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Sony, Universal and Fox Caught Pirating Through BitTorrent 284

New submitter Bad_Feeling sends in a followup to the story we discussed on Monday about a new site that scanned a few popular torrent trackers and linked torrents to IP addresses. The folks at TorrentFreak decided to check IP addresses belonging to major companies in the entertainment industry and published lists of pirated files from several, including Fox, Sony, and NBC Universal. Of course, they used the information to make a slightly different point than the industry usually does: "By highlighting the above our intention is not to get anyone into trouble, and for that reason we masked out the end of the IP addresses to avoid a witch hunt. An IP address is not a person, IP addresses can be shared among many people, and anyone can be behind a keyboard at any given time."
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Sony, Universal and Fox Caught Pirating Through BitTorrent

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  • Re:Dumb argument (Score:5, Informative)

    by blackicye ( 760472 ) on Wednesday December 14, 2011 @09:17AM (#38368824)

    So their point is if IPs change, and it is hard to figure out who broke the law, law enforcement might as well just give up?

    I'm all for sharing of information and media freely. Hell! I pirate the shit out of everything, but this is the worst argument for it I have ever heard.

    The argument is equivalent to: A murderer used many cars during his escape, since it is hard to pinpoint which one is his we should give up.

    Then obviously we should ban cars.

  • by thegarbz ( 1787294 ) on Wednesday December 14, 2011 @09:17AM (#38368828)

    Didn't we discuss to death that the site was a hoax? I mean we're talking about a site that says "Don't take it seriously" at the bottom of every page. Also apparently I've downloaded a single episode of some series I've never heard of (mid-season mind you), and my IP has been static for about 8 years now.

  • by Richard_at_work ( 517087 ) <> on Wednesday December 14, 2011 @09:28AM (#38368926)

    It still doesn't make it legal to redistribute it...

  • by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday December 14, 2011 @09:32AM (#38368970)

    peerblock + bluetack list (p2p) + any torrenting app = you won't/can't be tracked by any industry in any legal fashion. It literally is that simple these days.

    confirms that even of the thousands of torrents I've downloaded over the years, my IP address comes up with zero records.

  • by Kjella ( 173770 ) on Wednesday December 14, 2011 @09:43AM (#38369080) Homepage

    Hoax? No, they had certainly scanned TPB for recent torrents - they listed me accurately, that's not a coincidence. That doesn't mean their lists are complete, accurate or anything like that, I'm sure it's easy to poison a tracker into giving out IPs that aren't actually torrenting. Maybe the trackers add some random IPs too for plausible deniability? Whatever the case, the legal value is hogwash. Why should it be a joke anyway? Grab a torrent, connect to the tracker, voila you get a list of IPs to stuff in a database. That and being illegal too, at least in my country so in any it'd be thrown out on that basis alone. But it's not like they did something magic.

  • It is with hacked clients.

  • by petermgreen ( 876956 ) <plugwash @ p> on Wednesday December 14, 2011 @10:10AM (#38369332) Homepage

    Torrents work by establishing connections either peer to peer or peer to seed. Peers request blocks of the file over those connections, download them and then check their hashes against those in the torrent file.

    Peers may perform some form of tit-for-tat to punish those who download without uploading but seeds aren't trying to download anything so can't perform tit-for-tat. So it's perfectly possible to download from a torrent while refusing to upload anything.

    Oh and the stats collected by the tracker are completely dependent on the honesty of the clients that report them.

  • by KnightMB ( 823876 ) on Wednesday December 14, 2011 @10:23AM (#38369454)
    I don't know why this article at torrentfreak doesn't just list the IP address, it only took me all of 3 minutes to figure what the real IPs were.

    For the world to see now:
    United States (US), California, Culver City
    Downloaded files
    Conan the Barbarian 2011 ... 80p DTS AC3 dxva-LoNeWolf (12.19 GB) Nov, 2011
    The Black Keys - Lonely Boy (7.50 MB) Nov, 2011
    VA - Dubstep Meditations - 2010 [FLAC] (336.47 MB) Nov, 2011
    {}Beavis ... port.480p.WEB-DL.x264-mSD (75.64 MB) Nov, 2011
    [ ] - ... rls.S01E08.HDTV.XviD-P0W4 (183.19 MB) Nov, 2011
    United States (US), Florida, Fort Lauderdale
    Downloaded files
    Beatport Halloween Trance 2011 {aSBo} (389.74 MB) Dec, 2011
    Cowboys and Aliens [2010] dvd rip nlx (1.28 GB) Dec, 2011
    Game of Thrones Season 1 Complete 720p (14.53 GB) Nov, 2011
    2.Broke.Girls.S01E08.HDTV.XviD-P0W4.avi (174.89 MB) Nov, 2011 ... 20p.HDTV.x264-IMMERSE.mkv (1013.61 MB) Nov, 2011
    United States (US), California, Valley Village
    Downloaded files
    Super 8 2011 1080p BRRip ... ac vice (HDScene Release) (3.70 GB)
  • Re:Irony (Score:4, Informative)

    by DaveV1.0 ( 203135 ) on Wednesday December 14, 2011 @10:29AM (#38369518) Journal

    As someone else has stated, as long as the person at the company is downloading the items on the behalf of the company who is the copyright holder, neither PROTECTIP nor SOPA will apply because the company and by extension the person have the legal right to make copies while people who are not authorized to make copies do not have a legal right to make copies.
    And, if an employee is downloading without permission and thus making unauthorized copies of a work, said employee is almost guaranteed to be violating corporate use policies and can be fired for such use.
    Really, it is that simple.

  • Re:Dumb argument (Score:4, Informative)

    by AvitarX ( 172628 ) <me AT brandywinehundred DOT org> on Wednesday December 14, 2011 @11:46AM (#38370422) Journal

    Most civil actions are "Preponderance of the Evidence", which means more likely than not.

    Some civil issues require "Clear and Convincing" evidence, which is a higher burden, this is often used for counter claims that involve having legal fees covered (for example, I sue the insurance company, claiming they need to pay, they counter sue, saying I acted fraudulently in getting the policy, I would generally only need Preponderance, they would likely need Clear and Convincing, but if they one the counter suit, I would owe them for all of their legal fees).

    I've actually never heard the words "Beyond a Reasonable Doubt" in a civil case, except for during jury instruction where the judge tries to explain that it is a lower burden than a criminal case.

  • by thomst ( 1640045 ) on Wednesday December 14, 2011 @01:15PM (#38371738) Homepage

    peerblock + bluetack list (p2p) + any torrenting app = you won't/can't be tracked by any industry in any legal fashion. It literally is that simple these days.

    No it's not.

    ALL of the URLs that bluetack points to have been "suspended" by, and bluetack's own page is now just a plea for contributions.

  • by Khyber ( 864651 ) <> on Wednesday December 14, 2011 @01:19PM (#38371808) Homepage Journal

    We have methods of detecting hacked clients and banning them from the seed cloud.

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