Crowdsourced List of SOPA Supporters 180
Fraser Cain writes "GoDaddy listened to reason, and reversed their position on SOPA. Here's a crowdsourced list of every other company supporting SOPA with web address, Twitter feed, contact emails and phone numbers. Perhaps they should be contacted to find out if they still fully support SOPA, or have changed their mind."
Google Docs? (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:Google Docs? (Score:4, Informative)
I just copied the names, because the contact information is being updated, but for what it's worth here:
http://piratenpad.de/c3ADz3hTxY
Re:Google Docs? (Score:5, Informative)
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AmGJz_37ojoqdFZhYlBhN2hQOGRoN2R0ZGh3VDZlblE&pli=1#gid=0 [google.com]
Whoever posted the article did so with the login as part of the link,
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Whoever posted the article did so with the login as part of the link
Just shows that timothy doesn't open any article submitted.
BTW the link submitted by AC at the same time is better - it's html - the google docs link pops up error messages (seriously, Google, 2011???) when I open it.
Html link:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/pub?key=0AmGJz_37ojoqdFZhYlBhN2hQOGRoN2R0ZGh3VDZlblE&output=html [google.com].
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"I crack me up sometimes" - Maverick
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Notice the huge over representation of Photographers in the list.
I doubt these companies have much of a market cap or are even publicly traded. It seems like some trade association got a ton of them to sign a petition without even considering the impact. They are probably simply Mom and Pop shops that every town has.
Re:Google Docs? (Score:5, Informative)
The document is public, no sign-in required. Or that's what Google says at least.
If that's the case, they are lying. All I get is a sign in page.
Re:Google Docs? (Score:5, Informative)
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/pub?key=0AmGJz_37ojoqdFZhYlBhN2hQOGRoN2R0ZGh3VDZlblE&output=html
This should be a truly public version of the sheet, read-only though.
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It is NOT public in incognito at the link posted in the story. Nor in Firefox Private Browsing.
If it seems so for you, its because you've some how destroyed your incognito window anonymity by logging in somewhere along the line, either in the past, or in the current session.
This link works in Incognito https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/pub?key=0AmGJz_37ojoqdFZhYlBhN2hQOGRoN2R0ZGh3VDZlblE&output=html [google.com]
but the story link does not.
Listened to reason? (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:Listened to reason? (Score:4, Informative)
If this passes, I could shut down Makezine. They lifted some of my photos and included them in one of their on-line issues. How many times have you blogged about something and lifted a photo? This is a copyright violation just the same as if you shared a recent film.
No complaints on Makezine though. I would have given permission if they asked. They didn't ask, so they don't have permission. I'm picking on them for example only.
This is how dangerous this law is. I could shut down Makezine for copyright violations if this passes as I am the copyright owner of some images posted there.
http://makezine.com/ [makezine.com]
If this passes, they need to be very careful about what they post that is submitted by users.
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As I understand it, SOPA will only apply to non-US-controlled domains; those which ICE et al can't just seize. .com and .net would be safe from SOPA (Verisign is a US company), but others like .org, .se, .uk, .tv would not be so excluded.
So
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As I understand it, SOPA will only apply to non-US-controlled domains; those which ICE et al can't just seize. .com and .net would be safe from SOPA (Verisign is a US company), but others like .org, .se, .uk, .tv would not be so excluded.
So
Ha-ha-ha -ha, Whew that's good. Next you'll say the Patriot Act is about fighting terrorism.
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I don't think it was even bad publicity. It was the mass exodus of paying customers. My transfer request took almost 12 hours to get through their system when it was suggested it would happen in less than an hour. That tells me they're getting completely slammed with customers walking away from them.
GoDaddy Still Supports SOPA (Score:5, Interesting)
GoDaddy didn't reverse their position at all. They are still in support of SOPA. Here is the CEO refusing to come out against the bill:
http://gizmodo.com/5870920/brave-godaddy-ceo-says-hes-neither-for-nor-against-sopa [gizmodo.com]
Re:GoDaddy Still Supports SOPA (Score:5, Interesting)
100% right. And we can get a good guess where their policy is coming from when we see that Christine Jones has this on her Blog [rudysyndrome.com], undersigned in her role as general counsel and corporate secretary of GoDaddy.com
The debate about the contents of this bill, and its companion bill in the Senate, the PROTECT IP Act, has been heated in recent weeks, as companies within the Internet ecosystem have rallied to lobby against the passage of legislation which might hold us accountable.
That myopic view has never been shared by Go Daddy.
The boycott of Go Daddy should not stop until at least Christine has been fired.
Re:GoDaddy Still Supports SOPA (Score:4, Informative)
WIKIPEDIA BOYCOTTS GODADDY,
LOBBYING AGAINST SOPA,
PLANS ONLINE PROTEST POTENTIALLY INCLUDING PARTIAL BLACKOUT
Jimbo Wales:
I am proud to announce that the Wikipedia domain names will move away from GoDaddy.
Current protest proposal:
* Triggering event: When SOPA has passed committee and is scheduled for a floor vote in either the House or Senate. The banner runs for the week before the vote, and switches to the blackout on the day before.
* Scope: Response is geotargeted to United States IP addresses only
* Duration: Maximum of 7 days for banner component, maximum of 24 hours for blackout component. Blackout is triggered on the business day before the vote. If the vote is on a Monday, blackout runs for 24 hours starting Friday.
* Action (banner): Banners encourage people to contact their Senators and Representatives (priority given to whichever is urgent, House or Senate).
o To the maximum extent possible, readers are given instant information on how they can take action. Campaign is designed to mobilize the public maximally.
o The focus is on generating high-value congressional contacts (phone calls and in-person contacts vs letters or emails)
o A VOIP-based callback system (such as the one used recently by tumblr) is an option if we can find one that fits our needs and allows us to remain acceptably independent.
o Banners operate like the fundraising banners (served via CentralNotice, can be closed per-user, etc).
* Action (blackout): All requests are answered with a black page. The page is semi-protected Wikitext. Once the page is displayed, a cookie is set which prevents its display again. Exact wording to be decided, but it hits the following points:
o SOPA puts Wikipedia, and the rest of the free Internet, at risk
o You can help by contacting your representative and senators (with maximally easy help with ways to do that)
o A "Learn more about SOPA" link which points to the relevant article on the English Wikipedia
o A "Why am I seeing this" link which points to a page detailing the process for reaching this consensus
o A link to click through to the originally requested page
o "You will only see this page once"
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Wikipedia:Village_pump_(proposals)#Coordinated_SOPA_reaction_in_early_2012_RfC [wikipedia.org]
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Ethi... ethi...I'm sorry, I can't find that word in my MBA dictionary, what does it mean?
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what does it mean?
It means "lower profits" and/or "less competitive."
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Ah. Well, why the hell would any corporation want to have anything to do with that?
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And I hate you for making me defend that idiot in charge of GoDaddy.
Re:STOP SOCIALISM AND SUPPORT SOPA! (Score:5, Funny)
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some prophet! the fish and bread tasted of toner. blech! ...and next time, never mind about the myhrr.
LVMH (Score:3, Funny)
no $1000 handbag for my wife now.
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no $1000 handbag for my wife now.
All of the major fashion houses are for SOPA due to knock-offs diluting their brands. See Dolce & Gabbana and others on this list.
Of course you can't dilute the Louis Vuitton brand any more than they have with their tacky monogram logo plastered all over everything, but that's an argument for another time.
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they did that because then they can use trademark law as there isn't copywrite protections on fashion items yet.Having your company logo all over means you can sue for trademark infringement.
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they will abuse it to eliminate knockoffs and legitimate competition alike.
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GoDaddy did *not* reverse position (Score:5, Informative)
They said they will simply take a less forward stance (less openly pro-SOPA). They definitely did not change course.
crowdsourced (Score:5, Insightful)
"Perhaps they should be contacted to find out if they still fully support SOPA, or have changed their mind."
...or ever supported it to begin with. Anyone on the planet can add a company to this list with no confirmation that it's true. And there's nothing to prevent anyone from deleting companies. Sounds like a great mechanism to slander or harass innocent companies, and one that's oh-so-easy to sabotage by someone who supports SOPA. Good luck with this.
Re:crowdsourced (Score:5, Insightful)
Interesting. If it's "slander" to say Company X supports SOPA, then it must be a very heinous bill indeed.
I get your point: That there's no proof of fact-checking, and I can't find a single person among my associates, friends or family that doesn't detest SOPA; However, a company's name mistakingly placed on a list of entities for or against any bill shouldn't equate to slander. If being associated with the bill in any way is cause for libel, then who could ever support or create it in the first place?
Although I'm not aware of any individuals who are for SOPA, I don't doubt their existence. Would not being incorrectly placed on the list of SOPA supporters have a positive effect in this regard? Are you not also assuming a false dichotomy, of those who are for and those against SOPA?
What of those, like me, who realize they are too disenfranchised to give a damn either way? I'm against SOPA and other such bills that rob us of personal rights, but you must realize that government and corporations by and large wants this to pass. This SOPA or a bill like it WILL pass eventually. The sooner the better.
Not until the common people feel the jack-boot of oppression at their own throats will they have the resolve to rally in opposition to this and other such corruptions of power.
(Undoing a mod to post this)
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It isn't about someone mistakenly putting a name on the list, it is about someone purposefully putting a name on the list. Slander is when you say something you know is not true. Someone could spend all day putting Slashdot on that list and X amount of people are going to see it. Some will eventually learn the truth, but there will always be those who forever think Slashdot supported SOPA.
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"Slander is when you say something you know is not true. "
Under US law it's an untrue statement that's either known to be false, or made with reckless disregard for the truth. If I inserted Geeknet into the list in an effort to cost them business that's a known falsehood. Publishing the list with their name but without confirming it is (arguably) reckless disregard for the truth. Either would be slander.
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Not until the common people feel the jack-boot of oppression at their own throats will they have the resolve to rally in opposition to this and other such corruptions of power.
You've obviously never lived in South America or Africa, or in the Germany of the 1930s and 1940s. Sure there is the Arab Spring and the Resistance, but asking people to be tortured and killed to prove a point I think is a bit much. Maybe we should try to stop the Bullshit before it goes to far instead of just letting it happen, which is what the moderates did in Germany: appeasement and pandering to the Right Wing of the Nazi movement and the corporations that financially supported and encouraged the Nazis
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This SOPA or a bill like it WILL pass eventually. The sooner the better.
How's that?
By the same logic would you also agree that: "You will die eventually anyway. The sooner the better"?
I certainly wouldn't, but I do enjoy living and would like to continue doing so for as long as that remains true.
Re:crowdsourced (Score:5, Insightful)
Anyone on the planet can add a company to this list with no confirmation that it's true. And there's nothing to prevent anyone from deleting companies. Sounds like a great mechanism to slander or harass innocent companies, and one that's oh-so-easy to sabotage by someone who supports SOPA. Good luck with this.
Amusingly enough, that is how SOPA is designed to work.
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Didn't this all start when Congress published a list of the SOPA supporters? That's hardly just "anyone".
Sucks to be an american (Score:5, Funny)
Sung to the tune of Lee Greenwood's "Proud to be an American"
"Sucks to be an American"
[Verse]
If tomorrow all my posts were gone I'd created all my life,
And I had to start again under a lawsuit filled with strife.
I'd curse my karma to be living here today,
'Cause congress sold the flag of freedom
And the corporations took it away.
[Chorus]
It sucks to be an American
Where we have Fox News on TV
My girl can't sing a cover of Brittney Spears
Because SOPA's censored she,
They issued a take down, and sued my family
For 15 million bucks,
Cause there ain't no doubt congress sold this land,
And SOPAs just one way.
[Verse]
From the Sony lakes of Minnesota, to the Disney hills of Tennessee
Across the plais of RCA Texas, from company to company.
From multinational owned Detroit and Houston and L.A,
There's fear in every American heart
And it's time we stand and say:
[Chorus]
It sucks to be an American
Where we have Fox News on TV
My girl can't sing a cover of Brittney Spears
Because SOPA's censored she,
They issued a take down, and sued my family
For 15 million bucks,
Cause there ain't no doubt congress sold this land,
And SOPAs just one way.
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(Hopefully this wont get /. a take down notice!)
They will, eventually.
It sucks to be an American
Don't worry; once this abortion of a bill passes in the States, America Junior (Canada) will implement their own version, with the EU to follow closely behind.
Autodesk (Score:5, Interesting)
Considering Autodesk actually stands to gain a little by allowing individual pirates to use their software (ie hobbyists who cant afford outrageous fees) , I am surprised to see them on this list. I would also be surprised to see adobe on here, but gladly they are not.
Large communities surround 3D studio max, Maya, and Mudbox. The likelihood they paid for the software is minimal, and the likelihood they make content that generates revenue is even smaller. But! They also become the back bone to an industry of artists who DO create revenue generating content. Allowing younger individuals to use this software builds, how ever silly, alliances to that software and in turn probable profit for Autodesk down the line.
I would like to hear arguments against this position though.
Thoughts?
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I would like to hear arguments against this position though.
Simple: Autodesk would rather force people to go to a trade school, community college, or university to learn how to use their products, since schools are willing to pay for expensive site-licenses for software. Autodesk still benefits from everything you said, while also receiving license payments.
I'm not (Score:2)
They are morons when it comes to their software. If they understood the hobbyist/student thing, they'd have cheaper versions available. You have a scaled down thing for home users, and the heavy hitting one for pros. You see this with things pro audio and video software. Sony makes a cut down version of Vegas for like $45 for people who just want to play, and the heavy hitting thing for pros is $600. Or Microsoft who not only has various versions of things like Visual Studio but outright gives it away to st
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students aren't going to drop three grand for software
No but schools will drop hundreds of thousands of dollars on site licenses. What do you think a typical college pays for a site license for Autocad or Matlab? These companies would rather see students learning how to use their software in a trade school.
Re:I'm not (Score:4, Insightful)
>Hell, their idea of a "cheap" product is AutoCAD LT which is still $500.
And LT is a 2D cad.
You want CAD that will read .dwg files?
Dassault's Draftsight. It's free. It's also cross platform - Windows, Macintosh, and Linux.
--
BMO
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They do have a scaled down version, Autocad LT. Granted it is still around $500-$800 for a license and you loose LISP support, but it sure does beat the $1500 for the full version.
I think some of you are underestimating how much a CAD package costs. I'm ignoring MAYA/3dsMAX etc as I only have experiance with the CAD side of autodesk. The reason business happily pays $1500 a seat is that the CAD guys need something that works, that can then be sent to the CNC machine, automatically version-ed, and stored in
Re:Autodesk (Score:4, Insightful)
Also, Monster cables is on this list. Which is HILARIOUS... considering they ARE the crooks. Fucking amazing.
Wait?? (Score:3, Informative)
What exactly does the Fraternal Order of Police stand to gain from passage of SOPA exactly??
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I can see why the cops would support, easy arrests for their record on their way to Sargent. "Australian Medical Council" is the one that perplexes me most.
Re:Wait?? (Score:5, Insightful)
What exactly does the Fraternal Order of Police stand to gain from passage of SOPA exactly??
Instant removal of sites hosting videos and pictures of police brutality or improper conduct?
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So they can take town sites that mention "xx County Police Department" at copyright/trademark violations. Censorship invariably helps the corrupt first.
Christians are in Favour of SOPA (Score:4, Interesting)
Lets not believe all the hype. GoDaddy has decided, for business reasons, that it is no longer publicly supporting SOPA. GoDaddy is NOT publicly saying that they are against SOPA.
From the GoDaddy Website (and with the assistance of their lawyers and public relations team):
In changing its position, Go Daddy remains steadfast in its promise to support security and stability of the Internet. In an effort to eliminate any confusion about its reversal on SOPA though, Jones has removed blog postings that had outlined areas of the bill Go Daddy did support.
"Go Daddy has always fought to preserve the intellectual property rights of third parties, and will continue to do so in the future," Jones said.
Doesn't sound like much of a retreat to me, especially when they say (in regards to SOPA and the DMCA, that "... and we will continue to do so in the future.".
Also, something interesting, if you look at the official list of SOPA supporters, it is filled with a lot of Christian organizations (they either have the word Christian in their name, or they are Christian conservative in their lifestyles and political beliefs), like this group:
Concerned Women for America, whose mandate is:
Not that I am trying to Troll or make this into a religious controversy, but I do find it curious that along with the usual suspects like the big media conglomerates, that there would be so many Christian organizations interested in stopping the sale of counterfeit Rolex watches. Though I think we all know that when governments and corporations band together to promote a police state for our own protection, things aren't always as they appear.
And speaking of corporations, why am I forced to create a Google account just so that I can RTFA?!
References:
https://www.godaddy.com/newscenter/release-view.aspx?news_item_id=378&isc=smtwsup [godaddy.com]
http://judiciary.house.gov/issues/Rouge%20Websites/SOPA%20Supporters.pdf [house.gov]
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Re:Christians are in Favour of SOPA (Score:5, Insightful)
Anyone looking to contact the religious organizations might want to point out that intellectual property did not exist when "thou shalt not steal" was written in stone. Furthermore, a lot has been lost in translation, but it is widely recognized that individual property rights were not the same as they are today and that "stealing" refers to the monopolization of resources that were needed by the group of people as a whole and perceived to be common property. Ie. "thou shalt not claim ownership of the only source of drinkable water in the area and deny it to others'. Viewed from this more accurate interpretation of "thou shalt not steal", intellectual property is "stealing". It is taking something previously thought to be common property and claiming it as your own and using that to exploit other members of the tribe or other tribes.
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As it is always with politics, what you see is just the tip of the iceberg. I'm guessing there are some deals in the background, and these organisations will get something in return. Which is exactly the kind of thing that made me a secularist.
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Supporters.pdf [house.gov]
I've been wondering about this for a day now. Is there another list posted by Congress listing entities against SOPA? If not, why not?
Why is the US' Congress taking a side in favour of SOPA before it's even been voted into law? Shouldn't "Congress" (the institution, apart from its members) be impartial, at least until it decides one way or another?
Stack the deck, anyone?
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Just because someone thinks piracy is wrong, doesn't mean that they'd support the DMCA or SOPA.
Ford should not be on that list ... (Score:2)
https://twitter.com/#!/Ford/
We haven't specifically supported the proposed bill. We believe IP protection is crucial & believe in Internet freedom ^SM
Excuse us, but we never specifically said anything about that particular bill. (con't)^SM
We believe IP protection is crucial and will work with Congress to balance innovation & Internet freedom. ^SM
No official position; we support legislation that protects IP but want innovation to flourish (i.e. Internet freedom) ^SM
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That sounds exactly like GoDaddy's official position.
Evidence? (Score:3)
While I think that this list is a worthwhile effort, there should be some evidentiary requirement for an entity to be listed.
Public commentary, news releases, statements in interviews, response to inquiry, etc. are verifiable and not difficult to find or obtain.
It is possible that some have been listed erroneously, by either good or ill intentioned persons.
Without some method of including evidence the usefulness and value of this list is questionable.
Surprised to see a few folks on there... (Score:2)
Three that seemed odd to me were Taylor Guitars, Monster Cable and Peavey. Unless knockoffs are a big problem for Taylor, I see little direct benefit for being on the list. As for Monster, they're overpriced and suck compared to Mogami (hell, they suck compared to drawing my own wire from a metal bar) so I don't think anyone's copying them. And Peavey's stuff sounds so bad, no one would want to copy them.
I guess they all think that if they support this bill the entertainment industry will thrive and lure in
Wanted: List of companies AGAINST SOPA (Score:3)
While this list is a good start to see which companies to avoid doing business with, I would like to see a list of companies that are vocal about being against SOPA so that I can direct my spending dollars towards them. If a lot of people shifted their spending dollars towards those companies against SOPA, maybe the loss of income may change the pro-SOPA mentality.
Vibram (Score:2)
I've seen Vibram on a large number of these lists, but have been unable to find an actual citation for them supporting SOPA. I could really use it as I would like to send it to a barefooting blog. If they really are supporting SOPA, which seems likely given how they are a minor patent troll, their customers need to know.
Suckers (Score:2)
Godaddy didn't listen to anything but the sound of people beating a path to their competitors, and if you think they've reversed their stance I have some beautiful waterfront property to sell you.
Dollar General?? (Score:2)
I understand why quite a few companies are on the list, but Dollar General? Why? Really?
Knock-offs (Score:2)
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Re:why footwear? (Score:4, Informative)
Because they want to shut down every online shop that sells cheap footwear falsely claiming it to be Nike? Actually, forget the second part - just shut down any online shop that sells cheap footwear without due process.
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Can't help it - I'm feeling like a smartass . . .
I've NEVER had due process when purchasing footwear, cheap or otherwise!
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"A Prince can not purchase Loyalty, do not trust Mercenaries." - Machiavelli
Re:why footwear? (Score:5, Funny)
Caterpillar is on the list too. They must have trouble with people pirating their backhoes and bulldozers. That must take a shit-ton of 3D printer feed...
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google (tm) "harley davidson t-shirts" and see after the first few pages its all rip-offs.
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google (tm) "harley davidson t-shirts" and see after the first few pages its all rip-offs.
Wow. Bike sales must be tanking if their tee-shirt spin off makes them willing to throw the internet under the bus just for a tee shirt royalty.
Do these people not understand that free advertising is worth WAY more than they earn from tee shirt sales?
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I am pretty sure H.D. make more on merchandise than they do on bikes.
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Its not just copyright infringement. Sites that try to bypass the usual import routes will also be targeted.
In the UK we commonly pay 50-200% more than people in the US for goods. Some places like Australia
are even worse. Every now and then someone tries to get around this by importing it themselves. This
happens frequently with wheelchairs that are often twice the price just because there is no alternative source.
It wont just be counterfeit goods, anyone who doesn't use the proper distribution channels will
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LOL, this fool thinks this is all about pirated music.
Clearly you don't realize that supporting this bill is akin to supporting terrorism, child rape, and the murdering of baby seals. For shame!
Re:Who gives a fuck? (Score:5, Insightful)
LOL, this fool thinks this is all about pirated music.
Sadly, that's what the MafiAA is trying to convince the majority of the public of.
And that's what the fucking fools in Congress who said things like "We don't need to bring in a bunch of nerds to explain this bill to us" believe too. Well that and they believe in continuing to get MafiAA bribery money^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H"campaign donations."
Re:Who gives a fuck? (Score:5, Interesting)
"Enemy of my enemy is my friend." - Ancient proverb
Re:Who gives a fuck? (Score:5, Insightful)
Makes perfect sense. Businesses, who as we all know are the epitome of ethics, can be trusted to do the Right Thing(tm). Whereas Joe Q. Public is only one step away from smoking pot, kissing a member of his own sex, downloading Britney Spears and buying a fake Rolex, and needs to be held in line with threats, teargas and the promise of an eternity in hell for his sins.
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With apologies to Pastor Martin Niemöller's famous poem, First they came..., his cry of protest against those Germans who did nothing to stop the Nazi rise to power, and who stood by as the Nazis purged group after group of "undesirables" in their country.
http://webweaversworld.blogspot.com/2006/10/first-they-came-for-jews-variations-on.html [blogspot.com]
When SOPA came for the ISPs,
I remained silent;
after all I was not an ISP.
When SOPA locked up the all the routers,
I remained silent;
after all I did not have a ro
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0/10
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According tot he law it isn't "theft" it's copyright violation, now back under your bridge troll...
GoDaddy continues supporting SOPA (Score:5, Informative)
GoDaddy has NOT withdrawn its official congressional support for SOPA
GoDaddy continues supporting SOPA (Score:4, Informative)
GoDaddy has NOT withdrawn its official congressional support for SOPA [reddit.com]
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Sony is all over it, did you check page 2?
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Not just SCE.
Sony Electronics Inc.
Sony Music Entertainment
Sony Music Nashville
Sony Pictures Entertainment
Sony/ATV Music Publishing
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Unless they come out against it then they are for it. Godaddy might have stopped publicly supporting it for PR reasons but they sure as shit are still behind it.
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I'd like to see a column containing the source of data indicating that the entity supports SOPA. SOPA support is quickly becoming the 'PR Mark of Death' so there needs to be some semblance of certainty that each entity should really be on that list.
Then create a column and hunt down the information yourself for the benefit of others! See crowdsourced! <snark />
But yeah, on a non-snarky note I agree with you and this information should be included.
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... it's OK to report on what's happening with SOPA. but linking to a list for response to SOPA and encouraging members to get active against it is political ...
I beg to differ [slashdot.org]. SOPA's proponents started it.
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... many of the companies on this list do not support SOPA specifically but merely took a public stance in favor of some protection for intellectual property rights (which surely we all support).
As currently practiced, no we don't all support IP rights. I tend towards boycotting anyone who does. If you can't make a living by giving your customers better products or services than your competitors, you deserve to lose.
FWIW, I've never even been to The Pirate Bay nor do I "pirate" anything in any other way. I seriously do resent what the legal profession has been doing with IP lately.