Operation Titstorm Hits the Streets 458
schliz writes "Hacker group 'Anonymous' is organising international, real-life protests of the Australian mandatory internet filter this coming Saturday. Protests will take place in major Australian cities as well as at Australian embassies around the world. The protests are said to be the second stage of 'Operation Titstorm,' which unleashed a prolonged DDoS attack on Australian government websites last week. Organisers of the so-called Project Freeweb said: 'If passed, this legislation will set a disturbing precedent at an international level. The public, not the Government, should have the right to decide what is deemed appropriate for you or your family to be exposed to.'"
Storm of chicks? (Score:5, Funny)
Nice Try (Score:2, Insightful)
"Hacker group"
Nope.
Well Then... (Score:4, Insightful)
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Dunno if it's that much worse than the crap we have to deal with now in government. Mob rule is mob rule. One is participatory, one is representative, but at the end of the day, what's happening is what the majority hoots for.
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IRC (Score:5, Interesting)
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Curiosity (Score:5, Interesting)
So, I became curious when I read about this DDOS on the Australian websites. I wondered: how hard would it be to write a simple, DDOS tool? Something that didn't require anything fancy, that anybody could do without installing anything special?
So, I wrote something, and tested it on my own local webserver. Surprisingly, it took me less than 10 minutes to write a simple javascript webpage with iframes that generated in excess of a million hits an hour in about 20 lines of HTML + javascript, armed with nothing more than a browser and notepad. I didn't even have to host it; the file was saved locally on my HDD!
The method was simple: a webpage with a bunch of iframes that sourced the target, and a javascript onload that refreshed the page. How could it get any simpler? My conclusion? A DDOS attack is the digital equivalent of peasants throwing rocks. Anybody can do it. It requires nothing. It's still a rather effective form of attack!
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I remember a group of internet anarchists [fraw.org.uk] set up something very much along these lines to coincide with the WTO protests in Seattle back in 1999. They made a good point which I think goes along with your idea that this is "digital equivalent of peasants throwing rocks." Like peasants throwing rocks this kind of simple DDOS can only work if it has the participation of a fairly large number of people. It's very much the internet equivalent of classic protest tactics like picket lines or sit-ins.
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yea except you're a n00b
considering your HTML + javascript attack comes from 1 ip address
the result being you're a quick and simple ip ban
meanwhile you've got no idea your script is no longer working
sure you could get a bunch of friend to also run the script
but unless you've got 1,000+ friends it's not going to help
plus you need a sparse range of ip addresses to run it on
there's a reason for the extra 'D' at the front of DDoS
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but unless you've got 1,000+ friends it's not going to help plus you need a sparse range of ip addresses to run it on
This is where 4chan comes into the picture.
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(Don't mind me, just going to pick a few nits)
In a lot of DDoS attacks, this is true - but not a requirement for it to be a DDoS attack. The only thing required for it to be a DDoS attack is that the traffic comes from multiple sources simultaneously. Who's to say whether or not each host is knowingly participating?
Will be interesting, but... (Score:5, Interesting)
Being an Australian I can tell you most Australians are apathetic to this issue and there likely won't be a huge turn-out. There probably won't be anything but fleeting mass media coverage, and that means politicians will ignore it and side with the "think of the children" majority who have no idea of the underlying implications.
If there was an upcoming election the issue *might* hit the media if the opposition declared a policy of no filtering and hightlighted all the negative aspects. But given the previous liberal government floated around similar ideas I wouldn't hold my breath on that, I think the position of both the major political parties is unfortunately much the same.
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"Being an Australian I can tell you most Australians are apathetic to this issue and there likely won't be a huge turn-out. "
Not until a few enterprising Aussie Anons start catching said politicians in dirty deeds and sells the info to the media or publishes it themselves.
What, you thought protesting and DDoSing was ALL they were going to do? Oh, sir, you need to listen in on these events more often. There are plans to outright run them out of office with torch and pitchfork, down to exposing their hypocris
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No, more like getting pictures of their small-breasted wives or mistresses, and pointing out the pure hypocrisy of their proposed ban on small-breasted women pornography, while they enjoy their small-breasted women at home.
Yea, that's not going to go over well with any rational person.
Re:Will be interesting, but... (Score:5, Interesting)
No, more like getting pictures of their small-breasted wives or mistresses, and pointing out the pure hypocrisy of their proposed ban on small-breasted women pornography, while they enjoy their small-breasted women at home.
Yea, that's not going to go over well with any rational person.
... I'm sorry, what?
Putting up porn of politicians' small-titted wives is going to make them reconsider their policy on small-breasted porn?
More like, they'll ban the Internet altogether.
Every policy maker in the world is going to go into knee-jerk Ban Everything mode when they realise their own seedy private lives are in danger of being leaked by Internet vigilantes. If news stories out of the US are at all representative, it seems Senators touch more small children than just about any other demographic... do you really think they won't force through every free-speech-stifling law they can the moment they realise the threat?
Re:Will be interesting, but... (Score:5, Informative)
Regretfully, I agree.
Tony Abbot (The head of the Liberal party- that's the guys NOT in power, for you Americans) visited humble Darwin city recently and it was there that I personally got to ask him, in his public question and answer time, the following question (roughly remembered):
"The Internet is an important part of the lives of many young Australians, as well as Australia as a whole in this modern age- what do you think of (the Prime Minister- Americans would say 'president') Kevin Rudd's plan to censor the Internet?"
His answer began:
"Well, I'm afraid I'm probably going to disappoint you..." and yes, unfortunately, he did.
Paraphrased his answer was: "Stopping child pornography is extremely important to me and the Liberal party and therefore, if we can prove the censorship plan doesn't work, we will oppose it; but only it. We will continue to seek effective means to block 'filth' (his word) from entering our country any way we can. If the filter works, we will support it."
Basically the message I got from his reply is that Tony Abbot believes that the filter will work "well enough" and is too much of a hot potato to oppose politically. The subtext I personally divined from his answer was a little more chilling; that the filter didn't go far *enough* for his tastes, and that he'd personally rather a complete whitelist than a blacklist. Therefore, speaking as a card-carrying Liberal... if you think that voting for the Liberal party in the next election will make the filter go away, you are sadly mistaken.
On a side note, the fact that he himself is an extremely religious man probably doesn't help a great deal, since it seems that too many politicians tend to "trust God about these things" when it's abundantly clear that God knows sweet F-A about the Tubes and how they work.
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The best chance I think is voting for the greens and giving Kevin the scare of his life. I doubt it will work though.
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I could only wish that more so-called "Christian" politicians would actually "trust God about these things", instead of constantly using the name in vain as an excuse to meddle in our personal lives.
Not so anonymous now, are we? ^^ (Score:2)
I wonder how they plan to stay anonymous in those protests...
Role model? China? (Score:2, Flamebait)
Finally! The Australians are on their way to a "happy harmonious society".
Let us know in a few years how that works out for ya.
The public deciding (Score:4, Interesting)
I'd rather they didn't make the decision either.
WRONG! (Score:5, Insightful)
*YOU* should have the right to deem what is appropriate for you or your family to be exposed to.
Maturity (Score:5, Funny)
To be followed by Operation Hooter Hurricane, Operation Mammary Monsoon, Operation Boobie Blizzard, Operation Tata Tornado and Operation Sirocco Of Sweater Puppies.
I could keep this up all day. :-D
Yeah, I know. Pathetic.
Re:viva revolutsion! (Score:5, Informative)
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Re:viva revolutsion! (Score:5, Insightful)
I assume you are American.
When protesters in the Middle East rant and rave outside the gates of the US Embassy in their country, do you think our government's policy is changed as a result?
By protesting outside Australian consulates (!) what do you hope to gain? Is this an effective form of redress?
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Many people drown because they thought they should "do something" rather than lie still and float.
What? Like... swim??
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You have a very fitting username. Protesting an embassy is equivalent to floundering and filling your lungs with water? I'd propose a better analogy, but unlike you, I don't think anyone here is stupid enough to require an analogy in order to understand what protesting an embassy is.
But you be a floater as long as you like. Hmmmm. There's a bad analogy in there.
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Re:Question (Score:5, Insightful)
What is universal that should be banned (e.g., child porn) as opposed to filtered out by parents? I don't agree with how they're going about it Down Under, but I am wondering about this question.
How can you say that somethings are so taboo that they can't ever be viewed?
Down Under even Hentai counts as child porn.
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In the US as well [wired.com]
You gotta love the weasley quote from "Frenchy" Lunning, "Handley is not a pedophile. He had no photographs of child pornography."
I suppose it would be a waste of time to photograph child porn. Scanning seems like a much better way to retain all the juicy details.
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Think of the theoretical, non-human, imaginary beings!
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My girlfriend is a theoretical, non-human imaginary being you insensitive clod! The government had better not dare try to deprive Nubiliana of her rights!
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Yes, indeed! Let's dry out any kind of outlet for those freaks! Once they wont be able to get off from something besides the real deal, they are bound to stop and suddenly turn into normal, heterosexual human beings.
Right? Right?!
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Censorship always defeats its own purpose, for it creates, in the end, the kind of society that is incapable of exercising real discretion... In the long run it will create a generation incapable of appreciating the difference between independence of thought and subservience.
- Henry Steele Commager
Censorship is never over for those who have experienced it. It is a brand on the imagination that affects the individual who has suffered it, forever.
- Noam Chomsky
Forms of expression always appear turgid to those who do not share the emotions they represent.
- Gilbert Keith Chesterton
The censor believes that he can hold back the mighty traffic of life with a tin whistle and a raised right hand. For after all, it is life with which he quarrels.
- Heywood Broun
I want a situation without censorship, because I do not want to be responsible for whatever they may say.
- Napoleon Bonaparte
Censorship ends in logical completeness when nobody is allowed to read any books except the books that nobody reads.
- George Bernard Shaw
Censorship reflects a society's lack of confidence in itself.
- Potter Stewart
Then the first thing will be to establish a censorship of the writers of fiction, and let the censors receive any tale of fiction which is good, and reject the bad; and we will desire mothers and nurses to tell their children the authorized ones only.
- Plato
Please, reconsider exactly what it is that you are supporting. Censorship of any kind is the first step toward totalitarianism.
Re:Question (Score:5, Insightful)
I think the problem is mental capacity... If sex is acceptable if consensual, at what age is the consensual sex approved with full knowledge of the act, consequences, ect. Is there a mental capacity at 11 to consent? No
There are many legal precedents that set the age of consent for various legal items, contracts, military service, voting, drinking, driving, etc... These are the basis of some of our societial norms. Without them, we would break down (and I say we are already with the blurring of many lines, but I digress...)
SEX is also unofficially there in the list, by punishing those that would take advantage of someone who does not quite have the assumed mental capacity you should have at a certain age. (Varies by state I believe) But I feel that the physical act can over come the emotional stops that society may place on the act. therefore it is easy to manipulate someone that cannot distinguish between something that is "wrong" verses it feels good, so it must be good.
So, just because it is consensual doesn't mean the child had all the tools to make a decision based on anything other than it felt good and the person is nice to me. That is just plain wrong no matter how you may try to argue it.
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Not all children suddenly become capable of giving informed consent at the same age. I will concede that there may be an age that is too young across the board, but yes, children are capable of giving informed consent.
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OK, i couldn't let this go. I have adopted a policy of avoiding inflamitory or overly confrontational statements, but you're just plain wrong. At least in one jurisdiction where I heard the name of the actual charged brought in a child porn case it was "exploitation of a minor," and that is exactly the heart of the kiddie porn issue. Ask any psychologist and they will likely tell you that sexualizing an individual before they have any first hand experience with the hormonal realities of sexuality is quite traumatic. You can often even tell the age a girl was molested at by listening to her voice and figuring out what age she sounds like. All rational people can agree that causing such psychological and emotional harm to a child is a heinous crime and that about the only way to top that is to do it for monetary gain instead of, or as well, as ones own personal gratification. And that is the root of anti child-porn laws. Child porn originally was both a record of such abuse and an enterprise based upon it. An entire industry based upon causing harm to others who are innocent. Child porn was essentially in the same league as a brothel specializing in the rape of the unwilling or a contract assassin agency.
Today we have a few hiccups thrown into the mix. There is a popular form of animation in which girls of ages that are indeterminate other than to say they are 'too young' (unless hentai characters are given specific ages, are they?). These images are not created upon the suffering of innocents. None of the rationals for criminalizing child porn work with hentai images. The only rationals that people try to apply to hentai are that those who enjoy it are 'sick' or that they 'might' do something bad if allowed to view it. What a horrible reason to outlaw something.
Another frightening trend with child porn laws has been the arrests of individuals who are underage for exploiting themselves by taking nude self-images. Or the arrests of their significant others for receiving the same. I can see no rational argument to lock up an 18 year old boy because his 17 year old girlfriend texted him a picture of her breasts, an image he had no chance to refuse before seeing it's content.
As an aside i think a reasonable way to treat teen "sexting" in the legal system is to treat it the same as consent laws. If it's legal for two individuals to have sex, they should be able to privately share images of themselves. However once those images become more widely distributed, the distributor should face some form of penalty, provided the distributor is not the same as the person in the image and willingly posed for it. No one should EVER be criminally liable for taking a nude photo of themselves and showing to another, unless it becomes a harassment case and not a sex crime. Moving on.
The common denominator here is that no action should be prosecutable unless it involves one individual causing harm or presenting a danger to another individual. Mix in "informed consent" as necessary if you believe it is necessary to keep things like tattoos, "branding", and anything that people purposely do that could be considered "harmful" legal.
It is neccessary in any free society to allow others to do things you dissprove of if it is not harmful to others. I see no reason for a nations legal code to violate the simple principle of "live and let live."
Now lets see what i get accused of for "defending child porn."
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No one should EVER be criminally liable for taking a nude photo of themselves and showing to another...
Even if it's the goatse guy?
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My belief is that NO content is so bad that it justifies censorship of this kind.
Even if it is Osama Bin Laden brutally raping and murdering little kids (to think of the most extreme example its possible to think of), those who host, share, create, post, publish and spread the content should be targeted. Censorship of the kind the government wants to introduce is NOT the answer.
As for those who say "I support the filtering system because it keeps my kids from getting at this kind of content" (or similar such statements), an opt-in filtering system will do exactly the same thing without subjecting everyone to censorship.
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Exactly. While it's the individual's right to be protected it should also be the individual's right to decline said protection.
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That's a really nice kid you got there. It'd be a shame if they were exposed to something...unseemly.
Re:Question (Score:5, Insightful)
Why do you assume that 1) Most on here are American and 2) Every Australian feels as you do? How is there going to be "real-life protests" if everyone who cares is just American? Now I'm no genius or anything, but it seems to be that you'd have to live in Australia, or at least be IN Australia, in order to participate in a "real-life protest" in Australia.
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"Why do you assume that 1) Most on here are American'
Because it is demonstrably true. And no, I will not give sources, this is common knowledge. I know that Taco periodically gives a bunch of random statistics on site usage, and at least once he broke it down by country: it was something like 75% American, 10% Canadian and 15% everyone else when I last saw it. Granted, a lot of /.ers are likely to be using proxies/TOR/other connections that will obfuscate their true location, but I think it's fair to say th
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I would be shocked if that number was more than 2.5-3% of visitors.
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It does depend a bit on time of day. There definitely seem to be peak times for the Australian contingent when the US is asleep.
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Yes, you did...
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Don't make us come over there and liberate the shit out of you.
In this case, I for one will welcome our new Predator UAV overlords
Re:Question (Score:5, Funny)
Don't make us come over there and liberate the shit out of you.
Funnily enough, I've seen a porno clip which had this attitude. The guy was really pounding this girls ass, doggy style, saying things like "I'm gonna liberate you soooo hard!" She's crying and getting slapped and what not.
Then when he's done, he collapsed on her back and sighed "Mission Accomplished!" even though there was a second naked chick waiting in the sack beside them.
So I gotta wonder, when did porn get all liberal satirical and shit? Keep politics outta porn. (But not porn outta politics, cause that shit's hilarious.)
Re:Question (Score:5, Insightful)
Ok I know I may just be feeding the troll but I am going to have a go at this.
I live in a small pro-western European nation that is pretty middle of the road in terms of politics and liberal/conservative agendas. While I entirely respect the Australian peoples right to choose their own laws it never the less worries me when I see the Australian government do something that I don't want my own government to do.
The problem is that Australia is seen as "one of us" an English speaking westernised liberal democracy. If a policy is successfully implemented in Australia it gains a certain credibility that the same policy implemented in North Korea or Iran or even China would lack. Those of a certain frame of mind in my own country could point to Australia and push for similar legislation here.
Re:Question (Score:5, Insightful)
Personally, I'm in favour of censorship on the Internet, as we have it on TV and radio etc. I see no difference. I am not quite as happy with the current proposed implementation. As I run a PC repair business, I have received a lot of requests for home internet filtering etc. I'd say that the majority of families that I've seen have asked about internet filtering. Many people do want it.
Consider this analogy:
Many Australians consider the water supply to be clean. Some people wish the water to be filtered, a minority. The government could implement a giant filter for the water supply at great cost, or, the minority could purchase personal filters to filter their own water, even with a government subsidy!
The Australian government already tried to give out filtering software for free, and there wasn't a large uptake. This leads be to believe, based on your comments, that it wasn't made well-known enough for computer repairpersons to recommend it to their customers, or that the repairpersons believed it to be inadequate, or an even greater chance, people just don't care about filtering their internet.
My point is: if you want it filtered, filter it yourself. Don't force your ethics on the rest of us.
Better still, educate your fucking kids to not do stupid shit on the internet. That works better than any filter.
Re:Question (Score:5, Insightful)
The question that I want to ask, is why so many Americans etc want to get involved in what is our own choice here in Australia.
Well, you don't seem to mind choosing for at least some of your fellow Australians...
Seriously, though, just because some action or policy is backed by a democratic vote, or popular support in general, doesn't make it right. Slavery in U.S. was backed by the majority early on, for example. Today, most people in China and Russia support their regimes, including oppression of dissenters. Iranian death penalty for homosexuals law has widespread popular support. And so on, and so forth.
There are some rights and freedoms which cannot morally be subject to a vote. Freedom of speech is one of them.
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Today, most people in China and Russia support their regimes, including oppression of dissenters. Iranian death penalty for homosexuals law has widespread popular support.
Or so we are told by their state media...
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Or so we are told by their state media...
I'm Russian. At least with respect to my country, the state media is correct on this particular issue (even if they're a lying bastards on most other matters).
Elections are rigged, true, but only to get higher percent of the vote - the people in power don't need it to get elected. They do want high percent for the president to get more legitimacy (as Putin told regarding his opposition once, "over 70% of voted for me, so they're opposing the clear mandate of the people"), and they want 2/3 of the parliament to be able to amend the constitution freely (like they did not long ago extending the presidential term from 4 years to 6). In practice, with fair elections, they'd probably get somewhere around 55%-60%, but the true support base is higher - it's just that opposition is more politically active, and thus more likely to bother to vote.
I have little reason to believe that it's any different in China, especially judging by the stance of Chinese hailing from PRC whom I've met. If anything, their brainwashing seems to be much more effective than ours.
For Iran, all you need to know is that death penalty for homosexuals is mandated by Shari'a. Any country that deems itself Islamic will have that implemented.
Re:"tit storm" (Score:5, Informative)
Really guys, naming your protest after female anatomy does nothing to help the cause. It is immature and reeks of disorganization.
Its actually a reference to our PM's "Shitstorm" comment on national TV a while back - The Australian [theaustralian.com.au], or more via google [google.com.au]
Re:"tit storm" (Score:5, Informative)
Its actually a reference to our PM's "Shitstorm" comment on national TV a while back - The Australian, or more via google
And also a reference to Australia's government censoring adult publications and films featuring women with "small breasts" on the grounds that such images encourage pedophilia.
It's actually quite a clever and catchy name.
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It is immature and reeks of disorganization.
You've never heard of Anonymous, have you?
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Really guys, naming your protest after female anatomy does nothing to help the cause
In fairness, wasn't the protest about censorship of the female anatomy?
Re:"tit storm" (Score:5, Funny)
It is immature and reeks of disorganization.
What a strange thing to say about a group that originated on 4chan.
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Re:"tit storm" (Score:5, Insightful)
"This hardcore porn has the seal of approval of the Australian Government."
"The Australian Government: demanding MORE for your porn needs."
"How can you trust Hardcore Porn that's not approved by the Australian Government?"
"Don't worry: This movie with the horse sucking this girl's giant tits has the oficial seal of approval by the Australian Government."
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So? "Parental Advisory" has become a seal of quality for certain music, too.
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Almost as good as "Banned in Queensland." Bad Taste, Peter Jackson's first film proudly proclaims this on the case.
Well, pretty much everything was banned in Queensland in those days...
Re:"tit storm" (Score:5, Insightful)
"Big-tit porn; priority no 1 of your Federal Government."
"Be safe: Please refer to the Australian secure masturbation laws."
If I had some shop skills, I'd be making an "official seal of approval", with the flag and the leading politicians behind this and some nice big government-approved tits on it.
Re:"tit storm" (Score:5, Insightful)
Seriously this is link small-breasts = pedophilia is so insane I don't understand why the proponents' brains don't implode from the pure stupidity of it.
Re:"tit storm" (Score:5, Funny)
Seriously this is link small-breasts = pedophilia is so insane I don't understand why the proponents' brains don't implode from the pure stupidity of it.
Interestingly, politicians' skulls are several millimetre thicker than the normal human average to prevent implosion caused by the differential in pressure between the air outside and the vacuum inside. This extra thickness also serves as a protective measure, preventing good ideas from entering and causing unnecessary stress. This adaptation should really get more study. If you'd like to participate, please dissect the nearest politician and send in your results.
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Re:"tit storm" (Score:5, Insightful)
Really guys, naming your protest after female anatomy does nothing to help the cause. It is immature and reeks of disorganization. There are far better ways to undermine censorship. You have to attack the authority of the censors. Make them appear weak, useless, and strip their credibility. Expose them at every corner as being partial, biased, and at the same time abjectly failing to do their jobs.
You have no idea how politics works. People opposed to the Republican Party in the U.S. have been doing that for 10 years, however that only works if your opponents have shame, which people in politics typically lack.
Re:"tit storm" (Score:5, Insightful)
I am convinced that humor is a powerful weapon. Exposing the MPs as objects of humor sound fine to me, and probably to you. By one comment, the title is already in that vein. the shitstorm comment
Also, you have to be a little careful about cultural assumptions. If you are USA, you might have second thoughts about the title. In australia, maybe not. I have the vague idea they are a little looser then the USA about sex. Most everyone is. but this is slashdot, so who would know anything about the subject.
Re:"tit storm" (Score:4, Informative)
It was named in part to bring to light the stupid rules used by ACMA to classify content, the week 'Operation titstorm' was announced by Anonymous a story [smh.com.au] came to light about ACMA banning some porn as 'Child Porn' because the legal-age woman had small tits. The initial idea was to fax/email massive amounts of small breasted pornography to all parts of the Australian government, but most of the focus has been on the DDoS.
Re:"tit storm" (Score:5, Funny)
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There are far better ways to undermine [group]. You have to attack the authority of the [group]. Make them appear weak, useless, and strip their credibility. Expose them at every corner as being partial, biased, and at the same time abjectly failing to do their jobs.
That kind of rationality only works with individuals, small groups, and/or in the movies. It is not nearly as effective against large-scale mob mentality that has been duped into drinking the Kool Aid and is no longer capable of rational though on its own - such as, say, the Evangelical Republicans or the Obamacrats... I wish you were right and it really was that simple, but alas... look at the state of the USA right now.
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Really guys, naming your protest after female anatomy does nothing to help the cause. It is immature and reeks of disorganization.
Some people like protesting more than they actually care about the issue. Anonymous probably fits into that category as much as anybody (yeah yeah, a group is made up of individuals and each one is there for a different reason, but if they really cared they would come up with a better name).
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I look forward to seeing pictures of these censorship advocates having sex with their mistresses, getting wasted in public, allegations of bribery, and all other unseemly manner of behavior.
Hence the operation's name, Titstorm.
Re:"tit storm" (Score:5, Insightful)
Why? Seriously, why should it be immature? If there was ever a cause where it was appropriate to use the word tits in your movement, it's this one. One of the best ways to undermine censorship is with humour. This sort of full-frontal, in your face attitude is a good thing. Whereas I think your advocation of invading people's privacy and smearing them for doing legal things is nasty. This law is wrong and I argue against it on those grounds, not by adopting the same tactics as those who oppose me and making the legislative process a battle of who can make the other party look worst. Aside from that, when you use these tactics, you state that you believe these things are indeed bad. If you start leaping up and down pointing at your opponents saying "look - they got wasted, look they browsed porn", then you really undermine your efforts to stop people being judged / condemned for getting wasted or browsing porn, do you not?
And what would you do if you found proponents of these laws really didn't commit adultery, get wasted in public
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Really guys, naming your protest after female anatomy does nothing to help the cause. It is immature and reeks of disorganization. There are far better ways to undermine censorship. You have to attack the authority of the censors. Make them appear weak,
Done!
useless,
Done!
and strip their credibility.
Done!
Expose them at every corner as being partial,
Done!
biased, and at the same time abjectly failing to do their jobs.
Done!
They are government so this shouldn't be any real kind of challenge now should it?
I look forward to seeing pictures of these censorship advocates having sex with their mistresses, getting wasted in public, allegations of bribery, and all other unseemly manner of behavior. Because if there's one thing the public can't stand for, it's being prohibited from doing the very things these authority types reserve for themselves. They already believe themselves to be morally superior to you so I ask again -- what real challenge is there here?
Re:Tits or not, no one listens to protestors (Score:5, Funny)
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Like the fact that they constantly run unfunny memes into the ground because none of them have a shred of originality, or that they think child porn is funny? Is that criticism enough?
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buddies?
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... in web design...
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trips to the minifridge to get more Cheetos.
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Re:Tits or not, no one listens to protestors (Score:5, Insightful)
Being college-aged is a negative quality, now? Historically, students have been some of the most vocal in protecting our rights. If your point is that people of this age have less influence on society than older people, well I'd say that young people today are the adults of tomorrow and I'd sooner see college-age people protesting and hopefully retaining those attitudes and sympathies as they get older, than not see them protesting.
As regards basement-dwelling and eating cheetos, well you have no idea where they're living or what they're eating. Neither, by the way, did I realise affects your political activism.
Re:Tits or not, no one listens to protestors (Score:5, Insightful)
Yeah, those darn leftist professors. Like how the students in Iran that protest their government are doing so because they're incited by "leftist professors". Or students protesting against the communists in Soviet Russia or during Ukraine's "Orange Revolution". How about all those students protesting against the Iraq war in the USA and the UK? Was that a "left-right" issue. What about the university-based protests in Greece last year against police who beat a young man to death. Did they have a leftist agenda? Or could it be that you just see the world in your own terms, ignoring that students have historically protested against tyranny, regardless of how it dresses itself up.
Don't be so quick to dismiss or condemn or suggest that students are simple cattle that do something "impressively stupid" without right information. What exactly is "impressively stupid" about protesting any of the examples I gave? Or indeed protesting censorship laws that have been mis-represented to the public which is what the GP was talking about?
left or right (Score:2)
How about all those students protesting against the Iraq war in the USA...? Was that a "left-right" issue.
Yeah. No duh?
I can't speak to your other examples, but I'm guessing you can't either.
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How about all those students protesting against the Iraq war in the USA...? Was that a "left-right" issue.
Yeah. No duh?
I can't speak to your other examples, but I'm guessing you can't either.
It's funny, I keep hearing all these people solemnly proclaiming that "real conservatives" are opposed to foreign adventurism, and to fighting wars without paying for them. Of course, most of them started saying that only after Bush took a nosedive in the polls, and by all evidence they happily voted for Bush in 2004 and McCain in 2008 (and will probably vote for Palin in 2012) but supposedly there are a good many in America's right wing who thought the Iraq war was a bad idea from the get-go.
Anyway, if yo
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No, I think he knows who Anon is. It's just that he doesn't think that threatening the things they feed upon will get them riled up enough to leave the basement.
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I could be confused - but is "protestors" a word?
Random House seems to think that it is: http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/protestor [reference.com]. (as an alternate spelling; yeah, caught me offguard too.)
The general public, and most of the politicians believe that it is only a small section of society that is against censorship.
Are you talking about this censorship or about censorship in general? If in general, I think you'll find feelings opposing censorship to vary widely by local and be proportional to functioning democracy (In general).
Besides, you seem to be talking in circular logic here. The general public believes that only a small fraction of itself is against censorship? Wh
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Re:'Anonymous' another way of saying 'the people'? (Score:5, Informative)
Well I think it's the protestors who are taking on the mantle of "Anonymous", not the press who are attributing it to them. The press largely doesn't understand what the deal is with "Anonymous", but then a lot of the press is never really digs into these things.
Also, it's true that "the people" don't do anything as a whole. You get some subset working on something, and even if they're very poorly organized, it helps you have a term for them so you can reference them easily.
I thought part of the reason people liked claiming to be part of "Anonymous" was that the press didn't understand what the hell was going on. Basically anyone can validly claim to be "Anonymous" so long as they're... you know... anonymous... and the press will suddenly act like that person is the head of a powerful hacker terrorist crime syndicate.
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It is kind of interesting that they're managing to get media attention for it, which is one of the major goals of protests. Even when it's a repackaging of traditional protest techniques, they seem to be relatively good at PR-managing it, in comparison to more traditional protest groups. Partly, this seems to be because they're: 1) somewhat more theatrical; and 2) more single-issue, so the anti-Scientology or anti-censorship protest isn't diluted by a parade of the usual suspects with off-topic preaching of
Re:"members of Anonymous" (Score:5, Funny)
Well in South Carolina you would have to register before conducting your subversive activities. That takes care of THAT...
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Anonymous already registered last week, but then Anonymous registered and the two registrations canceled each other out.
Re:The problem with headless organizations (Score:5, Informative)
It is named Operation Titstorm due to the Government adding liking small breasted women = pedophile like activity and therefore illegal to the filter plans. They also added nylon fetishes because of it being a fetish and female ejaculation "because it is a myth". These are the type people in control of the filter.