Timeglider Software Outlines Rosenberg Spy Case 99
An anonymous reader writes "Related to the previous story on Slashdot on the release of the Vassiliev Notebooks: the Cold War project has created a timeline on the Rosenberg spy ring (using Timeglider — a web-based, Flash-powered software for creating timelines), integrating the documentation from the Venona Intercepts, the FBI files related to industrial and atomic espionage, the Rosenberg trial papers and the Vassiliev notebooks in a easy-to-digest, complete picture of the evidence on the Rosenberg's involvement in atomic espionage. It can be accessed via the project's webpage. The use of Timeglider makes understanding the complex nature of the case and the newly available documentation more manageable."
Re:What is treason? (Score:5, Insightful)
Treason is to act against your own countrymen in the service of another country. But is that really what it boils down to when you prevent more deaths through dissemination of state secrets? Is it really an offense worthy of death to act according to your own morality?
Meh. What the Rosenbergs did - giving atomic secrets to a hostile tyranny is treason. I'm no fan of the death penalty, but it's definitely a serious crime. And I'm sure if the sort of people the Rosenbergs had favoured had ended up running the country there would have been a lot more people executed under treason charges who were just 'acting under their own morality', treason being a popular though spurious charge in Stalinist show trials.
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Meh. What the Rosenbergs did - giving atomic secrets to a hostile tyranny is treason. I'm no fan of the death penalty, but it's definitely a serious crime.
Ironically, the Soviets having nukes when they did might have prevented a US invasion of mainland China or the use of nukes on North Korea and China in the 1950's during the escalation of the Korean War.
My guess such an invasion and protracted war would have been economically disastrous for the US leading the Soviets to simply to win by default once they
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No, the Soviets having nukes was not why the US didn't invade China or nuke the DPRK and/or China in 1950.
The US didn't do those things because the civilian leadership of the US didn't want to get into a massive war with China and some of the military leadership did, so the failure to invade/nuke is due to reigning in MacArthur and not because the Soviets had a handful of fission bombs
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They weren't worried about a Nuclear Exchange, they were worried about a conventional one, of massive Chinese infantry.
Of course no one here on Slash dot will ever concede the US never had any territorial ambitions in China, but that, in fact, is the case. After just completing world war 2 and a huge cost no one wanted the Korean war, not even the Military.
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In the U.S., treason is narrowly defined as "levying war against [the U.S.], or in adhering to their enemies, giving them aid and comfort." The Rosenbergs did not make war against the U.S., and no state of war existed between the U.S. and the U.S.S.R., so we were not enemies. We were rivals in a geopolitical game including nuclear brinksmanship and other brutal and stupid behavior on both sides, yes, but not enemies. (Indeed,
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In the U.S., treason is narrowly defined as "levying war against [the U.S.], or in adhering to their enemies, giving them aid and comfort." The Rosenbergs did not make war against the U.S., and no state of war existed between the U.S. and the U.S.S.R., so we were not enemies.
While we're quoting the constitution, please quote the part that defines "enemy".
Oh.
Gosh, I guess that means it's up to the courts to interpret...
By the way, you do realize that your whole point is invalid because the Rosenbergs were not charged with treason, right? They were sentenced for espionage, not treason. And by the way, they took oaths not to reveal secrets and were aware that any illegal revelations carried the potential of the death penalty.
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No more so than it's up to the courts to interpret any other word. In the context "levying war against..or in adhering to their enemies", it means a group at war with the U.S. Full stop.
Would you care to look upthread and see how the topic of treas
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So is George Bush a traitor?
Perhaps not, but by many metrics, he is a war criminal. More Iraqis have died since the beginning of the Iraqi war than under Saddam's reign. For the things that GW has done to the American constitution ... (And, I am not a USA citizen! If I was, I would be doubly pissed!)
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More Iraqis have died since the beginning of the Iraqi war than under Saddam's reign.
Er, documentation? And since you're no doubt including all fatalities, including those inflicted by enemy forces, be sure to include the deaths from Saddam's futile war against Iran.
Massacre or fight for freedom (Score:5, Informative)
Let me help you. What he meant was, that more people had died in the war which ensued following the US invasion of Iraq than had died in peacetime under Saddam's regime. He's right.
If you believe Amnesty International's figures, there were fewer than 200 hangings in Iraq per year before the invasion (some might say that's enough), and even as his regime responded to uprisings, they killed fewer Iraqis than were killed as a direct result of the US invasion.
The difference is that when Saddam's regime killed people to put down the uprising, the US called it a massacre. When the US killed thousands of Iraqis during and since the invasion to suppress opposition, it is described as a necessary but tragic consequence of ridding Iraq of a dictator.
I am not an admirer of Saddam or his yobbish sons, but the story is not as clear cut as you would like to believe.
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Did those 200 deaths include the girls that Uday Hussein make dissapear after he'd finished with them? I think not. Did those 'peacetime' deaths include the deaths from diverting medicines for the people under Saddam to regime stabilization toys like Playstations for the kids of the ruling class? Of course not. AI is lying with statistics. A lot of people are. Apples to apples please.
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And ours are documented - not some MOSSAD provided "baby incubator"-type monster-propaganda, disseminated to dehumanize an enemy of Israel.
BAGHDAD, Aug. 7 -- A U.S. soldier charged with the rape and murder of a teenage Iraqi girl and the deaths of three of her relatives described to army investigators how he and his comrades hatched the plot during a morning of drinking whiskey, playing cards and hitting golf balls, an Army investigator testified Monday.
Spec. James P. Barker, 23, made the graphic admission
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Skaret told jurors that a group of soldiers, including Green, were playing cards and drinking whiskey at a checkpoint near Mahmudiyah, about 15 miles south of Baghdad.
Talk turned to having sex with Iraqi women, when one soldier mentioned the al-Janabi family, who lived nearby, Skaret said. Soldiers then went to the home where, according to prosecutors, Green pulled the father, mother, and daughters ages 6 and 14 into another room, then pushed the 14-year-old out.
Skaret said Green used a shotgun to kill the
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Israel doesn't need to make things up to dehumanize its enemies: they openly advertise their depravity. Islamic anti-semites loudly proclaim their bigotry, explicitly state their genocidal aims, and take "credit" for war crimes up to and including the deliberate murder of little girls.
The "incubator" stuff did not come from the Mossad. It came from Kuwait, not a big buddy of Israel.
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Hey, Hasbara astro-turfer, who boast of killing babies? The IDF! They even print T-Shirts, that laugh about killing pregnant women.
Israeli Army T-Shirts Mock Gaza Killings of Women and Children [sky.com]
Of course, they don't usually use bullets. Internationally banned chemical warfare agents, like White Phosphorus [google.com] will kill a neighborhood full of children, [ning.com] so much easier.
Per your deception on the origin of the Incubator smear of Iraq? Kuwait is a client of the USA. The USA is a client of Israel. [jpost.com]
"[The Palestini
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Why did you sidestep my observation of pervasive human evil, with supported claims of an American devilry being equal to that of any unsubstantiated propaganda about Iraq?
You went straight for a defense of Israel! And used broad - again unsubstantiated by evidence - claims to justify classifying Muslims as a sub-human category! Presumably as justification for their slaughter?
You are piece of work!
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Have You Killed a PalestinianToday?
May 22, 2009 5 Comments [wordpress.com]
1. In the good old days when the Summer and Winter Olympics were hosted in some really odd country, Canada for some reason comes to mind, the hosts used to be able to introduce their own sport to the smorgasbord of increasingly ridiculous sporting events that are the fruit of the Olympic Movement as the rich like to call it. So, maybe the Canadians would have introduced curling but they were beaten to this by the French in 1924. Anyway, a host country could push to have one of its sports as a demonstration sport to further the sports popularity.
Embracing the universalist elitism of the Olympic Movement and keeping in step with the mores of globalism, the tuyuur here at Mantiq al-Tayr very much hope that the Olympics will soon be hosted by Israel or by its satellite country, The United States of America. If the games are hosted in the US, then we recommend that waterboarding be introduced as a demonstration sport. In fact, recent events have provided excellent victims to be publically waterboarded by Israeli-trained CIA contractors and the winner would be the one who gets the most outrageous confession from these four morons who were set up [washingtonpost.com]by the FBI. (While Rosen and Weissman get off. Oh, and where the hell is Edward Mosberg [dailyrecord.com]? An email from Mantiq al-Tayr to the author of the article sent two days ago asking if Mosberg has come back to the US or not remains unanswered.)
However, in the interests of providing a really entertaining demonstration sport that will stimulate the loins of everyone from AIPAC to Judith Miller, we here at Mantiq al-Tayr held a minyan and bobbed our heads up and down begging Shadai to have the Olympics held in Israels eternal capital (no, not New York you smart asses), Jerusalem.
The Israeli national pass time is finding creative ways to murder Palestinian men, women and children. They are very good at it and probably would take the Gold, Silver and Bronze medals. Still, its great fun and Im sure that the US and the UK would at least give the Izzies a run for their money that they took from us.
So, for example, lets take the case of Israeli Border patrolmen Shachar Butbika and Dennis al-Hazub. They won a gold medal in 2002 for abducting a 17 year old Palestinian boy, beating the shit out of him, and then kicking him off the top of their patrol car as it roared down the road at 80 kph. His head smashed into the pavement and the impact killed him. What made this one even more fun was that the boy violated Israeli law by resisting their efforts to toss him off the patrol car kind of like a battle you have when you catch a big fish and real it in. Hahaha-Aretz reports:
He was beaten by Butbika and then forced to jump from the moving vehicle. He resisted, holding onto the jeeps roof, but was eventually forced out. One of the officers shouted hes dead. They drove away, without offering medical assistance, and tried to eliminate the evidence.
The 17 year old boys name is: 'Imran Abu Hamdiya
Here is a photo of him.
[btselem.org]
Imran Abu Hamdiya
Butbika and al-Hazub also won the silver medal that day as well. For earlier in the day they picked up another Palestinian youth, 20 year old Alaa Sankrut. Sankrut
was hauled onto the jeep, driven to a discreet location and kicked and beaten with a pickaxe handle, sustaining skull fractures
Unfortunately, Butbika and al-Hazub fucked up and the guy lived, much to the dismay [thetruthseeker.co.uk]of Rabbis throughout the land.
You anti-Semites might be pleased to know that Butbika, al-Hazub and two more of their cohorts were sentenced to several years in jail recently having somehow been convicted of manslaughter, yes, manslaughter, not premeditated murder, manslaughter. Theyll spend about as much time in jail as Michael Vick.
Hunting Palestinians is a game that goes on every day and each day more and more interesting ways of scoring are being invented. This past week two IDF dudes used an ice cream truck [haaretz.com] to drive around the West Bank. No doubt the truck could be counted on to bring children within point blank range and if you get a clean shot, you get a t-shirt [richardsilverstein.com]. Unfortunately for these two clowns, they didnt coordinate their activity with their partners in crime, the Palestinian police, so when the Good Humor Izzies opened fire, the Palestinians fired back clearly in violation of the Torah.
Yes indeed, Palestinian Plugging can sometimes be a dangerous sport, sort of like automobile racing and sometimes the driver gets killed. Then everyone can mourn and cry and glory in self-sacrifice and in general be a complete total sanctimonious asshole.
For example, in this case [israelnationalnews.com], the hunter ended up getting killed by his prey. We learn all about what a wonderful hunter he was, coming to Israel from that great bastion of virulent anti-Semitism known as Canada [wordpress.com] at the tender age of eight. But 10 years later he was a professional Palestinian Plugger. He even once tried (in vain) to save the life of a terrorist (terrorist is the Hebrew term for Palestinian) who had been shot by IDF hunters. He was a big hearted Palestinian plugger.
Cry me a river.
2. Now that the US economy has gone down the sewer and the banks, all owned by Islamofacists, have gotten about 12 trillion dollars, some of you out there in Mantiq land may be looking for jobs. Well, how about going to Israel to teach English? Judy Steiner wants you [haaretz.com].
There is always a shortage of English teachers and you have to ask, where are you going to find new ones? Dr. Judy Steiner, Chief Inspector for English Language Education in Israel told Haaretz.
Given the current financial problems in the United States, the Ministry of Education and the Jewish Agency hope to find more Anglos willing to consider an exciting future in teaching English to Israeli youth.
Just think of what a great challenge this would be. Hebrew only has two tenses, basically past and present. But English has trillions, so teaching the complex and subtle English tenses to semites can be difficult. Youll have to teach them all sorts of conditional clauses and how to use them properly in English. Examples:
If I had known he was a Palestinian, I would have thrown him off of the roof of the patrol car.
How about this real quote [thetruthseeker.co.uk]:
We have to make sure that no Palestinian individual remains under our occupation. If they (Palestinians) escape then it is good; but if anyone of them remains, then he should be exterminated.
Or this real quote [wordpress.com]:
"behind the Kotel we have a mosque. But when they pray even though they are in our holiest place, they face Mecca. Their back is to Jerusalem. So you can see from only one sign that it does not belong to them. They have nothing - no connection."
So are you up to the challenge? Your job will be to teach the Hebrew speaking children of Russian immigrants (many of them criminals) to Israel to speak English like Meir Kahane. Its going to be tough and you need to have the right qualifications.
Very often when there is a shortage, we put in people who are not completely qualified. But we dont take in anybody. Steiner said.
No, they do not just take anybody. It turns out that you have to be a Jew.
Imagine seeing an add in the Chronicle of Higher Education:
Seeking Professor of Middle Eastern History at (blah blah) University. Only Muslims may apply.
So, put on your Yarmulka and get that job. Then you can teach the kids to read the Geneva conventions.
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http://www.dailykos.com/story/2009/5/21/734169/-A-Deeply-Unfair-Cast-of-Mind [dailykos.com]
Thu May 21, 2009 at 08:22:20 PM PDT
May 21, 2009
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This is really, really fucking easy. In fact, it's so easy, I'm amazed I even have these conversations, because the facts are so obvious.
Does the American government care if people are denied freedom under fundamentalist interpretations of muslim law? If they did, why did they support the Taleban before 9/11? Why do they continue to support Saudi Arabia? Why aren't they lobbying for human rights in muslim countries in Africa?
Does the American government care if a leader is massacring his own people? If they
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If you believe Amnesty International's figures
WHY would you do that?
Amnesty International's numbers for civilian deaths in Iraq are an order of magnitude greater than all other estimates, were compiled by a person who was actively involved in trying to prevent any invasion, were deliberately released right before a US election in order to influence the results, and the raw data used to come up with the estimate still has not been released.
In other words, those estimates are about as biased as they could possibly be.
The bias in and of itself doesn't me
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I'm trying to think of when these 'numbers' would be mentioned by someone without an agenda.
Re:Massacre or fight for freedom (Score:4, Informative)
Ok, so he hung 200 people publicly a year. From 1991 to 2003 is 12 years so 2400 people.
Then add a conservative 5000 (Probably closer to 10000 since many of the injured died of complicationis) from the Halabja poison gas attack [wikipedia.org] and we're just getting started. That was just one part of the Al-Anfal Campaign [wikipedia.org] where he killed roughly 100,000. That's just violence against the Kurds which is the most well documented. And the hangings don't account for the shootings and killings post Gulf War when he quelled the Shiite Rebellion. Body count puts the Iraq war collateral damage total at about 100,000. [iraqbodycount.org] So in fact we haven't killed as many Iraqis as Saddam.
Motivations for war aside, the operation has been exceedingly poorly executed, and may be inexcusable. But lets not delude ourselves into thinking "Well, Saddam wasn't that bad". He was worse.
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There is a moral difference between the US killing 5000 civilians who get caught up in the crossfire between US troops and Iraqi insurgents and Saddam killing 50 people because they were "enemies of the state."
Meh, there's no point arguing with moral relativists on this one. Mainly, they just dislike the US, so they claim that live was all rainbows and rivers of chocolate under Saddam, and that everything bad in the Middle East is somehow our fault.
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I would no sooner believe them than I would a tramp on the street. AI and the US government are just two sides of the same coin.
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Wikipedia is your friend. They have a whole article about casualties of the American invasion and occupation [wikipedia.org], and some good stuff about the Iran-Iraq war, too, though it's not as well-documented for obvious reasons.
It looks like GP is correct - Bush's war has probably killed more Iraqis than Saddam's did.
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If you trust Wikipedia on controversial political matters, you're naive beyond belief. But just for fun, the Saddam launched Iran-Iraq war killed 1.3 million (using high estimates and adding both sides casualties just like the high counts do to the US in this conflict). That's twice the unbelievably high and already discredited Lancet figures. So believe Lancet or not but apples to apples please.
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Hang on there - why are you now adding Iranian casualties? We are talking about Iraqi casualties here. Most (by far) of the losses in the Iran-Iraq war were on the Iranian side.
Don't worry, as soon as the US attacks Iran, he will count all of them as the victims of Iranian violence.
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Which means absolutely nothing, just like the ludicrous notion that somehow the war to topple the Hussein regime was somehow about stopping him from killing Iraqis. It wasn't. It was about stopping him from killing any Iraqi he wanted to because he could, because he held power via terror.
The difference, in case you really are as naive as you act rather than just having an advanced case of BDS, is that the peo
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What is treason? Depends on where you are. I hope you are not a US citizen because you should not have to ask. The definition of treason is clearly spelled out in the US Constitution: Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying War against them, or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort
But is that really what it boils down to when you prevent more deaths through dissemination of state secrets?
I think you should look up 'dissemination'; it
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Without the Korean war, there might not even be a DPRK so some poor korean kid starving to death today can be laid on the Rosenberg's doorstep.
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Other than the oil. The war got the taps going again [businessweek.com], and they now provide about 2.5% of the world's consumption, though that
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The post war Saudi Arabia adjustments on liberty and modernization provoked by the Iraq war (the Kingdom's answer to the question "if the Iraqis can vote, why can't we") likely also preserves the KSA fields under a geopolitically reasonable regime. We've paid the piper already and are just starting to reap the benefits, if we don't sabotage the current success in a snit (like Congress' refusal to give air support and fund S. Vietnam's munitions needs in 1974-5).
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Ok you lost me there. Arming Joseph Stalin with WMD is "preventing" deaths?
Oh, right - I'm responding to a well-known troll account. Sorry, I usually pick up on this sort of thing. My bad.
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Nah, BadAnalogyGuy is parody.
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Treason is to act against your own countrymen in the service of another country. But is that really what it boils down to when you prevent more deaths through dissemination of state secrets? Is it really an offense worthy of death to act according to your own morality?
Ignoring the trolling bits that follow and applying your questions to the Rosenberg's case, I'd say that they are still responsible for future deaths that may not have occurred yet. If a rogue state uses a Russian warhead that was developed in part from information stolen by the Rosenbergs, I would think they're at least partly responsible since they were on the critical path of the device's design.
And you can't say that "Russia would have developed The Bomb anyway" because that didn't happen, and we do
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Dude - this wa
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There is also no evidence to suggest that by "sharing" the bomb with the Soviet Union that any deaths were prevented. The United States never killed again with an atomic bomb, and you can't say that's due to the USSR maintaining warhead parity. You might argue that the U.S. would have risen to become the single world-dominating order without an opponent to keep them in check, but it seems that was able to happen (briefly) even with the USSR having nuclear capabilities.
The American Hawks have urged for a nuclear attack on the USSR numerous times, and the only obvious reason why that hasn't happened was the USSR also had nukes. Next you are going to tell us that the A-bombs on Japan were needed to win the war and not a demonstration of power to the USSR.
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You don't even understand what treason is. Riddle me this, what other country would Aaron Burr have been serving were he convicted in his treason trial?
In case you didn't notice, nobody's going after the NY Times for disseminating state secrets. The only conviction lately seems to have been Scooter Libby's perjury conviction even though it was not Libby but Armitage that first blabbed about Plame.
Burr was in part acquitted because there were no two witnesses available to document his treason in court. We ha
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We are a democracy. We make our decisions collectively and/or have duly elected representatives subject to periodic elections make the decisions. What makes you think your or Rosenberg's morality in matters of public policy is greater than the wisdom of the democracy? Rosenburg had no right to endanger the ENTIRE population of the country by giving atomic secrets to Stalin. No one man has a right to substitute his opinion for
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s/country/world/g
Re:What is treason? (Score:4, Insightful)
Your question is absurd.
If I understand your first point, the superficial one is "if your action demonstratably saves more lives than it cost, is it really wrong?"
As far as the Iraq war, you seem so certain. I'd ask: in what scope? According to varied estimates, there are something like 500,000-1 million Iraqis that probably would have wished Saddam was ousted earlier. This grossly overshadows the (high) estimate of 100,000 Iraqi civilians slain as a result of the current war plus the (trivial, in a military sense) number military deaths.
Of course, the point you're making is about the Rosenbergs. How did them selling secrets to the Soviets "save lives"? One could argue that having the bomb, and feeling secure against any serious military opposition allowed Stalin and subsequent Soviet leaders to embark on their later actions without fear. One could thus logically lay ALL the deaths of the Cold War - all the internal Soviet purges (no real American analogue there, for you moral relativists, sorry) and all the brushfire proxy wars - at the feet of the Rosenbergs. So how many lives did their actions "save" again?
Your second is stated more clearly: "Is it really an offense worthy of death to act according to your own morality?"
I'm staggered by the naivete and simplistic egoism that would fuel this question. More accurately, one might ask what sort of a society one would create if everyone (not just you, remember) were allowed to act according to their own morality? Remember, not everyone has your set of life rules: there's the Austrian guy who imprisoned his own daughter for what, 30 years? meanwhile impregnating her several times. Can he act according to HIS morality? Is that fine? What about the fellow who feels its perfectly justifiable to take the goods of others, because he NEEDS them more to support a really strong drug addiction?
There are LOTS of moral compasses out there, and despite how simple it might look to some, it doesn't take a lot of life experience to see that they don't all point toward the same "north". To suggest that people should just be able to follow their own morality is tantamount to a Hobbesian state of nature "red in tooth and claw" where the strongest get to do what they want simply because they are the strongest or most brutal.
To explain it simply, a society is a collective of people who generally agree on a set of behavioral norms. If you violate those norms, you're subject to the punishment of the society as a whole. American society - a vocal minority aside - has settled on the idea that the worst offenders shall be killed. Like it or not. Fortunately, in modern western culture, one of the norms is that you can say "I don't agree with this set of values" and LEAVE, seeking something better.
The irony (in my view) is that most of the people in the US who complain about how they don't like this or that, tend not to understand that comparatively, they're going to have a hard time finding another society that has the combination of physical conveniences, economic opportunities, and political freedoms, so they end up just staying here and filling the internet with pointless whinging.
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How was the Second Iraq War/Operation Iraqi Freedom, a bad thing?
Do the Iraqi people now have a freely elected government? Yep. Is Saddam and his sons in power? Nope.
Explain how it was a "almost wholly bad war"?
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Hundreds of thousands of Iraqis are dead, possibly approaching a million depending on how you count the bodies and who you consider a casualty ; a coalition of hostile FOREIGNERS have effective control of the country ; much of the country's infrastructure is in a worse state than it was before GW2 (Gulf War 2 ; perhaps GWB for it's main proponent and "Gulf War B") ; and those fucking foreigners are STILL here, treating Iraqi citizens like sand
It was a queer, sultry summer (Score:4, Interesting)
It was a queer, sultry summer, the summer they electrocuted the Rosenbergs, and I didn't know what I was doing in New York.
Re:It was a queer, sultry summer (Score:4, Informative)
Parent is not off-topic.
It's a quote from Sylvia Plath's The Bell Jar [wikipedia.org].
This whole article is an advert for timeglider (Score:5, Insightful)
(using Timeglider â" a web-based, flash powered, software for creating timelines) ... The use of Timeglider makes understanding the complex nature of the case, and the newly available documentation more manageable."
Yes we get the picture
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http://www.simile-widgets.org/timeline/ [simile-widgets.org]
The Timeline sample project covers the Kennedy assassination, incidentally.
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True, especially when said Flash-based version fails to load any of the data with Swfdec on my Fedora 11 Linux box while the JavaScript version is light and responsive and probably a hell of a lot more accessible to boot.
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(using Timeglider â" a web-based, flash powered, software for creating timelines) ... The use of Timeglider makes understanding the complex nature of the case, and the newly available documentation more manageable."
Yes we get the picture
Actually, I don't get the picture. It wants me to install some new version of Flash to get the picture, and I don't want to.
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I got the same message ('you need to install a new version of Flash') when I visited. After telling NoScript to allow wilsoncenter.org, and then timeglider.com, I had access without the need to load another Flash reader.
I don't know what that site is doing to test for Flash on the browser, but I don't like its dishonesty.
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I don't know what that site is doing to test for Flash on the browser, but I don't like its dishonesty.
I'd agree with Bernard Ingham on this one - cockup before conspiracy every time:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hanlon's_razor [wikipedia.org]
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Yeah, its probably a matter of incompetence rather than evil intent, but I was trying to give them the benefit of the doubt. You can regard evil behavior as something separate from the person who uses it and then you can sometimes get them to mend their ways.
But there's not much you can do about incompetence, except hope that the person grows out of it. And unless the person is still a teenager, it is not realistic to entertain high hopes about that.
Seems a little strange to be more pessimistic than a c
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Ah, that did it, thank you. It didn't occur to me that it was displaying that warning as a result of JavaScript. And I have NoScript set up to permit base second level domains, but didn't think to enable timeglider.com.
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There's a guy in there named "Semen Semenov." January 13, 1966. I'm not even kidding.
He sounds like a slippery character to me. You know a real slimy type of guy.
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Perfect Example of Bad, Unnecessary Flash (Score:1, Insightful)
Timeglider, eh? (Score:5, Insightful)
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It's not just you. This timeglider thingie does an excellent job of confusing the user.
The Zoom-out feature is especially silly: When you zoom out to see an overview of the timeline, it hides all but one event, and creates the illusion that almost nothing happened. why it doesn't simply make the data smaller I have no idea.
Great way to get lost in data with no way to find yourself. Well done Timeglider folks!
This is a job for... (Score:5, Informative)
Consider the following far-more-useful timeline presentations...
http://newstimeline.googlelabs.com/ ...The shame of it all is that Timeglider fails to beat the above three technologies, and NONE of them use Flash.
http://simile.mit.edu/timeline/examples/religions/religions.html
http://www.timerime.com/
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http://www.timerime.com/ ...The shame of it all is that Timeglider fails to beat the above three technologies, and NONE of them use Flash.
eh, then why does that last one say
"You will need Flash Player 8 (or higher) to view this website."
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Now that I'm viewing it, it looks pretty straight-forward. I was kind of expecting a more two-dimensional approach, perhaps interconnected lines that would refocus me on a different path or view of the network. I could imagine having the main timeline change focus from primary topic to primary topic. Not that this isn't usable as is, but I was trying to follow my interests, rather than the interests of the article author. And I can see where the "autho
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I am a teacher (former geek) and I have struggling to find good timelining software for use by both me and my students...my needs are:
A. Must be free
B. Easy to add events
C. Exportable to a file
D. Multiple user support would be nice
Simile Timeline looks nice but is certainly not easy, and probably requires more skill to implement than I am capable of. Plus, I don't have a server to run it on. Timeglider are Timerime look fine as easy to use software, but are ultimately commercial services and I suspect will
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