Demo of EU's Planned "INDECT" Hints At Massive Data Mining, Little Privacy 122
Ronald Dumsfeld writes "Wikinews puts together some of the details around the EU's five-year-plan called Project INDECT, and brings attention to a leaked 'sales-pitch' video: 'An unreleased promotional video for INDECT located on YouTube is shown to the right. The simplified example of the system in operation shows a file of documents with a visible INDECT-titled cover stolen from an office and exchanged in a car park. How the police are alerted to the document theft is unclear in the video; as a "threat," it would be the INDECT system's job to predict it. Throughout the video use of CCTV equipment, facial recognition, number plate reading, and aerial surveillance give friend-or-foe information with an overlaid map to authorities. The police proactively use this information to coordinate locating, pursing, and capturing the document recipient. The file of documents is retrieved, and the recipient roughly detained.'"
Enhance (Score:4, Insightful)
http://www.phdcomics.com/comics.php?n=1156 [phdcomics.com]
Turns out... it's theoretically impossible!
Seriously, this video plays like a bad science ficition movie... they say "let us monitor everything and we'll magically know when crimes are committed," without saying exactly *how* they plan on sorting through the incredible amount of data and coming up with "crime X being committed right now" in a timely manner.
Ministry of Everything (Score:5, Insightful)
Guys....
The book 1984 was not meant to be a *manual*
Thanks.
Re:They like it rough. (Score:3, Insightful)
A report accidentally published on the Internet provides insight into a secretive European Union surveillance project designed to monitor its citizens, as reported by Wikileaks earlier this month. Project INDECT aims to mine data from television, internet traffic, cellphone conversations, p2p file sharing and a range of other sources for crime prevention and threat prediction.
If this doesn't sound like breaking privacy, I dont know what does. And I bet it's UK that is trying to bring this into all EU countries.
Re:For totalitarian government everywhere (Score:5, Insightful)
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Re:They like it rough. (Score:3, Insightful)
Especially since GSM is supposed to be encrypted [wikipedia.org], even if there are already methods to break it.
Re:Enhance (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:Ministry of Everything (Score:3, Insightful)
See, you don't have it fully down, it's not "bad guys" (because that sounds silly). You have to appeal to fears properly, like this:
Not giving them unrestricted access to monitor everyone continuously would only help terrorists, child predators, and unwed teenage mothers.
Sounds like a senseless collission of... (Score:2, Insightful)
Hate to sound safe, but... (Score:1, Insightful)
"This future will be sold to people on the basis that it "will make them safer." And who doesn't want to be safer?"
Safer from what? An out of control financial sector? Corporate malfeasance? Bullying at school? Why isn't anyone trying to protect me from the real dangers?
Re:They like it rough. (Score:3, Insightful)
That implies that you think there is some natural right to "private conversations using other people's stuff". I'm sorry, but if you use my telephone in my house, it's my wires and you have as much privacy as I decide to give you. The fact you can't build the infrastructure yourself has no relevance to that.
They would also have to be on their own internets thats only on their own lines. It's just not possible to do that.
So? That's why I included the statement about ENCRYPTING your messages yourself. You want privacy when you use MY telephone? You bring your own scrambler.
Thats *why we have privacy laws in place*.
Yes, we have "privacy laws" that violate the laws of physics in place because of ignorant people having ignorant expectations about what is private. They think "because I want it to be" is sufficient. It isn't. If your cell phone conversation can be picked up by my television set, your "privacy laws" don't mean much (and yes, the old analog cell phones could be picked up on tv sets.)
But there will be consequences for the people breaking them.
Really? You mean like the case of the people who recorded and released the cell phone conversations between Gingrich and Boehner (IIRC)? Made national news, but no "consequences" to the law-breakers.
And even in the rare case where there are consequences, that doesn't change the fact that your privacy did not exist in reality, only in your mind. Making it a crime to listen to you talking on your phone doesn't make your conversation private, it just makes it a crime to listen. You are a victim of the Cellular telephone industry, who managed to cripple an entire radio industry because they didn't want to digitize and encrypt their analog cell phone systems, even though it was patently obvious that digital and encryption was going to happen anyway. Welcome to 2009, where it is still illegal to sell radios with certain frequencies, even though everything on those frequencies is gone or unlistenable, and where a new design of cell-phone is using frequencies outside the prohibited bands.
Re:Who the hell are they trying to catch? (Score:3, Insightful)
Two possibilities:
Osama isn't in Pakistan (or Afghanistan) at all - he's disappeared, or died, or retired to Florida to drink pina-coladas all day, or - The security forces don't actually WANT to find him, as once they do there's no reason for them to continue in the region: Job done, game over, go home. And then what will they do to keep the contracts flowing to their friends in low places?
Osama Bin Laden is, truly, the modern-day Emmanuel Goldstein.
Re:Enhance (Score:4, Insightful)
It doesn't matter if the damn thing works or not because eventually it will.
Actually, it doesn't matter if the damn thing works or not, because even if it doesn't -- it can still make your life a living hell [antipolygraph.org].
But I agree with you, eventually it will work, if newspapers have mastered fortune-telling and horoscopes technology, it means it's just a matter of time before the government gets it as well.