Federal Court Issues Permanent Injunction For Isohunt 212
suraj.sun writes with this excerpt from NewTeeVee: "Judge Stephen Wilson of the US District Court of California, Southern District, issued a permanent injunction (PDF) against the popular torrent site Isohunt yesterday, forcing the site and its owner Garry Fung to immediately prevent access to virtually all Hollywood movies. The injunction theoretically leaves the door open for the site to deploy a strict filtering system, but its terms are so broad that Isohunt has little choice but to shut down or at the very least block all US visitors. ... The verdict states that they have to cease 'hosting, indexing, linking to, or otherwise providing access to any (torrent) or similar files' that can be used to download the studios' movies and TV shows. Studios have to supply Isohunt with a list of titles of works they own, and Isohunt has to start blocking those torrents within 24 hours."
I hear Wildcard Studios just licensed their work (Score:2, Funny)
Wildcard Studios is allowing the MPAA to use the name of their movie "*" in their list of films to block.
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Wildcard Studios is allowing the MPAA to use the name of their movie "*" in their list of films to block.
Being somewhat of a chess buff, I hope I'm still able to download The Search for Bobby Tables.
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ACTA will change the cat and mouse game. If the bar is raised so there is no piracy (such as on the PS3), there will be a fundamental shift to OSS projects, and the IP battle will then be fought on the patent trolls versus OSS project maintainers front.
Necessity is the mother of invention. Right now, BitTorrent + proxies, or BitTorrent + addons is good enough. If BT sites get squashed, someone is going to make a replacement that is distributed, using magnet links and distributed trackers. It might even
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I don't know about such things, but is it theoretically possible for torrents to work without trackers?
I have a feeling that after ACTA and the RIAA and MPAA and the GNAA have finished changing the laws everywhere, and have done their best, that technology is going to continue to stay one step ahead of them.
Ultimately, I wonder if the only thing they can do that'll stop filesharing is to shut down
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Trackers are still used since some clients don't know how to do anything else. If not for such clients, BT could easily move to an already existing distributed tracking system.
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Trackers are needed so that the peers can locate each other efficiently. If you're downloading a file, the tracker will tell you who is hosting the various pieces so you can connect to them. Without the tracker your client would have no way to know the IP's which are hosting the file.
It's the same problem that's been present since the early days of P2P. You need to have some hosts which keep an index of th
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Support BitBlinder. They have made torrenting more anonymous, maybe they'll figure out a way to do distributed tracking next. bitblinder.com
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"I don't think piracy will be so widespread for many more years."
Are you that blind that you forget about sneakernet?
Holy shit half of slashdot needs Alzheimer's medication.
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You are, of course, 1000% correct. I play on the intartubes, fool around with the darknet, bitblinder, and other high tech stuff. My kids, less so - but they have stacks and stacks of CD's and DVD's that they share with their buddies at school and elsewhere. Sneakernet is much more efficient than all my high tech bullshit. I simply don't have the bandwidth to transfer all the data that the boys can carry in the bottom of a backpack on their way to a buddy's house.
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As MLTS has already stated, the *IAA's may be winning a few battles, but they haven't won the war. They'll have to do a lot better to prevent people like me from downloading anything and everything they want to download.
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ACTA won't end piracy. Piracy will adapt. These corporate tycoons and their congressional meat puppets are sloppy and naive. So what if IsoHunt blocks all US addresses ? This is the goddamned internet! Proxies. Use them.
Swedish courts can write injunctions until their fingers bleed, it only means people will get their fix elsewhere. TPB can't work on and other "torrent related site" ? Ok, Garry Fung can hire them up here in Canada, at least until they replace Obama with another oil baron to which our P.M. can suck up.
The biggest problem with these unconstitutional laws is they open up opportunities elsewhere. If the U.S., Sweden, or even Canada becomes unlivable for piracy sympathizers, we will find some other place to work our jobs, pay our taxes and live our lives, and there will always be at least one nation that will welcome our money with open arms. Even if that nation is China, if push comes to shove, I'll learn some Mandarin and Cantonese and go help them destroy the west.
Regardless of your stance on piracy itself, at some level you need to take a step back and look at what they're really doing here. If it's not piracy it's drugs, if it's not drugs it's sex, if it's not sex it'll be something else. Underneath it all, these are people who want our money, can't get it via normal means - in other words, they're not selling something we want to buy - so they enact arbitrary laws that force us to give up our money, whether we like it or not. Why is Oxycontin legal if you buy it from this rich guy, but it's a heinous offense if you buy it from this other guy down the street ? Why ? Because the rich guy bribes the congressmen, who bribe the regionals, who bribe the chiefs of police, who tell their lackeys which agenda to push that week. It's not about right vs wrong, it's about who paid for those Audis.
Freedom, they don't like us having it. Pick one thing, anything you hold dear. If there is a financial incentive, they will take it away from you, then sell it back at a premium.
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What's an acceptable price for a steaming pile of shit ? That accounts for 95% of the *IAA's output.
I get that I'm a freak, but I would much rather torrent an album, then send a $20 paypal to the artist if I liked it, than spend $10 at Walmart to buy the same music on disc - and I'm not even tabulating my irrational hatred of Walmart yet. The big problem is that we all know the people who profit off the arts are not the ones responsible for our enjoyment. They are pimps, nobody likes a pimp. No, not eve
Last time I checked (Score:5, Informative)
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Being that I live in Canada, and get more hassles going into the US then I do Japan, I wouldn't want to travel there either. Despite all the nice touristy types of things you can do. I'd rather travel half way across the world for a vacation now.
Re:Last time I checked (Score:4, Interesting)
Well, you don't even need to travel to US. Just travel to one of the countries (95% of the world) that has extradition treaty with US and they send you there right away, without even having a change to fight against extradition in Canadian court. You better not travel anywhere then.
Re:Last time I checked (Score:5, Informative)
Good point: Mark Emery (the so-called "Prince of Pot") was extradited from Vancouver to the US yesterday to face 5 years in a US prison for selling pot seeds by mail order (which is punishable in Canada by a $200 fine).
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Since when did a C&D order (civil) become a matter for extradition (criminal)?
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C&D's are extraditable in Canada, not even from province to province. Which of course would be insane if you thought of it any other way.
Of course people like to bring out the Mark Emory thing all the time too, but they forget that in the US it's a felony, in Canada it's equivalent to the same thing. Either side of the border it's a federal crime, the only difference is the amount of punishment you get for it. Sorry potheads, but that's the way life works. Canada is still 10yrs away from decriminali
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And I'm guessing you won't have to be electronically strip-searched in order to do it. That's another win.
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+1. I used to travel all the time to the US - Vegas 4 or 5 times a year, CA, NY. Now I avoid the country entirely. Plus all our servers have been removed from the US because the Patriot Act permits the government access to our customers' records while making it illegal for anyone to even inform us this has happened - we can't trust our customer data in that sort of environment (we are an entirely legitimate company with 60,000+ employees).
Land of the free? Home of the brave? Not so much...
Re:Last time I checked (Score:4, Informative)
I hope you dont give that access to your US employees. They could be compelled to access this information for the US Government and be prevented from telling you about it because of those national security letters.
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I don't get why tourists bother with the US either (that has nothing to do with security measures, and BTW I'm USian), but then tourists are bored enough to travel to the Persian Gulf Emirates...
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Ouch dude.
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I don't think North Korea is safer than US of A - just that they will treat you less like a criminal.
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This means it is safer. First as you say, it is less likely they will treat me as a criminal. And if they do, the world is on my side. If the USA treats me as criminal for what reason ever, there will be plenty of brainwashed zombies who will think I must deserve it somehow.
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and the world will do nothing, because you jumped in the shark tank with roast beef strapped to your balls.
I understand that the US govt sucks, but we know that because we're permitted to bitch about it A LOT, and there's nothing we like to do more than bitch about things and post it all over the internet.
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This may be true, or not. Depends on what is politically opportune in that moment.
You are allowed to bitch as long as it has not real consequences. The US government is stable enough to tolerate it. S
Re:Last time I checked (Score:5, Funny)
Last time I visited the US was about 10 years ago. We have everything we need up here, believe it or not.
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An elected head of state?
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In some ways, it's amazingly similar, in others, it's so drastically different. For one, Canada doesn't have a deep pervasive distrust of government in any form. I honestly don't see how people trust companies that are legitimately and honestly out to screw customers in the name of profit MORE than a government that has to actually answer for its actions on a continuing basis.
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I honestly don't see how people trust companies that are legitimately and honestly out to screw customers in the name of profit MORE than a government that has to actually answer for its actions on a continuing basis.
Maybe those people realize that screwing customers wouldn't be profitable in a system where established corporations couldn't rely on politicians and bureaucrats to stifle competition and innovation.
Re:Last time I checked (Score:5, Informative)
As a Canadian citizen who has visited the US a few times in the past, I'm actually scared to travel to your country, knowing what I know about what you do to some of your guests.
I'll stay up here, thanks.
Re:Last time I checked (Score:4, Interesting)
As a Canadian citizen who has visited the US a few times in the past, I'm actually scared to travel to your country, knowing what I know about what you do to some of your guests.
As a US citizen, I'm scared to travel to YOUR country because I eventually have to come back to mine. At that point, I'm treated like I obviously spent the last two weeks buying as much plastic explosives and heroin as I could possibly get my hands on. In 2000, I traveled to Israel for a month and was barely questioned when I returned. "Oh, you saw Jerusalem? That's so COOL!" These days I go to Banff for a week and come back and it's like I might have raped a dozen infants.
It's enough to make a person want to become a terrorist.
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I wasn't taking your comment seriously of course, but I'm just making two points, firstly that Americans need to start protesting, and secondly that terrorists are retarded since love is the most powerful "weapon" of all. You don't change a nation's course by blowing random citizens up, you change a nation by changing the hearts and minds of those who make up that nation.
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Well, you seem like an ass, so I'm glad you're staying up there.
Well, YOU seem like the ass, so I wish you'd move there.
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Just imagine what they want to do to him in Iran for hosting all of that capitalist filth.
Seriously though, so a judge in another country thinks I'm breaking his laws. Okay. That's nice. Good for him. What does he expect me to do about it?
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Speaking as a US citizen:
Shame on us for forcing our fascist crap on others.
Also shame on Canada for agreeing to extradite one of its citizens to face our fucked-up justice system.
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Whether it's right or not is neither here nor there he knew it was a crime and chose to profit from it anyways. This isn't fascist crap, violate the law of any other nation with an extradition treaty and see what happens.
He's had the benefit of the judicial system and opted to plead guilty for a
Appeal in Canada (Score:2)
He should file an appeal ... in Canada. The US just established cross-border jurisdiction (a court order in one country can be applied to another), so it would now be valid.
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I have to confess, I'm an engineer/scientest not a lawyer*. Can he get an injunction to block enforcement of the previous injunction? Dueling injunctions? My pride is hurt by the America bashing (wouldn't yours be too, if it were your mother counry?), but I feel anger at the wrongness of the situation.
* scientests stud
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I feel the wrongness in one country's laws being applied to someone in another country. If I rob a bank here in the USA, I would expect to be subject to the laws of the USA (if I get caught). What would make no sense would be for Canada to charge me with murder and conduct the trial in Canada. But that's a criminal matter, too. The cause this story is about is a civil matter. Imagine being sued by someone in Canada, in a Canadian court, even though you have never set foot in Canada ... and perhaps for
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My pride is hurt by the America bashing (wouldn't yours be too, if it were your mother counry?), but I feel anger at the wrongness of the situation.
Nope... it wouldnt change who I or my friends are. Nor would it change that, as is usually the case, a few idiots (whether they be in government or are just regular citizens) get the most publicity which causes such perceptions.
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Vacationing is a pain in the ass too. We usually fly out from Detroit metro, so we always have a hard time in the airport coming back home. They just can't seem to grasp why Canadians from Windsor would fly out of, and into, Detroit.
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Living in a border city, we cross several times a year from Windsor to Detroit (shopping, sporting events, etc) and each and every time we enter the US my ass puckers up. I HATE entering the states even though I have absolutely nothing to hide... it's brutal.
Brutal? What are you subject to? I'm curious to see if your experiences are much different than mine when I fly domestic.
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It depends on your last name. They got it into their heads that evilness depends on how foreign your last name sounds.
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Living in a border city, we cross several times a year from Windsor to Detroit (shopping, sporting events, etc) and each and every time we enter the US my ass puckers up. I HATE entering the states even though I have absolutely nothing to hide... it's brutal.
Brutal? What are you subject to? I'm curious to see if your experiences are much different than mine when I fly domestic.
It's hyperbole. But still. Considering the circumstances, it's absurd. I too am a Windsorite who occasionally crosses into Detroit (these days to do indoor rock-climbing). At the minimal these days I'm subjected to an hour wait to manage to enter a city that has been part of "my" skyline for 37 years. 45 of those minutes are spent sitting in a tunnel under the river. Say goodbye to a gallon of gas. Once I finally emerge into the light once again I get to admire the parking lot that is the waiting area for processing. Then my vehicle and I get to pass through a bewildering array of scanners, cameras, and I-don't-know-what that pretty much looks like a war zone. Finally I get a nice 5 to 10 minute interview with a border guard with a gun wherein I justify to his or her satisfaction that I am who my papers say I am, and that I have a good enough reason to enter the U.S. The entire time I am painfully aware that if I appear too nervous, not nervous enough, or my story triggers any sort of profile I can and will be detained, potentially for hours. My car (which I quite adore) may be literally disassembled while I am not permitted to watch. I may be personally searched, permanently flagged as suspicious, and the future process may become significantly more difficult for me.
Why?
What the hell is the justification for this absurdity? Please understand... if I want to get into the U.S. to do anything malicious, all I need to do is rent a canoe or Jet-ski. I can bring in whatever quantity of whatever I want with me. Get this... there's a "party" island in the middle of the river. People from both countries can dock there and hang out on the beach, without passing customs. I can get off my boat and onto someone else', with or without weapons, drugs, nuclear armaments, dirty bombs, bio-weapons, or child pornography.
The border is a feel-good joke that makes nobody feel good except those American voters who don't have to use it. It will not keep Americans safe. It will not inconvenience theoretical terrorists. It will not prevent attacks.
I have lived in Windsor for 37 years. I've been crossing this border periodically for most of them. I've been driving the same car for two years. I've been going to the same climbing facility for nine months. WAVE ME THE FUCK THROUGH. I'd love to answer the 20 questions like "where do you work" with "same place as three weeks ago", but I don't want my asshole probed. I am afraid. That is just plain wrong. Know the saying "if you've got nothing to hide you've got nothing to be afraid of"? In this case it's totally inaccurate.
I am not he psychotic American-hating vengeful, spiteful, angry, bomb-toting, murderous boogieman you are afraid of. But on a scale of zero to a million, where I was at zero most of my life, I'm now at a strong one on the scale of ending the last sentence with "yet".
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Worse, the constitution-free zone extends 100 miles inland. [wordpress.com] That region is where I spend 95% of my time.
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But its for the children, buck up little trooper.
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( So if you have nothing to hide, then you won't mind if I place hidden cameras in your bathroom ceiling fan and watch you shower and shit? After all, you're not doing anything illegal and you have nothing to hide, right? Everybody shits, right?
You are a goddamn retard. Not being watched, poked, and prodded like a goddamn animal in a zoo is a right that should be afforded to every American[and preferably foreign tourists who want to give us a hand and spend their money here, especially in this economy]. Do you seriously believe that we're under constant threat of terrorist attacks and that those checkpoints will do anything to stop the few who would want to hurt us?
As for your relationship with the LEO -- hanging out in chat rooms and pretending to be a 13 year old girl does not make you a federal agent, it makes you a useful idiot looking for a pat on the head.
Damn, trolled again. Also, you're going from friend to foe -- I have no problem with different opinions as long as they aren't just retarded. )
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What's sad and yet ironic in all this is that, in the name of not wanting to share your precious country with evil outsiders, you're actively eroding the very freedoms that made it great in the first place.
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That doesn't mean Isohunt and Fung have no assets that can be reached in the states. No substantial corporate presence in the states.
movies on... ISOhunt? (Score:2)
Can someone clue me in to why isohunt was hosting movies/music in the first place?
Re:movies on... ISOhunt? (Score:5, Funny)
Can someone clue me in to why isohunt was hosting movies/music in the first place?
Because they're they favorite food of isos, and isohunt was luring them in for the kill.
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It wasnt. It was just indexing people who might have pointers to where they could be found.
But to answer the question you were trying to ask, backing up a DVD as an .iso file is perfectly normal and sensible.
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Yea, I wrote "host" but thought "track" - yay for editing (er...)
This proves how clueless (Score:2)
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It proves how clueless the geek is about how the law works.
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wealth AND power. Not wealth OR power.
A geek knows the difference.
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High income does not equate to wealth and power. Your average IT professional is going to be upper middle class, which is to say prime sheep for fleecing, not wealthy and powerful.
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What country are YOU in? Do laws in OTHER countries apply to YOU when YOU are NOT in those other countries, at all?
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What country are YOU in? Do laws in OTHER countries apply to YOU when YOU are NOT in those other countries, at all?
Just a friendly tech-support related tip, I think there may be an intermittent issue with your shift or caps lock key. You might want to get that checked out.
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Actually, it is not intermittent. It is systematic. I think you will be able to figure it out.
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But that's a law in your country applying to you when you are outside of your country. That's perfectly normal - US tax laws apply to US citizens outside the US for example.
That is fundamentally different from a country you are not in and not a citizen of acting as if its laws apply to you. Which is what is being asked.
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yeah, but that's one of your Belgian laws that apply to you, as a Belgian, in other countries. We have similar in the UK (go abroad to kiddie-fiddle and you're still going to gaol despite committing the offence in another country, like Thailand).
That's not the same as another country's laws applying to you when you are in Belgium. Unless that country is America which expects everyone to be subject to their laws (and customs) no matter where you are, but that doesn't apply to Americans with other country's l
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Belgium
Potty-mouth! Let's have less of your disgusting profanities here, please.
[Apologies to non-EU readers, and those unaware that naughtier words exist than fuck and cunt]
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But what about laws in some other country like USA telling you, a Belgian, what you can or cannot do, or judicial orders telling you what you must do, in your own country, especially if you have never even been in USA?
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Google is different case. They have branch offices in several countries. Probably one in Italy (since they have one in Brazil).
So they are subject to those countries laws.
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I agree 100%.. but I also have to wonder WHY it is up to the site to prevent US users from accessing it. If it is legal in his country, but not in others, how is it HIS responsibility to police its' use in those other countries? Shouldn't it be up to the individual to run the risk of violating the law? You can't really claim isohunt is in the distributing end of things either. Technically, it would be the ISPs and hosting providers that are distributing...
Again, not like this will change anything for anyone
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Again, this proves just how utterly clueless judges (and politicans) are of how the Internet actually works
Heh...yeah. Those idiots think that torrents actually get used for piracy!..And that its not completely impossible to write a regex to filter out a list of file names. Oh, wait.
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And clueless about international borders.
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The only way to comply with it would be to download every single torrent and check the contents manually BEFORE posting the link. Which is only possible in theory.
Is this really the end? (Score:2, Insightful)
I wonder how much of his traffic is actually from the US.
And how is he supposed to prevent someone from setting up "http://isohunt.mydomain.notus" to just proxy Isohunt so he can anyway get hits on his adverts? If the proxy would siphon off some of the ads for their own income stream, this might be an interesting business model.
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I wonder how much of his traffic is actually from the US.
Stats from Alexa for Isohunt.com:
Visitors by Country
[Percent of Site Traffic][Rounded]
USA 17.4%
India 9%
UK 7%
Canada 4%
Australia 6%
Japan 4%
Audience Demographics
[Relative to the general internet population]
Age: 18-24
Interest drops off a cliff as the audience ages.
Gender: Male
Has Children: Close call. But probably not.
Education: Some college
Browsing location: Home and School. No surprise there.
idohunt.com [alexa.com]
A better PDF link (Score:2)
Can we please not have links that go to crazy sites with silly programming that wants your password to other sites? How about just a straight link that gets the file. Why can't Slashdot just host the PDF?
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Someone should set up a torrent for that.
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Isohunt never had its own tracker... which is why its demise is no great loss.
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"Why can't Slashdot just host the PDF?"
Because the editors/managers have a lower IQ than most of us?
I mean, it shouldn't be *THAT HARD* to implement the solution you state.
But then again, they *ARE* after your money, no matter what good you think the site is doing.
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only when the majority of people in the world are sitting at their computers with an armed guard watching to ensure that each and every one of us is complying with american copyright laws, will they get to maintain their fucking Draconian laws.
at which point, the people getting paid to watch people will begin thinking they're "entitled to a little piracy, as t
Governemtn for the people.. (Score:2)
Ya, right. its all about the highest bidder.
the studios are winning (Score:2)
How does isohunt know (Score:3, Insightful)
How does isohunt know which torrents are actual movies and which aren't? do they have to download and watch every file? I understand that the studios own the movies, but do they also own filenames?
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I don't have the legal skills to know which one is right, but ISOHunt is still not actually filtering.
For which country? The one the (proposed) order would have to be enforced in?
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Despite rumors that we are ordered to filter by keywords for the US, there's only a proposed order, no actual order.
The isoHunt announcement is dated April 5 Annonucements [isohunt.com]. The permanent injunction was filed May 20th. isoHunt Permanent Injunction [scribd.com]
The court had this to say about its right to act:
The Court further clarifies that this injunction covers any acts
of direct infringement, as defined in 17 U.S.C. 106, that take place
in the United States. To the extent that an act of reproducing,
copying, distributing, performing, or displaying takes place in the
United States, it may violate 17 U.S.C. 106, subject to the generally
applicable requirements and defenses of the Copyright Act.
As
explained in the Court's December 23, 2009 Order, "United States
copyright law does not require that both parties be located in the
United States. Rather, the acts of uploading and downloading are each
independent grounds of copyright infringement liability." Summary
Judgment Order at 19. Each download or upload of Plaintiffs'
copyrighted material violates Plaintiffs' copyrights if even a single
United States-based user is involved in the "swarm" process of
distributing, transmitting, or receiving a portion of a computer file
containing Plaintiffs' copyrighted content.
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If he changes his tune suddenly he faces a lawsuit from me.
Yes, we set this trap up for the RIAA/MPAA. Now I have them violating my copyright and usurping my copyright control (I use that site for distribution,) and my legal authority to determine how my films/lessons/self-recorded audio files are disseminated. BIG NO-NO and THEY BURIED THEMSELVES BY FIGHTING FOR SUCH LAWS.
I'm about to own them and win, no matter what they try to do - my resources are worth far more, as I can prove my resources will drop TR
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Apparently you've never dealt with a BBS. FreeNet gives me megabit+ connections.