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Eulogy For Groklaw 70

akgraner writes "When I got up this morning, the news was all over Facebook and the free software news sites: Groklaw, the site that was influential in the SCO legal cases, will stop publication on May 16. It's news that I hear with decidedly mixed feelings."
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Eulogy For Groklaw

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  • Re:Tinfoil hat? (Score:5, Insightful)

    by Jurily ( 900488 ) <jurily@g m a i l . com> on Monday April 11, 2011 @11:53AM (#35782310)

    "You simply cannot invent any conspiracy theory so ridiculous and obviously satirical that some people somewhere don't already believe it."

    -- Robert Anton Wilson

  • And in the end.. (Score:5, Insightful)

    by ackthpt ( 218170 ) on Monday April 11, 2011 @11:59AM (#35782404) Homepage Journal

    After Right won out, the soldiers returned to their homes, their fields and their shops. Preference for talk of the long bloody battle faded and was replaced by the need for a coat of paint on the house, the weather and cracker barrel politics. A memorial was placed somewhere, where those who remember the dark days could pay homage, but soon too the grass grew high and the leafs of Autumn covered it, all while a new generation ran with boundless energy in the park nearby and soon the heroes were forgotten, with what had passed before living on in the result of deeds.

    And the perfect setting for a new battle to foment on yet another front.

  • Re:Don't worry. (Score:5, Insightful)

    by tomhudson ( 43916 ) <barbara@hudson.barbara-hudson@com> on Monday April 11, 2011 @12:07PM (#35782520) Journal
    Original slashdot article - Groklaw Declares Victory, No More Articles []

    You can see the crapfloods Florian Mueller makes there about how PJ isn't a real person (even though she worked for ODSL, and Steven J Vaughan-Nichols wrote that he met her several times, etc.), or hop over to LWN and hear him complain about how HE is more deserving of recognition.

    May 16th is Red Dress Day, in honor of Pamela Jones.

  • this is rare (Score:5, Insightful)

    by gothzilla ( 676407 ) on Monday April 11, 2011 @12:13PM (#35782592)

    It's common for people to create an organization to solve a problem when no solutions exist. Most of the time though those people keep going even after the problems have been solved. Greenpeace and PETA are examples. Their original goals were met and instead of going "ok we won", they just kept going. As they searched hard for relevance, their organizations become more radical and extreme in the process until they get to a point where they become a new problem.

    It's nice to see someone actually be able to quit when there's no reason to still exist. I'm afraid groklaw would take the same route as it tried too hard to remain relevant.

  • Re:Quick (Score:5, Insightful)

    by tomhudson ( 43916 ) <barbara@hudson.barbara-hudson@com> on Monday April 11, 2011 @12:22PM (#35782690) Journal
    Oh, he'll be by. Just like he was on LWN and zdNet and here and everywhere else, pushing the whole "PJ is not a real person" and "groklaw deletes comments." (Groklaw, a moderated blog, deletes comments? Quel scandale!).

    His moaning and groaning on LWN [] is typical

    The word "her" needs citation. There was an avatar named "PJ", who claimed that "PJ" meant "Pamela Jones", but there was never any verifiable track record, such as past and current employers, and "PJ" never presented "herself" in public. I just explained in another comment here that this lack of transparency wasn't reasonable.

    But assuming that "PJ" is a person, I don't know what you mean by "talent". "PJ" claimed to be a paralegal, admitted not to have programming knowledge, and very apparently failed to understand the world of business. In other words, we talk about a person who apparently would have liked to become a lawyers but failed to get there, and who missed some other important perspectives that "she" would have needed to provide holistic analysis of the issues "she" covered.

    What a load of crap, considering
    1. not only that Mueller is not a lawyer, but has done his best to give the impression he is, and not corrected it when people fell for it
    2. has always been aware that PJ is a real person - he posted his crap on SJVNs blog at zdnet, the same Steven J Vaughan-Nichols who wrote that he's met PJ.

    3. when I pointed out to this piece of work on the weekend that PJ had spoken with SJVN and RMS, he didn't ask for any citation for SJVN, just RMS. He already had seen the SJVN article. He's such a bad liar.

    Of course, what can you expect from someone who is trying so desperately, and failing so badly [], to re-invent themselves as a mouthpiece for hire for somebody ... ANYBODY ....

    He's just another amateur troll, one of those "useful fools" we occasionally hear about ...

  • Re:Tinfoil hat? (Score:4, Insightful)

    by Eggplant62 ( 120514 ) on Monday April 11, 2011 @12:47PM (#35782940)

    When PJ started this, it was to defend Linux, which at the time didn't have much in the way of large financial support, and only a very few outfits openly using it. The tides have simply turned. SCO no longer poses a threat since they're no longer able to do business in any capacity. They've sold their assests, their money is gone, their management team that brainstormed this whole mess has been scattered to the winds, and PJ wants to move on and go about her life. I think the mission of Groklaw has come to its fruition. Let the lady have her peace.

    If anything, this further deconstructs the theories that there were big influences behind this small lady. Big influences can keep things going. PJ needing to step down and being willing to say so just confirms that there are no big interests pushing her to keep on.

  • Re:grok what? (Score:4, Insightful)

    by Anonymous Coward on Monday April 11, 2011 @12:52PM (#35783002)

    I'm actually relieved. How many focused advocacy groups, when their cause has won its primary battle, face the same choice, and instead say, "what can we do with this new-found power we (think we) have gotten for ourselves?"

    A group that comes to mind right now fitting this is MADD, but so many groups kind of turn into activist HeLo cancers - they just won't die, and go on and on fighting at real or imagined windmills perpetually. MADD has won the war, but fights the battle still, going after smaller and smaller problems (or strawmen arguments) that in their mind are as big, if not bigger (today), than the original problem, even if they really aren't by most sane and sober evaluations.

    But maybe this is the normal way of humans - we get the prize, and want more MORE! Is it enough for Altoids to have curiously strong peppermint candies? No, so they create curiously wintergreenier mints, curiously cinnamonnier mints, etc.

    The Cold War is dead, so we need to create a new terrorism threat (that, honestly for the west, was far worse in the 70's and early 80's) to replace the Soviets & the Red Menace...

  • Thanks P.J. (Score:2, Insightful)

    by Anonymous Coward on Monday April 11, 2011 @01:26PM (#35783376)

    On a job well done. Many times the case was a PR campaign, and Groklaw painted the picture plainly from the legal briefs. Time to celebrate the victory, and victory it is, Its sad that a rogue bunch of idiots burned SCO to bankruptcy, as well as wasted a lot of time and money instead of improving a non-microsoft brand. But Groklaw stood as a beacon of clarity.

    Thanks again, in honor of what you have done, and the standard you have set for others to follow.

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