Blogger Fined $60K For Telling the Truth 433
jfruhlinger writes "'Johnny Northside,' a Minneapolis blogger with less than 500 readers a day, revealed that a University of Minnesota researcher studying mortgage fraud had been involved in a fraudulent mortgage himself; the blog post was at least partially responsible for the researcher losing his job. The researcher then sued the blogger and won — despite the blogger having his facts straight. Johnny Northside plans to appeal the verdict."
This is why we need sites like Wikileaks (Score:5, Insightful)
The title says it all.
Remember this while the government works hard to eliminate all anonymous speech on the Internet.
Re:This is why we need sites like Wikileaks (Score:5, Insightful)
I'm going to quote an old robot saying (Score:4, Insightful)
"Does not compute!"
How does this have anything to do with the government clamping down on free speech? This is a god who made a claim about a researcher. The researcher then sued him in civil court where a jury, you know as in regular people, found him liable. Now I'm not saying they made the right decision, but this is not the government trying to shut this guy up, it is another guy trying to shut him up and a jury agreeing. Like it or not that is actually our system working.
Re:I'm going to quote an old robot saying (Score:3, Insightful)
The one guy would have no power to do that to the other guy if the power of government didn't back the first guy up. This is a case of government interference, even if it's a civil matter.
Re:I'm going to quote an old robot saying (Score:3, Insightful)
Like it or not that is actually our system working.
You're right. That's why we must rip its heart out. This is absolute insanity.
Re:First Amendment (Score:4, Insightful)
Truth is a defence against defamation tort, however truth might be the very thing that a plaintiff wants to protect from the tort of a breach of privacy. Maybe the real question is whether the fact a fraudulent (thus criminal) activities can be protected by the privacy torts in civil cases.
Truth is a Defense for Defamation, Not This (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:I'm going to quote an old robot saying (Score:5, Insightful)
How does this have anything to do with the government clamping down on free speech?
Because the truth used to be a defense against libel. However, with the swing to the far right (not a party swing, but the whole country, including both parties are swinging that way for some topics), freedom of speech is being trampled. There are already states where true statements about some protected industry is illegal if the statement is negative. Now you can't say anything to get someone fired, even if true.
this is not the government trying to shut this guy up,
It is the government shutting him up. The government is enforcing the finding made in the government court. They are the enforcement arm for this.
Re:I'm going to quote an old robot saying (Score:5, Insightful)
And who didn't throw lawsuits like this out of court? Letting 12 retards decide what to do with a person after listening to hours or days of screaming from lawyers should be the last resort, not the first choice.
Re:I'm going to quote an old robot saying (Score:4, Insightful)
And the laws that allowed the suit to proceed.
Re:"Fined"? Fine! (Score:2, Insightful)
From freedictionary.com:
Fine: A forfeiture or penalty to be paid to the offended party in a civil action.
Fined: To require the payment of a fine from; impose a fine on.
Sounds appropriate.
Re:This is why we need sites like Wikileaks (Score:2, Insightful)
That is *a* solution, but it is a lesser, reactive solution - the better approach is to keep the oppressive powers from taking those rights to begin with. If, for instance, we fall back to a "fringe" or non-sanctioned approach to free speech, they have the option to segregate and dominate. Gotta make time to attend rallies and protests, first - the technical solutions won't last once they gain the upper hand.
Re:I'm going to quote an old robot saying (Score:5, Insightful)
From another point of view (Score:5, Insightful)
The summary really approaches this from a certain point of view.
Let's look at it from a different point of view ...
1. University hires a researcher who has done something in the past which would make him look bad, but is not technically illegal. The researcher has technically never committed any crime, just gotten involved with some bad people at one stage.
2. Blogger starts a campaign of negative publicity against the researcher focused on this aspect of his history. Everything said is true, but is inflammatory and of a nature intended to defame the researcher.
3. The university, for all we know, may even know about the researcher's controversial past already and be cool with it. Either way, the university finds it increasingly difficult to support the researcher in the face of this negative publicity, and eventually lets go of him in order to save face.
4. The researcher sues not for libel, because all the statements made about him were true, but for the running of a negative campaign about him which eventually lead to him losing his job and reputation.
A lot of people have something in their past that makes them look bad, but which is not actually illegal. If someone starts a negative campaign about you based on something like this, and it ends up with you losing your reputation or job, who is in the wrong? In this case, 12 jurors thought it was the blogger.
Re:I'm going to quote an old robot saying (Score:4, Insightful)
Yeah... I will grant that it's insane. The defendant ought to have prevailed if for no other reason than the plaintiff has Unclean hands [wikipedia.org]; with regards to the matter under dispute.
The plaintiff acting illegally and unethically in a way that effected the public gave rise to a journalistic duty for journalists to cover the subject. And the journalist is being sued for covering the subject.
Re:This is why we need sites like Wikileaks (Score:3, Insightful)
NO.
Thats just as stupid as the censorship and everything else.
What we NEED is a world that isn't corrupt, stupid and run by greed. Then we won't need TOR at all.
Irrevelant anyway i guess. we won't have the tor solution because the goverments would never allow it. and we won't have the better world solution because people suck.
Damm. that's despressing.
Re:I'm going to quote an old robot saying (Score:5, Insightful)
I should clarify. The jury is instructed that they may not judge the law or the likely punishment, only the facts. They are then to robotically apply the law to those facts. They are then told what the law is.
In spite of that instruction, the body of law the U.S. inherited it's jury system from explicitly acknowledged a juror's duty to judge the law as well as the facts. The founding fathers as well as a number of supreme court justices from the beginning to as recently as 1946 certainly agreed.
Of course, finally, the court cannot compel a juror to act against his or her conscience and cannot even examine a juror's decision making process. (that's not to say it wouldn't happen, only that it would violate due process).
From all of that, the upshot is that all jury instruction in the modern U.S. court is faulty.
Of course, once you get the jury to the point of agreeing to judge the facts and then roboticly apply the law as told to them by the judge, the judge is free to create any desired verdict (though it MIGHT be thrown out if an appellate court finds that the instruction was faulty enough).