Anonymous Takes Down Turkish Government Site 117
arisvega writes with word that the group of hackers known as Anonymous "has taken down a Turkish government website in a protest against recently introduced Internet filters that many consider to be censorship. They also appear to have published a manifesto. Turkey has a long history of Internet censorship, with the country's ISPs having blocked YouTube and numerous other sites in the the past couple of years."
From the linked manifesto: "(The Turkish government) has blocked thousands of websites and blogs while abusive legal proceedings against online journalists persist. The government now wants to impose a new filtering system on the 22nd of August that will make it possible to keep records of all the people's internet activity. Though it remains opaque why and how the system will be put in place, it is clear that the government is taking censorship to the next level."
The website is (Score:2)
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http://www.tib.gov.tr/ [tib.gov.tr]
Or maybe you just slashdotted it...
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BTK [wikipedia.org] had an announcement about TIB on a Turkish newspaper today, saying that they will get the IP addresses of the attackers and will "possibly punish them" for it (1 [gelecekonline.com], in Turkish). I posted the link so we all can have a touristic visit to a Turkish jail.
PS. Turkish media are now reporting (most probably upon government directives) that the attacks were not successful despite initial reports.
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DoS'ing yourself to avoid being attacked... They are experts in security!
These fucktards regulate the internet in my country...
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Ultimate security is in a disconnected computer. That part of the ISO27001 they got right.
Now let's talk about that "availability" part of the trinity "security - integrity - availability".
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I think I should give my cert back... You're correct.
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That's something I didn't quite get, what's so "horrible" about burning a flag? Are we so dependent on totems and fetishes, after all those years of civilization?
Don't get me wrong, if someone loves his country or is proud of its achievements, or just likes it lots, all fine and nice. I enjoy living where I live as well and if push comes to shove, I might consider defending it with arms. But getting worked up about someone burning the flag? Fffft. If it keeps you warm, have fun. You bought it, it's your pro
Hacking increase (Score:4, Interesting)
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You didn't say how many more minutes it would take before I hear a knock on my door... Thank you for helping me get arrested.
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They're also getting more police attention. Now we get to find out how good they really are. It's not what you can do, it's what you can get away with.
Unless the press get bored, which they almost certainly will. Then the public will forget and the police can go back to sleep.
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Someone could start
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Is that censorship? Depends. Opt-in (or even opt-out), it's not. If you filter "for" me without me having a say in it, and you being the government, then yes, it is censorship, even if the intent is good.
Censorship is or is not. There is no "good" censorship, and neither is there "limited" censorship. If you're sincere about protecting your people, offer them a free filter, maybe make it mandatory for ISPs to carry and advertise it to their customers so nobody could possibly claim he didn't know about its e
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What gets published in the media as "news" is heavily filtered and several criteria have to be met before an event becomes "news". One of the criteria is whether the item has brought enough ad clicks in the recent past and the PSN hack certainly did.
Do you really think that the hacking of a minor gov site would make the news in e.g. CNN two years ago?
The number of such news stories recently has increased but it's mainly positive feedback: the more publicity the villains get, the more they are at it.
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Since when does "Anonymous" make the world; or anything else better?
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They could have been more successful if... (Score:1)
... they could actually find a TR government site that works.
It is against the censorship regulations. (Score:1)
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Call me (Score:1)
... when they take the government down.
One reason for censorship (Score:1)
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Redundant.
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I don't think it's redundant. It's useful to distinguish how someone is retarded, such as Creationist, Republican, or Cubs Fan.
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it's using retarded people to make one feel better about having just as little clue as anyone else as to why there is something and not nothing.
hah.
EU membership (Score:3, Interesting)
I'm really not sure we should be letting these guys into the EU until they start making some changes to the way they do things.
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They're just trying to preemptively comply with future EU legislation.
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+1 insightful, precisely my thought too.
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I live in Turkey: all of this is outright lies except the last one, which occurs "elsewhere" as well (as in "think of the children
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But, my highness, please... let us in... it's so warm and cozy in there!
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Concerns.. (Score:2)
Anonymous doesn't have any type of real leadership, and there has never been a very active group of core members, it's more or less "hey we're going to attack t
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Or what do you propose? Warrantless raids/espionage on proxy servers/bots/Tor nodes all over the world? Because that's what it would realistically take to catch "them".
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The only way to remove that would either be to remove all technical possibility of exploitation and attack from the net, or
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Or moles, warrants for access to server logs and wiretaps, and basically all the tools that are already used to track organized criminals. I know they like to bill themselves as these supernatural, everywhere-and-nowhere crusaders, but they're not. They're a bunch of losers and man-children who, until recently, didn't attract enough attention to be worth taking down. That may be changing.
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And if they're "internet-based" (eg, accepting members from online) you could infiltrate them. Warrants probably woudn't be as effective, though, since you need the jurisdiction involved to cooperate. And you're basically still relying on the attacker to make a mistak
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I'm more concerned with what happens when the so-far-silent majority decides they are a threat and does something. It can only mean another step on the road to Treacherous Computing.
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If they're normal human beings they'd stop when the damage of their actions wasn't outweighed by their perception of "greater good"/"the target had it coming".
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Anonymous hardly does any harm.
They are only effective because the public reacts to their actions.
For example, Anonymous helped the revolution in Tunisia to happen. On their own, Anonymous were useless, but the Tunisians reacted to what Anonymous did and this fueled the revolution.
Anonymous is effective because the population gets angry at the government or the population realizes the government is in reality weak and powerless ("The government failed miserably at protecting itself from HACKERS - what the h
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Is no one else concerned with the fact that these guys get to do whatever they want, to whom ever they want, and there are no repercussions? I understand the way Anonymous works, it's difficult to track these people down. But you can't tell me that with the recent trend in public hacks that many of them aren't performed by the same group of people. Anonymous doesn't have any type of real leadership, and there has never been a very active group of core members, it's more or less "hey we're going to attack this site" and then a bunch of basement dwellers rise up and start DDoS'ing. After they get bored they leave and move on.. But many of these recent attacks have seemed more organized than previous Anonymous doings. Are people not concerned with their actions? I understand that so far they've been doing things that people can agree with "LOLSONYREVIL" "TURKEYCENSORINTERNETS" and blah blah. But the more attention we give them, the bolder they're going to become.. what happens when they decide that they want to fuck with the US or the some major company in the States.. I don't think people will be quite so willing to wave off their actions then.
I hear you brother! And I'd be with you too, but, but - all those young people flaunting their youth, and all those women flaunting their their, um, attractiveness, and all those successful people flaunting their success, and all those people doing things and thinking and standing up to the pricks and threatening the bullies. Oh I'm with you brother - if we don't stop this now people *will* walk on my lawn.
Dick
Doesn't sound difficult (Score:2)
How big of a pipe does a country like Turkey really have?
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Turkey is a G20 member, and has higher GDP than most EU countries (if it were a EU member, it'd rank 7th, above Sweden, Finland and Denmark).
GDP vs GDP per capita (Score:1)
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Yeah, GDP is capita is how rich the populace is (very roughly speaking). Total GDP is how rich the country as a whole is. So, speaking of "how big of a pipe does Turkey have", GDP is the relevant metric.
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if it were a EU member, it'd rank 7th
I hardly think so, especially in the longrun.
If it were an EU member, there would be very many standards and procedures it would have to comply with. Labor would not be that cheap, child labor would be banned, running factories would be much more expensive and complicated (and less dangerous for the workers), specialized positions would demand degrees, so overall production costs would be much higher. Since Turkey ranks near to last on technology research for the "western" nation it is supposed to be, it wo
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Looks about [hubimg.com] five or six inches long.
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Filth! And the wrong sort of filth too!
Rgds
Damon
homosexuality censorship too (Score:1)
They also block sites that mention the fact that Ataturk was homosexual. (Ataturk is founder of the nation)
They think that is a blemish on the nation so they stick their head in the sand. it is why they have blocked youtube a couple of times for example.
Turkey is nice enough to (Score:3, Insightful)
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Yes, and America drops food after we bomb the shit out of an area. No matter how desperately these people need the food, it doesn't make up for the bombing.
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giving shelter to Syrian citizens
Last time they did that was when Israel attacked the Lebanese population, and Syrians thought they were next- the queues of Syrians outside of Turkish embassies were enormous, and the "solution" the Turkish administration came up with was simple: fifty euros a head per visa. Not that good considering the typical size of a Syrian family. Do they still sound "nice enough" to you?
At first i hoped it was for another reason (Score:2)
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Yes... (Score:1)
How dare Turkey decide it has the power to decide what websites people should and shouldn't be allowed to visit and then deliberately block people from visiting unapproved websites... ...Only Anonymous is allowed to do that.
Here's what you do (Score:2)
Every time you find an Anonymous person. You cut them apart, with power tools on television. I mean it's all fun and games when you go after pussies who run banks and movie studios in the US but countries like Turkey or Russia's grasp of 'due process' is abstract, at best.
There's going to be a new reality show on tv - 'Pressure Drop', where they just take nerds and kick them out the helicopter.
And I'm ok with that.
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Every time you find an Anonymous person. You cut them apart, with power tools on television. I mean it's all fun and games when you go after pussies who run banks and movie studios in the US but countries like Turkey or Russia's grasp of 'due process' is abstract, at best.
There's going to be a new reality show on tv - 'Pressure Drop', where they just take nerds and kick them out the helicopter.
And I'm ok with that.
Oh come now, we all see through your thinly veiled attempts to prove you are not a leader of Anonymous; Your overly outrageous statements actually support this view.
How do you explain the fact that many Anonymous members claim that they were secretly taking direction from you!?
You will be punished for your crimes against no one in particular!
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It's all funny when Anonymous goes after brie nibbling western liberal states and the occasional innocuous fat target like a television network. Yesterday they went after the Turkish government, not known for their shyness when persecuting Kurds and Armenians. Imagine the fun times when they go after Vladimir Putin.
It's like those tools who 'accidentally' stumbled into Iran or North Korea? And you mean mommy and daddy didn't bail them out? Why I am incensed at those country's lack of compassion and toleranc
There is not such thing as a "group"... (Score:2)
... called "Anonymous". A group is defined as not only people sharing the same motives and taking concurrent actions, but also some "working together" routine, organization, and structure.
All of this is missing in Anonymous; it's more like a swarm, then a group.
This critic is similar to that one could state against the idea of having a "Anonymous Leader" arrested in Spain.
There is no defined leader in a swarm of birds, as they are not really a group; they just coincidently fly together into the same directi