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LimeWire Likely To Shut Down Soon 264

suraj.sun quotes from a CNET story: "A federal court judge has likely dealt a death blow to LimeWire, one of the most popular and oldest file-sharing systems, according to legal experts. On Wednesday ... US District Judge Kimba Wood granted summary judgment in favor of the ... [RIAA], which filed a copyright lawsuit against LimeWire in 2006. In her decision, Wood ruled Lime Group, parent of LimeWire software maker Lime Wire, and founder Mark Gorton committed copyright infringement, induced copyright infringement, and engaged in unfair competition. 'It is obviously a fairly fatal decision for them,' said [an industry defense lawyer]. 'If they don't shut down, the other side will likely make a request for an injunction and there's nothing left but to go on to calculating damages.'" The article notes that LimeWire is used by nearly 60% of the people who download songs.
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LimeWire Likely To Shut Down Soon

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  • by Anonymous Coward on Sunday May 16, 2010 @06:29PM (#32230710)

    Its the gnutella network.

    There are already a half-a-dozen alternative clients.

    Its like the legal profession is completely naive of how software on the Internet works.

  • by ScrewMaster ( 602015 ) on Sunday May 16, 2010 @06:36PM (#32230758)

    And nothing of value was lost. Seriously, who uses an inefficient cruddy program like Limewire when you've got bit torrent?

    You don't use a torrent to grab a three or four meg file: swarming protocols work best for sharing large files.

    The Gnutella network was, and is, very efficient at sharing small files (you know, the kind that keep media executives up at night.) That said, there are plenty of other ways to share such information, and all the RIAA has done is to (once again) continue the game of whack-a-mole. There are many other Gnutella clients available (personally, I like Phex: multi-platform, open-source, and does what I need. Pick it up on SourceForge) and people will quickly find them. Let the lawyers celebrate their "victory", for whatever it's worth.

  • FrostWire (Score:5, Informative)

    by Meneth ( 872868 ) on Sunday May 16, 2010 @06:37PM (#32230770)
    It's not like the Gnutella network will shut down. Even if LimeWire stops distributing its client, there are plenty of others. For example, FrostWire [frostwire.com].
  • by Anonymous Coward on Sunday May 16, 2010 @06:49PM (#32230866)

    For MP3s, it's actually perfectly fine. I've never gotten anything troublesome from LimeWire. Search results are always crowded with garbage, but the spam is so crude that you'd have to be a moron to download it:

    Pretend Example Search: kate bush wuthering heights

    1. "kate bush wuthering heights.mp3"

    Do not download files whose names are identical to your search

    2. "Kate Bush - Wuthering Heights.wmv"

    Do not download WMVs

    3. "Kate Bush - Wuthering Heights.mp3 ~ 3kB"

    Sort by size and find something near 1MB-per-minute

    4. "Kate Bush - Wuthering Heights.mp3 (rare live recording)"

    Strangely, every song ever recorded has a "rare live recording" that you probably shouldn't download.
    5. "underage porn sex girl with horse and dog"

    Even if you WERE looking for filthy, illegal porn you'd have to be an idiot to download that. But man, there are a lot of files with names like that.

    So you search, sort by size, download something with a sane name of the right size, and probably never play it in WMP, just to be safe.

    But really? The "index of" Google search has largely replaced LimeWire for me anyway. It's fast, it's easy, you don't spew your hot, sticky IP all over the Gnutella network, you can use it from any smartphone with a web browser...it's gotten extremely polluted with fake spam index-of sites, but there are also sites that helper filter the spam sites.

    BitTorrent just seems like a waste of energy for music...but I don't really know why. I suppose it works as well for small files as large... it just feels like more work to search for something so small in the browser, open it in a new app, clutter uTorrent with a thousand tiny downloads...

    LimeWire still has a place in my heart.

  • by Darkness404 ( 1287218 ) on Sunday May 16, 2010 @06:55PM (#32230938)
    Yeah, Limewire is generally crap because so many songs are incorrectly attributed, wrong titles, etc.

    The problem with iTunes and the like is it is impossible to get many artists, other times you can find early or later works by a band but can't find the ones you want, or in extreme cases iTunes wants you to pay $10+ for the album when you really want one song.

    Music distributors finally got their heads out of their rears recently and eliminated DRM for the most part, but there is still a lot of things they are doing wrong.
  • by linzeal ( 197905 ) on Sunday May 16, 2010 @07:00PM (#32230972) Homepage Journal
    I know maybe 2 or 3 people who actually use iTunes to buy not organize music. Is it more popular in the under 30's or something, because everyone I know either buys CDs/LPs or pirates everything.
  • Shareaza (Score:2, Informative)

    by enter to exit ( 1049190 ) on Sunday May 16, 2010 @07:27PM (#32231174)
    For those of you who have a reason to avoid torrents. Shareaza is an excellent (clean and superior) alternative. ( http://shareaza.sourceforge.net/ [sourceforge.net] ). It supports eDonkey2000, Gnutella, Gnutella2 and handles bitTorrent acceptably. It is free software (GPL).

    windows only (kinda works on wine)
  • by pushing-robot ( 1037830 ) on Sunday May 16, 2010 @07:29PM (#32231182)

    Most decent clients will let you download only specific files from a torrent.

  • by Anonymous Coward on Sunday May 16, 2010 @07:29PM (#32231184)

    Good luck finding a decent torrent for small files. Yeah, BitTorrent is great for downloading a 700 MB Ubuntu ISO, yeah, its great for getting every song a band sang, ever. But, for downloading a single song or other small files? BitTorrent is pretty terrible.

    what do you mean, if a torrent contains a zip file of an entire album, you can download just one song from it.

  • by Larryish ( 1215510 ) <larryish@gmail . c om> on Sunday May 16, 2010 @07:33PM (#32231208)

    Bittorrent is excellent for downloading individual files.

    Most torrent clients allow you to download individual files from a collection via some sort of Properties dialog.

    You get the .torrent for the entire album or collection. Then when you load it in your client you go to the Properties/Files dialog and uncheck every song or file except those that you wish to download.

    It is good for things like John Mayer albums, where most of the songs on the new album are repeats of songs from the previous album.

    A lazy bastard, he is.

  • by westlake ( 615356 ) on Sunday May 16, 2010 @08:16PM (#32231494)

    From Reuters:

    First, the judge found Gorton, who is also LimeWire's sole director, personally liable for infringement, observing in her ruling that "an individual, including a corporate officer, who has the ability to supervise infringing activity and has a financial interest in that activity, or who personally participates in that activity is personally liable for infringement."

    That will likely strike fear in the hearts of would-be P2P moguls who may have been clinging to the belief that they could hide behind corporate shells, insulating their own assets if the law ever caught up with them.

    Ruling could have chilling effect on P2P services [reuters.com]

  • Re:Good (Score:3, Informative)

    by Animats ( 122034 ) on Sunday May 16, 2010 @08:25PM (#32231568) Homepage

    Imagine, if you can't download Windows, Photoshop or MS Office anymore.

    The problem is buying a machine without Windows or MS Office, not downloading it.

    Photoshop Elements ($79) is enough for most people. Really, the typical teenager in his parent's basement has no need for CYMK separation capability. Most printing plants prefer to do that themselves now; they know their own ink and press capabilities.

  • Re:UMG v. MP3.com (Score:3, Informative)

    by tepples ( 727027 ) <{tepples} {at} {gmail.com}> on Sunday May 16, 2010 @08:35PM (#32231618) Homepage Journal

    What defines the law is what the population will put up with. If no one will put up with the lawyer's bullshit view then it's unenforceable.

    What defines what the population will put up with is what the major publishers, through the news media, tell the population to put up with. For example, every major commercial TV news channel in the United States (CBS, ABC, NBC, Fox, and CNN) shares a parent company with one of the big six movie distributors (Paramount, Disney, Universal, Fox, and Warner).

  • by westlake ( 615356 ) on Sunday May 16, 2010 @08:37PM (#32231630)

    As the title says; 60 percent!? Really?

    From Download.com.

    Total LimeWire client downloads: 206 million.
    Total last week: 320,000.

    Total uTorrent client downloads: 8 million.
    Total last week: 61,000.

    P2P & File-Sharing Software [cnet.com]

  • by oakgrove ( 845019 ) on Sunday May 16, 2010 @09:06PM (#32231788)
    Same here except for utorrent (I use transmission in Ubuntu). The only thing is, what if you want a certain cut of a particular song that isn't the album version. Also, it's a bit faster, for me, to just click on Frostwire and type in my search term vs finding the item on a torrent search engine, plucking the particular track out of the album, and downloading that way. Usually for a particular song, I guess I just find Frostwire to be a bit quicker on the draw.
  • by Voyager529 ( 1363959 ) <voyager529@ya h o o.com> on Sunday May 16, 2010 @10:17PM (#32232248)

    Actually, NOD32 flagged that...

    5/16/2010 10:15:20 PM
    HTTP filter file
    http://cristgaming.com/pirate.swf [cristgaming.com] BAT/ZEP.A virus
    connection terminated - quarantined
    Threat was detected upon access to web by the application:

  • by hairyfeet ( 841228 ) <bassbeast1968 AT gmail DOT com> on Monday May 17, 2010 @02:52AM (#32234170) Journal

    Not to mention all us PC repairmen that have made millions of dollars cleaning Limewire crap from folks PCs. The RIAA is a bunch of socialists and costing us jobs!

    Of course the nice thing about decentralized P2P is that you can't really kill it [wikipedia.org], especially with there being FOSS implementations, so I'm sure we PC repairmen will still get plenty of work from the next Limewire style Gnutella app that becomes popular. God bless you FOSSies, and thanks for helping spread those viruses! Keep up the good work! Oh and if you could kind of increase the infection rate? My GF has a Bday coming up, kthnxbai.

  • by spire3661 ( 1038968 ) on Monday May 17, 2010 @05:05AM (#32234774) Journal
    Itunes on windows sucks, thats why. I dont need a massive, bloated piece of software to listen to music. Winamp 2.x was the pinnacle of software MP3 players IMHO.
  • 60%, really? (Score:3, Informative)

    by Fross ( 83754 ) on Monday May 17, 2010 @05:54AM (#32234952)

    "The article notes that LimeWire is used by nearly 60 percent of the people who download songs."

    I take it the article was written before the suit was filed then, sometime around 2003?

  • by Anonymous Coward on Monday May 17, 2010 @07:36AM (#32235398)
    LimeWire constitutes over 90% of the Gnutella network. If 90% of the peers disappear, so does 90% of the content - which will cause the remaining users to start leaving.

Solutions are obvious if one only has the optical power to observe them over the horizon. -- K.A. Arsdall