Hiding From Google 228
penguinrecorder writes "Google offers Web users a simple trade-off: Let the search giant track a substantial portion of your comings and goings around the Web, and it will offer you a free, superior online experience. Now independent security researcher Moxie Marlinspike is making Web users a counter-offer: take Google's giveaways and keep your privacy too. On Tuesday, Marlinspike launched a service he calls GoogleSharing, a plug-in for Firefox designed to give users access to Google's online offerings while cloaking their identity from the company's data collection tools. By hosting a proxy server with a collection of Google 'identities,' the privacy software will allow users temporarily to route their traffic through another computer that masks their identity by mixing their online actions with those of other users. The system is totally transparent, with no special 'alternative' websites to visit. Your normal work flow should be exactly the same." GoogleSharing only works for those services not requiring a Google login; for the latter, no proxying is done.
And we're trusting you because.... (Score:5, Insightful)
"Don't trust Google, trust me!" (Score:4, Insightful)
"Instead of sending your private information to Google directly, use my awesome proxy server to send your private information to Google anonymously. I promise I will not snoop any more than Google does!"
Re:And we're trusting you because.... (Score:4, Insightful)
My thoughts exactly. It's free, so he's gotta be paying for it somehow, right? Or is he a known philanthropist who has a long track record of protecting privacy? Nope, didn't think so.
Why (Score:5, Insightful)
In principle, most want their usage statistics retained for a short-while, if at all. Most prefer their statistics only confided with first channel of contact as well. Are people considering that these mass usage statistics may comprise some of the magic that makes their platform so successful and useful? Continual refinement due to constant sources of usage information, IMO, seems to be working great for them. The naysayers neigh, but until I see a genuine effort by other companies to be as philanthropic, open-source friendly, charitable, and hospitable, I will shelve my skepticism and contempt for their nosiness in hopes of a continually great service.
How much would people complain if search became a pay-per-search model? If all those in favor of eliminating usage-statistics completely had their way, Ad-Words and dynamic advertising content would be out, and these search giants would be looking for another form of revenue. Something to think about...
Would you pay for Google ad-free? (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:And we're trusting you because.... (Score:2, Insightful)
If you don't want to get your porn usage pattern sent to your boss then use Yahoo or Bing.
Re:And we're trusting you because.... (Score:1, Insightful)
I, um, trust neither... is that an option?
Re:Why (Score:3, Insightful)
You're deluding yourself if you think "Don't Be Evil" is more than just a throwaway phrase. While it can be argued that Google started out altruistic, it's a corporation, and by nature all corporations are there for one thing - to make money. Don't Be Evil is just some vague guide they put out there that basically means "we'll try to not do things that would piss off the consumer but it's in no way a priority."
That said, I use google all the time. I just understand how much to trust them (read: not very much). It's ridiculous how many people fawn over Google as if they're holier than thou because of one phrase, but hey, it's working. If they were serious, they'd put together a Bill of Rights and stick hardcore to it - THEN I'd be willing to see them in a (slightly) different light.
Re:And we're trusting you because.... (Score:2, Insightful)
Re:Would you pay for Google ad-free? (Score:4, Insightful)
I would pay for a Google subscription service with no ads and no user activity tracking.
How would they know it was you they would not show ads to unless they tracked you?
Re:And we're trusting you because.... (Score:3, Insightful)
There's always the chance that this service doesn't take any significant centralized resources to keep running, as in the users are made to contribute the bandwidth and CPU resources needed to keep it running.
I Call Trojan (Score:3, Insightful)
So I'm supposed to install this Proxy add on, then put my google account details, that has my google docs and google checkout account?
Ummm .... no
Re:And we're trusting you because.... (Score:1, Insightful)
Actually, a big problem is that we *dont* know it's limits. We don't know what they're doing, and they won't tell us. Repeated requests for information about whether they're even running automated "lawful" intercept systems have been denied, and they won't provide statistics on how many subpoenas they respond to per day. We don't know how many times they've been hacked before, or how much data was lost in this last hack. There's a lot we don't know.
He stole my idea! (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:And we're trusting you because.... (Score:4, Insightful)
"How is Google invasive?"
Have you ever used the NoScript extension for Firefox? Have you ever paid attention to what NoScript is blocking?
I'd say that 80-90% of the websites I end up at have at least www.google-analytics.com or www.google.com trying to run script. I'd call the unauthorized running of script on my computer invasive. Regardless of what they say to the contrary, I have not given them permission to run script on my computer, and have had to resort to actions to prevent it.
Learned use of NoScript is probably THE best way (even better with ABP and a harsh cookie policy) of making sure that Google does not have you in their evil clutches.
And, it is free. As in beer.
Re:And we're trusting you because.... (Score:3, Insightful)
The irony is that Google probably doesn't care all that much about a specific user, or users as an individual. They're looking for types of users and their associated buying habits.
Re:And we're trusting you because.... (Score:1, Insightful)
To be fair, every website where Google analytics tries to run the unauthorized scripts has made a conscious decision to install that code.
You do know what Google analytics is for, right? I'm not denying that Google isn't getting the data along with the user, but it does provide an excellent service to the people running the site.
Don't get mad at Google for providing a service, get mad at the site you're visiting for using it. Personally, I could care less if Google can identify me. (posting AC because I've moderated)
Isn't it reasonable to assume that 99% of the user info Google is collecting is just run through a bunch of reports and turned into pretty graphs?
What real benefit would they get from treating each user individually vs analyzing everyone's collective habits?
Re:And we're trusting you because.... (Score:3, Insightful)
"What real benefit would they get from treating each user individually vs analyzing everyone's collective habits?"
Because they CAN use the information in a non-statistical fashion?
It is not so much the motives of Google that I question, but rather those that would have more sinister motivations and are in a position to force the hand of Google, or simply steal the data.
Data from one source can be cross-referenced with data from another source to great effect. The sum of such data is greater then it's parts.
The only true protection is simply not gathering the data at all. This is what I strive for when I protect my computer and myself (as well as anyone willing to listen and learn).
Re:And we're trusting you because.... (Score:1, Insightful)
The irony is that Google probably doesn't care all that much about a specific user, or users as an individual. They're looking for types of users and their associated buying habits.
What makes you think that Google's the only one who can use that data? The (US)FBI just admitted that they'd frequently had employees who violated the ECPA (which is a criminal act). That was with telephone companies, but what makes you think computer services are any different? And while the FBI says that it doesn't do that any more, they haven't apprehended any of the perpetrators yet, and probably never will, so why would you believe they don't do it any more?
Nah, there isn't really anything all that interesting about me for them to find, except that I believe that anything that wastes the time of a secret policeman is probably a net social good.
Re:Obligatory Onion (Score:3, Insightful)
Because people will find an arbitrary reason to mod things particular ways. Someone obviously didn't like what I wrote.
I know people complain about the "moderators", but they usually haven't been here long enough to know, we're all the moderators. You can't please everyone all the time, so I don't worry about getting modded down occasionally. It's just someone who's being pissy. Since they aren't here to smack on the back of the head and say "what were you thinking", I don't let it stress me. :)