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Canadian SOPA Could Target YouTube 231

bs0d3 writes "The music industry is seeking over a dozen changes to Canadian anti-piracy bill C-11, including website blocking, Internet termination for alleged repeat infringers, and an expansion of the "enabler" provision that is supposedly designed to target pirate sites. Meanwhile, the Entertainment Software Association of Canada also wants an expansion of the enabler provision along with further tightening of the already-restrictive digital lock rules. It's concerning that some of these expansions will create a risky situation for legitimate websites, as SOPA did in the U.S. Michael Geist outlines the legal history and complications here."
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Canadian SOPA Could Target YouTube

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  • Oh, Canada (Score:5, Insightful)

    by elrous0 ( 869638 ) * on Wednesday January 25, 2012 @03:59PM (#38821589)

    Looks like the citizens of every country are going to have to stay on careful guard these days. When the music industry loses in one country, they just shift focus to another for a while (then later try to sneak back in under the radar where they lost). I guess they're hoping they have the money to wait everyone out. Sadly, they may be right.

    Couldn't someone start a rumor that this bill is anti-French? At least that would get Quebec to come out against it. Of course, that's a pretty dubious ally. But you take what you can get.

  • you know (Score:5, Insightful)

    by masternerdguy ( 2468142 ) on Wednesday January 25, 2012 @04:03PM (#38821627)
    So it isn't just American stupidity then folks. Quit claiming your countries are so much more just and infallible.
  • Re:Oh, Canada (Score:5, Insightful)

    by jamstar7 ( 694492 ) on Wednesday January 25, 2012 @04:09PM (#38821721)
    Typical MAFIAA tactics. If you get stepped on at home, go overseas and push your laws through, then come back to the US and push again, with the added excuse of 'This just gets us parity with $COUNTRY_X's laws. We need this to stay on parity with our treaties with them' and it goes through.

    The SOPA war is far from over. Hell, we're just now seeing the openning skirmishes. Why doesn't the MAFIAA just come out and say 'All yer IP is belong to us' already and be done with it?
  • Re:you know (Score:5, Insightful)

    by quacking duck ( 607555 ) on Wednesday January 25, 2012 @04:18PM (#38821795)

    "We" voted the fundamentalist Conservative party into majority last year. Probably the ONLY reason bad laws weren't passed the last five years is they'd been kept in check with a minority. Infallible? Canada? Hah!

    There's no stopping this crap bill or ACTA this time. The next federal election is 3 years away, people will have forgotten this by then (assuming they haven't been locked up in the new mega-prisons thanks to an massive crime and punishment bill that even Texas Republicans said was unworkable, having tried the same thing themselves and failed miserably).

  • Idiots! (Score:5, Insightful)

    by Tyr07 ( 2300912 ) on Wednesday January 25, 2012 @04:22PM (#38821825) Homepage

    You can't FORCE people to buy your product. You need to make your product desirable to buy!

    Half the industry in any sector is doing this now. We're tired of being ripped off by paying to watch crappy movies, buy an entire CD when only one song is good, buy a video game to play it for five minutes then realize it sucks and so fourth. Demos are virtually gone, trailers are misleading, prices are higher out here for everything.

    There have been movies streamed off the net I've watched. I was bored and had nothing to do. You assume I would buy it, some of these movies are TERRIBLE and I would have never bought it in the first place. I'd just find something else to do. You keep assuming any person who ever watched or listened to your content would have immediately bought it giving you $$$. You're wrong, so wrong.

    I've played video games before buying them, like Mass Effect. After that I immediately bought it, and the second one as soon as it came out, and will immediately buy the 3rd as soon as it comes out too. That's because it was a quality product and I loved it.

    I did the same thing with Starcraft 2, played it at a friends, loved it, bought it. I didn't buy it at release because I wasn't sure if I'd enjoy it.

    I still haven't purchased SWTOR because I don't know if it's that good, I saw a few videos, haven't played it. For the cost versus time playing it, not worth it to me right now.

    If I could play the first few levels to try it out and see if I like it, I might buy it. I work for my bloody money and I'm tired of every single person thinking their product is so good that they deserve some of my money!

    So many artists would be ignored, people would not buy their music, or listen to it that much, watch movies by directors, go out to theater, recommend it to other people if the restrictions where always 100% you have to get some of my money before I get to know if it's worth it.

    People would just do other things more and spend less time with digital media.

    Actually, this could be doing society a FAVOR, we'll stop giving as much money to these corporations, spend more time at bars socializing or going to events.
    Then we'd spend less money on huge TV's since we use it less, less on hard drives to store media, less on monitors.

    I'm not saying it'd kill the industry, but they have this magic preconception that suddenly sales would super boom. They forget that people are strangled by high rents, gas prices and low wage jobs and that's a big chunk of why their crap isn't selling.

  • Re:Oh, Canada (Score:5, Insightful)

    by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday January 25, 2012 @04:29PM (#38821897)

    The companies which are members of the music and film industry associations of America like to hide behind their RIAA and MPAA acronyms. Turnabout is fair play.

  • Re:Oh, Canada (Score:5, Insightful)

    by Nadaka ( 224565 ) on Wednesday January 25, 2012 @04:32PM (#38821935)

    That is completely ignoring the fact that media companies grew directly out of the real mafia that ran saloons, music halls, theaters and "distribution" (trucking).

  • Re:Oh, Canada (Score:5, Insightful)

    by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday January 25, 2012 @04:37PM (#38822005)

    Troll much?

    Quebec voted against the current Conservative government. We massively voted for the NPD, which is a party more interested in social issues and the people. The current party in power who's not listening to Canadian wasn't voted in by Quebec, it was voted in by the rest of Canada. Shocking EH! As a French speaker, born in Montreal, I can tell you that I dislike the "Office de la langue Française" and how they are obcess with protecting the french language and the culture. But who gives a fuck about that, this isn't what C-11 is about.

    Seriously, modify your comments with black or jewish people instead of Quebec and ask yourself if you sound too much like a biggot. In Quebec, just like with the rest of Canada, we have protests about stuff that concerns all of us. We had the occupy movements in some of our cities, we had protests against being in Irak. Maybe you live in this world where Quebec is a bunch of separatists who don't care about the rest of Canada or the world, and if so, you've fallen in a bad stereotype, because that's not the case. If it was the case, Quebec wouldn't be part of Canada still, our provincial government wouldn't be the Liberals and we wouldn't have such a diverse culture from all over the world.

    So, I hope you'll be more careful in the future, not just about Quebec, but about all cultures and all nations all over the world. Racist comments have no place in this day and age.

  • Do we all realize (Score:4, Insightful)

    by future assassin ( 639396 ) on Wednesday January 25, 2012 @04:38PM (#38822013) Homepage

    with out media companies there is no threat to the internet?

  • except (Score:5, Insightful)

    by unity100 ( 970058 ) on Wednesday January 25, 2012 @04:42PM (#38822065) Homepage Journal

    that you exported your shit over there. your idiocy in your own country allowed the private interests to set up a globe spanning racketeering operation.

  • Re:Oh, Canada (Score:5, Insightful)

    by AngryDeuce ( 2205124 ) on Wednesday January 25, 2012 @04:50PM (#38822153)

    Except the MAFIAA designation implies more than just one *AA group, and has thus come to refer to all the member of the media cartels. The "Micro$oft terminology" only referenced one company and was actually harder to type than their actual name.

    I prefer to simply say MAFIAA, rather than RIAA, MPAA, Business Software Alliance (BSA), Entertainment Software Alliance (ESA), and all the other organizations that have come out in support of SOPA []. It may have started out as a jab, but for most, it's come to be representative of the supporters of this crap as a whole outside of the negative connotations of the name.

  • Re:you know (Score:3, Insightful)

    by jamstar7 ( 694492 ) on Wednesday January 25, 2012 @05:00PM (#38822263)
    Hate to say, this is American stupidity, shipped North for your (non-)viewing pleasure.

    Sorry bout that, but I didn't send them North.
  • by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday January 25, 2012 @05:22PM (#38822503)

    Look into the history of the top Canadian Conservative Party players. Not the vast majority of Cons that are no more than potted plants, or seals trained to bark and clap for their masters. From the politicians to the apparatchiks to the guys in the third party non-profits, you'll find that the key people are all close to the Republicans.

    They've worked under the top republican spinmasters, the top republican spinmasters have worked under them. They've helped campaign for republicans in the US, then come back to implement the dirty tricks and lying, spinning, right wing corporate PR complex up north.

    So if you guys could have kept all your fascists and their fascist training on your side of the border, that would've been great.

  • Re:Oh, Canada (Score:4, Insightful)

    by Samantha Wright ( 1324923 ) on Wednesday January 25, 2012 @05:33PM (#38822619) Homepage Journal
    Country Approximately North of America and Dozens of Additional Areas?
  • Re:Oh, Canada (Score:5, Insightful)

    by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday January 25, 2012 @05:54PM (#38822851)

    The mafia was involved in music distribution until very recently. Now that the Soviet Union is gone the US government doesn't need the mafia to control unions and bust commie heads so they have cracked down and weakened the mob. But I assure you until the collapse of the Soviet Bloc the mafia controlled music. Have you ever heard of these clauses in music contracts that allow the label to deduct some percent of your sales for "breakage in shipping"? Yes, even in the digital age this mafia era clause still gets in your contract unless you have a good lawyer. I agree with you that "MAFIAA" is kind of juvenile. I prefer the term "media cartels" because it is both technically accurate and an allusion to their criminal past both as mobbed up shipping companies and patent violating movie studios.

  • Re:you know (Score:4, Insightful)

    by quacking duck ( 607555 ) on Wednesday January 25, 2012 @06:07PM (#38822975)

    The only reason we held out was because the parties in power at the time (Liberal and Conservative both) were minority governments. Twice, copyright reform bills died when the government fell and an election was called. Last time, the Conservatives knew an election was coming and "listened" to the public outcry and shelved the bill, to give people one less bullet point against them.

    Then they got a majority. There'll be no stopping them this time.

  • Re:Oh, Canada (Score:5, Insightful)

    by elrous0 ( 869638 ) * on Wednesday January 25, 2012 @06:11PM (#38823009)

    borderline racist

    French is a race now?

    And why was I not told?!?!?

  • Re:Oh, Canada (Score:2, Insightful)

    by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday January 25, 2012 @06:23PM (#38823127)

    Because, here, the party with a majority can pass anything, there are no levels to restrain a majority party (unless the party falls apart and the party Whip makes sure that doesn't happen).

    Canada does really well as long as we have a benevalent leader, but if we don't, then we are screwed. The alternative is for us to have minority governments where they can't pass a law without working with another party; this is what we have had for the past while and so a lot of draconian laws could not be passed/implemented without toppling the government and forcing an election and thus the minority government couldn't really push anything (see WikiLeaks about Canada for a bunch of laws that were "put off" because of this). However, now that we have a party with a majority they can not use the minority issue to delay and thus those laws are coming our way and there is little-to-nothing a regular person can do to stop it :(

    As an aside, I don't think it would have mattered who won the majority here, Liberals, Conservatives, or even NDP; any party that got a majority would be bringing all this shit in since it is being directed from outside our country and by corporations within it that can use it to their own advantage. Wikileaks has a bunch of leaks showing that all the parties were toeing the US line for almost everything....


  • Re:Oh, Canada (Score:5, Insightful)

    by Forbman ( 794277 ) on Wednesday January 25, 2012 @08:07PM (#38823943)

    No, it's not. The MPAA & RIAA (aka "MAFIAA") are practicing a form of legalized racketeering, bribery, intimidation, etc. Except rather than having thick-necked goons do the enforcement late at night, they're using slick attorneys and lobbyists to abstract away the dirty work from their hands to the government's.

    The "Rule of Law" argument is really nice and all, especially when you're writing all the rules.

    Remember, all the seizures of arts in France by the Nazis was "legal", too.

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