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PayPal Withdraws WikiLeaks Donation Service 794

ItsIllak writes "The BBC are reporting that PayPal is the latest company to abandon WikiLeaks. The list now includes their DNS providers (EveryDNS) and their hosts (Amazon). PayPal's move is unlikely to result in many more people boycotting the company, as most knowledgeable on-line users will have been refusing to use them for years for a wide variety of abusive practices." Adds reader jg21: "As open source freedom fighter Simon Phipps writes in his ComputerWorldUK blog, behavior like this by Amazon and Tableau [and now PayPal] 'informs us as customers of web services and cloud computing services that we are never safe from intentional outages when the business interests of our host are challenged.'"
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PayPal Withdraws WikiLeaks Donation Service

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  • by Joce640k ( 829181 ) on Saturday December 04, 2010 @11:33AM (#34443440) Homepage

    If you've got nothing to hide you've got nothing to worry about.

    Isn't that what they tell us when they pry into our affairs...?

    • by devbox ( 1919724 ) on Saturday December 04, 2010 @11:33AM (#34443444)
      Paypal did the same to, however they later reactivated the account. However, now this is "official" announcement on their blog, so I'm not sure it will happen this time.

      I guess leaking secrets and wrongdoing is all ok until it's about you or your country.
      • by flyingsquid ( 813711 ) on Saturday December 04, 2010 @03:53PM (#34445252)
        I think what people are overlooking is that Wikileaks has gone well beyond just acting as a whistleblower.

        If their efforts focused solely on releasing evidence of crimes and abuses of power, then I think they would be tolerated. But the vast majority of the material that's been released shows no evidence of any government abuses, so its release serves only to hurt U.S. diplomatic relations without actually shedding light on any crime. That's the issue here.

        Releasing that stuff doesn't fight against injustice, it just makes it hard for U.S. diplomats to do their jobs if they can't speak candidly in private. That does a hell of a lot more to hurt U.S. diplomatic efforts than Al Qaeda blowing up a couple of our embassies in Africa. And while we have a right to know what's going on in our government, at some point that right is overridden by the need to keep other people in the dark, including our frenemies like Russia and China, and outright enemies such as Iran, North Korea, and yes, the Taliban. I guarantee you that all of them are right now working overtime reading through these communications.

        It's one thing to target criminals, it's quite another to start throwing hand grenades into a crowded room because there might be a criminal in there. Well, Wikileaks has taken the hand-grenade approach to fighting injustice, and the good done by the scandals exposed is going to be outweighed by all the damage. That's turned the moderates against Assange. I don't think that Amazon or PayPal ditched him because he was a costly inconvenience- I think that the people in charge genuinely felt that they are genuinely against what he was doing.

        • by turbidostato ( 878842 ) on Saturday December 04, 2010 @04:06PM (#34445314)

          "the vast majority of the material that's been released shows no evidence of any government abuses"

          There's more on the "abuse" word than "plain illegal", specially with respect to politics. If there's really no government abuses, why all the airing? Can it be because at least some people found the data supportive of at least questionable practices? And if it's indeed questionable practices at least for somebody, how can't it be considered whistleblowering?

    • by jgardia ( 985157 ) on Saturday December 04, 2010 @11:57AM (#34443586)

      Bah, they just need to leak some info about PayPal now, to thank them.

      • by hedwards ( 940851 ) on Saturday December 04, 2010 @12:04PM (#34443642)
        I'm guessing that's what this is about. But realistically now that they've cut off Wikileaks they've got precisely zero leverage. Previously they could pull that stunt they like and hold everybody's money ransom for....

        One Meeeleon Dollars.
        • by slick7 ( 1703596 ) on Saturday December 04, 2010 @12:34PM (#34443902)

          But realistically now that they've cut off Wikileaks they've got precisely zero leverage.
          One Meeeleon Dollars.

          I guess Wikileaks will have to do it for gratis, since there is no more money to withhold information.
          Obligatory RAH quote: Never appeal to a man's "better nature." He may not have one. Invoking his self-interest gives you more leverage. - RAH

      • by lgw ( 121541 ) on Saturday December 04, 2010 @12:25PM (#34443814) Journal

        Really, what new information could come to light about PayPal to make the seem worse than they already seem?

    • by slick7 ( 1703596 )

      If you've got nothing to hide you've got nothing to worry about.

      Isn't that what they tell us when they pry into our affairs...?

      Obligatory RAH quote: A society that gets rid of all its troublemakers goes downhill. -RAH

    • by sgt_doom ( 655561 ) on Saturday December 04, 2010 @03:33PM (#34445118)
      I noticed this at another site and thought the poster made colossal sense:

      "Geez, I still don't see why prosecutor Marianne Ny (email address: ) didn't follow any of the standard judicial and prosecutorial procedures; maybe we should ALL contact her to see what's going on?"

      "And what's up with Justice Skarhed? (email: ) I mean, wasn't she investigating why prosecutor Maria Kjellstrand illegally released aspects of the Assange file to the Swedish tabloids?"

      "And that Tableaux Software (headquartered in Seattle, along with Amazon, isn't that were Micro$oft's located???)?

      If you support Tableaux's pulling their software license from WikiLeaks, then give them a shoutout for support the Corporate Fascist State."

      (first email is management)

    • by DELNI-AA ( 1132369 ) on Saturday December 04, 2010 @05:07PM (#34445632)

      Well, I terminated both my account at PayPal and Amazon today

      That's called voting with my feet

      Think you guys in the US should watch out for your free speech rights; doesn't sound good when Library of Congress starts to block sites; sounds more like China to be honest.

  • by Haedrian ( 1676506 ) on Saturday December 04, 2010 @11:34AM (#34443446)
    Wikileaks, which is revealing the truth about governments and therefore aiding (in a way) the democratic process - is being killed off because it is risky for companies to continue supporting it....
    • by darjen ( 879890 ) on Saturday December 04, 2010 @12:14PM (#34443740)

      If the government threatened to shut down your business because you were supporting Wikileaks, you would probably cave too. The real issue here, as always, is government pressure and the power of the state.

    • by ToasterMonkey ( 467067 ) on Saturday December 04, 2010 @12:23PM (#34443804) Homepage

      Wikileaks, which is revealing the truth about governments and therefore aiding (in a way) the democratic process

      How have they done either? What is your truth? Isolationism? What would you do at the reigns of a nation? "Please stop?", "They're all nuts, close all our windows!"

      The truth is, most people continue to not understand politics, local and especially international. Just as "assist ugly nation X suppress worse nation Y" doesn't mesh with anyone's rose colored view of the world, "congressman from state X brings huge contract to state X" is met with "gah, teh corruption!!!1"

      Everyone wants to believe in some Us vs. Them fantasy world, where Them is fully cognizant, aware and intentionally driving Us in some direction against Our will, unbeknownst to Us, except for You and your favorite radio/TV Host.

      Wikileaks can't fix that.

      Seriously, how has Wikileaks "aided the democratic process"?

  • Freedom (Score:5, Insightful)

    by Stellian ( 673475 ) on Saturday December 04, 2010 @11:34AM (#34443452)

    Freedom works both ways. I give you the freedom of speech, but please allow me the freedom to not do business with you.
    I don't so much mind the fact that some american businesses are bigoted red-necks. The politicians are the one to watch.

    • Re:Freedom (Score:5, Insightful)

      by Mysteray ( 713473 ) on Saturday December 04, 2010 @01:19PM (#34444292) Homepage

      Freedom works both ways. I give you the freedom of speech, but please allow me the freedom to not do business with you.

      As a private citizen, I expect the right to be able to invite who I want, and not invite who I don't want, to my birthday party. And they have the right not to come. Or come and bring me a lousy gift. Or come and complain that I serve chocolate cupcakes instead of strawberry. Or whatever.

      But when you go out into the community and open a business, you give up a bit of that right in the interest of others' rights of fair dealing. For example, it's been settled unequivocally that you can't run a lunch counter and refuse to serve blacks.

      So, no, Amazon doesn't have the "freedom to not do business with you". They sell raw CPU by the cycle, disk storage and network bandwidth by the byte. In my opinion it is despicable for them to discriminate against customers based on political beliefs and vague innuendo of legal issues when no actual US law has been cited against their customer.

      For a bookseller and publisher such as Amazon who's profits derive directly from first amendment protections of the press to actively show contempt for those principles is, IMHO, downright disgusting. Keep in mind, this is the company that's trying to sell us books they can later erase.

  • Wow. (Score:5, Insightful)

    by ( 1265320 ) on Saturday December 04, 2010 @11:37AM (#34443472) Homepage
    well, Guess it's time to close that account then.

    what a bunch of bullshit. I'm getting so tired of the the divide that's developing.
  • by sunderland56 ( 621843 ) on Saturday December 04, 2010 @11:38AM (#34443476)
    It is surprising, watching the entire WikiLeaks controversy, how quickly American corporations discard the concepts and ideals of the American constitution.
    • by cob666 ( 656740 )
      The presumption of innocence only applies in a criminal proceeding if I'm not mistaken. A corporation has every right to terminate a business relationship for whatever reason they want.
    • It is surprising, watching the entire WikiLeaks controversy, how quickly American corporations discard the concepts and ideals of the American constitution.

      Which concepts and ideals in the American constitution are being discarded by corporations? Since when do we expect corporations to be the source of, or protector of, our constitutional liberties, anyway?

  • Source? (Score:5, Insightful)

    by Anonymous Coward on Saturday December 04, 2010 @11:40AM (#34443482)

    "most knowledgeable on-line users will have been refusing to use them for years "

    While it's true that paypal generates animosity for some, I still think that the above statement requires a source before putting it in the article summary like it's a fact.

    • Really? (Score:5, Informative)

      by inotocracy ( 762166 ) on Saturday December 04, 2010 @11:55AM (#34443572) Homepage
      I think it's pretty commonly known that paypal sucks []. Not that long ago Paypal locked the account of the indie developer of Minecraft for no good reason [], holding over $600k hostage.
      • Re:Really? (Score:4, Informative)

        by westlake ( 615356 ) on Saturday December 04, 2010 @12:39PM (#34443954)

        I think it's pretty commonly known that paypal sucks.

        It is also pretty well known that PayPal is wildly successful:

        PayPal accounted for 37 percent of eBay's overall revenue in the third quarter compared with 23 percent just five years ago. EBay's payments unit, which consists mostly of PayPal, had $838 million in revenue in the three months ended Sept. 30, up 22 percent from the period a year earlier. The auction and retail operations, which eBay calls marketplace, took in $1.41 billion in revenue during the same period, an increase of just 3 percent.
        If the current growth patterns continue, PayPal will surpass its parent in revenue around 2014 -- and even sooner if the unit is able to insinuate itself into mobile payments as successfully as it has with Web transactions.
        For PayPal, the Future Is Mobile []

        PayPal Black Friday Payments Up 27% []

    • Re:Source? (Score:4, Informative)

      by Zero__Kelvin ( 151819 ) on Saturday December 04, 2010 @11:55AM (#34443574) Homepage

      "PayPal's move is unlikely to result in many more people boycotting the company, as most knowledgeable on-line users will have been refusing to use them for years for a wide variety of abusive practices."

      On a related note, there is a difference between boycotting many of their other targets and Wikileaks. Many of the earlier bad behavior was targeted at sites most people didn't know about or care very strongly about (IIRC), whereas this is a very controversial issue for most US citizens, and others across the globe. I think we can expect numerous current PayPal users to stop using them, and others who have never used them to start, as this is a very polarizing issue. For the record, I hope most people stop using them, but my already crushed hope that most US citizens understand basic elementary school civics makes me less than certain what the outcome will be overall for PayPal.

  • by aaaaaaargh! ( 1150173 ) on Saturday December 04, 2010 @11:41AM (#34443486)

    Yes, it's always dangerous to do business with large companies like Amazon or Paypal that aggressively try to obtain a monopoly in their market, because these kind of companies usually give a shit about individual customers. For my shareware I've been using Kagi from the start and never had any problem with them.

    But I must confess that I'm still using Amazon S3 for my backups. (I wonder what happens if I upload a copy of the cable leaks in unencrypted form? Will my account be canceled without prior notice and all my backups be gone?)

    Question: Can anyone recommend a reasonably prized alternative to the S3/Jungledisk combo?

  • by unity100 ( 970058 ) on Saturday December 04, 2010 @11:41AM (#34443492) Homepage Journal
    There were idiots believing there could be freedom with full feudalism (capitalism) being allowed in the economic side of life, and democracy and equality in the political side of life.

    See how that works ? you are free to say anything you want, from the political side, but, you dont have the MEANS to say it from the economic side.

    basically, the corporations which dominate the economic side, determine how far your freedom goes. it doesnt matter ZIT whether you are allowed full freedoms in the political side of life.

    its stupid anyway - you let everyone be free and equal, but, you give the control of the means to exercise those freedoms to the most wealthy. what did you think would happen ?

    this ....
    • by SmallFurryCreature ( 593017 ) on Saturday December 04, 2010 @12:07PM (#34443672) Journal

      Freedom of publication. But can you afford to pay for the press, the ink, the distribution?

      Freedom of broadcasting. But can you afford the license fee for the frequency, the cost of powering the transmitter?

      Freedom to gather. But can you afford to take a day of work, the travel expenses? Can you get a meeting place?

      The chains of oppression are never more powerful then when those chains are of our own making. We make the super-companies and gave them the power to control society. Google dictates what you can put on a website, oh you can pay for bandwidth yourself but who can afford to pay for a DDOS attack traffic? So you get google ads and abide by their content laws or you get the money elsewhere.

      Through paypal donations? Only when PayPal approves.

      The proof? Boobies. There is no need for congress to ban boobies on TV, self regulation does it already. How nice. But it goes further. Just how do you get something published on TV if the powers that be do not want it? Oh, you might be able to get it on some tiny channel but then the fast majority will never see it.

      Mission accomplished.

      The conspiracy theory nuts never think devious enough. They fear jackbooted thugs marching down the street when it is so much simpler to simply let it be known that an action would displease you and all the little puppets spring into action to prevent the risk that this displeasement might come on their necks. I could whip you into obeying my orders, or I could make you fear you won't have a job tomorrow with which to pay your credit card debt. I can only whip one person at a time. I can ruin thousands of lives by just signing a simple piece of paper except that the fear means I never have to do it to get you and your masters to obey.

      We are seeing now in action what western democracy has become. And nothing will change. Because our masters have replaced the whip with credit card payments, mortages and Idols. The romans would have been proud. To bad they are gone, bread and circusses didn't work out to well for us. Doubt it will for us.

      Wonder what the Chinese are making of all this. They seen the romans rice and fall, are we just another empire to die as the Chinese empire continues?

      • ...and? What of it? (Score:4, Informative)

        by Sycraft-fu ( 314770 ) on Saturday December 04, 2010 @06:10PM (#34445942)

        So you seem to be proposing that not only should the government have a duty to protect the freedom to do something, they should have to finance your doing it as well? You seem to have a rather fucked up understanding of freedom. Being free to do something doesn't mean that doing it has to be easy, or that someone else has to provide you everything to do it, it just means that you have to be allowed to do it. This is how freedom in nations has worked, well, forever. So whining that "Oh you aren't free because it costs money," is silly.

        Also, as this relates to this case, part of freedom means that your freedom can't step on the freedom of others. As the saying goes "Your freedom of speech ends at my door." You are free to speak your mind, but you cannot require me to listen to you. Likewise you cannot demand that I make my house available to you to speak in. You have the right to express yourself, but I can't be forced to help you if I don't want to because that infringes on my rights.

        Same is true with web sites and companies. I don't have to allow you to speak on my forums, I don't have to host you on my servers. To force me to do so would be to interfere with my freedoms.

        Freedom does not mean that you can do whatever you want, and it also doesn't mean that everyone has to help you do what you want.

  • It took this long? (Score:4, Interesting)

    by owlnation ( 858981 ) on Saturday December 04, 2010 @11:46AM (#34443524)
    I'm surprised, I'd have thought Paypal would have been the first to cut ties. Especially considering their connection to Meg Whitman.

    Though, this is probably a good thing. Considering Paypal's reputation and standing, Paypal is a company that Wikileaks should have been publishing documents about, rather than using as a payment partner.
  • backfire (Score:4, Insightful)

    by Danathar ( 267989 ) on Saturday December 04, 2010 @11:47AM (#34443528) Journal

    I think there is a real possibility that the more they stamp down on wikileaks the more people are likely to support it. You don't need paypal to get donations. Unless the government is going to open mail and remove checks (I suppose that COULD happen) wikileaks will get support.

    As for the Web site, copies of it will float around forever in bittorrent, question is,...will we see wikileaks move completely over to something like freenet (which it has not done but it is being mirrored by 3rd party individuals on freenet)

  • by GreatBunzinni ( 642500 ) on Saturday December 04, 2010 @11:52AM (#34443550)

    This has suddenly become an excellent business opportunity to any company that wants free publicity and wishes to get a chunk of Paypal's business. It only needs to contact wikileaks and offer their regular service, along with an assurance that they won't cancel the account. That, alone, will contrast with Paypal's notorious appalling business behaviour, which systematically lets their paying customers hang out to dry.

    So, care to put your money where your mouth is, alertpay and co ?

  • by unity100 ( 970058 ) on Saturday December 04, 2010 @11:56AM (#34443578) Homepage Journal
    I have demanded that they reinstate wikileaks account, and noted that i would migrate my business from paypal to other means, and also advise my ecommerce clients to do as such too. In addition, because im in the Eu zone, i have filed my complaint under 'file a complaint in the european union'.

    i have also stated that i was going to file an official complaint with the European Parliament regarding the matter, unless the account is not reinstated. As a citizen of a candidate country, i have that right. Any citizen of any member or candidate country, has that right. If you file your complaint properly with your name, address, it is processed by Eu Parl even if it is by email.

    take action.

    i said, i didnt want to do business with a corporation that caves into the pressure of a single senator from a single country. Let paypal show its international, if it wants to do business internationally.
  • In your face. (Score:5, Informative)

    by unity100 ( 970058 ) on Saturday December 04, 2010 @12:01PM (#34443614) Homepage Journal
    Doing that wasnt on my mind even. Thanks, whichever moron, has pressurized paypal to suspend them. They made me donate to wikileaks.

    Thank you for your donation.

    Your payment of EUR 25 has been received 4.12.2010 16:02:31
    With your VISA xxxxxxxxxxxx9516
    Reference : 5729

    The Wikileaks Team, Sunshine Press
  • whats going on? (Score:5, Insightful)

    by Charliemopps ( 1157495 ) on Saturday December 04, 2010 @12:06PM (#34443660)
    I dunno if you've noticed lately but:
    A. The government is taking down domain names without warrants
    B. The government is pressuring hosts to remove services
    C. The government is encouraging if not mandating ISP to throttle bit torrents
    D. The government is tracking US citizens Via their Credit cards, telephone conversations, Internet traffic and cellphones without warrants.
    E. All sorts of other nefarious things we aren't aware of yet...

    Seriously, this is turning into a bad Oliver Stone movie.
  • I guess this is the time when the veil's opened and we realize that the web designed by Tim Berners-Lee, is dead.

    The Internet has stopped being the land of free-speech as we know it. At any time that corporate or government interests are against free speech, they just hit the political off-switch. If someone decides to install internet routers and domain systems in another country, expect that country to be labelled "terrorist" and invaded by those with power.

    Expect peer-to-peer information sources and services to be outlawed. Guess the cyberpunks authors got it right after all.

  • by anonieuweling ( 536832 ) on Saturday December 04, 2010 @12:22PM (#34443796)
    So, exposing what a criminal/terrorist/etc government does make YOU an criminal/terrorist/etc, at least in the eyes of Paypal, Inc.
  • by unity100 ( 970058 ) on Saturday December 04, 2010 @12:25PM (#34443816) Homepage Journal
    Paypal is basically discriminating against an entity/person based in European Union, based on political pressure in united states.

    United states, is not in european union.

    Petition european parliament at the below url via their online form, or, mail your petition to the address below and ask European Parliament look into the practices of Paypal in european union, and take action against their holdings in Eu, if they are found in violation. If they are to do business in European union, they have to abide by its rules and regulations. []

    Committee on Petitions
    The Secretariat
    Rue Wiertz
    B-1047 Brussels
  • by bradley13 ( 1118935 ) on Saturday December 04, 2010 @12:30PM (#34443862) Homepage

    Which is it? Are these companies totally gutless? Unable to recognize the positive publicity they could spin from this? Or - more likely - have they been put under back-room pressure by governmental officials? If so, they should publish *that* through Wikileaks.

    The accounts were terminated, because Wikileaks violated their terms of service. Specifically "encouraging illegal activity". Of course the material is illegal - lots of it is classified, and whoever leaked it violated the law. That's kind of the point. Whistleblowing is always against some regulation, be it corporate or governmental. Whistleblowing to expose corrupt, unethical or simply improper practices nonetheless remains important, and should be supported.

    In the current round of Wikileaks stuff, I haven't heard of any major bombshells. However, the sheer mass of classified materials points to improper governmental secrecy. There is no reason for most of this stuff to be classified in any way. After World War I, Woodrow Wilson named fourteen points for preserving international peace. His very first point includes the statement: "...there shall be no private international understanding of any kind but diplomacy shall proceed always frankly and in the public view."

  • by Anonymous Coward on Saturday December 04, 2010 @01:05PM (#34444168)

    Isn't it interesting that Amazon quite genuinely publicly defended a Paedophilia how-to guidebook longer than Wikileaks? I'm surprised no one else seems to be talking about this in all the discussions I've seen so far on Wikileaks being dropped.

    Though the author claimed it did no wrong, and was about 'loving children', reports stated it went so far as to discuss how to create custom condoms for use with children, that's a far cry from innocent intent, but an attack on the innocent.

    "Amazon believes it is censorship not to sell certain books simply because we or others believe their message is objectionable," it stated.

    And yet the single biggest defender of the right to true free speech this century, perhaps even ever, is dumped from their servers quicker than 'TSA for dummies, a terrorists guide' would be.

  • by mswhippingboy ( 754599 ) on Saturday December 04, 2010 @01:06PM (#34444178)
    I find the timing of the massive attempts to shutdown wikileaks at all costs curious (maybe it's just the conspiracy theorist in me). I have no doubt those in power were aware of the pending release of the Afganistan diaries in July. This dump contained information and videos embarrassing (to say the least) to the US, but no real attempt was made to block it's release. The next major dump (gablegate) was no doubt anticipated beforehand as well and we began seeing some moves afoot to try and block it's dissemination, but no "bring the hammer down and stop it at all costs before it gets out" effort. That seems to have changed last week. The government is now warning all military, civilian and contractors to not download and/or read the documents, or they might jeopardize their jobs (or worse). However, the documents are already out there and being reported on. It would seem a little late to try to put the genie back in the bottle, so what's going on here?

    Could it be that the next announced major document dump , the so-called "banking information megadump" is the real dump that cannot be allowed to be made public? It's no secret that it's really the banks that control all governments, including the US (or so the conspiracy goes). I'm not sure how much stock to put in this conspiracy theory, but it does make a good deal of common sense that those with the money pull the levers.

    I does make one wonder - I'm just sayin'
  • by PPH ( 736903 ) on Saturday December 04, 2010 @01:36PM (#34444410)

    ... of how deeply fascist tendencies have crept into our socio-economic system.

    Our government depends heavily upon the cooperation of the corporate community to perform enforcement functions that they themselves are prohibited from by the Constitution. In a true free market, business would tell the government to take a hike until such time as a court injunction was in hand. Up to that point, everyone's money is green. But its evident that our system provides incentives (or pressure) to the corporate world to participate in public policy initiatives, distorting supply and price signals upon which an efficient market depends.

  • by fishexe ( 168879 ) on Saturday December 04, 2010 @03:17PM (#34445030) Homepage

    To all those who are saying, "Don't blame PayPal and Amazon, because they are responding to government pressure! It's the big bad government that's to blame, not friendly American businesses!" (and there are several of these in the above threads) I would just like to point out that your government/business dichotomy doesn't actually exist in the real world. While I'm sure some in the government have approached these companies, I'd be willing to bet my life the decisions were made for independent business reasons, because the large corporations know which side their bread is buttered on, and it's the side of a large and powerful US government.

    Do you really believe the shareholders of PayPal and Amazon don't see a strong US government as profitable to them? Most of these shareholders own stock in many other corporations, probably including corporations who benefited from government giveaways in Iraq and Afghanistan, from hundreds of other government contracts, from bank bailouts, or from the auto bailout. Notably, anyone who owns stock in companies engaged in war profiteering suffers from both the diplomatic cable leaks and the military leaks because they need the government to have a free hand in matters of war and peace in order to make the decisions that most profit them.

    In this country, large corporations and government are on the same side. They have been for decades. They work together to screw us. Think about it: who do politicians most closely listen to? Lobbyists. Who has most of the lobbyists? Big corporations. The only time government and big corporations are NOT on the same side is when we, the people, really push our government to do something different, and at that point government sometimes does something somewhat beneficial while corporations fight it and claim the government is "anti-business". The truth is, the government is never anti-business except when businesses are doing something really wrong and the people stand up to vocally oppose them.

    After all, how could an entity controlled by business be anti-business?

  • by r7 ( 409657 ) on Saturday December 04, 2010 @03:21PM (#34445050)

    Not just Paypal but Wells Fargo as well. When I heard about Paypal and Amazon I went to the wikileaks website to make a donation. Not only was my charge denied but they put a hold on my card! Talk about harassment. It's bad enough when your own government breaks the law, worse when vendors decide to run a protection racket when they disagree with a customer's purchases/donations.

System checkpoint complete.