me leaving empty handed and make changes. The fact that I go into the same stores and get the same results (insanity I know), shows no matter how tec
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If they did, they would see people like me leaving empty handed and make changes.
How do they know what to change? Unless they've tracked you through the store to see where you go, see you shaking your head in dissappointment while standing in front of a shelf of wrong-sized items, and then done some biometrics to determine which size it is that they are missing that would make you happy, they have no idea why you left empty-handed. Maybe you realized you left your wallet in the car. Maybe you are just comparison shopping today and will come back tomorrow to buy a dozen of the things t
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Hmmm... sold out of preferred item, in your size, and colors you'd find acceptable? Sounds like they're doing ok and just don't stock around your schedule.
solution (Score:3)
Stay home. Buy online.
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>>Stay home. Buy online.
>... and be tracked by Google and other companies' cookies.
It's not a perfect solution.
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Three years of this and Amazon won't even bother waiting for you to place your orders, the page will just popup 'Based on purchase history, we have boxed the following and just await confirmation to deliver them to your door in 3 hours.'
Five years from now, it will be fraud if you aren't home in three hours to receive your package.
This would be news... in 2008 (Score:1)
Not surprising (Score:2)
Online stores have been doing it all along and many stores track customer habits using discount cards. It was only a matter of time until technology caught up to track in store behavior.
Book - Brandwashed: Tricks Companies Use To... (Score:1)
You've been brainwashed (Score:1)
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But, but, DogDude might be a weak-willed git and susceptible to Amazon's siren song.
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Useful but... (Score:1)
Big Brother has gone private sector. (Score:2)
He may have gotten his start in the public realm, but he's sure gone private these days.
Of course, that doesn't mean that this sort of technology won't be used for other purposes eventually. Since we already have thought [slashdot.org] crime [slashdot.org], the next step will be to wire these things us to cameras on the street [boston.com].
Yeah, it sounds tin foil hat to me too - or would, if I hadn't experienced the changes over the last few decades.
cell phone tracking shoppers already done (Score:4, Informative)
This is new? (Score:2)
News or Press Release? (Score:2)
list? (Score:2)
Anyone know if there is a list of the stores that implement this or plan to so those of us who don't wish to be tracked and don't trust their "we totally won't abuse this and care about your privacy" lies can vote with our wallets?
minimizing labor costs (Score:2)
I read the responses so far and none mentioned probably the biggest analytical factor, minimizing labor costs (in form of salespeople / managers) while retaining maximum sales, hard as it is to believe for those that see very little sales help when needed.
Chains have been analyzing store traffic for a number of years with a combination of movement detectors and / or surveillance cameras. Shoppertrak was a major vendor. I wrote an app system for a large retailer correlating Shoppertrak customer counts, cash
Lighthaus also does this (Score:2)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HWT5ZJG7CRg [youtube.com]
http://www.lighthausvci.com/ [lighthausvci.com]
Lighthaus does this too. Go by a major sports team/shoe store in your local mall and you'll see an IP camera above the main door pointed straight down. The computer watches which angle you enter the store at, what display you head toward and how long you linger at the entrance. The info isn't even seen by the store manager, it goes right to corporate.
Its useless for an average shop owner (Score:1)
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Dave: HAL, open the childproof cap on these pills!
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Management puts up more lingerie/tire ads in areas husbands congregate.
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With easy-to-follow path around store.