Glenn Beck Loses Dispute Over Parody Domain 1172
CuteSteveJobs writes "Glenn Beck fought the law and the law won. Parody website DidGlennBeckRapeAndMurderAYoungGirlIn1990.com attacked Beck using the same straw man arguments Beck himself is famous for: 'We're not accusing Glenn Beck of raping and murdering a young girl in 1990 — in fact, we think he didn't! But we can't help but wonder ... Why won't he deny that he raped and killed a young girl in 1990?'
Beck didn't see the humour and tried to have the site shut down. He sued the creator on the grounds the site 'violated his name as a trademark.' But in a sudden outbreak of common sense, WIPO rejected Beck's complaint finding the site 'can be said to be making a political statement,' which is a 'legitimate non-commercial use' of Beck's name. But after winning, the owner voluntarily handed Beck the domain anyway. Still, it's comforting to know that satire — the only weapon politicians and talking heads fear — is still safely in the hands of the public where it belongs."
icing on the cake: (Score:4, Insightful)
tell beck why the results of his arrogance is now something he has in common with barbra streisand. he'll love the comparison
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Streisand_effect [wikipedia.org]
handing back the domain FAIL (Score:1, Insightful)
They should have handed the domain to someone who could have done even more with it, say AdBusters. Glenn Beck is evil and must be destroyed... not literally of course, but he must be combated intelligently (as in this example!) which is the only way to take away his power. Actually snuffing him would make him a martyr and that would be disgusting.
Re:The problem (Score:3, Insightful)
Because Beck never does that....oh wait.
Precident-setting? (Score:5, Insightful)
Handing back the domain after the decision strikes me as a way of setting a precident protecting such usage of a public figure's name, while gracefully ending the joke when it's done what it's supposed to. Well done.
Re:icing on the cake: (Score:2, Insightful)
Let's take Beck out of the equation (Score:1, Insightful)
Let's say its any other commentator, for example, Rachel Maddow. This doesn't seem right. The argument on here goes "Well, Glenn Beck uses the same tactics."
All the partisans on the 24 hour cable news networks use these tactics.
Re:Who the fuck is Glenn Beck... (Score:1, Insightful)
The funny thing about Glenn Beck is that the only people more idiotic than his rabid fans are his rabid anti-fans.
Re:icing on the cake: (Score:3, Insightful)
Just because this is Glenn Beck, and there is almost a syndrome about the Beck/Limbaugh/Fox hatred going on right, doesn't take away from the vile level to which some people stoop to personally destroy someone.
If this was: www.didmichelleobamagangbangacollegefootballteamandgetpregnant.org people would be furious with the decision that it was legal.
Maybe I'm wrong, but I do look for a certain level of intellectual honest on /. After all, this isn't the Huffington Post.
Re:icing on the cake: (Score:5, Insightful)
If I was a public figure, yes. It's part of the price of fame, and of free speech. You like free speech, right?
I find it particularly appropriate that this happened to Glen Beck, who uses the same tactics of making people refute completely bogus accusations.
Random Strawman: not the same as topical eye-poke (Score:1, Insightful)
As for the "man, I sure hope I'm wrong on this" rhetorical technique: again, it's more effective when (as Beck has humorously done), he has a yes-the-White-House-Press-Office-knows-the-phone-number hot line, right to his studio, that he begs them to call, so that they can point out how the video taped comments of some of their idiots are wrong, or not meaningful. Obviously, the Whtie House doesn't want to take the bait, because then they'll have to actually talk about those idiots directly. But you know he's getting on their nerves when they refer to his time slot (rather than him, you know, he's "he that shall not be named") as being not actual news. Which is funny, since it's not positioned as such in the first place, any more than are, say, Keith Olbermann or Diane Rehm.
Yes, it's important that we preserve the rights to be satirical snots as needed, and at whomever we think needs to be on the receiving end. So this is a good development, no matter what you think about any of the parties involved or their positions. The only scary development is the resurgent muttering, on the left, about the actually evil "fairness doctrine."
Re:icing on the cake: (Score:1, Insightful)
So if someone set up a similar site in your name it, you'd rest with the decision that it was parody and legal?
Absolutely. I would look at it, decide it was parody, and take one of two actions depending on the circumstances:
1. Ignore it entirely, hoping that without any attention it will go away (and knowing that any attention I give it is still serving it)
2. Publicly laugh about it and act like a good sport (if I think people are going to see it either way) so that I'm at least seen as someone who can take a joke.
Re:icing on the cake: (Score:5, Insightful)
This was a parody of the Glenn Beck Style (Score:5, Insightful)
Glenn makes personal attacks of this very nature, so it is entirely appropriate that this was done to Beck. After all, if he didn't rape and murder a young girl, why doesn't he just prove it? Should be as easy as proving you were born in this country.
Re:The problem (Score:1, Insightful)
You must not be familiar with the Glenn Beck Show.
Re:icing on the cake: (Score:3, Insightful)
"Beck didn't see the humour" (Score:5, Insightful)
Because there is none. Quit confounding parody and satire with humour. Both are often very unfunny (which is not to say they should not be protected: they should).
Re:This is an attack on the teabaggers (Score:1, Insightful)
"moderate republican? "
More like Republican that was more liberal than the Dem.
Re:icing on the cake: (Score:2, Insightful)
I am sure that the drooling retards who call themselves Glenn Beck fans are outraged about this decision.
I want one of those broad brushes.
Where did you get yours? Ace? HomeDepot?
Why bother? (Score:5, Insightful)
Why do you bother? You are right but why make the effort?
I swear that the people on Slashdot have pushed the art of bias to new extremes.
To answer your question. No I am not furious that the decision was legal. And no I wouldn't be upset if the other URL was found legal.
I an and would be furious that both exists and I am a little ticked that Slashdot puts it on the front page and NOT under politics which I have set to not show up on my front page of Slashdot.
Yes it is good that it is legal it is bad that idiots create such crap and that other sites then give them free PR.
BTW if you hate Glen Beck you do know this will only help him with his faithful don't you?
Just so everybody can see the results of this action and understand just how STUPID it is I will explain it to you.
Some Beck hater posts this website.
People that HATE Beck will think it is funny.
People that Love Beck will hate those that think it is funny,
Beck takes them to court and doesn't get the site taken down.
The people that HATE Beck still think it is funny.
The people that LOVE Beck will see it as proof that the courts are biased and hate them. They will become more politically active and work harder for consertives to get elected.
The result is this is preaching to the base and will do nothing but amuse one base and rally the other.
End result more polarization which is exactly what WE DON"T NEED.
For people like me that don't love or hate Glenn Beck, Rush Limbaugh, Fox News, President Obama, or NPR.
We get anoyed that we have to see this stupidity.
Of course why did I bother to make this effort since it will be unread or I will be modded down as a troll.
PS. I bet Health Care will not pass. Both parties are expert at the art of active inactivity.
its fair turn around (Score:2, Insightful)
beck/ limbaugh/ fox traffic in lies, propaganda and demagoguery. to point lies, propaganda, and demagoguery back at the crap flingers is to merely use their own tactics against them
i am not aware of michelle obama engaging in smears and vindictive hysterical FUD against people she dislikes. but of course, that doesn't stop the likes of beck and limbaugh from pointing smears and propaganda at people they dislike for ideological reasons having nothing whatsoever to do with the accusations they throw at people
that someone should point the same bullshit at them: exactly where is the hypocritical rule written that people who fling mud can't have mud flung at them?
Re:For everyone who is going WTF who is Glenn Beck (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:Has the real question been answered? (Score:3, Insightful)
Has Glenn Beck denied having raped and murdered a young girl in 1990?
If not, why not?
I'm not saying he did or anything, and I think he didn't, but I think that many of the readers will wonder why he has yet to deny these rumors.
Re:handing back the domain FAIL (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:its fair turn around (Score:4, Insightful)
Two wrongs don't make a right. Be the better person and refrain from it.
Using the same tactics makes you an asshat just like the other guy.
Re:For everyone who is going WTF who is Glenn Beck (Score:1, Insightful)
So he's a conservative, then.
Re:icing on the cake: (Score:2, Insightful)
It takes a broad brush to paint a neck red. Seriously, Anyone who listens to Glenn Beck gets zero respect from normal, educated Americans. The man is a traitor, a bully, and an idiot. He wants America to fail so that he can say, "I told you so." He wants you to fail so you'll blame Obama. Glenn Beck is a subhuman poo flinging primate.
Re:Why bother? (Score:2, Insightful)
Beck's base cannot be any more polarized, or rallied. They live in a fantasyland.
I keep hearing things like this. I'm not necessarily a Glenn Beck fan, but I have seen his show and used to enjoy "Moron Trivia" from his radio show. The thing that I don't understand is that Glenn gets on his show and shows video of some member of saying something like, "I used to be a communist. Now I'm a radical communist." and people attack Glenn Beck!!??!! The only refutations of what Glenn Beck says are personal insults against him and his viewers. I have never seen anyone refute what Glenn Beck is actually saying.
So, if you have a problem with what Glenn Beck says, refute it. Don't simply hurl personal insults as it only proves him right.
Re:Sick of the Double Standard (Score:5, Insightful)
I would imagine most of the comments I just read were by those who have never even seen or listened to Beck's show.Calling the accusation of fictional rape of a young girl parody is ridiculous.
I have listened to Beck and I also consider his approach to calling anything or anyone who proposes a government run this or that as communist and socialist (and the "fact" that the left has a "hidden" agenda to turn the US into a communist state) is also ridiculous and extremely distasteful
Re:Has the real question been answered? (Score:4, Insightful)
Glenn Beck almost certainly did not rape and murder a young girl in 1990. However, with people raising the issue, he should step forward and deny that he raped and murdered a young girl in 1990. I mean, the man has a TV show, a very public forum to state that he didn't raped and murdered a young girl in 1990. He could open tomorrow by saying that he didn't rape and murder a young girl in 1990.
Instead he's now suing people who say he raped and murdered a young girl in 1990! I don't think this allegation is true for a second, but seriously, people, that doesn't look good.
In case you honestly don't get the joke, this is one of the many ways that Glenn Beck operates. He will explicitly state rumors, over and over, to assert he doesn't believe in them, but the Democrat involved, usually Obama, should deny them. So someone figured out, hey, he should have a rumor of his own to deny.
Re:icing on the cake: (Score:5, Insightful)
Being entitled to being enraged is obviously not a legal question but a moral one. Did Glenn Beck have a moral entitlement to being enraged? I don't think so, given his history. That's the point of that domain, after all.
Re:Why bother? (Score:5, Insightful)
I have never seen anyone refute what Glenn Beck is actually saying.
That's the his entire M.O., is it not? First, Beck accuses you of beating your wife (or some similar calumny). Then he tries to get you to deny it. If you rise to the bait and do deny it, he now has video of you denying it, and can use that video to imply that whether you beat your wife or not is a legitimate question. If you refuse to dignify him with a response, he can go ahead and claim that because you refused to deny it, there must be something to the accusation. Either way, he wins.
Re:icing on the cake: (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:icing on the cake: (Score:2, Insightful)
>It could even be argued that it implies that there are other people who are Glenn Beck fans and not drooling retards.
Unlikely as that may seem to anyone who has ever met a Glenn Beck fan.
Re:This is an attack on the teabaggers (Score:2, Insightful)
And in the end, nothing of any significance will change. So continues the failed experiment of big government and big bureaucracy..
Re:icing on the cake: (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:For everyone who is going WTF who is Glenn Beck (Score:5, Insightful)
"He is very conservative"
I'm a liberal but I think it's an insult to conservatives to call him that (seriously, there are intellectual, reasonable conservatives). He's just crazy. The best way to describe him is to call him a very successful television troll. I don't think he really has a position. He just want to get people riled up and attract as much attention to himself as possible.
Re:This is an attack on the teabaggers (Score:3, Insightful)
Wow! You got a virtual unknown conservative candidate within 4% of winning in a district that has elected Republicans since the 1880s!
And, honestly, you would have probably succeeded this time if the voters were not still entirely rejecting the right and everything you stand for. So there's that comfort.
Maybe next year, you'll actually manage to replace a Republican or two from, say, Utah! Assuming they're still electing Republicans over there.
You're exactly what the Republicans need, people kicking them in the head from behind because they suddenly are voting exactly the way they've always voted WRT to spending. Makes them honest. Honest and unconscious.
All of us here on the left are rooting for you.
Re:Why bother? (Score:5, Insightful)
Glenn Beck has said: It's just that almost everyone who does believe in global warming is a socialist."
Fact, the majority of american scientists -- over 90%, believe in Global warming. These are not socialist. Most are Democrats, but no, you don't get the right to tell other people what they believe. Deomcrats are liberals not socialists. We have the right to decide our own political affilialtion, you can't tell me I'm a socialist, anymore than I can tell you that you are a member of the NeoNazi party.
More importantly, not all scientists are Democrats. Yes, 55% say they are Democrats, but 6% say they are Republicans. (2% say they are independent). The independent ones also believe in Global warming.
(P.S. Republicans should be ashamed that so few scientists are Republicans. Yeah, I know the hole 'ivory tower' explanation, but frankly that might be enough to explain 20% or even 15%, but 6% indicates a serious problem).
The main problem with Glenn Beck is not the content, but the delivery.
That is I respect a man that says "I believe Obama is not an American Citizen" a lot more than I respect an asswipe that says "Isn't it interesting that Obama has not publicly denied being a Kenyan." The first man is simple ignorant, the second knows he is wrong, but wants to try an attack his opponent using dirty tricks based on a lie he refuses to stand up and state. The first man is a brave idiot, the second one is an intelligent coward trying to hide. I am proud to call the first a friend, but I would throw the second out of my house.
Glenn Beck is a shmuck, not because of what he believes, but of how he presents it.
Re:Sick of the Double Standard (Score:1, Insightful)
And we know the left (with an agreeable media) NEVER tries to take down someone they don't like. Just like the claims of Rush Limbaugh and racism...oh wait!
Wait. Does that mean you were being sarcastic the whole time? Because I thought it was pretty obvious to anyone who has listened to more than 10 minutes of Limbaugh that he IS racist. I know you probably want quotes. Don't have them off the top of my head as I try to scrub all memory of his hate-filled speech from my head. But I'd be glad to get them for you when I get off work.
Re:its fair turn around (Score:5, Insightful)
But the organization as a whole works as one machine. What Fox NEWS is very good at is reporting the rumors started by the Fox "commentators* - "...some people say..." - and those *commentators* are very good at talking about that *news* - "...it's been reported...". Rinse and repeat.
There should be no misconception that the entire Fox News organization is a propaganda machine for Rupert Murdoch and the Republican party. They are "fair and balanced" only up to the point that it conflicts with these two entities. To paint a broad stroke, anyone who cannot see that is deluded.
Re:Sick of the Double Standard (Score:3, Insightful)
You, my dear sir or madam, missed the point entirely, of course he didn't rape and kill anyone, it would certainly hit his ratings so he wouldn't do that, what the domain "parodied" was the style favored by Mr. Glenn "I do more research ..." Beck: make a statement about a target, imply its validity and ask why the target does not defend that accusation, because if he doesn't defend that accusation, then it must be true.
That *is* character assassination and he was called on it, quite publicly.
Remember, “if it weights more than a duck, it must be a witch"
Good Example, But Not Necessarily How You Meant... (Score:5, Insightful)
"You don't have to accept the definition of how to do things, and you don't have to follow other people's choices and paths, Okay? It is about your choices and your path. You fight your own war. You lay out your own path. You figure out what's right for you. You don't let external definitions define how good you are internally. You fight your war. You let them fight theirs. Everybody has their own path."
I watched the video of her delivering the speech, and it's perfectly plausible that her explanation is true. "...two of my favorite political philosophers: Mao Zedong and Mother Theresa" has all the hallmarks of a poorly delivered joke. She may, in fact, have heard that quote and backstory from Lee Atwater as she claimed.
So Beck, in his usual form, runs right out and connects her to all of Mao's atrocities, instead of to the quote she offered. He implies, AS YOU DO HERE, that she's a student of his work, and that she agrees with all of his choices. In no way can that be supported from anything else she's said, and it certainly can't be concluded on the basis of even this one isolated quote.
Beck does not back up most of his stuff. He implies. He solicits emotional response instead of enlightenment. He draws casual lines and tosses them aay without backing them up. He hammers his points, and you suck it up like his greedy little lap dog.
Wait a second... he's Michael Moore! Should have seen it before.
Re:Sick of the Double Standard (Score:3, Insightful)
I stopped reading at "democrat party".
Wotta loon.
Re:icing on the cake: (Score:3, Insightful)
I am sure that the drooling retards who call themselves Glenn Beck fans are outraged about this decision.
I want one of those broad brushes.
Where did you get yours? Ace? HomeDepot?
I can only hope that "fans" of Glenn Beck are sort of like pro wrestling "fans" -- They enjoy the performance, knowing deep down that it's not authentic.
Re:icing on the cake: (Score:5, Insightful)
This sort of satire has a rather long history, and has long been protected (see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hustler_Magazine_v._Falwell [wikipedia.org] ).
Beck is an infantile baby. Don't want this sort of attention, get a job as an accountant or burger slinger. Otherwise, shut up and take it.
Re:icing on the cake: (Score:5, Insightful)
No offense, and I know Glenn Beck fans. I like Glenn Beck fans. I've watched Fox. I really don't believe that conservatism is the politics of stupid. I -- you know, I think it's being hijacked.
With that being said, you are a Glenn Beck fan. You are saying, "That's a broad brush" And I have to tell you, I have been nervous about this, because what I feel like saying is, "Sir, prove to me that you are not a drooling idiot
And I know you're not. I'm not accusing you of being a drooling idiot, but that's the way I feel, and I think a lot of Americans will feel that way.
Re:icing on the cake: (Score:4, Insightful)
Re:icing on the cake: (Score:5, Insightful)
Is there such a thing as "too" educated? I don't see how this is possible.
But then again I find people slandering other people over being "intellectuals" to be rather silly. i'd rather be an intellectual than its opposite, ignorant. There also is a huge amount of irony in this, the people who are slandering other people for being "educated" are doing so for almost wholly political reasons. The politicians on the left are "intellectuals", but they ignore the fact that the "home grown" politicians are the right have roughly the same level of education.
G.W. Bush, for example, was a Yale grad, with roughly the same level of education as the evil intellectial Clinton (either of them). Obama actually has LESS time in the crusty halls of Ivy League academe as G.W. Bush.
I never see how being an ignorant yokel could be a point of pride. Its like America aspires to be back in highschool, where picking on nerds, just because they like books more than football, was a great passtime.
Ignorance and stupidity is not a positive character trait.
Re:icing on the cake: (Score:2, Insightful)
Much like the Rush Limbaugh slavery quote (Score:3, Insightful)
I really get tired of hearing that all the hate comes from the right when the left is just as guilty of it, if not more so in recent times. The Rush debacle was probably the lowest point some major media outlets reached since Dan Rather and CBS did in 2004.
Glen Beck makes himself a target and I bet he comes away richer for it. However, try this same type of website against someone who is black, gay, or Muslim, and see how long it lasts; if Beck were either of the tree I bet it would have been taking down by intimidation long before this. The media essentially ignored this site because they enjoyed it but if you touch one of the areas they are sensitive too I know it will be front page "hate crime" news.
Re:icing on the cake: (Score:3, Insightful)
If we could trust politicians to be honest and honorable, I'd completely agree with the sentiment.
Unfortunately, they cater to industry interests (in exchange for kickbacks and whatnot) over just about anything else. So electing an elite just means that they'll be better at serving their own interests.
Of course, someone "just like me" is probably an elite who's good at appearing like the common man. I don't think that Mr. Smith can get to Washington these days, much less hold the highest, most powerful position in the country.
Exactly (Score:5, Insightful)
And I'd also add: Don't be such a pussy - anything you dish out you should fully be able to take. I'd love to hear an explanation on why it's fair when you do it and unfair when it's done to you.
And on top of that: If you love 'Murica as much as you say you do, then you should at least learn how she works. We're actually pretty proud of the First Amendment. Too bad you're not.
glenn beck is a smear merchant (Score:5, Insightful)
his goal is to get attention, whether positive or negative. in fact, getting negative attention from his ideological opponents is probably more dear to him than getting positive attention from his admirers
you have to understand the man and the nature of his business: he's a professional troll. his goal is to create and generate emotional responses, whether positive or negative, its all the same to him. this is his business, and he's good at it. proof being, sites that mock and satire him: its proof of success
in fact, i'd bet he actually doesn't mind the site, it doesn't really bother him personally, but he shrewdly calculated that feigning outrage as a reaction would win him more response. i mean look at this giant shitstorm generated on slashdot over this ego-pumping pointlessness. we're all talking about glenn beck. beck, beck, beck, blah blah blah: he wins, he has our attention, he's the subject of our speech and occupies our thought. that's his goal
the man is a professional demagogue. this is what he does, and he does it well: he generates heat, pointless emotion, mindless easy outrage in service of a cause. of course, its all lies and smears, but what does that matter? truth is not the issue, influence is. and in politics the truth means something, but influence means even more
Re:Sick of the Double Standard (Score:5, Insightful)
That's entirely unreasonable. Socialism != Government-run. You don't think the U.S. military is socialist do you? Policemen and Firefighters aren't socialist are they?
The real problem is that too many Americans have no idea what Socialism is. The term has been shrewdly twisted by people who profit from Laissez-faire policies to effectively mean any and every service the government provides. But that is not socialism. The "means of production" is not defined as the ability to produce any product or any service like you seem to think.
It could just be that people are ignorant in general, and because they resent and distrust intellectuals, they end up getting their history lessons from buffoons like Glen Beck. The result is that a disturbing number of people end up truly believing that Nazism, Communism, Socialism, and Fascism are all the same. How can America hope to remain an innovative, dominant competitor in a global economy with such widespread ignorance?
-Grym
Re:Let's take Beck out of the equation (Score:2, Insightful)
Lew Rockwell is no better than Beck. Did you read the post you link to?
"Tonight, MSNBC’s Rachel Maddow had a sickeningly sycophantic interview with war criminal Madeline Albright about her new book on the creepy pins she wears. Is Albright a witch, or does she just look like one? One of her pins is a poisonous serpent. Ha ha ha."
That place is a nest of Pro-Confederacy, anti-Jewish and OMG fascism lunatics. I think I started surfing it in 2000, then after 9-11 the crazy really kicked in there.
Re:Sick of the Double Standard (Score:1, Insightful)
Because I thought it was pretty obvious to anyone who has listened to more than 10 minutes of Limbaugh that he is NOT racist.
Fixed that for you.
Re:icing on the cake: (Score:3, Insightful)
Yeah, you know, America could use an opposition party that uses rational arguments rather than MAKING SHIT UP. Don't tell me about how Obama is from Kenya, or how he's going to kill old people. Tell me about how his policies will actually affect this country negatively.
And nobody's saying anything - or if they are, they're being drowned out by noise. I shouldn't just assume that there's absolutely no down side to the health care reform bill, but that's what I'm left to believe. Republicans are doing a terrible job spreading their ideology. It makes me wonder whether the Republican party was supplanted by loons on purpose to get Democratic agenda passed. But if that were the case, the Democrats would be moving faster than molasses, I'd think.
Re:Random Strawman: not the same as topical eye-po (Score:3, Insightful)
Obviously, the Whtie House doesn't want to take the bait, because then they'll have to actually talk about those idiots directly
They don't want to "take the bait" because all it would legitimize Beck and drive up his ratings. Haven't you ever heard that you shouldn't argue with a madman? The people who are convinced by his ravings won't be convinced by your good arguments.
Re:Why bother? (Score:3, Insightful)
You really think redistribution of wealth == communism?
You are aware that even the Republicans will take your taxes and use them to fund the (albeit limited) US welfare system. Yes, even the republicans will take your money and give it to folk less well off.
Some would call that fair. Others would call it society. You on the other hand apparently believe Reagan was and George W Bush is a communist.
Remember that Social Security in the US is paid from current revenue. What you pay in is used today, it's not an investment fund. So when you turn 65, be sure not to claim any state support, or Medicare, lest you too become a communist.
Re:This is an attack on the teabaggers (Score:3, Insightful)
which begs the question who put that lady in as the Republican candidate? i mean, did she just walk in off the street and nobody noticed?
i mean doesnt the Republican party (ANY PARTY) choose its own representatives? i find your post disingenuous to a fer high degree, sir. i fear the only one you may be deluding is yourself.
Re:icing on the cake: (Score:4, Insightful)
Or set up a flag@whitehouse.gov email that your constituents can use to report anyone speaking ill of you or your policies for "further education"...
Re:icing on the cake: (Score:2, Insightful)
You're obviously not in contact with reality, and you (and your friends) are not fooling anybody anymore.
When that sentence is pronounced to a Glenn Beck fan, the correct moderation is +5 Insightful. Make it happen.
Re:When did Glen Beck start being conservative? (Score:3, Insightful)
Is Beck actually playing a joke on everyone?
As I don't know Beck personally I am of the opinion that the character that Beck plays on air is an anti-intellectual, fear mongering, fact misrepresenting, isolationist who uses logical fallacies to further his points. And as such the actual Beck is most likely a shrewd, capitalistic genius in being able to exploit the American public in the way he does in exchange for $$$. The possibility that Beck is actually like the character he portrays is even more scary than the entertainment show that he fronts. All entertainers have their schtick and Beck has found one that has attracted a large audience
"The Glen Beck Show - A fusion of entertainment and enlightenment" (my emphasis)
Re:For everyone who is going WTF who is Glenn Beck (Score:2, Insightful)
Re:Exactly (Score:3, Insightful)
Except this isn't slander, it's parody. It appears you have the same blind spot Mr. Beck has.
But I will agree with you on Fox. Anyone has a right to stand up on a soapbox and say whatever they wish to. If anyone is actually looking to curtail their first amendment rights, then they are in the wrong. If anyone actually is doing so.
BTW if you're really looking for egregious crimes against the first amendment, W takes the cake. [aclu.org]
Re:Exactly (Score:5, Insightful)
Nobody's been trying to "muscle" Fox out of the networks. Is the White House trying to shut them down? Send the army into the studio?
Re:icing on the cake: (Score:1, Insightful)
Re:icing on the cake: (Score:3, Insightful)
Intellectualism is being used as a synonym for elitism, not intelligence.
Re:Why bother? (Score:5, Insightful)
http://mediamatters.org/mmtv/200611150004 [mediamatters.org]
Go on, justify it.
Re:icing on the cake: (Score:2, Insightful)
Anonymous Shit said
You, sir, are a moron of the highest order. This revelation explains much of the drivel you post to this site.
Log-in and say that, so we can mod you down as the -1 Troll you are.
Re:Exactly (Score:2, Insightful)
No, but you do have to admit that this is pretty much the first time a president or administration or party in power has overtly dismissed an entire news network, and actually spoken ill specifically of them. I mean, as bad as it got for Nixon, or Clinton, they didn't single out a news network that was reporting badly about them, verbally attack them, and cut off access from them like the current administration has to Fox. No matter your opinion of what comes out of Fox editorally, doesn't that strike you a little odd?
As an aside, does it not strike you as a little odd, that none of the other networks seem to pick on the current administration in any fashion? I mean, NO administration is without its warts, and errors....and in the past the press seemed to always be on the search for this no matter who was in office. It strikes me a little strange that none of the other networks seems to be trying to find much fault with the current administration except Fox.
Re:icing on the cake: (Score:4, Insightful)
I think you're confusing causation and correlation. Being educated has nothing to do with being a Cosmic Schmuck.
The search for certitude - like the pretense of moral righteousness - appears to me as a medieval habit that should have vanished long ago. None of us knows enough to be certain about anything, usually, and none of us are nearly as 'moral' as we feel obliged to pretend we are in order to be acceptable to 'Decent' Society.
If we are not totally stupid and blindly selfish on all possible occasions, we are about as bright and ethical as anyone in history has ever been. The greatest batters in the history of baseball all had batting averages well below 0.500, which means they missed more than half the time they swung. Medieval morality and theology have left us with the hypocritical habit of pretending batting averages close to 0.999 in both knowledge and ethics. (The Absolutists go around talking and acting as if their averages were actually 1.000 or sheer perfection.) On average, I think I score under Babe Ruth and I suspect you do, too.
There thus appears to be a great deal of conceit and self - deception in the habitual poses of intellectual certitude and ethical perfection among the educated classes. It would appear more in keeping with honesty, I think, to recognize, as analogous to Murphy's Law, the unscientific but useful generalization I call the Cosmic Schmuck Principle.
The Cosmic Schmuck Principle holds that if you don't wake up, once a month at least, and realize that you have been acting like a Cosmic Schmuck again then you will probably go on acting like a cosmic schmuck forever; but if you do, occasionally, recognize your Cosmic Schmuckiness, then you might begin to become a little less Schmucky that the general human average at this primitive stage of terrestrial evolution.
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Natural Law
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by Robert Anton Wilson
Re:icing on the cake: (Score:3, Insightful)
Yeah, what a folksy and absolutely bullshit story. Are you telling me that a stop sign would have made the difference there?
An intersection is an intersection, the same problems you detail would have occured with a stop sign as well.
Way to prove that you have a bias against both the rich and the intelligent without actually justifying shit.
Re:Exactly (Score:5, Insightful)
It doesn't strike me as that odd... I have never seen a "major news organization" that has been as blatantly partisan and as blatantly biased as Fox News.
Re:Exactly (Score:2, Insightful)
NBC? CBS? MSNBC? You honestly don't see those as being about as partisan towards the left side of things?
Re:icing on the cake: (Score:4, Insightful)
So you're upset by Healthcare, but you weren't worried when the government got permission to do wiretaps without a FISA order?
You're angered by bank bailouts, but not by citizens being held without trial, or US entities breaching treaties and conventions that we signed as a nation (like the Convention Against Torture)?
You are more concerned about TAXES then protesters being put in 'Free Speech Zones" that amounted to little more than cages?
Jefferson would make his hand strong and pimp slap you for invoking his name with that sort of logic.
Re:Exactly (Score:4, Insightful)
The reason I, personally, have a problem with Beck is exactly what is portrayed by this website.
He never SAYS that "The Government is doing *Insert Evil Act Here*." He just implies it. A lot. With no facts at all. Then he cries, and claims he's scared, all attempting to make people think he cares about them.
Then he compares some government program to what Hitler would do. Then maybe he talks about how the government COULD, not that they are, but so easily COULD put something in the swine flu vaccine.
It's scare politics. It's all it really is. Sure, he throws out the occasional "well, I'm speaking of the Republicans, too, don't want to make this political," but by far it's obvious where his loyalties lie. So obvious even SNL mocks him for it. Which is saying something.
And yes, Olbermann can be bad. But that's one guy on one channel. And he does tend to have some factual basis for his opinions. And I don't see his stuff leaking into the rest of the MSNBC newscasting.
Re:icing on the cake: (Score:1, Insightful)
Doesn't change the fact that you think Glenn Beck, known nutjob, is worth watching, because he's pulling shit out of his ass in front of you and calling it someone else's.
Go ahead and mod me down for trolling, I deserve it. Every one of you knows it's true though.
Re:Exactly (Score:4, Insightful)
George W Bush, MSNBC.
Hardly the first time.
Re:Exactly (Score:5, Insightful)
but you do have to admit that this is pretty much the first time a president or administration or party in power has overtly dismissed an entire news network, and actually spoken ill specifically of them.
No, I don't have to admit that - the Bush administration did the same thing with CNN, for simple reporting of the news.
They problem with Fox is that they are organizing political rallies, which makes them not a news organization, by definition - it makes them a political organization.
as bad as it got for Nixon, or Clinton, they didn't single out a news network that was reporting badly about them, verbally attack them, and cut off access from them like the current administration has to Fox.
The difference is that Fox is a political organization, not a news one. If they want to be treated like a news network, they should cease organizing political protests. They're free to give their opinion, but the second they start paying to host and organize political movements, they cease being an impartial observer.
Re:icing on the cake: (Score:3, Insightful)
You can attack Beck all you want, but he plays video and audio that nobody else finds, so he doesn't need credibility.
Uhuh. Here, let me show you how Beck would quote you:
So here's an interesting quote I found in some writings by jadavis:
'"we want the president hiring a bunch of leftist radicals"
Yup, you heard him right, folks. Now, don't get me wrong, I'm not saying jadavis is a filthy, pinko communist. Heck, I *like* jadavis. But, let's face it, when you read something like this, it just makes you wonder, doesn't it?'
In short, Beck is a filthy, stinking liar. Worse, he's been caught repeatedly, and he keeps doing it. Worst of hall, his idiot fans believe his bullshit.
And yes, you read that right, I did in fact call you a fucking idiot.
Re:icing on the cake: (Score:5, Insightful)
It's funny really - Beck is all for the Constitution, except when it's inconvenient for him. Then he appeals to those same transnational bodies he rails against on his show to get around it.
Re:Exactly (Score:3, Insightful)
Also don't forget that, as The Daily Show has pointed out on numerous occasions, Fox News then uses Beck's show and his audience (without direct reference, of course) to assert that 'Americans are starting to wonder if this government program isn't suspiciously like something Hitler would do'. It is painfully obvious that the whole thing is orchestrated to invent news. Fox has figured out a way to monetize the self-righteous indignation of Americans. All of the cable news outlets are guilty of it to some degree, but Fox consistently seems to be the most shameless. As far as right-wing and left-wing go, it hardly even matters to them. The far right just happens to be the audience they've chosen for the show they put on, and at the moment, it's a pretty lucrative demographic.
The White House is probably right to ignore them, but since mainstream media is mostly about entertainment, and since everybody would much rather watch entertainment than the news, the government needs those outlets to actually reach people. It's a pretty sad state of affairs.
Re:icing on the cake: (Score:3, Insightful)
>>>So you're upset by Healthcare, but you weren't worried when the government got permission to do wiretaps without a FISA order
>>>You're angered by bank bailouts, but not by citizens being held without trial...
>>>You are more concerned about TAXES then protesters being put in 'Free Speech Zones"...
Strawman argument. I didn't vote for Bush, and I thought his decision to go to war just because ~1500 people died was foolish, and I though the U.S.A. P.A.T.R.I.O.T. Act and other anti-liberty laws were even more foolish.
Nice try though. You made the false assumption that because I oppose Democrats/Obama, I must automatically support Bush, but you were flat wrong. Never assume. I said I was Jeffersonian and that's what I meant.
Re:Exactly (Score:2, Insightful)
Re:icing on the cake: (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:icing on the cake: (Score:3, Insightful)
Example, please? People say outrageous things, and then use "out of context" like a magic wand, without ever explaining what the context is.
Well, the first clip [youtube.com] in parent's parent's comment is actually a pretty good example (mind you, I'm not from the US, so I might be wearing different spectacles). While he does provide some context in that he shows a big part of the speech, he neither seems to understand or acknowledge the context. He either wilfully ignores, or is ignorant of, what she is actually saying just to paint her, and Mr Obama, as communists.
1: He is not listening to what she is saying. She actually says that Mao and Mother Theresa are her favourites for making the point she's making: "...but the two people I turn to most, to basically deliver a simple point..."
2: It is actually quite interesting that they stop subtitling the video at the point where she starts explaining that your freedom is yours. That you can do what you want and don't have to follow dogma or preconception. That is the context that he is ignoring. I'd actually say that using Mao as well as Mother Theresa as an example is pretty smart. It shows that with freedom to take your own path comes great responsibility, take a wrong turn and forget the consequences of your actions and you may fall to "evil".
3: Another quite essential part that he is missing is that normal people do not need to agree 100% with their "favourite philosophers", it is quite all right to pick and choose in most cases. And the point he makes about Mein Kampff in the end only reinforces that perspective (as well as making me shout "Godwin!" to further invalidate him.
Re:icing on the cake: (Score:2, Insightful)
The one day I listened to his show he was talking about this...
I would not have known that Obama's Communication Director considers Mother Teresa and Chairman Mao her favorite philosophers, and that she admire how Mao overthrew the Democratic Chinese government.
I thought it was most definitely worth talking about, and spoke to the the people that Obama was choosing for his administration. That kinda shit should have had her fired in half a minute. She proceeded to say she didn't say it in any seriousness, and that it was funny. Admiring Mao is not funny.
People like Beck are worth watching occasionally. You should not be so naive as to think he is not worth watching (or listening to, he is also on the radio). I am not saying you have to every day - just that sometimes it is worthwhile.
Re:Not entirely true (Score:3, Insightful)
So, the doctor who delivered Obama, and the newspaper that printed his birth announcement must be in on the scam? And the certificate that Hawaii issued was the only official certificate at the time. No controversy, just a bunch of hateful morons who can't stand the idea of a successful black man. Why would Obama even bother to speak to these wingers? That would just encourage them to waste more of his time.
Re:Why bother? (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:Exactly (Score:5, Insightful)
"You honestly don't see those as being about as partisan towards the left side of things"
I see ALL of the "mainstream" media as a giant propaganda machine designed to perpetuate the status quo and serve wealthy special interests. Both of the "major" political parties are really on the same "side", except on a few divisive and emotional (but largely unimportant) issues. The mission of the MSM is to create and maintain the illusion of genuine political opposition. Their primary tool for doing this is to constrain the political dialogue in this country to a narrow spectrum of "acceptable" viewpoints, and then twist every issue into a narrow minded black and white paradigm where there are "two sides". Real investigative journalism no longer exists in the confines of the mainstream press.
We would all do well to completely ignore the MSM propaganda. Long live the bloggers and the independent media.
Re:Exactly (Score:3, Insightful)
Here is how I know: no one in the MSM stood up and said that single-payer should have been the starting point for HCR negotiations, no one in the MSM calls for an end to Prohibition (the War on some Drugs). The only thing I can think of which might qualify is the fact that KO often calls for investigations into government lawbreaking, which reads to me more as a profound respect for the Rule of Law than any personal political beliefs.
The point (Score:4, Insightful)
If you look at the language of the site, they're specifically not accusing him of rape (odd, that you should pick that over murder, but oh well).
The point is that he uses exactly the same kind of language to accuse people of all sorts of things -- f.ex. accusing a Muslim congrescritter of being a terrorist by using absurdly leading language such as "Now, *I'm* not saying that you're a terrorist, but some people might think .... Why don't you deny the rumour that you are a terrorist?"
Glenn Beck is a fucking pussy who can't handle being confronted with his own tactics and he no moral high ground in this case.
Re:Why bother? (Score:3, Insightful)
Great post with one minor nitpick:
Scientist's don't really believe in global warming so much as accept it. That is, the current evidence very clearly points to a trend of global warming, and there is evidence that it is bad. This is why scientists and people who think like them really are more intelligent than others: if the evidence changes, so will their acceptance of it. It is shocking how few people actually understand this.
What isn't so clear is how much of an effect mankind has had on it, and how much power we have to stop it or at least slow it down. That's what is debatable. In my opinion we should be trying to head it off because it benefits us so much to do so. Using more alternative and/or renewable energy sources reduces both pollution and dependence on foreign oil. Sure it's expensive now but I'd rather spend that money here instead of pumping billions of dollars a day into the Middle East. The
Agreed100% (Score:3, Insightful)
I consider neither of them to be journalists in any useful sense of the word.
Exactly it. As Jon Stewart noted, they're theater and not news. [youtube.com]
And I agree with Jon - they're hurting America. Remember when people would ask you what your stand was on a given issue? People don't really do that anymore, do they? They ask (in one form or another) what side you're on. And that's a huge difference.
Political discourse used to be a discussion of issues. Each individual and separate. Political discussions used to be like a trip to the salad bar. Now it's two choices A or B.
Take Kral_Blbec above, who got downmodded to oblivion. I said something that ran contrary to some position of his. He therefore assumed I must be from the other party. "Your beloved leader doesn't seem..." To people like him who are so heavily polarized, it seems impossible to partially disagree with his party. You're either one of us, or one of them. You can't get these types of people to actually think about anything. They just recite their set sound bites and want their side to win. It's infuriating.
It's entirely possible to make up your mind on every individual issue on your own. And these talking heads are slowly robbing us of this.
It's depressing how low political discourse has sunk just in the span of my lifetime.
Re:icing on the cake: (Score:3, Insightful)
You are a strong data point for the notion that IQ doesn't reflect intelligence. Beck is a phony and a viper, as would be apparent to Jefferson or anyone with two neurons to rub together. And, in case you didn't notice, Jefferson lost his argument against a strong Federal Government more than 200 years ago, and it was finally buried for good in the Civil War.
Re:icing on the cake: (Score:3, Insightful)
...the rich people that live and vacation on the lake got sick of having to wait a stop sign when they wanted to leave... Sometimes the stupid people know things that the intellectual elite are too smart to see for themselves
Sometimes our biases are plain to see. For some reason, you seem to equate "rich" with "intellectual elite." I've known a lot of rich people, and I've known a lot of smart people. While there is some overlap between the two, I wouldn't say that it's large, or that intelligence, or even education, is a defining characteristic of the wealthy. The wealthy may be elite, but they tend not to be intellectual (e.g. our last president was definitely an east coast ivy league elite who was born to incredible wealth, but he wasn't an intellectual. Our current one is an intellectual, but was not born to wealth. Crazy, huh? Barak Obama has more in common with a poor suburban white man living in a trailer than G.W.B ever did. But that white guy is afraid of "eliteist" Obama, because he watches Glen Beck.)
Off the top of my head, I'd guess either you don't know many rich people or maybe you have some interest in perpetuating the idea that wealth always is earned and is always deserved as the result of hard work. That, unfortunately, is the exception rather than the rule. I know high school teachers with 150 IQ and lawyers with IQs less than 100. I'm not sure I know an MBA with an IQ above 115. I know people who worked and invested their way into wealth, but I know far more people who were born into it, married into it, were in the right place at the right time, or were just really pretty. There's a better correlation between height and business advancement than there is with IQ. If you look good in a suit, you will go far.
Any how, I'm one of those rich intellectual elites now, and I have nothing but disdain for rich NIMBYs who don't let their kids outside for fear of kidnappers and want a stoplight on every street corner. Please don't include all of the rich in with the few who happen to be intellectuals. And please, when Fox News is talking about the intellectual elites, understand that this is a bogeyman that they have developed that is there to make everyone think that "liberals think they are better than you" while hiding the fact that they (Fox News) are mouthpieces for the rich non-intellectual elites who want you to ignore them standing behind the curtain.
Re:icing on the cake: (Score:1, Insightful)
Y0ur F4ce is the best satire on slashdot!
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